It appears pansy-@ss Republicans have caved in to democrats demands for amnesty for up to 50 milliion illegal aliens.

I think I'm going to be sick.

It appears pansy-@ss Republicans have caved in to democrats demands for amnesty for up to 50 milliion illegal aliens.

I think I'm going to be sick.

Jesus would be so proud.
He hated poor people of different lands too.

This isn't about poor people from different lands. This is about illegal aliens taking over my country. Right now all politicians who supported this make me sick--even Bush.:mad:

This isn't about poor people from different lands. This is about illegal aliens

Please explain the difference to me.
Other than the obvious "they are illegal".

Would Jesus want to reject people from the privelage of his protection and nourishment based solely on what country they happened to be born in?
Would he want them banished from his country because he fears they will take from some of his precious material resources?

She's very unchristlike. It makes you wonder why people like her are christian in the first place. It's very peculiar.

Jesus would be so proud.
He hated poor people of different lands too.

C'mon... this has nothing to do with Jesus. Yes, we should be giving as a society. But, it's ridiculous that we should not be secure in our borders as a nation. (on that note, I do believe in the amnesty program... fact is, they aren't going back to Venemexirico, we might as well make them tax paying, LEGAL residents... 'cause there's no way our government is going to uproot between 15 and 20 million people)

What I think we need to do, more vigorously is monitor the border. More troopers. More patrols. Build a good fence. It's just good sense to control the borders-- no matter how you chop it up. But, they're here. Let's call it what it is and deal with that reality.

~String

Jesus would be so proud.
He hated poor people of different lands too.

:bravo: :roflmao:

ha ha ha
ha ha ha
ha ha ha

I was going to start a thread about this yesterday, but I knew Sandy would have a hissy fit. Sandy, you never suggested a workable solution. You can't deport 11-15 million people (not 50 million). You can't break up families and still pretend to be the party of family values.

C'mon... this has nothing to do with Jesus. Yes, we should be giving as a society. But, it's ridiculous that we should not be secure in our borders as a nation. (on that note, I do believe in the amnesty program... fact is, they aren't going back to Venemexirico, we might as well make them tax paying, LEGAL residents... 'cause there's no way our government is going to uproot between 15 and 20 million people)

What I think we need to do, more vigorously is monitor the border. More troopers. More patrols. Build a good fence. It's just good sense to control the borders-- no matter how you chop it up. But, they're here. Let's call it what it is and deal with that reality.

~String

For someone who claims to be "Born Again", EVERYTHING has to do with Jesus, by their own claims.
Someone who constantly brings up their religion, throws it in everyone else's faces and uses it to judge others - they should try and not be so blatantly hypocritical.
Sandy claims to live his/her life by the example Jesus set, and judges others by his example - (s)he should damned well be held up to that same example.

I don't get it... they're here. Do you REALLY see our government kicking out 15-20 million people? We need to focus on securing out borders going forward... but deal NOW with the reality that we are a land of immigrants, probably most of them illegal (not counting the, "illegal seizure of numerous treaty protected Indian lands"-- but that debate for another time). The assimilation process sucks. IT probably sucks now because of a combination of things such as: the huge disparity between MOST of society and the immigrants from Latin America (back when my German and Irish ancestors were emigrating from Europe, the vast majority of people in this country were living in standards that weren't too far above the bottom) and the fact that many of the imigrants are able to absorb government services which never existed back then (and, honestly, shouldn't be given out willy-nilly either... except for public schools... that's just sound investment in assimilation).

~String

willy-nilly


haha.willy.

anyway....sandy,if this qualifies as the worst day of you life count yourself lucky.
imagine what the worst day in an illegal aliens life was like......come you can do it.....empathy....remember it?

I don't get it... they're here. Do you REALLY see our government kicking out 15-20 million people? We need to focus on securing out borders going forward... but deal NOW with the reality that we are a land of immigrants, probably most of them illegal (not counting the, "illegal seizure of numerous treaty protected Indian lands"-- but that debate for another time). The assimilation process sucks. IT probably sucks now because of a combination of things such as: the huge disparity between MOST of society and the immigrants from Latin America (back when my German and Irish ancestors were emigrating from Europe, the vast majority of people in this country were living in standards that weren't too far above the bottom) and the fact that many of the imigrants are able to absorb government services which never existed back then (and, honestly, shouldn't be given out willy-nilly either... except for public schools... that's just sound investment in assimilation).

~String

You're right.

Ack what am I saying? http://www.depotoir.ca/forum/style_emoticons/default/suicide.gif

Perhaps we should give amnesty to any and all people who've commited crimes in the USA? I mean, the prisons are full, so ...let's just release them and give them amnesty. Murderers, rapists, child molesters, armed robbers,....

If it's good for other illegals, it's good for all, ain't it? Why let some criminals benefit from their crimes, yet make others pay the penalty?

Baron Max

You're right.

Ack what am I saying? http://www.depotoir.ca/forum/style_emoticons/default/suicide.gif

You say that like it's a bad thing. Finding common ground is cause for celebration. I'd say let's toast to it, but I'm on percocet right now and BOY does it feel gooooooood.

~String

Perhaps we should give amnesty to any and all people who've commited crimes in the USA? I mean, the prisons are full, so ...let's just release them and give them amnesty. Murderers, rapists, child molesters, armed robbers,....


Baron Max



that sounds like a brilliant idea.
my heart always leaps with joy when you and your absolutes join a thread.
its like watching a 3 year old get to grips with a challenging toy.

Perhaps we should give amnesty to any and all people who've commited crimes in the USA? I mean, the prisons are full, so ...let's just release them and give them amnesty. Murderers, rapists, child molesters, armed robbers,....

If it's good for other illegals, it's good for all, ain't it? Why let some criminals benefit from their crimes, yet make others pay the penalty?

Baron Max

They are two entirely different thing, and you know it.
You wouldn't jail someone for life because he parked in a loading zone, would you?

Perhaps we should give amnesty to any and all people who've commited crimes in the USA? I mean, the prisons are full, so ...let's just release them and give them amnesty. Murderers, rapists, child molesters, armed robbers,....

If it's good for other illegals, it's good for all, ain't it? Why let some criminals benefit from their crimes, yet make others pay the penalty?

Baron Max
You can't equate murder, rape, molestation, and robbery with people that simply crossed a border so they would work and feed their families. Actually, this bill proposes that they pay a $5,000 fine. Certainly that amounts to a fair punishment for a victimless crime?

haha.willy.

anyway....sandy,if this qualifies as the worst day of you life count yourself lucky.
imagine what the worst day in an illegal aliens life was like......come you can do it.....empathy....remember it?

yeah but the rest of the poor people living in the U.S had nothing to do with that.

i dont see why illegal immigrant's cannot be distributed throughout (did i spell tha right:confused: ) the world, or at least the other citicens of the world should take some responsibilty too. instead they do nothing *sigh*...so sad, so sad.

Perhaps we should give amnesty to any and all people who've commited crimes in the USA? I mean, the prisons are full, so ...let's just release them and give them amnesty. Murderers, rapists, child molesters, armed robbers,....

If it's good for other illegals, it's good for all, ain't it? Why let some criminals benefit from their crimes, yet make others pay the penalty?

Baron Max

Baron, you resort to hyperbole far too often to try to make your point. It doesn't work. Yes, they committed crimes-- and in the grand scheme of crimes, I cannot fault them as greatly for immigrating to the USA to find a better life than I can, say, a child rapist. But can't you see how silly it is to constantly resort to the letter of the law in order to make a point? Did the president talk about setting rapists and murderers free? No, because that: (a) isn't on the table, (b) would be ridiculous and (c) couldn't be farther than the truth. Just beause you can use the same formula when discussing "other" circumstances, doesn't make the two points valid. The nubbin of the matter is this: we aren't talking about murder and rape... we're talking about immigration... which Congress and the President clearly have the right and the moral authority to grant amnesty on if they feel it would best serve the country. BUT, to humor your point-- YES, if SOMEHOW it would benefit the entire country for all the rapists and murderers to be set free, then... SURE, I'd be okay with it.

We are all the descendents of SOME criminal who has come here illegally. I'm not saying that we should open our borders, but the reality is, and not one anti-amnesty person can correctly address this point, they are here and HOW pray tell are you going to get rid of 15-20 million people. You're not. The American people, no matter how sick of illegal immigration, aren't prepared for the mass deportations... and for ONCE I do care about how it would make us look to the rest of the world. The issues plaguing the USA right now aren't caused by illegal immigrants, they are exasperating much of the problems. By granting them amnesty and giving them a road to becoming legal citizens we are able to turn our energies to things better deserving out time and money.

Again, we need to tripple or even quadrouple our border staffing. Fences, though impolitic, are necessary for security purposes and need to be built to control flash points. Moreover, the USA needs to place just as much pressure on Mexico to guard their side of the border too. Using our tremendous trade surplus with Mexico and their need for our goverment's constant aid can be powerful levers in getting them to start acting like good neighbors.

Here's my last point-- I think that illegal immigrants need to be treated like criminal suspects. But, at this point, we need to just deal with the reality of the situation and find a path to legality for the ones who are here, and redouble our efforts on the future. Create a starting point of, say, this coming August. If you are here by that time, then you are here... after that time, you missed the boat and our redoubled efforts will be focused on illegal traffic far more consistently and powerfully than they were before. Is it fair to establish such an arbitrary dateline? No. Yes. Who the fuck cares... but it WOULD be good for the country to do so.

~String

They are two entirely different thing, and you know it.

Of course they're different crimes, but it's essentially the same issue. YOU and others here want to let the immigrant criminals go free, yet you're all for keeping other criminals in prison.

It's just a matter of degree ....YOU want something, but you're not willing to go for what Sandy and I want. See? Why should YOU be allowed to set the limits, but I can't do the same?

You wouldn't jail someone for life because he parked in a loading zone, would you?

No, but he should pay the penalty for doing so. YOU, on the other hand, want to give him amnesty! So why don't you want to give others amnesty, too? Why are you so willing to set some limits, but not others?

Baron Max

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goI2rvzOKDw

had to post this again.makes me laugh every time i see it

Of course they're different crimes, but it's essentially the same issue. YOU and others here want to let the immigrant criminals go free, yet you're all for keeping other criminals in prison.

It's just a matter of degree ....YOU want something, but you're not willing to go for what Sandy and I want. See? Why should YOU be allowed to set the limits, but I can't do the same?



