Hello. I was just wondering, being that this is a psychology section, what are the known factors that cause this condition? I'm a college student, I recently came across news that a guy 2 years older than I is being tried for possessing pthc material. I read into the forums where most of these troubled people reside, its turns out most are under 18!!! I wondered what this hype was all about, downloaded Limewire and watched or tried to watch this crap. I was gagging, almost threw up! Also, why aren't authorities getting these people help. They aren't exactly going out and comitting these acts. Why not catch em' and rehabilitate them. This college student has a possible prison sentence of some 47 years! If we look back into history kings used to marry 14-15 year olds. I wonder why its shunned to this degree. Is there a change in societal norms?

I was shocked, but I saw videos of people being killed online on Ebaums world where I watch comedy. Is this shocking to an extent where people go to jail?

Eventhough I don't support this, isn't the punishment a bit too excessive?

14 - 15 is quite a bit different than pre-pubescent.
Pedophilia is sexual attraction to pre-pubescent children, not pubescent young adults that are viewed as "too young" in our current social structure.

Don't post the same thing in more than one forum, please. (http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=65866)

I've already addressed this issue here http://sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=56971 It wasn't prepu girls but still it's something, I am still proud many members were honest :)

The question is if you were a 14-15 year old boy, would you be attracted to a middle-aged or older woman pushing herself on you?(gross) Or would you be attracted to girls your own age?

Most are attracted to people their own age except for losers, golddiggers, perverts, pedophiliacs, narcissistic controlling types, mentally ill, and jerks.

Most are attracted to people their own age except for losers, golddiggers, perverts, pedophiliacs, narcissistic controlling types, mentally ill, and jerks.

Really?
Do you have any evidence to back that up, or us that just what you want to believe?

Really?
Do you have any evidence to back that up, or us that just what you want to believe?


Really, so you think a 14-15 year old having relations with someone twice or three times their age is okay? You think that it's fair and balanced? You think the teenager has enough wherewithal to not be exploited?

How many 14-15 year olds do you know that want to be screwed by older people?

I don't need any evidence, the evidence is too preponderous and if you weren't a pervert you could put yourself in their shoes. But then again, you might have been the type of skank who would enjoy your teacher stuffing thier meat down your throat, up your ass or an older woman corrupting you.

But to each it's own. With subjects such as this you can't argue with people because their desire comes before ethics. It's disgusting and so obvious. Just make sure the kid actually wants you and it's not under duress, threat, obligation, taking advantage of some innocence or fear of authority figures, molestation or rape.

Really, so you think a 14-15 year old having relations with someone twice or three times their age is okay? You think that it's fair and balanced? You think the teenager has enough wherewithal to not be exploited?

How many 14-15 year olds do you know that want to be screwed by older people?

I don't need any evidence, the evidence is too preponderous and if you weren't a pervert you could put yourself in their shoes. But then again, you might have been the type of skank who would enjoy your teacher stuffing thier meat down your throat, up your ass or an older woman corrupting you.

But to each it's own. With subjects such as this you can't argue with people because their desire comes before ethics. It's disgusting and so obvious. Just make sure the kid actually wants you and it's not under duress, threat, obligation, taking advantage of some innocence or fear of authority figures, molestation or rape.

Yeah.
That's what I thought.

In other countries to make kids play with adults (aka mate) they refer to things like kissing as yum yum, lmao

its amazing how all this stuff is available on Limewire and similar P2P sites, a simple search, and they are authentic. I just uninstalled the programs, can one sue the companies that share this material? I wouldn't wish upon anyone to find this. But I'm sure MANY have. I still support 18+ for anything. But can lawsuits result?

How many 14-15 year olds do you know that want to be screwed by older people?
Does the name Debra Lafave ring a bell to you?
I guarantee you that most 14/15 year old boys would nail an older woman (if she's attractive) in a second.

What is PTSC?

What is PTSC?

In what context?

Where did you read it? Somewhere in this thread? :bugeye:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Wyman
"Personal life

At age 47, Bill Wyman began a relationship with 13-year old Mandy Smith, with her mother's blessing. Six years later, they were married, but the marriage only lasted a year. Not long after, Bill's 30-year-old son Stephen almost married Mandy's mother, age 46. That nearly made Stephen a stepfather to his former stepmother. (If Bill and Mandy had remained married, Stephen would have been his father's father-in-law and his own step-grandfather!)"

