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OilIsMastery
06-30-08, 01:54 AM
http://frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=69FE5954-49C7-4E60-B8A9-DF2FD143C6B1

FP: Mr. Pacepa, you had direct knowledge of the KGB’s ties to Oswald and you also have had access to newly disclosed KGB documents. Tell us a bit about your own personal expertise in terms of this subject and the recently declassified evidence you have seen. Then kindly share with us the conclusions you have arrived at.

Pacepa: Moscow, of course, admitted nothing to us, the leaders of the Soviets’ surrogate intelligence services, about any involvement in the Kennedy assassination. The Kremlin knew that any indiscretion could start World War III. But for 15 years of my other life at the top of the Soviet bloc intelligence community, I was involved in a world-wide disinformation effort aimed at diverting attention away from the KGB’s involvement with Lee Harvey Oswald, the American Marine who had defected to Moscow, returned to the U.S., and killed President Kennedy.

We launched rumors, published articles and even produced books insinuating that the culprits were in the U.S., not in the Soviet Union. Our ultimate “proof” was a note addressed to “Mr. Hunt,” dated November 8, 1963 and signed by Oswald, copies of which turned up in the U.S. in 1975. We knew the note was faked, but American graphological experts certified that it was genuine, and conspiracy theorists connected it to the CIA’s E. Howard Hunt, by then well known from the Watergate affair, and used it to “prove” that the CIA was implicated in the Kennedy assassination.

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MzY4NWU2ZjY3YWYxMDllNWQ5MjQ3ZGJmMzg3MmQyNjQ=

Vladimir Putin appears to be only the latest in the long line of Russian tsars who have upheld the tradition of assassinating anyone who stood in their way. The practice goes back at least as far as the XIVth century’s Ivan the Terrible, who killed thousands of boyars and other people, including Metropolitan Philip and Prince Alexander Gorbatyl-Shuisky for having refused to swear an oath of allegiance to his eldest son, an infant at the time. Peter the Great unleashed his political police against everybody who spoke out against him, from his own wife, to drunks who told jokes about his rule; he even had the political police lure his own son and heir, the tsarevich Aleksey, back to Russia from abroad and torture him to death.

Under Communism, arbitrary assassinations became a state policy. In an August 11, 1918, handwritten order demanding that at least 100 kulaks be hanged in the town of Penza to set an example, Lenin wrote: “Hang (hang without fail, so the people see) no fewer than one hundred known kulaks, rich men, bloodsuckers ... Do it in such a way that people for hundreds of [kilometers] around will see, tremble, know and scream out: they are choking and strangling to death these bloodsucking kulaks.” (This letter was part of an exhibit entitled “Revelations from the Russian Archives,” which was displayed at the Library of Congress, Washington, D.C., in 1992)

During Stalin’s purges alone, some nine million people lost their lives. Out of the seven members of Lenin’s Politburo at the time of the October Revolution, only Stalin was still alive when the massacre was over.

What I have always found even more disturbing than the brutality with which those crimes were carried out is the Soviet leaders’ deep involvement in them. Stalin personally ordered that Leon Trotsky, the co-founder of the Soviet Union, be assassinated in Mexico. And Stalin himself handed the Order of Lenin to the Spanish Communist Caridad Mercader del Rio, whose son, the Soviet intelligence officer Ramón Mercader, had killed Trotsky in August 1940 by bashing in his head with an ice axe. Similarly, Khrushchev with his own hands pinned the highest Soviet medal on the jacket of Bogdan Stashinsky, a KGB officer who in 1962 had killed two leading anti-Communist émigrés in West Germany.

draqon
06-30-08, 02:01 AM
lol first you make an article claiming AlQuida is a puppet of Kremlin and now that Kennedy was shot by the Russians...whats with the grown hostility?

OilIsMastery
06-30-08, 02:03 AM
No hostility. I discovered on Wikipedia that the thought police there are afraid of Pacepa and afraid of the truth. Pacepa is truth.

draqon
06-30-08, 02:17 AM
No hostility. I discovered on Wikipedia that the thought police there are afraid of Pacepa and afraid of the truth. Pacepa is truth.

yeah great, the WIKIPEDIA...the ultimate truth serum, obviously everything people write in it is no way politically motivated.

OilIsMastery
06-30-08, 02:27 AM
yeah great, the WIKIPEDIA...the ultimate truth serum, obviously everything people write in it is no way politically motivated.
Of course Wiki's fear of Pacepa is politically motivated.

Their political censorship is how I knew the guy is too much truth for people to handle.

Asguard
06-30-08, 02:34 AM
does anyone wonder if sandy and fox mulder had a love child?:p

Buffalo Roam
06-30-08, 09:10 AM
does anyone wonder if sandy and fox mulder had a love child?:p

Yes, his name is draqon.

iceaura
06-30-08, 01:21 PM
lol first you make an article claiming AlQuida is a puppet of Kremlin and now that Kennedy was shot by the Russians...whats with the grown hostility? I predict more such.

