Our Thought Process

Discussion in 'Human Science' started by Jocariah, Jun 13, 2003.

  1. Jocariah Registered Senior Member

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    Our thought process, that process by which we think, can limit our understanding of the world in which we find ourselves. We bring our belief systems, right or wrong, in its entirety with us as we look at whatever it is we are looking at – thereby do we judge that which we are seeing.

    This process that all of us exhibit is neither good nor bad; it is. That is to say, it exists in us as we go about our lives.

    This is a marvelous biological machine that we inhabit; we, for the most part, know very little about the way in which it functions.
     
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  3. kazakhan Registered Abuser Registered Senior Member

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    Jocariah, what is your point?:bugeye:
     
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  5. plasticwingsmelting Banned Banned

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    Most people don't think.
     
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  7. Jocariah Registered Senior Member

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    The point being, that we are at the mercy of our ‘own’ thought process, whether or not we have consciously chosen that process which we adhere to – nevertheless it is our own - either way we are subject to it - limited by it, and ultimately relegated to be submissive to it.

    We see the world not as it is, but rather as a result of out thought process, that process by which we think. We are blinded by our own thought process – thinking that our way of seeing is in actually, the way in which things truly are. Never taking into account that our thought process colors every single thing, which we see. Our belief systems, whether consciously chosen or not, are present at every moment of our lives – continually lying in wait to sort out what we are seeing according to pre-established parameters.

    What parameters? Those parameters established by our own belief systems.

    We think, automatically that is, that this process of ours is the way it is, it is how the world around us exists. After all it is our thought process that provides the information, which we process, and use to evaluate our world.

    It never enters our mind that our very thought process is individually and uniquely our own. That our thought process is the result of our environmental influences and experiences, as well as decisions both consciously and subconsciously made.

    Whether or not we are bound by these thought processes and belief systems of ours, is not the point; rather it is that they indeed exist within each one of us.

    Our salvation therefore comes merely in the knowing.
     
  8. plasticwingsmelting Banned Banned

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    Beliefs cause the mind to stop functioning. A non functioning mind is considered clinically dead.

    Believe in nothing.
     
  9. kazakhan Registered Abuser Registered Senior Member

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    So what? You still don't make a point! Do you have a question? A controversial statement at least, something.
     
  10. Abdiel Registered Senior Member

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    Ha! Our mind has parameters that do not allow us to see the true world? May I remind you that our thought process allows us to see anything at all! Belief systems do not limit the mind, only expanding it. To me anything is possible, just knowing that our minds were created rightly, to be able to see the world for how it really is. Tis only human to have emotions influence what we see, and I would not have it any other way...

    "There is an infinity of ways at which a man falls, but only one at which he stands" G.K
     
  11. Jocariah Registered Senior Member

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    You continually search but never find. You seek that which you can't find. When presented with what you are looking for, you dismiss it.

    Your M.O. is to seek - you are locked into a routine - like a broken record, over and over again you play the same notes.

    You have no clarity of thought - no purpose.

    Why do you ask?

    For if you find, you immediately dismiss so that you may continue on seeking, for that is your program, your closed-loop scenario.

    So tell me, what was it again that you wanted?
     
  12. Jocariah Registered Senior Member

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    Believe whatsoever you choose, for that is your prerogative. By so saying you have only exhibited that which I have previously stated. You saw what it was that I said not as it was, but rather as your belief systems told you it was.

    You are blinded by those very systems that you hold so dear.
     
  13. Jocariah Registered Senior Member

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    Preconceived Notions

    There is and remains a way of seeing, of discerning those things that appear before us. Coming to anything that lies before us with an open mind, a mind devoid of any preconceived notions whatsoever is the only way to discern anything of significance.

    Those questions that we have, rather those answers that we seek, are available to us through the tearing down, the putting aside of what it is that we know or have known in the past. For you see, our past acts to limit us by framing what it is that we are seeing “now”, in the present. By so doing, that is by coming to what it is that we are seeing devoid of preconceptions, or any preconceived notions whatsoever, we allow those things sought, to reveal themselves to us.

    Entities exist in forms that we may never (in this lifetime) imagine, or come to appreciate in any real or significant way.

    Those of a critical nature, that is to say, critical in their observations, will never see that the intellect is only for the assembling of a matter after it is inhaled by the greater being – the self, as it exists in its entirety.

    The intellect was never designed to carry the being, but rather to assemble the information once collected.

    There is indeed a system in place that hides enlightenment from those that lack the wisdom of self – it is not withheld for any other reason than out of respect for what is at hand. For even enlightenment is an entity that chooses to whom it would reveal itself.

    Lacking an understanding of what it is that entities are, will never excuse one from the principles at hand

    One must set one's own agenda then, an agenda particular to one's own well being - for there is no sense of well being possible, by having one's agenda set by another; whether or not that decision is a conscious one.

    It is important then to remember, that we do not find what it is that we seek, but rather, what we seek is revealed to us once we understand that what we seek are indeed themselves entities, who given the chance, are desirous to be discovered.

    So it can be said: "Intelligence, by its very nature, wants to be discovered, it desires to be known."

    There again, our responsibility in this endeavor is simply to come to what it is that we seek with an open mind, that is a mind devoid of any preconceived notions, or ideas whatsoever.
     