Now that's ...fucked up.

If we look back into history kings used to marry 14-15 year olds. I wonder why its shunned to this degree. Is there a change in societal norms?

The life expectancy was also much lower during those times, the average person lived until they were 30 years of age.

in the original post it was stated that a lot of this material was owned by people onder 18. the line becomes incredibly blurred with teenagers, as most countries have a legal age of consent that is nower than 18. it is therefore legal for an 18 year old guy to have sex with a 16 year old girl. now at what stage does it become illegal? when they take a picture? when they share the pictuer with other people? if they sell the picture? what if the girl took pictures of herself? would you charge her?

as one raven said; paedophilia is an attraction to pre-pubescent children. not to young people who just happen to be below the age of consent.

Why not catch em' and rehabilitate them.
Catch them, yes; rehabilitate no. There is no cure.

I've already addressed this issue here http://sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=56971 It wasn't prepu girls but still it's something, I am still proud many members were honest :)

It's still legal in the state that I live in, to have sex with a 16 year old, but I have no idea why she would want to do that with me.

Pedophilia isn't actually illegal. Technically it's only the desire, not any particular depiction or act.

Most are attracted to people their own age except for losers, golddiggers, perverts, pedophiliacs, narcissistic controlling types, mentally ill, and jerks.
Men of all ages are attracted to physically fit females of childbearing age. Period. It's biology. Being attracted to post menopausal women serves no evolutionary purpose.

Women aren't so picky regarding age because the age of the man is unimportant. What's important is his ability to provide for her offspring (in other words, he needs to be rich).

Well, I think it is mostly genetic. We were talking about this with a hacker exposing some high up guy as a pedophile thread, and I decided that it had to be genetic. The disturbing statistic brought up is that 1/4 of our population has desires equally strong or stronger for prepubescent girls as adults. However, 1/4 fits the stereotypical recessive gene, so that seems plausible. My theory is that a pedophile helps protect kids by staying with them instead of a regular person protecting his full-grown mate. Thus when the saber tooth tiger attacks, someone will protect the kids, since the instinct is to protect the mate. THere is also the logic that having kids earlier is good in those days to increase birth rate since the life span is so short. So, in conclusion, I think pedophilia is a gene that used to serve a purpose but is now outdated and dangerous.

And yes, 47 years is very excessive. He is funding the exploitation of children, which is the basis of the law against pedoporn, but so are you when you buy something that was made in a sweatshop.

Very interesting discussion, especially that last comment about genes. Now that I think about it, it makes sense. So it seems the higher ups don't want mass population expansion? or is it mixed with religious tenets? I wanted to add something, with all the hormones injected into the food the majority eats, its no surprise that 14 year old girls are fully matured. Should they still be considered -18?

It seems to be that law is changing in that regard. I feel a change in societal norms coming on in relation to this topic.

Maybe a rule that would allow for parent's concent? And yes I agree with the statement that being rich is all that counts, thats a big no brainer, which I glad was brought up. But usually the rich people are the ones who have a great personality to match, than say a depressed poor person with no change in sight.

I for one would marry a virgin, I'm 19 btw. And that is VERY hard to find these days. I keep talking to girls who lost it at 16! Half of which with people my age. Its genetical I guess, my desire for a virgin (she's "childbearing"). But its not like they had children.

What are your opinions?

Also, why isn't the "legal" age closer to when the girl finishes puberty?



Pedo porn is really DISGUSTING! I mean I couldn't eat yesturday without wanting to puke!

But I do agree that it is genetic. Thats a valid argument.

Catch them, yes; rehabilitate no. There is no cure.

Are you sure about that?

I'm also starting to have feelings about pornography in general! If you ponder it, the actors are really parentless, uneducated people who need help. They make 200k a year with short careers and proness to disease. I don't want to gain pleasure from that! Going back to the point made earlier, you are funding the exploitation of 18 yearolds as well! Going into a wider point, the exploitation of all women.



Opinions?

Where do I even begin with you?