No, but he should pay the penalty for doing so. YOU, on the other hand, want to give him amnesty! So why don't you want to give others amnesty, too? Why are you so willing to set some limits, but not others?

Baron Max

NO!!! the square shapes go into the square holes,not the circular ones.

keep trying though,its cute.

yeah but the rest of the poor people living in the U.S had nothing to do with that.

i dont see why illegal immigrant's cannot be distributed throughout (did i spell tha right:confused: ) the world, or at least the other citicens of the world should take some responsibilty too. instead they do nothing *sigh*...so sad, so sad.

There is not one developed nation in the world that does not have its share of illegal immigrants. Illegals provide cheap labour helping to keep inflation low and they can't be a drain on welfare resources because they are, illegal, so, what is the problem exactly?

The only way that I would EVER want this to happen is if, in the same bill, they also stated they were building a wall and quadrupling the number of border guards that could shoot the illegals at will as they make their, then-futile, attempt at coming across the border.

Giving amnesty and doing nothing about the problem itself is worthless. Without actually keeping people who shouldn't be in the country out of the country in the same bill, then we're just inviting more freaking illegals into OUR country and then we'll just give them all amnesty again as they start taking over OUR country.

Did any of you see the rallies where they burned the American flag, the symbol of OUR nation and then raise the freaking mexican flag where our flag was? Were none of you pissed off so much that you could have gone to LA and shot every single one of them? I know I was.

My question is: Why the fuck do you even WANT these people here after that?

There is not one developed nation in the world that does not have its share of illegal immigrants. Illegals provide cheap labour ...

..and take the AMERICAN'S jobs away from them. Assume that every illegal is working right now. Do you realize that if we didn't have any of them then there would be a job for every legal resident in the US and still have a surplus of millions of jobs? Do the math.

Illegals do most of the shit jobs that the natives wouldn't do anyway, and even if they did, it would create inflation and drive up the cost of living. Natives have the advantage in that they can claim welfare, seek further education or job training, relocate to a place that needs employees, take a bank loan to start a business etc. These are advantages that an illegal clearly does not have.

The world's population seems now to be more transient than ever, it is human nature and a human right to seek a better standard of living even if that standard is at the lowest rung of the ladder for developed nations, and illegal immigration is not about to stop or slow down, no matter how many fences and barriers are put up. Smart government should wake up to this fact and try to reach some kind of feasible and sustainable solution to the problem.

1) They should attempt to assimilate the incumbent illegals into society 2) They should attempt some effort into creating viable employment opportunities in the countries they are at most risk from, perhaps through international business partnerships and educational aid.

This isn't about poor people from different lands. This is about illegal aliens taking over my country. Right now all politicians who supported this make me sick--even Bush.:mad:

you mean like the europeans did when they colonized the americas?

The only way that I would EVER want this to happen is if, in the same bill, they also stated they were building a wall and quadrupling the number of border guards that could shoot the illegals at will as they make their, then-futile, attempt at coming across the border.

Giving amnesty and doing nothing about the problem itself is worthless. Without actually keeping people who shouldn't be in the country out of the country in the same bill, then we're just inviting more freaking illegals into OUR country and then we'll just give them all amnesty again as they start taking over OUR country.

Did any of you see the rallies where they burned the American flag, the symbol of OUR nation and then raise the freaking mexican flag where our flag was? Were none of you pissed off so much that you could have gone to LA and shot every single one of them? I know I was.

My question is: Why the fuck do you even WANT these people here after that?

I'm not so sure this bill is the perfect solution to the problem, but it does include provisions for building the wall, and using unmanned drones for surveillance.

I am sure that the few protestors that burned a flag don't represent the views of all 15-20 million illegal immigrants.

I think the Republicans are supporting this because it helps undercut unions and provides cheap labor legally to industry.

Look at how Greece deal with illegal immigrants.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3149744.stm

The border between Greece and Turkey is heavily armed because of the eons-long conflict between the two countries NOT because of immigration-- legal or not. I'm certain that the landmines were intended for larger targets.

~String

The influx of illegal immigrants from Mexico is probably the only thing keeping that state from a revolution. Considering the history of South America, it could even be a communist or socialist revolution.

It appears pansy-@ss Republicans have caved in to democrats demands for amnesty for up to 50 milliion illegal aliens.

I think I'm going to be sick.

you mean 15 million, right?
or are you saying that 1/6th of america's population is illegal immigrants?

you mean 15 million, right?
or are you saying that 1/6th of america's population is illegal immigrants?

Agreed. It's a lot-- no one's saying that 15 million isn't a big deal... but 50 million? Are you kidding? If 50 million illegals lived here: (1) the south would be significantly more populated and (2) the concept of kicking them out would TRUELY be hopeless, and it's pretty hopeless at 15 million as it is.

~String

... the concept of kicking them out would TRUELY be hopeless, and it's pretty hopeless at 15 million as it is.

I don't think we should kick them out. I think we should make it illegal for anyone to rent to the them, give them jobs, give them money, sell them anything - food, water, medicine, clothing, ..., anything! Then pretty soon they'd get rather hungry and thirsty and they'd go back to their home voluntarily.

Baron Max

Look at how Greece deal with illegal immigrants.


Hmm...I wouldn't mind that^ Just make sure you keep the signs in English only. Anyone who's not illegal and is stupid enough to run in there deserves to die.

you mean like the europeans did when they colonized the americas?

That comparison makes her uncomfortable; she won't address it, and will pretend you never asked her to.

That comparison makes her uncomfortable; she won't address it, and will pretend you never asked her to.

Colonists are not the same thing as immigrants, boys and girls, and damned sure ain't the same thing as ILLEGAL immigrants. You really should look up the terms ....it would do you good.

Baron Max

The colonists came to a land that was already occupied. They made room for themselves by unintentionally introducing infectious diseases, and engaging in genocidal slaughters on a regular basis.

In fact, they were a much greater threat to the original inhabitants of this continent than the migrants from Mexico are to us.

The colonists came to a land that was already occupied. They made room for themselves by unintentionally introducing infectious diseases, and engaging in genocidal slaughters on a regular basis.

In fact, they were a much greater threat to the original inhabitants of this continent than the migrants from Mexico are to us.

Okay, if you wish ....but then you have to call them "invaders" not immigrants! Nor can you call them illegal immigrants. See? Ya' still ain't thinking much, are you?

Baron Max

I don't think we should kick them out. I think we should make it illegal for anyone to rent to the them, give them jobs, give them money, sell them anything - food, water, medicine, clothing, ..., anything! Then pretty soon they'd get rather hungry and thirsty and they'd go back to their home voluntarily.

Baron Max

Isn't it already illegal to hire them?

Isn't it already illegal to hire them?

No, it ain't. And it damned sure ain't a federal offense. In some states, like Texas, there are some "consequences" of hiring them without papers, but the illegals just create "papers", so the employers are off the hook.

There are many cities now who've begun the process of making it a crime to rent to illegals.

Baron Max

Wouldn't they still use illegal papers under your plan?

ha ha ha...I was going to start a thread about this yesterday, but I knew Sandy would have a hissy fit. Sandy, you never suggested a workable solution. You can't deport 11-15 million people (not 50 million). You can't break up families and still pretend to be the party of family values.

I wouldn't have had a fit. I have offered my solution before: arrest and deport them all. We don't need them. Let them take their kids with them. I want them all gone.:mad:
No one knows how many are here. They hide like cockroaches. There are at least 10 million in CA alone--or at least it sure seems like it.:mad:

that sounds like a brilliant idea.
my heart always leaps with joy when you and your absolutes join a thread.
its like watching a 3 year old get to grips with a challenging toy.

ahah, thread keeps delivering, moar please.

Wouldn't they still use illegal papers under your plan?

No, 'cause the papers would be verified. And if the renters, etc failed to verify those papers, they'd go to jail.

Spider, false papers, identifications, can be easily verified through numerous state and federal agencies. It's not nearly as difficult as most people think ...the fiction novels are mostly full of shit, so don't believe 'em.

Baron Max

Spider, false papers, identifications, can be easily verified through numerous state and federal agencies. It's not nearly as difficult as most people think ...the fiction novels are mostly full of shit, so don't believe 'em.

You're wrong in your assumptions yet again, Max.

You're wrong in your assumptions yet again, Max.

Nope, I'm right. And I've talked to several law enforcement agencies ...verifying id is as easy as a phone call in most cases. False id's are very, very difficult to make, and that's why the illegals can afford them so easily!

Baron Max

And I know people who deal in such documents.
Not just fake ID's (yes, they are very easy to determine) new, clean identities.
It will range from $900 to $5,000, depending on what you are looking for.
(and it's not that hard to do)

Most people who do it are lawyers.

No, Raven, you've been reading too many spy novels! Fake ids are so easy to verify that it's not even funny. Usually one simple phone call will uncover the fakes ....and that's if the fakes are pretty good.

Good, usable, fake id's are damned expensive ....something that no illegal immigrants can afford.

Baron Max

No, Raven, you've been reading too many spy novels!
Wrong.
I know these people - I know them well.

Good, usable, fake id's are damned expensive ....something that no illegal immigrants can afford.
Yes, they are expensive (between $900 and $5,000, as I said) but the people who deal in them never have a lack of customers.
$900 is a lot of money for a poor, migrant worker from Mexico $5,000 is a small fortune - but he can save it up - they often do.
Or he can also obtain it illegally - which is what some "Illegal" immigrants are driven to, because getting into the country legally is difficult.

If you want to stop people from breaking laws, simple punishment will not do it.
You have to look at why they break the laws.

I've also known some people whose whole families pitched in (Aunts, Uncles etc) to buy them papers that "proved" they were born in this country.
They worked hard here, stayed clean, became successful, and moved their families over.
I don't have a problem with them at all (I DO have a problem, however, with the fact that they had to do it that way).

I want them all gone. Every single last one of them. Back to wherever the hell they came from. Anyone who immigrated here LEGALLY is welcome to stay. As far as the ones who broke the law to get here, go the F home.

Does anyone honestly think someone who broke the law to get here will keep the law once they're here? No. They don't. They lie and steal and cheat and cr@p all over our produce. Ugh...

I want them all gone. Every single last one of them. Back to wherever the hell they came from. Anyone who immigrated here LEGALLY is welcome to stay. As far as the ones who broke the law to get here, go the F home.