McCain's anti-Communist bona fides are a lot safer under scrutiny than his anti-Terrorism efforts.

And taxing oil company profits to pay for reducing oil dependence wouldn't be an obvious move in combating the Russians.

spidergoat
06-30-08, 01:39 PM
A little late on the story, aren't you? We already know it was the mafia, not the KGB.

John99
06-30-08, 02:08 PM
The American Mafia never knowingly killed any government officials before, not even law enforcement. Edit: maybe in a shootout but i would needs links to verify. Pretty sure that is a fact, so why would they have started with a President?

cosmictraveler
06-30-08, 02:09 PM
The American Mafia never killed any government officials before, not even law enforcement. Pretty sure that is a fact, so why would they have started with a President?

Where oh where do you get your facts from?:shrug:

Can you prove your statement or again more conjecture?

John99
06-30-08, 02:15 PM
Where oh where do you get your facts from?:shrug:

Can you prove your statement or again more conjecture?

What do you mean more conjecture?

The notion that the mafia killed kennedy is laughable. They would never bring that kind of heat on them and the government never even seriously considered the mafia. Most of the time, throuout history of organised crime, you even kill law enforcement and you write your own death sentence with the mafia.

TBH, I dont agree with this story and think LHO acted alone.

spidergoat
06-30-08, 02:17 PM
The American Mafia never knowingly killed any government officials before, not even law enforcement. Edit: maybe in a shootout but i would needs links to verify. Pretty sure that is a fact, so why would they have started with a President?

Robert Kennedy was the Attorney General and was prosecuting Sam Giancana, a Chicago gangster. The mafia was already involved in a plot to assassinate Castro, so it's not that farfetched.

http://www.ultimatesacrificethebook.com/

John99
06-30-08, 02:23 PM
I know all about that Spider but it is very far fetched. The code was never to kill government officials, no matter what. Really the main reason was not to bring the full force and elimination of the organisation.

Sam Giancanna would have went to prison and they would have rode out any heat by the Kennedy's. I know this much, if they did it and there was proof then the Mafia would have been finished in about a month. Of course that never happened.

iceaura
06-30-08, 03:05 PM
TBH, I dont agree with this story and think LHO acted alone. And Jack Ruby - he act alone too ?

JDawg
06-30-08, 03:43 PM
The American Mafia never knowingly killed any government officials before, not even law enforcement. Edit: maybe in a shootout but i would needs links to verify. Pretty sure that is a fact, so why would they have started with a President?

Whaaaaaaaat? What the fuck brand of crack are you smoking, homie? Cops got plugged every day back in the 20s! WOW!


The notion that the mafia killed kennedy is laughable. They would never bring that kind of heat on them and the government never even seriously considered the mafia. Most of the time, throuout history of organised crime, you even kill law enforcement and you write your own death sentence with the mafia.

You connected, pal? Didn't think so. It's gone down plenty of times where a cop takes the fall.

And the premise of the mob killing Kennedy was that they were just the trigger, not the brains. Follow?

spidergoat
06-30-08, 04:02 PM
I know all about that Spider but it is very far fetched. The code was never to kill government officials, no matter what. Really the main reason was not to bring the full force and elimination of the organisation.

Sam Giancanna would have went to prison and they would have rode out any heat by the Kennedy's. I know this much, if they did it and there was proof then the Mafia would have been finished in about a month. Of course that never happened.

There is no code among gangsters, that's some kind of romantic myth.

John99
06-30-08, 04:05 PM
Whaaaaaaaat? What the fuck brand of crack are you smoking, homie? Cops got plugged every day back in the 20s! WOW!



You connected, pal? Didn't think so. It's gone down plenty of times where a cop takes the fall.

And the premise of the mob killing Kennedy was that they were just the trigger, not the brains. Follow?

Relax, i made a mistake. I was thinking of James Earl Ray. Not sure how that happened.

There is no code among gangsters, that's some kind of romantic myth.

Yes that is the code.;)

and dont trust no onw who aint in the family. Simple as that.

JDawg
06-30-08, 04:46 PM
Relax, i made a mistake. I was thinking of James Earl Ray. Not sure how that happened.

Doesn't excuse you saying the mafia has never killed a cop before.

draqon
06-30-08, 07:24 PM
reminds me of McCarhyism days...

http://www.conservapedia.com/images/thumb/7/79/Mcc2.JPG/285px-Mcc2.JPG

Asguard
06-30-08, 08:32 PM
Yes, his name is draqon.

