http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-saudi15jul15,0,3132262.story?coll=la-home-

Lets see. 911 was done by Saudis so we invaded Afghanistan and Iraq. Now Saudis are attacking us in Iraq. Why aren't the Saudis held accountable for any of this?

tHANK YOU dESI FOR STARTING THIS THREAD.

As i have been banging on about this for a while now it comes as no surprise. mthe bits i find interesting are:

"To suggest they've done nothing to stem the flow of people into Iraq is wrong," said a U.S. intelligence official in Washington, who spoke on condition of anonymity. "People do get across that border. You can always ask, 'Could more be done?' But what are they supposed to do, post a guard every 15 or 20 paces?"

Apparently Syria and Iran are meant to post a guard every 15 or 20 paces, and guard their border better than the US mexican border!!


U.S. officials remain sensitive about the relationship. Asked why U.S. officials in Iraq had not publicly criticized Saudi Arabia the way they had Iran or Syria, the senior military officer said, "Ask the State Department. This is a political juggernaut."

Last week when U.S. military spokesman Bergner declared Al Qaeda in Iraq the country's No. 1 threat, he released a profile of a thwarted suicide bomber, but said he had not received clearance to reveal his nationality. The bomber was a Saudi national, the senior military officer said Saturday.

And the baove clarifies it all of course.

One thing annoying about it all though, is we are relying on a lot of quotes from un-named military spokesmen.

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Because the US backs the Saudi junta.

Because the US backs the Saudi junta.

and that my dear Genji is where the west fails

Thank you indeed, Desi. I have been screaming about the Bush Dynasty's treasonous alliance with the Saudis since their complicity in 9/11 became obvious. Let's see, it was financed with Saudi money, most of the hijackers were Saudis, and Osama is a member by marriage of the Saudi royal family. Every time you see a photo of life in Saudi Arabia, the people are all in the streets waving signs that read, "Death to American Satan." Saudi money and personnel are the infrastructure that drives the network of anti-American terrorist training camps spread throughout the Muslim world from Indonesia to the Philippines to Pakistan to Afghanistan, and for all I know there might be some in Muslim Africa.

And our President poses for a photo holding hands with one of those evil anti-American despots and tiptoeing through the flowers with him??? All air traffic in America was grounded on 9/11 but the White House allowed one Saudi jet to leave, carrying unknown passengers?

Then we bombed Kabul because we were pretty sure Osama was somewhere in rugged, lawless Afghanistan. If we had threatened to bomb Riyadh, Osama's in-laws would have delivered his head to us on a silver platter within 24 hours.

Many people have pointed out the Saudi conspiracy, there was even a book on sale in Costco. The same people who elected Bush don't want to believe that his buddies are evil. That's easy, these are the same people who believe that Saddam had something to do with 9/11. And that the way to improve our national security was to destroy the most secular, pro-Western Muslim country in the entire region.

I can understand why Saudis are helping the Sunni insurgents in Iraq. The last thing they want is a second large Shiite nation on the planet to upset the Sunni hegemony in Islam. This is such a damn holy war. We're fighting the Crusades against all the world's one billion Muslims, meanwhile they're fighting among themselves like the Catholics and Protestants at the close of the Dark Ages.

You're welcome guys. What I don't get is how come the Democrats don't pick this up and burn the Republicans alive with it. This is huge stuff here and its being treated as non-newsworthy by almost everyone.

You're welcome guys. What I don't get is how come the Democrats don't pick this up and burn the Republicans alive with it. This is huge stuff here and its being treated as non-newsworthy by almost everyone.

Hi Desi,

I think thats cos they are probably just as deeply submerged in that shite as the republicans.

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The Saudis agreed to only sell oil for US dollars.

That's why they're untouchable.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-saudi15jul15,0,3132262.story?coll=la-home-

Lets see. 911 was done by Saudis so we invaded Afghanistan and Iraq. Now Saudis are attacking us in Iraq. Why aren't the Saudis held accountable for any of this?

do you mean the Saudi government?:shrug:

that is hard to answer unless you have some kind of inside info.

The Saudi Royal Family did not cause 9-11. However, they did halt the investigation of 9-11 as it pertained to Saudi Arabia, in collusion with the Bush Administration. This conclusion requires only an average level of reasoning ability, and wide exposure to public information. This now concludes this conclusion.

The Saudi Royal Family did not cause 9-11. However, they did halt the investigation of 9-11 as it pertained to Saudi Arabia, in collusion with the Bush Administration. This conclusion requires only an average level of reasoning ability, and wide exposure to public information. This now concludes this conclusion.

If a foreign country is having problems with radicals what would you like the U.S to do? If a foreign country\government is AIDING terrorists should the U.S do something?