Does anyone honestly think someone who broke the law to get here will keep the law once they're here? No. They don't. They lie and steal and cheat and cr@p all over our produce. Ugh...
Jesus is not pleased with people pretending to be christians and swear at the same time.

Jesus is less pleased with people who attack his children.;)

Jesus is less pleased with people who attack his children.;)

Just as you are doing by starting this thread?
Hypocrite.

Starting a thread about one of America's biggest problems (illegal invasion of our country by third world criminals) is no comparison. Get a life.:rolleyes:

Jesus preached love, compassion and acceptance - not hate.
...

Jesus is less pleased with people who attack his children.;)

I guess he will be pissed that the Americans killed so many.

I want them all gone. Every single last one of them. Back to wherever the hell they came from. Anyone who immigrated here LEGALLY is welcome to stay. As far as the ones who broke the law to get here, go the F home.

Does anyone honestly think someone who broke the law to get here will keep the law once they're here? No. They don't. They lie and steal and cheat and cr@p all over our produce. Ugh...

Don't worry Sandy, the republicans will give them amnesty and then they will be nice and legal and no worries. The problem isn't whether we let them in legally or illegally, the problem is that "our" government lets them in either way. Why can't we have the same immigration policies as Mexico?

Illegals do most of the shit jobs that the natives wouldn't do anyway, and even if they did, it would create inflation and drive up the cost of living. Natives have the advantage in that they can claim welfare, seek further education or job training, relocate to a place that needs employees, take a bank loan to start a business etc. These are advantages that an illegal clearly does not have.

The world's population seems now to be more transient than ever, it is human nature and a human right to seek a better standard of living even if that standard is at the lowest rung of the ladder for developed nations, and illegal immigration is not about to stop or slow down, no matter how many fences and barriers are put up. Smart government should wake up to this fact and try to reach some kind of feasible and sustainable solution to the problem.

1) They should attempt to assimilate the incumbent illegals into society 2) They should attempt some effort into creating viable employment opportunities in the countries they are at most risk from, perhaps through international business partnerships and educational aid.

The Price of Cheap Labor

http://www.silverbearcafe.com/private/tomatoes.html

From a California school teacher...

As you listen to the news about the student protests over illegal immigration, there are some things that you should be aware of:

I am in charge of the English-as-a-second-language department at a large southern California high school which is designated a Title 1 school, meaning that its students average lower socioeconomic and income levels.

Most of the schools you are hearing about, South Gate High, Bell Gardens, Huntington Park, etc., where these students are protesting, are also Title 1 schools.

Title 1 schools are on the free breakfast and free lunch program. When I say free breakfast, I'm not talking a glass of milk and roll -- but a full breakfast and cereal bar with fruits and juices that would make a Marriott proud. The waste of this food is monumental, with trays and trays of it being dumped in the trash uneaten. (OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK)

I estimate that well over 50% of these students are obese or at least moderately overweight. About 75% or more DO have cell phones. The school also provides day care centers for the unwed teenage pregnant girls (some as young as 13) so they can attend class without the inconvenience of having to arrange for babysitters or having family watch their kids. (OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK)

I was ordered to spend $700,000 on my department or risk losing funding for the upcoming year even though there was little need for anything; my budget was already substantial. I ended up buying new computers for the computer learning center, half of which, one month later, have been carved with graffiti by the appreciative students who obviously feel humbled and grateful to have a free education in America. (OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK)

I have had to intervene several times for young and substitute teachers whose classes consist of many illegal immigrant students here in the country less then 3 months who raised so much hell with the female teachers, calling them "Putas" (whores) and throwing things that the teachers were in tears.

Free medical, free education, free food, day care etc., etc., etc. Is it any wonder they feel entitled to not only be in this country but to demand rights, privileges and entitlements?

To those who want to point out how much these illegal immigrants contribute to our society because they LIKE their gardener and housekeeper and they like to pay less for tomatoes: spend some time in the real world of illegal immigration and see the TRUE costs.

Higher insurance, medical facilities closing, higher medical costs, more crime, lower standards of education in our schools, overcrowding, new diseases etc., etc, etc. For me, I'll pay more for tomatoes.

We need to wake up. The guest worker program will be a disaster because we won't have the guts to enforce it.
Does anyone in their right mind really think they will voluntarily leave and return?

There are many hardworking Hispanic/American citizens that contribute to our country and many that I consider my true friends. We should encourage and accept those Hispanics who have done it the right and legal way.

It does, however, have everything to do with culture: A third-world culture that does not value education, that accepts children getting pregnant and dropping out of school by 15 and that refuses to assimilate, and an American culture that has become so weak and worried about "politically correct" that we don't have the will to do anything about it.

CHEAP LABOR?

Isn't that what the whole immigration issue is about?

Business doesn't want to pay a decent wage.

Consumers don't want expensive produce.

Government will tell you Americans don't want the jobs.

But the bottom line is cheap labor. The phrase "cheap labor" is a myth, a farce, and a lie. there is no such thing as "cheap labor."

Take, for example, an illegal alien with a wife and five children. He takes a job for $5.00 or $6.00/hour. At that wage, with six dependents, he pays no income tax, yet at the end of the year, if he files an Income Tax Return, he gets an "earned income credit" of up to $3,200 free.

He qualifies for Section 8 housing and subsidized rent.

He qualifies for food stamps.

He qualifies for free (no deductible, no co-pay) health care.

His children get free breakfasts and lunches at school.

He requires bilingual teachers and books.

He qualifies for relief from high energy bills.

If they are or become, aged, blind or disabled, they qualify for SSI. Once qualified for SSI they can qualify for Medicare.

All of this is at taxpayer's expense.

He doesn't worry about car insurance, life insurance, or homeowners insurance.

Taxpayers provide Spanish language signs, bulletins and printed material.

He and his family receive the equivalent of $20.00 to $30.00/hour in benefits.

Working Americans are lucky to have $5.00 or $6.00/hour left after paying their bills and his.

The American taxpayer's also pay for increased crime, graffiti and trash clean-up.

If this makes your blood boil, as it did mine, forward this to everyone you know.

Cheap labor? YEAH RIGHT! Wake up people

^ That's just insane when you look at all the stuff they're getting that is 100% free to them, but we're paying for it. I don't want to give my money to some grimy illegal who has to move because they can't even succeed in their own god-forsaken country (generally Mexico). So, again, why the hell do we want these people here!?

It appears pansy-@ss Republicans have caved in to democrats demands for amnesty for up to 50 milliion illegal aliens.

I think I'm going to be sick.

Wouldn't it be interesting to discover that YOU were born of illegal aliens? :D

Wouldn't it be interesting to discover that YOU were born of illegal aliens? :D

I guess that makes me an illegal alien. Where's my free shit?

Wrong. I know these people - I know them well.

It just occured to me ....the people who are telling you how good the id cards are have a motivation in telling you those lies ....profit! Why would anyone who makes fake ids tell you that they aren't any good????? ...LOL!

Do you also go to used car dealers and expect them to tell you their cars are no good? ...LOL!

If you want to stop people from breaking laws, simple punishment will not do it.

I don't know ...it seemed to work quite well through thousands of years of human existence. Before the advent of the whiny, liberal, doo-gooders, that is!

You have to look at why they break the laws.

That's easy ...they didn't want to obey the laws.

In the good ol' days, when a person commited a crime, he was found guilty of committing that crime in court and sentenced. Now, in the days of liberal, lilly-livered liberals, an accused whines and cries and begs in court, and he gets off.

When we make or allow excuses for crimes, all we're doing is opening the flood gates for more and varied excuses. When the first "not guilty by reason of insanity" occured ...tens of thousands began to use that same insanity plea and it worked for years before it was "shut down". Then came the plea of "I did it 'cause my parents abused me as a child" ...and that plea is running it's course now, and slowly running out of steam. What's next? Oh, when I was a kid, my cat scratched me?

All you're doing when you make excuses is giving others the incentive to do the same crime ....and try to get away with it, too. You're lending your support and approval for anyone seeking to commit that crime.

Baron Max

I guess that makes me an illegal alien. Where's my free shit?

Well, if you whine and cry and complain and go on marches through the city, some idiotic, lilly-livered, doo-gooder liberal is very likely to come to your aid and try to make all of us law-abiding, taxpayers provide everything you need.

Just whine and cry more ....it seems to work wonders.

Baron Max

So, again, why the hell do we want these people here!?

The only people who claim to want them here are those who are not affected by them. I.e., from their mansions on the hill, in a gated, secure community, they cry out for those who are poor and downtrodden ....while they drink fine wine with their thick, juicy steaks.

Baron Max

The only immigrants I've seen who abuse the welfare system are hispanics and african americans. So there you have it but helping them get educated eventually should help america as they are eager to better their lives.

What's funny is that most americans meaning whites, blacks and hispanics whether you are aware of it or not are quite sympathetic to the perceived disadvantaged. Me as an asian is looked on as being too successful and ironicly asians are discriminated more so when seeking assistance. My girlfriend who tried to work at walmart was discriminated in a most telling fashion as they had her running around bossing her in a callous manner while the whites, blacks and hispanics were treated like happy pigs. I can't count how many times whites have preferred hispanics or blacks over me simply because they identify more racially or emotionally to them as being more like them. Do you think white americans are automatically against welfare, self-interest, prejudice or weakness themselves? lol. Do you think americans care about 'america' or do they care by making the most of their personal situation? Lets be real. Do you think all americans care about who is honest or hardworking? Do you think they all are honest or hardworking themselves whether they are legal or not? hehehe. What you don't see is that americans including white americans are no different than the hispanics and blacks when it comes to wanting to take advantage of a system. The problem isn't just the immigrants, it's human nature. Your own people feed the problem. Sometimes the truth is not nothing close to the ideal we think it is nor is the blame.

It just occured to me ....the people who are telling you how good the id cards are have a motivation in telling you those lies ....profit! Why would anyone who makes fake ids tell you that they aren't any good????? ...LOL!
I don't need any fake papers, moron.
They aren't trying to sell me anything.
I have known these people for years, and, as I said, I know them well.

None of that matters, I suppose, because all that matters is what fits into your tiny, little, world view and everything else MUST be bullshit.

Do you also go to used car dealers and expect them to tell you their cars are no good? ...LOL!
Not unless I have known them for years and consider them friends.

I don't know ...it seemed to work quite well through thousands of years of human existence. Before the advent of the whiny, liberal, doo-gooders, that is!
No it didn't.
It has NEVER worked.

