Pakistanis Want Larger Role for Both Islam and Democracy

http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/home_page/440.php?lb=hmpg1&pnt=440&nid=&id

Interesting. Unfortunately some of the most corrupt, US supported leaders, have been elected. Come on Pakis, kick them out!

 

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How did they figure that out? What, do Pakistanis read Sciforums boards now?

 

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Pakistan needs a revolution. With the way things are going, it seems inevitable. I can only pray the right people come out on top.

 

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Do the right people rarely come out on top.

 

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Honstly, nobody cares about what people think in a small forum on the internet somewhere. The Pakistanis, along with a host of other countries, Muslim and Christian and other religions, do not trust the US because of its foreign policies which dictate their domestic policies. But the interesting thing from that survey was that the people who did not want Sharia Law did not want Democracy either whereas those who wanted Sharia Law wanted Democracy. Clearly Muslims dont see them as incompatible.

 

Pakistan needs to get rid of the Jemaa Islami and this whole bullshit started by Maududi. It needs to reverse the decisions it took against the Ahmadis which started Pakistan on this decline towards destruction.

 

Which people would that be?

 

We wish them luck.

Apparently they don't see what they have now as democracy either, which is interesting after all the recent attention to the elections.

So what general sorts of sharia law are they talking about, here - seeing as how they vary, probably from group to group within Pakistan itself ? Local base, kind of like States' Rights in the US ?

 

Its clear they disapprove of Talibanism so thats not what they want. But the fact of the matter is that Muslims themselves dont see any incomaptibility between Sharia and Democracy. Believe it or not Sharia is a combination between Democracy, Socialism and many other types of rule. Muslims know that. Unfortunately, the US and other countries continue to support bullies and dictators like the house of saud which violently puts down any attempt to bring Sharia law as stated in the Quran. They let dogs in the Great Mosque ffs! Theyd rather have the version they invented so they can stay in power.

 

We need more collaboration between these guys and these guys.

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And also, people like this and this.

 

I'm not sure Pakistan really has what it takes. Maybe, but I don't think so. The country is full of poor, superstitious illiterate people prone towards violence. Pakistan people migrate to other countries, where they have every opportunity in the world, and many form ghettos remain poor, superstitious, poorly educated and prone towards violence.

Then we have India. Also full of poor, superstitious illiterate people - but I don't view Indian people as being prone to violence. They come to Western and Eastern countries work hard, make the most of the opportunities available, are educated and prone to becoming successful.

It's like two side of the same coin.

My official advice - IF you should have to see a physician in AU and you are given the opportunity to see either an Indian trained MD or an AU trained MD - SEE THE INDIAN. That advice might just save you arse. I've work with Indian MDs at Uni and for most of the time (not all but 80%) they have as much general knowledge as AU specialist. It's really amazing. Walking wikipedias. Very professional too.

RE: Pakistan, Maybe Democracy isn't the best solution for Pakistan? Perhaps a fundamental Islamic Republic run under Shia Law with an King and Ayatollah would better suite them? I'm coming around to the idea that people have the governments that they desire and have them for a reason.

Democracy just isn't for everyone,
Just my opinion,
Michael

 

I think youre mistaken about the literacy levels. While people are poor, there is still a high level of literacy.

Youre also mistaken about Pakistanis being prone to violence. I would like to know where you base that on btw

 

Try doing your homework. One in three males and two in three females are illiterate in Pakistan.

You must have conveniently forgotten about this:

"Three people, including a young boy, were killed as tens of thousands demonstrated in Pakistani cities on Wednesday, the third consecutive day of violent demonstrations in the country against cartoons depicting the Prophet Muhammad."

http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2006/02/15/cartoons-pakistan-violence.html

 

Having family there I know some stuff you dont.

Wow, tens of thousands of people demonstrating and 3 people dying. How many died from bingedrinking or drinking related events in the UK when that was happening

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So what?

Violence over a cartoon from the religion of peace.

 

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Demonstrations took place worldwide. Not a lot of violence happened. In the areas where it did happen it was a small group of people doing the actual violent acts. The so called "rent-a-mobs". Most people were just holding up signs and shouting, as is normal in demonstrations.

 

You can deny all you want and create fabrications. The facts speak for themselves.

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How many violent acts took place by how many demonstrators in the worldwide demonstrations? How many people were killed or violent acts committed not related to the cartoons at that time in the world? Im asking you so I dont have to create fabrications...

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Does that ease your guilt or help you to justify the violence your religion promotes?