Lets not pretend to know we have access to details of meetings between world leaders, as if the come out of a meeting and say "we must inform the public"...yeah right.

I know what leaders get. I used to give it. Don't flatter them.

Let me ask the people in this forum something, if a Latina or black or white or any other ethnic category launches an attack on America should we attack the whole group and the country they came from? Of course not. This is gorilla warfare this is not conventional warfare you cannot attack a whole country just because many people from a particular country is doing something. It's not their governments wishes for this to happen.

Let me ask the people in this forum something, if a Latina or black or white or any other ethnic category launches an attack on America should we attack the whole group and the country they came from? Of course not. This is gorilla warfare this is not conventional warfare you cannot attack a whole country just because many people from a particular country is doing something. It's not their governments wishes for this to happen.

The Saudi government does teach its people that the US is the reason for all of their problems. This takes the focus off of their failures.

Let me ask the people in this forum something, if a Latina or black or white or any other ethnic category launches an attack on America should we attack the whole group and the country they came from? Of course not. This is gorilla warfare this is not conventional warfare you cannot attack a whole country just because many people from a particular country is doing something. It's not their governments wishes for this to happen.

you want everything dont you?;)

Let me ask the people in this forum something, if a Latina or black or white or any other ethnic category launches an attack on America should we attack the whole group and the country they came from? Of course not. This is gorilla warfare this is not conventional warfare you cannot attack a whole country just because many people from a particular country is doing something. It's not their governments wishes for this to happen.

If said person had the support of their government, then yes, we should invade their nation and destroy the offending offices of power.

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"you cannot attack a whole country just because many people from a particular country is doing something. It's not their governments wishes for this to happen."

So open investigations must stop? That's not what the good book says to do, if Islam, truth, etc. really is your life.

You're welcome guys. What I don't get is how come the Democrats don't pick this up and burn the Republicans alive with it. This is huge stuff here and its being treated as non-newsworthy by almost everyone.The competition between the two Conferences of the Republocrat League is as real as TV wrestling. They've got a sweet deal with their two-party-equals-one-party-system and they're not going to blow it wide open over something as unimportant as truth, national security or world peace. Why do you think "third" parties (as if there's only one more) are kept on the sidelines with insurmountable requirements for signatures, votes, etc.? Libertarian publications are full of these kinds of revelations. Yet America's most prominent Libertarian has to campaign as a Republican to get the slightest bit of media attention, and even then he's ignored as soon as the interview is over. E.g., "All of the Republican candidates support the War in Iraq."Let me ask the people in this forum something, if a Latina or black or white or any other ethnic category launches an attack on America should we attack the whole group and the country they came from? Of course not. This is gorilla warfare this is not conventional warfare you cannot attack a whole country just because many people from a particular country is doing something. It's not their governments wishes for this to happen.We don't attack gorillas in America, we have animal rights organizations.:)If you mean guerrilla (Spanish for "little teeny-weeny war," from Late Latin guerra borrowed from Germanic werra, the source of our word "war"), guerrillas are insurgents, not terrorists. Insurgents fight against an occupying force or an unpopular government, normally inside their own country, with the support of a large portion of their population. Terrorists fight against civilians, especially civilians outside their own country, normally with the support of only a tiny fragment of their population.

Sure, it's not fair to hold a government responsible for the uncontrollable actions of a small number of its people. But where does that put a government like Syria's, Iran's or Saudi Arabia's, which actively support, equip, train and finance terrorists? Or Pakistan's, which claims it can't find the Taliban refugees inside its borders but it has the resources to imprison its attorneys? Or the U.S. during the Cold War, which supported every terrorist group that promised to attack only Russians, including the Taliban?

Saudi Arabia is our enemy. It bears much more than 50% of the responsibility for 9/11. It builds an international network of terrorist training camps that floods the world with anti-Western terrorists. Its people loudly proclaim their hatred for us. It sees itself as the leader of a Sunni hegemony making policy for the entire Islamic world.

I am a pacifist so I do not believe in making war if there is any conceivable alternative. But since we've twice proven ourselves capable of overthrowing sovereign governments, I don't see anything wrong with overthrowing the Saudi despots, freezing their finances, and putting an end to 95% of the world's terrorist activities.

Al-Qaeda is the enemy of the Sa'ud regime. There are much more graceful ways to watch a Sunni Republic and Shi'a Republic emerge from Western and Eastern Arabia (respectively). There may be a military solution, but there can not be an American military solution. We have severely limited options in the USA now, thanks to the Bush Administration.

Al-Qaeda is the enemy of the Sa'ud regime.With Osama, a member of their own family, as its head? Saudis don't stand on ceremony--or I should say they follow their own ceremonies in such matters. If they truly felt that way about him, he would be dead. We outsiders can't find him but they could track him down in 24 hours.There are much more graceful ways to watch a Sunni Republic and Shi'a Republic emerge from Western and Eastern Arabia (respectively).Do you mean the actual nation of Saudi Arabia? Only 15% of its population is Shiite. I don't see the House of Saud, which doesn't even allow Christian churches to exist in its country, devising a "graceful" sharing strategy with the Shiites.