First, you keep reiterating how disgusting child porn is and how you have the urge to puke. While I have never actually seen any child porn, I would imagine that some 8 year old with his/her legs spread wouldn't affect me at all, except for being a little weird maybe.

question is...
Do you make a point of saying how much it disgusts you because you perhaps felt a little turned on and are actually redirecting that disgust for yourself to the child porn? Or is it genuine disgust? Hell, maybe my neutrality is just the perverted subconscious pretending to be normal!

I don't think there is anything wrong with girls who are not virgins. As long as she's not a skank, it's good for a girl to be comfortable with her sexuality.

Porn - nothing wrong with it. You use the term 'exploitation' loosely. Aren't all jobs exploitation after all?

Good argument. Yea, I don't know but I watched that movie "lolita" and kept reading those articles about pedophilia and the punishment. The general scene captivated me to find out what was so special about it. I thought it was pictures of young girls. When I saw what I saw, it affected me ALOT. I just understood that the porn scene isn't right period. I had an attraction for 16+ girls. Anything below that I would puke. But I was curious what it was exactly. Now I know, and I'm left disgusted, not only at the content, but also at the availability of it to the masses. I mean it pops up even if you're looking for something completely different in the search results.

But I'm left wondering what the parents were thinking? Did the parents have an even hand at exposing their child? Is there a different culture where they are from?


About the exploitation. A girl who was abused at a young age, and not cared for, has no choice in the future but to offer the only asset she has. The opposite goes for a girl who wasn't under the same condition. She would go to college get a degree (well you get the idea). Its a different type of exploitation one predicated on choice. But you live you learn.

Sorry if this topic is overly controversial, I like to take up these topics, they are very interesting to discuss, you learn more from discussion of controversial topics like War in Iraq, abortion and etc, than you would from bland topics like your daily school shooting.

(in other words, he needs to be rich).

I'm doooooooooooooomeeed!

Exploitation of children in general is very pervasive and very harsh. Discriminating against one form of exploitation makes it look like the authorities are addressing exploitation in general, but even jailing pedophiles is a way to exploit children.

People who hate for teenagers to have sex are, in my experience, unbelievably cruel. I identify this hatred of teenage sexuality with someone who beats children with her fists. She also imposes a reality upon her children that is made up of hostility, fear, and an extreme lack of the ability to act and build a life in an intelligent manner. Since sex is the natural expression of life it does make sense that someone who is addicted to violence and fear will attack sex with everything that she has.

Those who want to keep us away from sex exploit children without mercy and they do that to everyone else. They say don't look at them when looking for exploiters, look at the people who are having sex. But the people who are having sex just have sex and try to touch each other in ways that please. The real exploiters generate billions of dollars in income for some really nasty schemes.

Well, this really took off since my post.It seems to be that law is changing in that regard. I feel a change in societal norms coming on in relation to this topic. Maybe a rule that would allow for parent's concent? I agree. I think that 16 is the most reasonable sounding age of consent. I am not sure I'd personally agree with lowering it though. 16 year olds are more easy to manipulate. However love is love, and arresting someone for a non-manipulative relatinship with a 16 year old is also wrong. I can go both ways on that law. The only middle grounds I see at the moment involve monitering relationships, such as the parent's consent rule, (who would give their 16 year old daughter consent to have sex?) which is also wrong. If we could just like make all 16 year olds smarter or something...I for one would marry a virgin, I'm 19 btw. And that is VERY hard to find these days. I keep talking to girls who lost it at 16! Virgins get made fun of in high school, and hormones are running high. That's why. I got mocked a lot. I wasn't as manly. In retrospect though, I'm glad I didn't. Getting sex early on makes skanks and whatever the word for men who demean themselves for sex is. Sometimes anyways, not always. I don't necessairily need a virgin, but I don't want a person that has sex often enough for it to be a typical activity either. Good argument. Yea, I don't know but I watched that movie "lolita" Read the book. It's great. About the exploitation. A girl who was abused at a young age, and not cared for, has no choice in the future but to offer the only asset she has. The opposite goes for a girl who wasn't under the same condition. She would go to college get a degree (well you get the idea). Its a different type of exploitation one predicated on choice. But you live you learn. I would disagree. There are plenty of abused children in college and plenty of non-abused ones on the street. Exploitation of children in general is very pervasive and very harsh. Discriminating against one form of exploitation makes it look like the authorities are addressing exploitation in general, but even jailing pedophiles is a way to exploit children. Sorry, but I do not follow you. Is jailing pedophiles exploiting children because you are taking away their sex? I completly fail to follow you on your entire post. could you make it more clear what exactly you are saying?