That's easy ...they didn't want to obey the laws.
Everything is easy in your tiny, little, black and white world.

All you're doing when you make excuses is giving others the incentive to do the same crime ....and try to get away with it, too. You're lending your support and approval for anyone seeking to commit that crime.
I am doing nothing of the sort.
I don't fit into your little world view, Max.
I am attempting to look at laws honestly, and honestly express when I think they are unjust.

The only people who claim to want them here are those who are not affected by them. I.e., from their mansions on the hill, in a gated, secure community, they cry out for those who are poor and downtrodden ....while they drink fine wine with their thick, juicy steaks.

As I said, I don't fit into your pathetic, little word view.
You can't write me off as one of your patented stereotypes.

And what do you do whene people, ideas and things don't fit into the containers in your compartmentalized world?
You discount them as bullshit.
Go ahead, Max, discount me as bullshit.
I don't exist.
You don't need to open your eyes, you've gotten along for all these years with your blinders on, why take them off now?

As I have said before, when you woudl like to have a conversation, rather then give a lecture, you know where to find me.

I don't need any fake papers, moron. They aren't trying to sell me anything. I have known these people for years, and, as I said, I know them well.

No, but you think they'd tell you how piss-poor the fake papers are so you could go around telling everyone else???? And you call me an idiot? ..LOL!

No it didn't. It has NEVER worked.

Check the stats on crime, Raven. You'll see that when punishment was eased and excuses were made, crime began to climb. When the death penalty was almost stopped for murder, etc. the rates of murder began to climb and are now at almost an all-time high. And worse, many of those murders are committed by previously convicted murderers.

Sorry, Raven, but your idealism just seem good on paper or in quiet conversations in your mansion on the hill ....but the reality is that crime is a growing concern all over this great nation. And people like you, the idealists and doo-gooders, are part of that problem ....allowing criminals to go free if they cry and whine enough.

You're easy to "write off", Raven, 'cause you're nothing but a dreamer, an idealist, who can't see reality for what it is.

Baron Max

The only immigrants I've seen who abuse the welfare system are hispanics and african americans. So there you have it but helping them get educated eventually should help america as they are eager to better their lives.

Actually this is not true. Second generation Hispanics do worse in school than blacks!

http://www.amren.com/Reports/Hispanics/Hispanics.htm

Education

Hispanics drop out of high school at three times the white rate and twice the black rate.

Even third-generation Hispanics drop out of school at a higher rate than blacks and are less likely to be college graduates.

From 1992 to 2003, Hispanic illiteracy in English rose from 35 percent to 44 percent.

The average Hispanic 12th-grader reads and does math at the level of the average white 8th-grader.

[QUOTE=peta9;1400855]The only immigrants I've seen who abuse the welfare system are hispanics and african americans. So there you have it but helping them get educated eventually should help america as they are eager to better their lives.[/qupte]

Actually this is not true. Second generation Hispanics do worse in school than blacks!

http://www.amren.com/Reports/Hispanics/Hispanics.htm

Education

Hispanics drop out of high school at three times the white rate and twice the black rate.

Even third-generation Hispanics drop out of school at a higher rate than blacks and are less likely to be college graduates.

From 1992 to 2003, Hispanic illiteracy in English rose from 35 percent to 44 percent.

The average Hispanic 12th-grader reads and does math at the level of the average white 8th-grader.

What you are not looking at then is why are too many of your own people identify with these illegal, law-breaking perceived degenerate slobs?? hmm??

It's time you started seeing people's character beyond just superficial ethnicity. That would be a clue. And stop saying it's all the liberals and jews. Plus, jews are just as racist as you are it's just money comes before racism, lol. Bullshit, most american slobs are conservatives who believe in god, overly patriotic, selfishly hog resources for themselves(sound familar?) and racist just like the majority of whites, hispanics and blacks. Do you really think the god-fearing bigots who you want to deport as well as the americans who can be just as slimy or worthless and are usually racist towards me have been liberal?? HAHAHAA!! You need to wake up and realize what the true faces of conservatives really are. Many of the conservatives are the same type of people you want to deport.

What you are not looking at then is why are too many of your own people identify with these illegal, law-breaking perceived degenerate slobs?? hmm??

Altruism, liberalism and too much empathy is a weakness of white people. If you think any other race would do the stupid shit we're doing right now you're kidding yourself.

It's time you started seeing people's character beyond just superficial ethnicity. That would be a clue.

Typically I do. Doesn't mean I want to be outnumbered by hostile "minorities" in my own fucking country.

And stop saying it's all the liberals and jews.

Why?

Plus, jews are just as racist as you are it's just money comes before racism, lol.

No shit! They're as racist as I am. They are probably more racist than anybody which is one reason they are so successful and determined to genocide whitey.

Bullshit, most american slobs are conservatives who believe in god, overly patriotic, selfishly hog resources for themselves(sound familar?) and racist just like the majority of whites, hispanics and blacks.

Um, not sure what you mean here.

Do you really think the god-fearing bigots who you want to deport as well as the americans who can be just as slimy or worthless and are usually racist towards me have been liberal?? HAHAHAA!! You need to wake up and realize what the true faces of conservatives really are. Many of the conservatives are the same type of people you want to deport.

The only people I want to deport are non-whites like you. Nothing personal pal. I suppose if we could ditch the liberals and white trash that would be worthwhile too. In fact, I would even settle for partitioning the country and creating a whites only country. You, the liberals, blacks and hispanics can have fun living together.

Altruism, liberalism and too much empathy is a weakness of white people. If you think any other race would do the stupid shit we're doing right now you're kidding yourself.



Typically I do. Doesn't mean I want to be outnumbered by hostile "minorities" in my own fucking country.



Why?



No shit! They're as racist as I am. They are probably more racist than anybody which is one reason they are so successful and determined to genocide whitey.



Um, not sure what you mean here.



The only people I want to deport are non-whites like you. Nothing personal pal. I suppose if we could ditch the liberals and white trash that would be worthwhile too. In fact, I would even settle for partitioning the country and creating a whites only country. You, the liberals, blacks and hispanics can have fun living together.

You're kidding yourself, jews are white. They are your own race. Just like the whiteys who have black or hispanic spouses. See?

I didn't know enslaving millions of africans, wiping out the native americans, using cheap foreign labor from the inception of america til now was all due to altruism, liberalism, and empathy. Bullshit!

Most blacks and hispanics are not liberal but conservatives like you. Most are christian, god-fearing, country-loving, patriotic folk who believe are true americans. They would love to help you keep out them others once they get entrenched in the system and have the good life. See, they are just like you and conservatives like you deserve them.

What's even funnier is if you ditched all the liberals you would have a really stupid society that again ironicly would attract the conservative, backward immigrants one way or another probably because of religious prostelyzing and meddling in others affairs. The reason is conservatives are backwards themselves and are trashy as well. The ku klux klan ain't all the most sophisticated bunch of folks, ya know. haha!

You're kidding yourself, jews are white. They are your own race. Just like the whiteys who have black or hispanic spouses. See?

Jews are not white. As for whites who marry outside their race, I believe this is based off a Jewish expression but it works well here too...You are not white unless your grandchildren are white.

I didn't know enslaving millions of africans, wiping out the native americans, using cheap foreign labor from the inception of america til now was all due to altruism, liberalism, and empathy. Bullshit!

Blacks never enslaved other blacks? Blacks didn't genocide other black tribes? Using foreign cheap labor? That's a crime now?

Most blacks and hispanics are not liberal but conservatives like you.

That would explain their sky high rate of crime, abortions and illegitimacy wouldn't it?

Most are christian, god-fearing, country-loving, patriotic folk who believe are true americans.

See above.

They would love to help you keep out them others once they get entrenched in the system and have the good life. See, they are just like you and conservatives like you deserve them.

Oh please. Liberals deserve them. They are the ones who want them here.

What's even funnier is if you ditched all the liberals you would have a really stupid society that again ironicly would attract the conservative, backward immigrants one way or another probably because of religious prostelyzing and meddling in others affairs.

I wouldn't bet on it.

The reason is conservatives are backwards themselves and are trashy as well. The ku klux klan ain't all the most sophisticated bunch of folks, ya know. haha!

You do have a point there and this is why you do. Only poor whites are forced by economics nto living with large numbers of blacks and that is why they are the most racist. Rich white liberals don't live with blacks or send their kids to black schools.

I'm not against whites having their "own" country, you should. I personally don't care. Though I think I'm more farsighted and realistic as I think people are going to end up similar anyways from technology and advancement. But I don't see how america is rightfully your country when you've used so many immigrants to build this country, I can see europe is though. Besides what people have to live with, there are many concessions one has to make even within a society of your own race because of the majority. If your opinions are representative of a minority, then why don't you rally together and buy yourself an island.

I'm not against whites having their "own" country, you should. I personally don't care.

Fine.

Though I think I'm more farsighted and realistic as I think people are going to end up similar anyways from technology and advancement.

Funny you should say that. One writer thinks this technology will be used to make everyone white.

But I don't see how america is rightfully your country when you've used so many immigrants to build this country, I can see europe is though.

Give me a fucking break. Why not say the country rightfully belongs to the horses, mules and donkies that did a lot of "building" the country. The non-whites who "built" America couldn't build fuck all without whites directing it otherwise Africa would look like America.

Besides what people have to live with, there are many concessions one has to make even within a society of your own race because of the majority. If your opinions are representative of a minority, then why don't you rally together and buy yourself an island.

We would if we could.

I guess he will be pissed that the Americans killed so many.

So many terrorists? Nah. They are evil and they are NOT His children.:(

But I don't see how america is rightfully your country when you've used so many immigrants to build this country, ....

We aren't a land of immigrants, we're a land of LEGAL immigrants. Do you see the difference? Or should I spell it out more clearly to you?

Baron Max

Jews are not white.

Well, that's okay. Whatever they are, they're okay in my book!!

Baron Max

[QUOTE=Count Sudoku;1400721
He qualifies for Section 8 housing and subsidized rent.

He qualifies for food stamps.

He qualifies for free (no deductible, no co-pay) health care.

His children get free breakfasts and lunches at school.

He requires bilingual teachers and books.

He qualifies for relief from high energy bills.

If they are or become, aged, blind or disabled, they qualify for SSI. Once qualified for SSI they can qualify for Medicare.