  14. Mephura Applesauce, bitch... Valued Senior Member

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    Re: Preconceived Notions

    problem being you also said

    First you say we can't possibly have an open mind because our thought are clouded by beliefs that we aren't even aware of. Then you say we can suspend those beliefs. How can you chose not to believe in somethign that you don't even know you believe in?

    For Christ's sake, figure out what the hell you are trying say and say it. Don't contradict yourself onthe first page, at least not so blatantly.
     
  15. kazakhan Registered Abuser Registered Senior Member

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    I'm not searching for anything, I don't need to. What is this thing that I supposedly can't find? If I can't find it, how can I dismiss it?
    Again with the seeking, where do you get this? A broken record? Please review your posts!
    I have complete clarity of thought so there

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    No purpose, are you serious? Again review your posts, you seem to be seeking purpose/justification of your thoughts and/or your so called enlightenment by aliens. I've found some of your post interesting that is why I interject, to enlighten myself of your supposed clarity of thought and purpose

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    Some meat! Something to think about!
    This is redundant, it's just a statement. You can't really argue with it, so what is the point?
     
  16. Jocariah Registered Senior Member

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    Re: Re: Preconceived Notions

    Hello Mephura,

    First let me thank you for taking the time to read what I have written.

    With all due respect, you have misquoted me.

    I never said; Mephura: "we can't possibly have an open mind because our thought are clouded by beliefs that we aren't even aware of. "

    I did say; Jocariah: "Our thought process, that process by which we think, can limit our understanding of the world in which we find ourselves. We bring our belief systems, right or wrong, in its [their] entirety with us as we look at whatever it is we are looking at – thereby do we judge that which we are seeing."

    The operative word in the above statement made by me is 'can', as in; "...that process by which we think 'can' limit our understanding...”

    Think in terms of the word 'can' meaning (at least for this discussion); 'has an inherent tendency to' (or) ‘can go about to’.

    So that the statement could read: ‘Our thought process, that process by which we think, can [can go about to] limit our understanding of the world …’

    So then, by knowing what our inherent tendencies are, we are then better able to see what it is that we, individually, bring to the table each and every time we look at whatever it is that we are looking at.

    “This process that all of us exhibit is neither good nor bad; it is. That is to say, it exists in us as we go about our lives.”

    It’s not hopeless – our salvation comes simply in the knowing.

    I hope this helps clarify, somewhat, my earlier statements.

    Cheers
     
  17. Jocariah Registered Senior Member

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    hello kazakhan
     
  18. Mephura Applesauce, bitch... Valued Senior Member

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    Clarification accepted.
    In that case, I am forced to agree with you on this one.
     
  19. Jocariah Registered Senior Member

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    By chance, did you notice that the topic which I had initiated, played itself out within our very conversation?

    If not, please take the time to look it over once more, and maybe you'll catch it.

    Cheers.
     
  20. fredx Banned Banned

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    No matter what perspective you take the term "biological machine" is a contradiction in terms, just for the record.
     
  21. Jocariah Registered Senior Member

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    That may indeed be the case, but it seems that our lives are based continually on contradictions of one sort or another. ‘Biological machine’ connotes a structure, utilizing biological building materials. Like it or not, we are all ‘biological machines’, created utilizing biological building materials - the fact that we self-replicate, having obviously been a designed-in feature to our ‘machine’.

    Please, if you will, take the time to read the more traditional definition of the word ‘machine’, especially; “ 2 a : a living organism or one of its functional systems ”.

    Cheers


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    Main Entry: 1ma·chine chine
    Pronunciation: m&-'shEn
    Function: noun
    Usage: often attributive
    Etymology: Middle French, from Latin machina, from Greek mEchanE (Doric dialect machana), from mEchos means, expedient -- more at MAY
    Date: circa 1545
    1 a archaic : a constructed thing whether material or immaterial b : CONVEYANCE, VEHICLE; especially : AUTOMOBILE c archaic : a military engine d : any of various apparatuses formerly used to produce stage effects e (1) : an assemblage of parts that transmit forces, motion, and energy one to another in a predetermined manner (2) : an instrument (as a lever) designed to transmit or modify the application of power, force, or motion f : a mechanically, electrically, or electronically operated device for performing a task <a calculating machine> <a card-sorting machine> g : a coin-operated device <a cigarette machine> h : MACHINERY -- used with the or in plural
    2 a : a living organism or one of its functional systems b : a person or organization that resembles a machine (as in being methodical, tireless, or unemotional) c (1) : a combination of persons acting together for a common end along with the agencies they use (2) : a highly organized political group under the leadership of a boss or small clique
    3 : a literary device or contrivance introduced for dramatic effect
     
  22. Jocariah Registered Senior Member

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    Pertaining to our thought process, we have only three choices, with which I am currently aware: (1) to believe, (2) to disbelieve, or (3) to remain neutral, neither believing nor disbelieving.

    Each of these choices is our prerogative, and rightly so. It has never been my assertion that one should think as I think, but rather to simply illuminate our choices, and our inherent tendencies.

    That is to say, the inherent tendencies displayed by this biological machine, which we all occupy.
     
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    Heres my logic, a machine can only be what is outside us, therefore nature is for all intents and purposes a machine, only what is inside us is truly bio-logical. I know this sounds upsidedown but only humans can be "logical", strictly speaking.
     

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