Actually i was thinking oilmastery not draqon:p

Sandy's right wing beliefs with fox mulders paranoia

Actually im inpressed that anyone understood that, i thought that james MIGHT rember fox but no one else would, i take my hat off to you (well if i HAD a hat:p)

John99
07-01-08, 09:23 AM
Doesn't excuse you saying the mafia has never killed a cop before.

The problem is i never said that. :)

River Ape
07-03-08, 03:02 PM
Mafia? Mafia? There was no such thing as the mafia. There was semi-organised crime, but it was never embodied within a coherent entity. The idea of the mafia was invented by J Edgar Hoover to create a fictitious enemy for the FBI, and promoted by Hollywood because insofar as the criminal networks ever were knitted together it was not by Italians but by Jews -- the same as most criminal endeavours today and throughout the ages.

Al Capone, as is now well known, was the front man for Jake Guzik -- the real brains and organiser behind the rackets in Chicago. In Detroit's eastside, the Jewish Purple Gang accounted for far more murders than ever happened in Chicago. New York's infamous John Gotti Jr was Jewish (i.e. he had a Jewish mother). See Albert Fried's "The Rise and Fall of the Jewish Gangster in America" or Robert Rockaway's "But He was Good to His Mother: The Lives and Crimes of Jewish Gangsters" for ever so much more.

During the time when the Kennedy family were making their money by bootlegging Canadian whisky they were run by the Bronfmans. So did the Kennedys remain the well-rewarded runners for Jewish interests? If you think Jack Rubenstein (Ruby) was part of the assassination plot, then maybe JFK had fallen out with the guys who reckoned they ran him.

Orleander
07-04-08, 09:40 PM
what?! The Kremlin killed Kennedy. Isn't the Kremlin a building?

spidergoat
07-04-08, 10:12 PM
Mafia? Mafia? There was no such thing as the mafia. There was semi-organised crime, but it was never embodied within a coherent entity. The idea of the mafia was invented by J Edgar Hoover to create a fictitious enemy for the FBI, and promoted by Hollywood because insofar as the criminal networks ever were knitted together it was not by Italians but by Jews -- .

That's nonsense. Hoover ignored the Mafia until they got into drug running, and when key mafia leaders were discovered conferencing by New York State cops.

River Ape
07-05-08, 05:40 AM
That's nonsense. Hoover ignored the Mafia until they got into drug running, and when key mafia leaders were discovered conferencing by New York State cops.
They probably thought they were just leaders of rival gangs of hoodlums parleying.
Come on! they probably didn't know they were "mafia" until they started watching Hollywood movies!
You'll start believing the West had some semblance to the cowboy movies next!

Ganymede
07-14-08, 04:21 AM
yeah great, the WIKIPEDIA...the ultimate truth serum, obviously everything people write in it is no way politically motivated.

I knew it was the Russians all along;) Damn you Dragon!

OilIsMastery
07-14-08, 08:10 AM
WIKIPEDIA...the ultimate truth serum, obviously everything people write in it is no way politically motivated.
Wikipedia is edited by morons.

synthesizer-patel
07-14-08, 12:32 PM
Wikipedia is edited by morons.

the word we are looking for here is "busted!"

quess who said this:


I've been editing Wikipedia under the name Wikkidd


here's a clue:

http://oilismastery.blogspot.com/2008/06/to-anaconda-since-youre-only-one.html

to be honest OIM we all knew you were a moron - but for you to finally admit it both to us and to yourself clearly shows that the therapy and medication is having an effect.

OilIsMastery
07-14-08, 03:15 PM
the word we are looking for here is "busted!"

quess who said this:



here's a clue:

http://oilismastery.blogspot.com/2008/06/to-anaconda-since-youre-only-one.html

to be honest OIM we all knew you were a moron - but for you to finally admit it both to us and to yourself clearly shows that the therapy and medication is having an effect.
All of my edits were removed by you and your Neo-Nazi vitalist cult members. If I was a biogenic theorist I would be afraid of links to the National Academy of Sciences (http://www.pnas.org/content/99/17/10976.full?maxtoshow=&HITS=10&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=&fulltext=genesis+of+hydrocarbons+and+the+origin+of +petroleum&searchid=1085470440708_510&stored_search=&FIRSTINDEX=0) and the American Association of Petroleum Geologists (http://aapg.confex.com/aapg/2007int/techprogram/A112905.htm) as well.

synthesizer-patel
07-14-08, 03:32 PM
All of my edits were removed by you and your Neo-Nazi vitalist cult members.

:crazy:

ok - so the medication and the therapy hasn't been completely succesful yet - speak to your doctor about increasing the dosage and maybe having a few extra therapy sessions a month.

OilIsMastery
07-14-08, 03:41 PM
No seriously. As a vitalist/biogenic cultist, censorship is your best option. You're doing the right thing. If I was afraid of the National Academy of Sciences and AAPG because I subscribed to a medieval fringe theory I would behave exactly as you do.