All of this is at taxpayer's expense.

He doesn't worry about car insurance, life insurance, or homeowners insurance.

Taxpayers provide Spanish language signs, bulletins and printed material.

He and his family receive the equivalent of $20.00 to $30.00/hour in benefits.

[/QUOTE]

If someone is in the country illegaly, how could they possibly qualify for the benefits listed above, surely, if they declared themselves as being illegal, they would get deported wouldn't they? Same goes for their children...how can a child get registered in a school if the parent doesn't have a social security number?

Because our country has become a pc bs place with millions of creepy people who lie, steal, cheat, cr@p on our food, and expect entitlements.

It's gonna get real ugly in some places.

If someone is in the country illegaly, how could they possibly qualify for the benefits listed above,...

The plain and simple answer is .....easy! The bleeding heart, doo-gooder liberals of the nation have made it difficult, if not illegal, to report any illegal alien to the authorities!! Yes, that's the damned truth!!!

Cops in most large cities of the nation are not allowed, yes, that's right, NOT ALLOWED, to check people for legal status! Yes, that's the damned truth!

Same goes for their children...how can a child get registered in a school if the parent doesn't have a social security number?

Ditto for schools ...they are not permitted to check for legal status! Yes, that's the fuckin' truth!! The bleeding heart liberals, who all live in luxury and splendor and wealth, want the middle-class taxpayers to pay for all those things for the ILLEGAL aliens!

Ain't that a kick in the head???

Baron Max

The plain and simple answer is .....easy! The bleeding heart, doo-gooder liberals of the nation have made it difficult, if not illegal, to report any illegal alien to the authorities!! Yes, that's the damned truth!!!

Cops in most large cities of the nation are not allowed, yes, that's right, NOT ALLOWED, to check people for legal status! Yes, that's the damned truth!



Ditto for schools ...they are not permitted to check for legal status! Yes, that's the fuckin' truth!! The bleeding heart liberals, who all live in luxury and splendor and wealth, want the middle-class taxpayers to pay for all those things for the ILLEGAL aliens!

Ain't that a kick in the head???

Baron Max

Come now Baron, whats wrong with supporting your impoverished neighbors? Surely you have more than you need? The meek inherit the earth, etc?

Your government did the right Christian thing; hope they continue in this vein.

Come now Baron, whats wrong with supporting your impoverished neighbors?

I do, Sam, I do. But I don't support criminals or people who'd sneak into the country and do us harm. Surely you don't think I should support those people, do you? ...even you, a bleeding heart, doo-gooder liberal who helps all of the poor people of your native Indian, and Palestine, and Pakistan, and....., well, all of those other places with poor people.

Surely you have more than you need?

I do ...but only if I don't have some catastrophic illness or other such major problem in my life. So should I give all of it away and hope that nothing happens to me? And if something does happen to me, would you send me monthly checks to cover my problems?

Your government did the right Christian thing; hope they continue in this vein.

They ain't done it yet!!!! But just think about what ye're saying ....that people should be rewarded for doing something illegal. Do you think that's right, Sam? Even you can't be that naive and stupid.

Baron Max

I do, Sam, I do. But I don't support criminals or people who'd sneak into the country and do us harm. Surely you don't think I should support those people, do you? ...even you, a bleeding heart, doo-gooder liberal who helps all of the poor people of your native Indian, and Palestine, and Pakistan, and....., well, all of those other places with poor people.



I do ...but only if I don't have some catastrophic illness or other such major problem in my life. So should I give all of it away and hope that nothing happens to me? And if something does happen to me, would you send me monthly checks to cover my problems?



They ain't done it yet!!!! But just think about what ye're saying ....that people should be rewarded for doing something illegal. Do you think that's right, Sam? Even you can't be that naive and stupid.

Baron Max

Well now they are all legal, so it does not matter right?

People are revolting against the amnesty program. Republicans are getting shouted down everywhere they go. Good. I'll NEVER vote for anyone who supported this giving away of my country.:mad:

http://hotair.com/archives/2007/05/19/audio-saxby-chambliss-booed-at-gop-convention-for-defending-amnesty-bill/

Everyday there are new stories about these illegal aliens killing people. Today there is one about an illegal alien shooting a cop in the face for pulling him over. The car was stolen, the illegal alien had several different IDs, and killed the 18-year veteran cop.:mad:

Well, that's okay. Whatever they are, they're okay in my book!!

Baron Max

Why are they okay in your book?

I wouldn't have had a fit. I have offered my solution before: arrest and deport them all. We don't need them. Let them take their kids with them. I want them all gone.:mad:
No one knows how many are here. They hide like cockroaches. There are at least 10 million in CA alone--or at least it sure seems like it.:mad:

You can't deport their children. Anyone born here is an American citizen.

How do you propose to get them all? Would you, for instance, raise taxes to pay the extra police force required? How would you prevent them from coming back? How would you pay for a 2,000 mile wall and the police forces to guard it?

Well now they are all legal, so it does not matter right?

Huh? Sam, that law has been proposed ....it's a long, long ways from passing into law! Besides, even if it is passed, the illegals won't be legal until the go through the process, which ain't easy or cheap. Many won't even bother ...why should they when they get everything free?

Baron Max

You can't deport their children. Anyone born here is an American citizen.

We'll keep their kids and ship the rest of the family back. The kids can go into foster care. We're already paying for the little bastards, so it won't be any more tax dollars!

How do you propose to get them all? Would you, for instance, raise taxes to pay the extra police force required? How would you prevent them from coming back? How would you pay for a 2,000 mile wall and the police forces to guard it?

Ship them back in open cattle trucks, dump them just beyond the border. Then put out land mines in case they try to come back. Don't need no fuckin' fence if we use land mines ...gazillions of them, bazillions of 'em even.

Baron Max

Why are they okay in your book?

I've met hundreds, perhaps thousands of Jews, and I ain't never met one that I didn't like. The assumption is that if they're all even remotely like the ones I've met, then we'll be just fine, thank you.

Baron Max

I've met hundreds, perhaps thousands of Jews, and I ain't never met one that I didn't like. The assumption is that if they're all even remotely like the ones I've met, then we'll be just fine, thank you.

Baron Max

I'm sure what you say is true and I know some Jews myself who are fine people. However, as a group they push for things that are against the interests of Euros like pressuring Bush to create more restrictions on free speech, ban gun ownership and of course most of them support this white genocide amnesty bill.

I'm sure what you say is true and I know some Jews myself who are fine people. However, as a group they push for things that are against the interests of Euros like pressuring Bush to create more restrictions on free speech, ban gun ownership and of course most of them support this white genocide amnesty bill.

So? It's their right to press for things that they want. Don't you do it, too? And don't the illegal aliens do it by marching in large crowds, demanding their "rights" ...which they don't even have!!

I think you just don't like what many Jews want ....you disagree with them, so therefore, you don't like 'em. Me? I don't like Muslim terrrorists ...therefore, I don't like any Muslims! :D

Baron Max

We'll keep their kids and ship the rest of the family back. The kids can go into foster care. We're already paying for the little bastards, so it won't be any more tax dollars!



Ship them back in open cattle trucks, dump them just beyond the border. Then put out land mines in case they try to come back. Don't need no fuckin' fence if we use land mines ...gazillions of them, bazillions of 'em even.

Baron Max

1. So much for family values.
2. Is it worth it if the price of the barrier exceeds the cost of illegal Mexicans?
3. Are you factoring in the higher cost of agricultural products when they are gone?

Everyday there are new stories about these illegal aliens killing people. Today there is one about an illegal alien shooting a cop in the face for pulling him over. The car was stolen, the illegal alien had several different IDs, and killed the 18-year veteran cop.:mad:

yES, he was 'illegal' but you are trying to insinuate that "illegals" being nonamericans or nonwhites tend to criminal behavior which is like beyond bullshit. Sorry to throw cold water on your convenient prejudices but your race has more than its fair share of criminals.

1. So much for family values.

Whose family?

2. Is it worth it if the price of the barrier exceeds the cost of illegal Mexicans?

No, the barrier and the land mines could cost zillions, tens of zillions, hundreds of zillions, and it would be worth it to keep ILLEGAL aliens from sneaking across the border ILLEGALLY.

3. Are you factoring in the higher cost of agricultural products when they are gone?

I don't care if produce costs a billion dollars for a head of lettuce. Illegal is illegal. And worse, have you noticed that the e.coli outbreaks and other problems with produce and meat have begun to grow in volume in recent years? Hmm, perhaps it's becuse the illegals workin' there contract those diseases, then don't go to the doctors 'cause they're ILLEGAL, thus passing along those wonderful diseases to us as they work in the fields and slaughter houses.

Why can't you get it through your head, Spurious, they are ILLEGAL!!! It's illegal to be ILLEGAL ...and we damned sure shouldn't reward them for being ILLEGAL.

Baron Max

Whoah, whoah motherfucker, You're like an ass-heehaw.

Hee hee! Now I know why other people were complaining about you calling others names!

I thought you had half a brain and now I see I've been conversing with an imbecile.

Mommy mommy! The bad man called me names!

Motherfucker, when you use other people's labor to build railroads, cook your food, do your laundry, mow your lawn, build your houses, pick your cotton--you didn't just build it IDIOT.

Anytime white people used non-whites as "cheap" or slave labor, we were basically using them like animals or machines. Do you think animals or machines are entitled to ownership of the country they work in? The Saudis hire white foreigners to do a bunch of work for them. Do you seriously think I would suggest that the Saudis give their country over to those whites because they are doing the work?

They are not OBJECTS but people WHO CONTRIBUTED, IF NOT YOU SHOULD HAVE DONE IT ALL YOUR GODDAMN FUCKING SELVES. OKAY RETARD?? I KNOW THIS FINE POINT OF DETAIL IS HARD FOR YOU TO GRASP.

Look at the Saudi example. Do you think the Saudis should hand over their country to all the foreigners they hire to do the work while those fucks do drugs and hire prostitutes with their oil wealth?

Seriously, I'm not saying the slave or cheap labor should be treated like animals or machines. However, I am saying that these people should have no claim on our country. We shouldn't bring in cheap labor because it never is in the long run. Legalizing these illegals or even letting them in legally is a huge mistake for the country generally and white people specifically. Hell, it's probably even worse for blacks.

yES, he was 'illegal' but you are trying to insinuate that "illegals" being nonamericans or nonwhites tend to criminal behavior which is like beyond bullshit. Sorry to throw cold water on your convenient prejudices but your race has more than its fair share of criminals.