I would disagree. There are plenty of abused children in college and plenty of non-abused ones on the street.

I disagree as well. Unless they were cured ofcourse, that implies therapy, that implies money. So abused and poor I guess would be the correct way to phrase it.

Lets just say, if I have a daughter I wouldn't want her to be in porn. I think of it that way. I used to be a little unrealistic. But I guess I matured. I'd much rather suffer through not having porn and get a true relationship going, which is very hard for any full-time student. :( But thats life.

14 - 15 is quite a bit different than pre-pubescent.
Pedophilia is sexual attraction to pre-pubescent children, not pubescent young adults that are viewed as "too young" in our current social structure.

Absolutely correct.

The above is known as hebephilia. Nature doesn't think there's anything wrong with that...

If you gauge the potential quality of the sexual experience on the tightness and general health of your partner's genetalia (which makes excellent biological sense) then sex acts with teenagers appears to be your best option.

I'm sure someone has mentioned previously that relationships between older (wiser) men and teenage boys was not only accepted, but idealized in ancient Greek culture.

They didn't have bath houses for nothing.

The morality of these kinds of acts depends on how you structure your society. Christianity values the family unit, so sex with youth is bad for your family, i.e. it's a bad idea, as is sex with a non-married partner.

But that's sexually mature people.

The physical logistics of performing sex on a human being whose genetalia is not developed, i.e. significantly smaller than yours, is by nature brutal and unethical. Even from a simple evolutionary standpoint, societies which allow the behavior would see a lower survival rate due to genital and rectal injuries inflicted on the young.

The physical logistics of performing sex on a human being whose genetalia is not developed, i.e. significantly smaller than yours, is by nature brutal and unethical. Even from a simple evolutionary standpoint, societies which allow the behavior would see a lower survival rate due to genital and rectal injuries inflicted on the young.

You hit it on the head. Exactly what I think. But there must be a macro reason for the U.S. limit of 18. Population expansion limiter?

Another thing that's fucked up - if I have sex with a woman, an adult woman roughly 30, she can claim I raped her and what are the chances I'll be convicted? Labeled a sexual deviant?

That's pretty likely, and all she has to do is say "I said no," even if it's bullshit.

But if I'm 19 and I fuck my 17 year-old girlfriend, she can say yes all she wants and it's still rape...

How do we draw that boundary? How do we regulate sex?

Sometimes a wife doesn't want sex. I'll call it the "All right, but hurry up" response.

Is that rape?

What if I beat her, smash her face in, subject her to some kind of abuse cycle in which she blames herself? Then I fuck her. That's not rape because she will say it's not rape, but it is rape.

That's such a grey area that people don't like to define.

What if I'm 16 and my 40 year-old teacher is gorgeous?

That's rape.

Okay?

What if I'm 16 and my 40 year-old teacher is gorgeous?

That's rape.

Okay?


That's not rape: that's being damn lucky. I wish I had these kinds of opportunities when I was younger, so speak for yourself kiddo.

I agree, the founding fathers pushed the idea of seperation of religion from gov't. So far I see religion governing sex, not science. When will we cross that border and become more realistic. But what are your opinions about WHY the legal age is 18. Please try to take out the explitives and rationalize.

I agree, the founding fathers pushed the idea of seperation of religion from gov't. So far I see religion governing sex, not science. When will we cross that border and become more realistic. But what are your opinions about WHY the legal age is 18. Please try to take out the explitives and rationalize.

Well, I can think of 4 reasons. 1. Birth rate. We don't want to overpopulate, do we? 2. 16 year olds with babies=high school dropout. (more often then not. 3. 16 year olds are easier to manipulate into an abusive relationship. 4. prevent STDs from passing down as easily.

I'm not saying that I agree wholeheartedly with the law, I mean, who knows, mabye the love of your life is a 16 year old. I'm just playing devils advocate with myself.