If by "Arabia" you mean the entire Arab region from Morocco to Iraq, you've still got a problem because Shiites only make up a substantial portion (but still minority) of the population in tiny countries like Kuwait and the U.A.E., and are the majority only in Iraq. The world leadership of the Shia movement is in Iran and the Persians are an Indo-European people. Islam reinforces the Stone Age tribal instinct in Homo sapiens even worse than Christianity and it's not likely that the Saudis will ever negotiate with a non-Arab people except in the traditional way of all the Abrahamic religions: at gunpoint. The gigantic countries where the vast majority of Muslims live and make the Arabs look like a geographical footnote--such as Malaysia, Indonesia, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Nigeria--will be no help to the Shiites since they are all Sunni too. For all political purposes, Iran and what's left of Iraq are Shia Islam.

I hope all is well

I dunno you guys have onyl just realsied what Zakky has been trying to tell you for the last 18 months!!!


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Fraggle Rocker: "[Al-Qaeda is the enemy of the Sa'ud regime] With Osama, a member of their own family, as its head?"

No, that's not any less ridiculous than proclaiming that the Bush Administration is run by the Branch Davidians.

"Saudis don't stand on ceremony--or I should say they follow their own ceremonies in such matters."

The ceremony long ago concluded was the revocation of Osama's Saudi citizenship (1991) national exile. Then his family disowned him. The only sufficient funding source at that point was the CIA. So the brat took the money as was customary. The rest is history.

"If they truly felt that way about him, he would be dead."

He is.

"We outsiders can't find him but they could track him down in 24 hours."

No outsiders had sufficient connections in Waziristan. Poof. Abracadaver.

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There are much more graceful ways to watch a Sunni Republic and Shi'a Republic emerge from Western and Eastern Arabia (respectively).

"Do you mean the actual nation of Saudi Arabia?"

I mean the entire Arabian Peninsula. It's about to be re-shuffled.

Don't be confused by obsolete British-Empire borders. Those are being significantly re-arranged now. If you look at the demographics for the Western shores of the Gulf, you may be surprised. If you learn about the resentment against Sunni overlords that has been building for generations within Shi'a communities, you may be surprised again.

"Only 15% of its population is Shiite."

That's not true in the Eastern Province. In most Gulf towns, Sunnis are as native as are Clintons in New York, and Bushes in Texas.

"If by "Arabia" you mean the entire Arab region from Morocco to Iraq, you've still got a problem"

You bet your ass we've got a problem. A sectarian shit-storm as big a shamaal is wound up, and the region is primed and ready for all hell to break loose.

"Shiites only make up a substantial portion (but still minority) of the population in tiny countries like Kuwait and the U.A.E., and are the majority only in Iraq."

"The world leadership of the Shia movement is in Iran"

No, there is deadly vying swirling around the meme of Arab Shi'a leadership. Yes, Iran is a local superpower, friendly to trusted Shi'a tribes- Not friendly to all Shi'a clans.

Calling Tehran the Hub of the Axis is like saying that all Islamic leadership is in Makka. It's like defaulting to warmed-over Cold War bullshit. Only this crap is more surreal than Soviet propaganda ever was.

"Islam reinforces the Stone Age tribal instinct in Homo sapiens"

That is slanderous and untrue.

"it's not likely that the Saudis will ever negotiate with a non-Arab people except in the traditional way of all the Abrahamic religions: at gunpoint."

Have you ever heard of ARAMCO (http://www.saudiaramco.com/irj/portal/anonymous)? Roosevelt and Abdul-Aziz (http://www.saudi-us-relations.org/newsletter2005/saudi-relations-interest-02-12.html)

"For all political purposes, Iran and what's left of Iraq are Shia Islam."

You are grossly oversimplifying. Don't forget the Kurds, don't forget the downtrodden but rallying Shi'a all down the Western shores of the Gulf. Don't forget that there are ready investors in the inheritors of all that oil. Mountains of money are available for funding revolutions.

This is a separate headache for the Sa'ud family than is the al-Qaeda problem, that is Bin Laden's crew. They are scattered, and there are numerous well-funded imitators making new preparations. This snake doesn't have a head, But it does feed on chaos. Create chaos and observe a fat, happy, brainless, but disruptive snake.

On further reflection, the image is more of a fat brainless writhing cluster of vipers. Fucking. And having cluster-fucking babies. "Quick! Beat them with a stick!" "You first." " No, feed 'em some morra that juicy chaos!" Good idea.