Actually it's more true than you seem to want to believe! The Mexicans and the blacks have been fighting it out in the LA area for weeks now, killing each other over the drug trade.

Baron Max

So? It's their right to press for things that they want. Don't you do it, too? And don't the illegal aliens do it by marching in large crowds, demanding their "rights" ...which they don't even have!!

The above groups demand the opposite of what I (and apparently you want).

[I think you just don't like what many Jews want ....you disagree with them, so therefore, you don't like 'em. Me? I don't like Muslim terrrorists ...therefore, I don't like any Muslims! :D

Baron Max

Do you agree with amnesty, restrictions on the first and second amendment and every other liberal position? Because the Jews do.

So much for the US being a Christian nation. If Jesus Christ himself came there, he'd be deported as a raghead.

No, people are not objects as you're implying and that is the root of your ignorance. If you didn't want to include them in your nation, you should have built the railroads, cooked your own food, did your own laundry, picked your own cotton, build your own houses, and mow your own lawn and GET OFF YOUR LAZY FUCKING ASSES YOURSELF. BUT YOU DIDN'T.

Me? I wasn't around 200 years ago. As for your point, you are essentially correct. We should pick our own damn lettuce. By getting Mexicans to do it we are basically giving them the whole damn country.

I AM saying that america does NOT just belong to you. See, unlike other countries where different ethnic groups have built their country and have no problems identifying themselves with their nationality or country.

America was a country made by whites for whites. It wasn't until communists in the 1960s started taking over our institutions that anyone thought different.

It's strange IDIOTS like yourself who don't GET IT. Do you live in a fairytale land?? huh?? Oh my. You brought the millions of africans by the boatload and you still hold onto the fantasy they will all go back to africa??

Well Lincoln was in favor of shipping them all back but unfortunately he died before that could happen.

HUH? Even though they are basically not pure africans no longer. It's not even just about the hispanics. Come on, I know you do BECAUSE YOU ARE AN AMAZING, STUPENDOUS SPECIMEN OF IDIOCY.

Watch the mods give me infractions and do nothing to this guy. I don't care if the blacks here are racially mixed. I said already I would settle for creating a white only country out of America. No one would have to go to wonderful Africa.

Many Mexican girls are very pretty, and I'd be lost without Mexican food. Corporations in need of many low wage workers will make sure that nothing meaningful changes, because they would have to pay much more in wages to get their jobs done.

The good news is, by far, the majority of Mexicans in this country work hard, have families, and just live their lives.

So much for the US being a Christian nation. If Jesus Christ himself came there, he'd be deported as a raghead.

It doesn't say anywhere in the Bible that white people should have an open border and allow themselves to be genocided. In fact, I believe the Bible commands Christians not to allow themselves to be governed by "strangers" i.e. foreigners.

Quite frankly, these are my kind of Christians and their views are a little different than those of the mainstream.

http://spiritwaterblood.com/

It doesn't say anywhere in the Bible that white people should have an open border and allow themselves to be genocided. In fact, I believe the Bible commands Christians not to allow themselves to be governed by "strangers" i.e. foreigners.

Quite frankly, these are my kind of Christians and their views are a little different than those of the mainstream.

http://spiritwaterblood.com/

Christians are white? What are Mexicans?

Actually it's more true than you seem to want to believe! The Mexicans and the blacks have been fighting it out in the LA area for weeks now, killing each other over the drug trade.

Baron Max

As I recall whites were involved in the opium trade and mexicans and blacks are not the only druggies and alcoholics. As a matter of fact, cocaine is still considered the drug of choice of the upperclass. No matter where in the chain of events you fall, if you're involved then you're FUCKING INVOLVED!

Christians are white? What are Mexicans?

Christians can be any color. These Christians believe that race mixing is against God's law. In fact, adultery is considered racial mixing, not cheating on your wife.

Christians can be any color. These Christians believe that race mixing is against God's law. In fact, adultery is considered racial mixing, not cheating on your wife.

You're nuts.

How did I end up on **********.org?

Many Mexican girls are very pretty, and I'd be lost without Mexican food. Corporations in need of many low wage workers will make sure that nothing meaningful changes, because they would have to pay much more in wages to get their jobs done.

The good news is, by far, the majority of Mexicans in this country work hard, have families, and just live their lives.

Generally Mexicans are a drain on the country in many ways. We would be much better off if they all left.

You're nuts.

That is their position. You'll have to take it up with them. I know most Churches today say the opposite.

edit: Actually 100 years ago all these positions were mainstream for the Church.

How did I end up on **********.org?

What are you talking about?

It doesn't say anywhere in the Bible that white people should have an open border and allow themselves to be genocided. In fact, I believe the Bible commands Christians not to allow themselves to be governed by "strangers" i.e. foreigners.

Quite frankly, these are my kind of Christians and their views are a little different than those of the mainstream.

http://spiritwaterblood.com/

Jesus was a jew. You say jews are not whites and you want to live in a white only nation with jesus the nonwhite jew as your religious figurehead. Ooh, scary but funny stuff.

Jesus was a jew. You say jews are not whites and you want to live in a white only nation with jesus the nonwhite jew as your religious figurehead. Ooh, scary but funny stuff.

I don't see a problem with this. I thought Christians worshipped God, not Jesus.

Can we keep it on the topic? peta9, please stop posting rude comments.

I do believe in the amnesty program... fact is, they aren't going back to Venemexirico, we might as well make them tax paying, LEGAL residents... 'cause there's no way our government is going to uproot between 15 and 20 million people)

What I think we need to do, more vigorously is monitor the border. More troopers. More patrols. Build a good fence. It's just good sense to control the borders-- no matter how you chop it up. But, they're here. Let's call it what it is and deal with that reality.

Here's the problem. There should be no amnesty until the wall is built and real penalties are in place for hiring illegals.

The program being proposed by Bush and Kennedy allows any illegal to pay a fine and instantly become legal. Hell, maybe the border patrol could just accept payments as they come in! Welcome to the USA, here's your "Z" Visa, enjoy your stay!

I think I'm going to be sick.

Yes, me too. http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/wuerg/vomit-smiley-001.gif Vile low-life pathetic excuses for human beings like you have that affect on people. http://deephousepage.com/smilies/Disappointed_anim.gif

You can't deport their children. Anyone born here is an American citizen.

How do you propose to get them all? Would you, for instance, raise taxes to pay the extra police force required? How would you prevent them from coming back? How would you pay for a 2,000 mile wall and the police forces to guard it?

Enforce our damn laws. Arrest every one we find. Let our police ask about immigration status and require proof. Deport every one we find. Drop nets at their immigration rights marches. Seal the border. Use the guard. We have plenty of volunteers who want the borders closed. Shoot to kill at the border. No more criminal invasion. Make the wall electrified. Do whatever it takes to stop this. We've had enough. We want our country back.

Enforce our damn laws. Arrest every one we find. Let our police ask about immigration status and require proof. Deport every one we find. Drop nets at their immigration rights marches. Seal the border. Use the guard. We have plenty of volunteers who want the borders closed. Shoot to kill at the border. No more criminal invasion. Make the wall electrified. Do whatever it takes to stop this. We've had enough. We want our country back.

Well, don't you bring a whole new meaning to 'love thy neighbour'.:puke:

So you think "shoot to kill" orders are the way to go? You are actually saying you support killing men, women and children (lets not forget your whole spiel on how baby killing is bad) because they cross your border without a visa?

Tell me, would you be one of the "volunteers" taking pot shots at children as they make a dash for a better life in your country?

Funny you should say that. One writer thinks this technology will be used to make everyone white.

Freak, I'm talking about the fact we are not exposed to the elements, we live in artifical environments so to speak and because it's a global world, trade enables information and goods to be exchanged by all. This evolution was implemented long before you but the full effects have yet to be witnessed as evolution takes a very long time.

This is actually positive and doesn't align with your petty, narrowminded, self-serving, pathetic and cowardly attempt to hide from the world because you think you are somehow better than everyone.

It's quite telling you are very in love with yourself and the perceived qualities of your race yet I have traveled the world and I know their is immense beauty, value and qualities of life found everywhere and you can find pieces of yourself through these experiences, cultures, and people. In many ways others can be a mirror of yourself if you are perceptive enough to notice. I think in some ways their life and experiences are richer and technology is only one positive aspect and not the only thing that matters.

I think you are pathetic and as appealing as a bowl of seasonless grits. Enjoy shutting yourself off from the world because no one wants your boring selves anyways.

Shoot to kill

Scripture based morals ruling your worldview?

This is about enforcing our laws. We have a criminal invasion going on here folks and it's just gotten worse. Now the criminals can stay. If they were a benefit to us it would be different. They're not. They're a drain. And decent, hard-working, patriotic Americans WANT THEM GONE:mad:

This is about enforcing our laws. We have a criminal invasion going on here folks and it's just gotten worse. Now the criminals can stay. If they were a benefit to us it would be different. They're not. They're a drain. And decent, hard-working, patriotic Americans WANT THEM GONE:mad:

Here's what you're failing to realize. Did you actually think that the uber powerful lobbies of Walmart, Home Depot, Major Fast Food Industries, were going to allow their stores to be raided, and have their hard working poorly paid labor force deported? They don't want to pay Americans living wages, paid vactions,provide them healthcare and retirement benefits. We're talking BIG money here. And BIG money gets what it wants, and it's not about to lose it to appease some angry Repulicans like yourself. This was a business decision. How are we going to compete with China and India when they're building their encomies off of Slave Labor. History shows us that Slave Labor is at the foundation of every Empire. :bugeye:

This is about enforcing our laws. We have a criminal invasion going on here folks and it's just gotten worse. Now the criminals can stay. If they were a benefit to us it would be different. They're not. They're a drain. And decent, hard-working, patriotic Americans WANT THEM GONE:mad:

By ridding the US of the 50 million or so illegal aliens, the economy would collapse.

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By ridding the US of the 50 million or so illegal aliens, the economy would collapse.

No, it wouldn't. And please try to refrain from using hyperbole and senseless rhetoric in your posts ...it make you appear stupid and uneducated.

Baron Max

No, it wouldn't. And please try to refrain from using hyperbole and senseless rhetoric in your posts ...it make you appear stupid and uneducated.

