From the bbc,
Horizon
Episode Parallel Universes

http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/horizon/2001/pics/parallelunibubble.jpg

Now imagine what might happen if two such bubble universes touched. Neil Turok from Cambridge, Burt Ovrut from the University of Pennsylvania and Paul Steinhardt from Princeton believe that has happened. The result? A very big bang indeed and a new universe was born - our Universe. The idea has shocked the scientific community; it turns the conventional Big Bang theory on its head. It may well be that the Big Bang wasn't really the beginning of everything after all. Time and space all existed before it. In fact Big Bangs may happen all the time.

For complete article:
*here* (http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/horizon/2001/paralleluni.shtml/)

I wish they wouldn't say "Scientists beileve [insert crackpot theory here]". The many mutliple universes theories are still whacky stories with no evidence. The people who come up with these ideas can explain currently unexplained phenomena in their whacky theories and provide no evidence and they get these TV people spendning money on telling people about it. Silly.

PS: No, I don't like the idea. :p

While not one of those "This is fact" things, I had hoped it might draw some fire or discussion...

Sorry. But these theories pop up every week, and not one of them has produced any evidence. I'm starting to get the idea that they come up with this stuff just to justify the money the universities spend on their research grants.

On the other hand... It amazes me when they say "There are all these other dimensions and universes, which exist as other dimensions, and you know where they are? A millimetre away." Describing XYZ things as being non-XYZ yet saying they are +1X away?

Of course I can't say it's untrue. But not even the people who come up with this stuff should say it's even plausible until they can provide some form of evidence. They definitely shouldn't call it science.

Photons can create whole new Universes. That's the idea of Schoedinger's Cat (written like that...?)...

Love,
Nelson

Photons can create whole new Universes. That's the idea of Schoedinger's Cat (written like that...?)

LOL ! You are one mixed up puppy !

Do you actually formulate any thought before spouting nonsense or do you think up the nonsense first and then write it down?

I write down what I read in books and magazines...

Wet1,
do you remember the thread of Tristan,where he had come with his own theory of universe?that was the time,i did some research on the whole stuff.i thought of the same conclusion in the end,but was a little wary of it...


bye!

The notion of a big bang that somehow created its own time and space always seemed a little amiss to me. Whether ours was the first universe or just one of many, the fact remains that there likely had to be a first somewhere. If there was no such thing as "space" then what did it expand into? Is "nothingness" inpenatrable? That was the question the pre-Plato Atomists asked and it's still a haunting one for me.

It's fun stuff to think about now and then but there are better ways to spend our waking moments usually....

One of the other insane philophical notions was, "How many angels can dance on the head of a pin."

I am not going to drag religon into the thread but use it for an example of ancient thoughts that do not have a lot of bearing on today's life.

Bill Seper,

Welcome to sciforums! :)

Is "nothingness" inpenatrable? That was the question the pre-Plato Atomists asked and it's still a haunting one for me.
What do you mean by inpenatrable...?

Nothingness and Infinitness are One. ;)

Love,
Nelson

Truth Seeker
You happened to pick one of my favourite subjects thanks to a man sometime ago and a chance meeting.

Schrödinger's Cat Experiment.

Firstly the point to the experimental theory, it was a mixture of explaining atomic decay and PSi waveformations for which Schröedinger believed existed. At the time though, he suffered from alot of people saying how prepostrous the Psi-wave was, as it didn't fit with their understanding of modern quantum physics.

(IT was percieved too classical)
At the time they couldn't prove it existed.

So Schröedinger developed many ways of explaining what he was trying to put across as theoretical experiments.
The main theoetical experiment documented, being his cat experiment.

In the experiment an experimenter would take a CAT and place it into an already prepared box. Within the box would be a sealed vial of gas, a hammer with a string attached from it to a geiger counter. The attached hammer was rigged in such a way that the while the geiger counter was moving the hammer would be suspended over the vial of gas, but if the geiger counter was too stop, the hammer would fall breaking the vial and realising the gas into the box.

One last element to this box was an radioactive atom, that was placed next to the geiger counter. The idea was that while this atom was producing enough radiation for the gieger counter to move the cat would be alive in the box, but the atom would eventually decay to not producing radiation which would cause the hammer to fall killing the cat. The thing was that radiation decay isn't constant, it fluctates, so at times the geiger would be percievably not reacting because the atom had fuly decayed, while the rest of the time it was still decaying.

This left the cat in the balance of being alive and dead at the same time. (As at some point the needle on the geiger would stop at 0 killing the cat. Since the majority of the time the atom was still emmitting radiation this kept the cat alive.)

This would only be the case while the cat was in that box.

The point here was that the cat was acting in it's zombiefied state like a Multiverse, existing in multipositions, and there would be existant parallels created where a dead cat would exist in one and alive one in the others. A parallel would have to exist because of the difference.

The above is as near as exact to the original experiment asI could work out, although the version that got me thinking was one that the man I spoke of told me about. In his (meaning the version he mentioned) a cat had a capsule sewn to it's limb, and in the capsule was a poison. It was then placed in a box by the experimenter and then bombarded by frequency from the outside. The idea being that eventually the frequency would break the capsule down on an atomic scale.

This is probably a more practical version for use than theory, since you don't need to pick up some plutonium ore.


To continue Schrödinger's cat Further, There was also another man called Eugene Wigner, that like the experiment so much, he created a version that would utilise a HUMAN. This was to be known as WIGNERS FRIEND.

In truth its use was to explorer what the cat would see. Afterall the cat is forced into a multiversal state, it exists on multiple plains.
(Although it's used to scare students, as you never know when you might be pulling a dead student out of the room. That's a joke by the way, so don't think I'm killing students off :D)

Annex:

For those of you that would like to know what the cat would go through, people have always mention wave form collapses, but they neglect to mention Quanta spikes. As a multiworlds state the cat exist , but if there are parallels with changes that are different from each other, then the cat is going to sense changes from both worlds, that can actually increase the quanta level for the cat when looked at universally.

These quanta spikes would cause distortions that would be like an upset stomach since. The less quantum entangled states (liquids and gases) would suffer the most climatic changes.
(This can even be put forwards to help explain chaos in weather patterns, and add to the old saying of "Lightening never strikes the same place twice").

As for actual wave collapses, the quanta I mention tries to move to one parallel or another due to Universal weight. If the assistant isn't kept alive on as many parallels as possible, then the quanta spikes don't exist, because of the assistant suffering a parallel collapse. (They flatline on one parallel to converge their energy to the other).

[Above thanks too:

"In Search of Schroedingers Cat" Book by John Gribbon,
"Quantum Theory for Beginners" Book by J.P. McEvoy & Oscar Zarate,
The man and collegues from an undisclosed Cambridge (UK) company.]

Thanks for the information Stryderunknown :)

Love,
Nelson

The Cat in the Bag.:p

http://www.phobe.com/s_cat/s_cat.html

And what Schrodinger was on about.

TruthSeeker

The lie is also within you. Tashlan?

zion,

Yes I do remember the thead. It stayed on the board for a bit of time and generated a nice bit of viewing.

Bill Seper,

A belated welcome to sciforums. I seem of late to miss more than I catch in the welcomes.

Bill Seper,

Tashlan?

?????

Love,
Nelson

Tashlan is from one of the all-time great children's series of books, "The Chronicles of Narnia". Tashlan comes up in the final book of the series, "The Last Battle". C. S. Lewis knew a thing or two about a wolf in the land of sheep, no matter what world they may pop up in. I may have an experience or two in that regard myself but I've said enough.

I only had one question to ask and I asked it in a previous thread. Time is in short supply around here.

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