Baron Max

He's just quoting the OP.:rolleyes:


It appears pansy-@ss Republicans have caved in to democrats demands for amnesty for up to 50 milliion illegal aliens.

I think I'm going to be sick.

Back off, Sandy. Your hatred is getting old. We already know that you're neither woman, nor conservative, nor Christian. (Okay, I suppose I have to take that back; you really might be a woman, and you really might be a conservative.)

At any rate, people will stop treating you like a moron when you stop making a point of acting like one.

Your provocateur routine depicting conservatives as even more sinister and stupid than they actually are doesn't impress even liberals like me.

When invisible lines in the dirt are more important to you than human beings, you've crossed the line into sickness. Please get help. And we'll all be here to help, whether you believe it or not. Aside from a few true misanthropes, whom we all learn to tolerate like the one truly insane member of the extended family, your Sciforums fellows would be very happy, and very relieved, when you finally seek health.

Back off, Sandy. Your hatred is getting old. We already know that you're neither woman, nor conservative, nor Christian. (Okay, I suppose I have to take that back; you really might be a woman, and you really might be a conservative.)

At any rate, people will stop treating you like a moron when you stop making a point of acting like one.

Your provocateur routine depicting conservatives as even more sinister and stupid than they actually are doesn't impress even liberals like me.

When invisible lines in the dirt are more important to you than human beings, you've crossed the line into sickness. Please get help. And we'll all be here to help, whether you believe it or not. Aside from a few true misanthropes, whom we all learn to tolerate like the one truly insane member of the extended family, your Sciforums fellows would be very happy, and very relieved, when you finally seek health.

Interesting. You accuse Sandy of hatred, then you turn right around, in the same post, and show your own hatred of some others who don't agree with your own point of view. Hmm ...and you're a moderator???

Baron Max

Hatred? If you had a shred of credibility about you, Max, I might be able to understand that one. But you're going to have to be more specific if you want any detail about the response. Of course ....

You can't characterize all Mexicans as criminal scum and not be a bigot and a racist.

Enforce our damn laws. Arrest every one we find. Let our police ask about immigration status and require proof. Deport every one we find. Drop nets at their immigration rights marches. Seal the border. Use the guard. We have plenty of volunteers who want the borders closed. Shoot to kill at the border. No more criminal invasion. Make the wall electrified. Do whatever it takes to stop this. We've had enough. We want our country back.
All this extra police work requires funding, and the states can't pay for it. Would you be in favor of raising taxes (or rolling back Bush's tax cuts)?

Screening people that show up at immigration rallys is a violation of free speech laws. If they have a permit for the rally, you can't even question them unless they are in suspection of violating a law. Simply showing up at such a rally is not probable cause.

Using the guard to help "seal" our borders isn't possible now, due to the Guard being deployed in Iraq. Would you be willing to bring them home now in order to accomplish this task?

You should seriously consider why you can't think about this very complex issue more rationally. Mexicans are not destroying this country, far from it. They are harvesting the food you eat, they are contributing millions to the treasury, and their children are valuable cannon fodder for the Military Industrial Complex.



A Modest Proposal:

I suggest we dig up all our topsoil and spread it around Mexico. Also, we build a pipeline to send all of our irrigation water there. Then we can take advantage of cheap foriegn labor without having to deal with the social costs of poverty.

You can't characterize all Mexicans as criminal scum and not be a bigot and a racist.

She didn't say that at all ...but it's what you wanted to read, ain't it. She was talking about the ILLEGAL Mexican immigrants. And they are criminal scum!! NOTE: ILLEGAL means breaking the laws of the nation ...since you don't seem to know what it is!

Screening people that show up at immigration rallys is a violation of free speech laws.

ILLEGAL immigrants do NOT come under the legal citizen rights as do normal, regular, LEGAL citizens!

You should seriously consider why you can't think about this very complex issue more rationally.

You're the one not giving it serious thought. Basically what you're saying and/or implying is that anyone who can sneak into the country illegally should automatically become trusted, honored, legal citizens of the USA. What kind of "serious" thought is that??!! ...giving criminals all the rights of citizens?!

I think your liberalism is actually beginning to drip off of you like syrup ...you should be careful where you walk!

Baron Max

This is about enforcing our laws. We have a criminal invasion going on here folks and it's just gotten worse. Now the criminals can stay. If they were a benefit to us it would be different. They're not. They're a drain. And decent, hard-working, patriotic Americans WANT THEM GONE:mad:

So you agree that shooting children as they cross your borders is somehow just and lawful? Would you be willing to pull the trigger? Again, keep in mind your views on "killing babies" in other threads.

Why do you think they are staying if it wasn't going to benefit your country in some way?

She didn't say that at all ...but it's what you wanted to read, ain't it. She was talking about the ILLEGAL Mexican immigrants. And they are criminal scum!! NOTE: ILLEGAL means breaking the laws of the nation ...since you don't seem to know what it is!
She isn't simply saying that Mexicans are bad for crossing our borders illegally, she is saying that because they are Mexican, they are committing other crimes, she calls them cockroaches. These are people who are cleaning middle class kitchens in suburbia. I'm just waiting to hear her "final solution".


ILLEGAL immigrants do NOT come under the legal citizen rights as do normal, regular, LEGAL citizens!
Plenty of legal Mexican-Americans show up at those rallys. It would be illegal, in the USA, to target someone for political reasons (showing up at a pro-immigration rally).


You're the one not giving it serious thought. Basically what you're saying and/or implying is that anyone who can sneak into the country illegally should automatically become trusted, honored, legal citizens of the USA. What kind of "serious" thought is that??!! ...giving criminals all the rights of citizens?!
I am implying no such thing. I was attempting to introduce Sandy to the complexity of the situation.


Baron Max
Really, that's your screenname? I didn't realize who posted that.

So you agree that shooting children as they cross your borders is somehow just and lawful?

No, no! Heavens NO! Ya' don't shoot babies, for god's sake, or even little tiny kids. Adults and bigger kids run and duck and make it much better target practice. The little kids, we'd pick up and raise as good American citizens with all of the rights of American citizens and all of the glorious possibilities for all citizens of this geat nation.

Why do you think they are staying if it wasn't going to benefit your country in some way?

Benefit our country?????? Fuck no! They send money back to Mexico, for god's sake, by the billions! They don't give one shit about the USA other than what the can suck out of it.

Baron Max

The little kids, we'd pick up and raise as good American citizens with all of the rights of American citizens and all of the glorious possibilities for all citizens of this geat nation.
Ah but they'd still be "illegal". Therefore as far as sandy is concerned, they would qualify as gun fodder.

Benefit our country?????? Fuck no! They send money back to Mexico, for god's sake, by the billions! They don't give one shit about the USA other than what the can suck out of it.
But they're saving your country by means of their employers paying them too little, leaving them (the employers) with more money to make your country "great".:rolleyes:

Ah but they'd still be "illegal".

No, Bells, if we picked up the little kids and "raised them as Americans", then that would mean that we'd adopt them into our families. What did you think "raise them as good Americans" meant????

Therefore as far as sandy is concerned, they would qualify as gun fodder.

No, no! That's only after they're older ...like 13 or so.

But they're saving your country by means of their employers paying them ....

Yeah, criminal employers paying criminals to work for them. ...and you don't see anything wrong with that????????????

Baron Max

No, Bells, if we picked up the little kids and "raised them as Americans", then that would mean that we'd adopt them into our families. What did you think "raise them as good Americans" meant????

Republican and god fearing of course?:p

No, no! That's only after they're older ...like 13 or so.

Ah of course.

Yeah, criminal employers paying criminals to work for them. ...and you don't see anything wrong with that????????????

I didn't say that I didn't.

But can you think of a way of getting the employers to not employ them? After all, do you think they would want to give up their cheap labour? And how would you stop them? Shut down their businesses? Well there goes the economy. Give them fines? That won't stop them. Force them to employ Americans and pay legal wages? How would you enforce it?

All said and done, they have been granted legal status now, so it's a moot point really.

I still don't get how any American can support this invasion. It just blows me away.:(

Freak, I'm talking about the fact we are not exposed to the elements, we live in artifical environments so to speak and because it's a global world, trade enables information and goods to be exchanged by all. This evolution was implemented long before you but the full effects have yet to be witnessed as evolution takes a very long time.

This is actually positive and doesn't align with your petty, narrowminded, self-serving, pathetic and cowardly attempt to hide from the world because you think you are somehow better than everyone.

Actually, I am only interested in preventing white genocide which is what Amnesty will eventually cause.

It's quite telling you are very in love with yourself and the perceived qualities of your race yet I have traveled the world and I know their is immense beauty, value and qualities of life found everywhere and you can find pieces of yourself through these experiences, cultures, and people. In many ways others can be a mirror of yourself if you are perceptive enough to notice. I think in some ways their life and experiences are richer and technology is only one positive aspect and not the only thing that matters.

I never said differently.

I think you are pathetic and as appealing as a bowl of seasonless grits. Enjoy shutting yourself off from the world because no one wants your boring selves anyways.

Apparently non-whites follow whites wherever we go so we must be appealing in some way.

CA is already a freakin disaster from these illegal aliens. They are ruining my beautiful state. Ugh...:(

How about we adopt the same illegal immigration policies of those meanies in Mexcio?

You mean lock the suspected illegal in a dirty, rotten, stench-filled cell full of perverts/murderers, bribe/extort their family to get them out, feed them beans and water, and then deport them C.O.D?

**********GREAT FREAKIN IDEA!!!****************:xctd:

No, it wouldn't. And please try to refrain from using hyperbole and senseless rhetoric in your posts ...it make you appear stupid and uneducated.

Baron Max

Having a bad hair day?

Enjoy. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anal_bleaching)

That's disgusting.

This is about enforcing our laws. We have a criminal invasion going on here folks and it's just gotten worse. Now the criminals can stay. If they were a benefit to us it would be different. They're not. They're a drain. And decent, hard-working, patriotic Americans WANT THEM GONE:mad:

How have any of these people been a direct "drain" on you? Have they taken a job you wanted? Or what?

A direct drain? Apparently, you're unaware of all that the American taxpayer has to fund because of illegals. Here's a sampling:

Firstly, illegal immigration is one of the biggest contributers to the staggering increases in the cost of American health care. Put simply, I and every other citizen have to pay for immigrants who show up at health care facilities with injuries and have no money.

Secondly, illegal immigration has helped unsettle American public schools by injecting massive amounts of students into them who know absolutely no English and therefore require special assistance, which again costs the taxpayer money.

Thirdly, illegal immigration adds tremendous costs to local law enforcement, who have to deal with massive amount of illegals who commit crime and the massive amount of illegals who are carrying illegal drugs into the US.

James R

All of them, they depress the wage scale, they take jobs from higher paid workers who have worked their way up the pay scale, they take up the starter jobs for the teens, they inundate the hospital emergency system, and we have to pay that cost in taxes, they go to school on our taxes dollar, they cost the tax payers of this country millions in incarceration cost for their criminal behavior, they don't pay income tax, or property taxes, so tell me again that they don't affect me, I am paying every day for the Health Care, Education, Criminal Activity, the cost in lower wages because they depress the wage scale, yes tell me how they don't affect me and the rest of the legal citizens of this country.

And what about the illegal immigrants who were a part of the Ft. Dicks plot?

I think it's important to note that not all illegals are from the friendly countries to the south...

I still don't get how any American can support this invasion. It just blows me away.:(
It's an unholy coalition of business interests (republicans) who want cheap labor and democrats who see them as potential democrat voters.

I don't think Americans have any idea of just how incapable our government is at dealing with illegal immigrants once they are inside the country. The border is, and always will be, the best and only place to fix the issue. Land mines... I'm telling you we need to invest in land mines. ;)

~String

I don't think Americans have any idea of just how incapable our government is at dealing with illegal immigrants once they are inside the country. The border is, and always will be, the best and only place to fix the issue. Land mines... I'm telling you we need to invest in land mines. ;)

~String

Yes.

Then you can employ the illegal immigrants already in the country as cheap labour to help make prosthetic limbs.:rolleyes:

How do landmines work against tourists? Any potential and unknown terrorist could come here as a visitor legally and simply stay.

How do landmines work against tourists?

...LOL! Tourists seldom, if ever, walk into the nation across the open desert. But if they did, the mines would convince them that it isn't a good idea.

Any potential and unknown terrorist could come here as a visitor legally and simply stay.

And yet you want to let anyone cross the border any time they want without any documents or visas or anything. All you want them to say is something like "I want to work to feed my family." And poof, you'd let 'em in.

Baron Max

I don't think Americans have any idea of just how incapable our government is at dealing with illegal immigrants once they are inside the country.

You're somewhat correct here, but if we did like Syria, it would be easy. They simply don't allow employers to hire the illegal Iraqi immigrants, for anything. If I'm not mistaken, they also can't legally rent shelter.

With those laws in place, as they are now being enacted in numerous cities all across this nation, the immigrants will be forced to leave or else starve to death.

Baron Max

Isn't it already illegal to do so, Baron?

~String

LOL! Tourists seldom, if ever, walk into the nation across the open desert. But if they did, the mines would convince them that it isn't a good idea.
My comment was addressing the idea of terrorists crossing the border. My point was that they could more easily come here as tourists and stay. Only very poor people need to walk accross a desert.


And yet you want to let anyone cross the border any time they want without any documents or visas or anything. All you want them to say is something like "I want to work to feed my family." And poof, you'd let 'em in.
I don't recall saying that.

Isn't it already illegal to do so, Baron?

It is, but the requirements are so lenient that if the illegal immigrant shows him a green, blank piece of paper, he can say, "See? He had a green card!"

In essence, there is no requirements for employers to go to any length to verify legal status. But that's beginning to change as cities all across this nation are enacting new laws that force employers and renters, etc, to verify legal status with the state police.

Baron Max

My point was that they could more easily come here as tourists and stay.

No. When they come here "legally" they're on the radar, and law enforcement has photos and fingerprints.

Only very poor people need to walk accross a desert.

The land mines would prevent that.

Tell me, Spider, is there any other nation(s) on Earth that allows anyone and everyone to come into their nation illegally, then automatically make them citizens and give them all the rights of citizens?

Baron Max

Photos and fingerprints are great, but they won't of themselves prevent terrorism. It's silly to think that a wall will prevent determined jihadists. I agree we shouldn't make it easy for them, either.

Many so-called illegals come here legally. I don't agree with the notion of automatic citizenship, and I think few people do.

Many so-called illegals come here legally.

And no one that I know of has any complaint about them. The problem, of course, is when the come here and STAY ...then they become illegals.

Baron Max

YOU ARE COMLETELY FULL OF SHIT! YOU STUCK YOUR GODDAMN NOSE EVERYWHERE DEMANDING PEOPLE OPEN BORDERS AND TRADE ASSHOLEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Me?

AND YOU STILL DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Me?

YOU PRETEND YOU WANT TO BE BY YOURSELF BUT NOT BEFORE YOU GET A CHEAP EGO BOOST BY FLAUNTING YOUR SHIT IN FRONT OF OTHERS.

Nope. I just want some white only countries. I don't care what non-whites do after that.

ONLY WHITE PEOPLE ARE THIS WAY WITH OTHER RACES. GO FUCK YOURSELF ALBINO MOTHERFUCKER. I DON'T LIKE YOU, YOUR FOOD, YOUR CULTURE, NOTHING IS APPEALING EXCEPT YOUR TECHNOLOGY. MOTHERFUCKING UGLY CORPSE.

Then fuck off and leave.

I'M GOING TO PROCEED TO HUMILATE THE SHIT OUT OF YOU NOW.

Good luck.

GO TELL YOUR CLINICALLY RETARDED FRIENDS AT ********** THAT ITALIANS AND GREEKS AND MANY THEY CONSIDER AS "WHITE" ARE NOT FUCKING PURE WHITE.

Who said they were?

IF YOU WERE TO DO DNA TESTING TO JUST ROUND UP YOU "PURE" WHITE RACES THEN YOU WOULD BE A PALTRY CHALKY MINORITY.

Don't hate me for my beautiful white skin you hater!

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Sorry, Count.
peta9 has been warned.

Wow. Did peta have a bad day or something:confused:

Wow. Did peta have a bad day or something

And people wonder why humans have wars and violent conflicts?! ...LOL!

And then, even worse, the Spider comes in a threatens him with infractions or banning ...which probably makes ol' Peta even more pissed off. So now Peta is probably going off to find some dynamite, strap it to his body and go blow up some innocent school kids somewhere. And we wonder why people are the way they are. :D

Baron Max

Did I do something wrong?

I don't know I missed it...

I read the last five pages of posts and still don't know what I missed.

~String

I deleted the offending posts.

Then why'd you ask "did I do something wrong?" You are the mod... everything "wrong" falls upon your shoulders. ;)

~String

It appears they won't vote on the new amnesty bill until after the holiday. I wish they'd just scrap it and deport en masse.

The Heritage Foundation has issued a new report showing how devastating illegal aliens are to our economy. Illegal alien households cost the American taxpayers almost 100 BILLION dollars/year.:mad:

The report: http://www.heritage.org/research/immigration/upload/SR_14.pdf

The summary:http://www.heritage.org/research/immigration/SR14es.cfm

They get more benefits and pay less taxes. They are a huge drain on us. We want them gone. All of them.

Nuk'em.

torture them

It appears they won't vote on the new amnesty bill until after the holiday. I wish they'd just scrap it and deport en masse.

From reading and hearing the latest news reports, it seems that the new, idiotic immigration bill doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of passing. And that's a good thing. It's basically a bill to give amnesty to the illegal immigrants/criminals ...thought it's well hidden in political legalese.

Baron Max

The Heritage Foundation has issued a new report showing how devastating illegal aliens are to our economy. Illegal alien households cost the American taxpayers almost 100 BILLION dollars/year.:mad:

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hi sandy,

God thats loads of money, probably as mucha s you are spending in the debacle in Afghanistan and Iraq


Nuk'em.

absolutely Nick, great idea

It's more important to fight the war on terror than to let illegal aliens drain my country of billions.

God thats loads of money, probably as mucha s you are spending in the debacle in Afghanistan and Iraq

So why can't be spend money on both? It's not one or the other, ya' know.

Baron Max

Dear Sandy

i hope you are well

and thank you for your feedback

It's more important to fight the war on terror than to let illegal aliens drain my country of billions.
What by destroying one of Alqueda's enemies and giving them a perfect training and recruitment ground.

thats agreat strategy indeed


So why can't be spend money on both? It's not one or the other, ya' know.

Baron Max

of course maximus i am not the one who deals in absolutes here.. anyway where did isay one or the other i dont recall that at all.

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take it ez
zak

Don't hate me for my beautiful white skin you hater!

You've made this whole thread about race. This is the kind of manipulative crap I'm talking about. You unabashedly and audaciously try to flatter yourself even through me. It's very typical of white racists to think like you. You conjure and wish that others would look down on themselves which feeds your hidden contempt for others which is the lowest form of pathetic and petty slime which you are.

Hello??? I don't think your white skin is beautiful because there is tone and texture involved and I prefer asian light skin tones and textures. I have white skin and my skin will not age as fast as yours as well. I PERCEIVE us to have a unique luminosity that I don't see in others. Others have thier own appeal and beauty but I prefer ours. I LIKE the catlike eyes and high cheekbones. I ACTUALLY think asians look better, cooler and more beautiful. I don't HATE you for your "white" skin which doesn't have the tone I prefer. If you paid attention, I get angry at your arrogant attitude towards the rest of the world. I'm sick and tired of hearing racially ingrained insults about slanted eyes and such which westerners have coined. I can turn it around and think privately you look like a dumbstruck albino neanderthal zombie.

A very unflattering asian perspective. It's interesting anyone can be condescended to.

I am sick and tired of their over the top ego. Like I want to look like an unburied corpse. As if white skin regardless of type of tone is meaningless. Sure, I want to look like my white walls or tanned albino just like most white people do, not! There is a different type of tone and luminosity with skintypes. Asians because of our diet for millennia can have a luminous pearlesque paleness that is unique to us, also our skin doesn't age as fast because of our genetics and again our high antioxidant diet past, present and passed on through genes.

These people's malignant ego has been allowed to go unchecked, oppress others and needs to be brought down a few pegs trying to make this diverse world just like them which is pathetically degenerate and narrowminded, maybe their karma will catch up with them and the universe will do it, hopefully.

The Heritage Foundation has issued a new report showing how devastating illegal aliens are to our economy. Illegal alien households cost the American taxpayers almost 100 BILLION dollars/year.:mad:

The report: http://www.heritage.org/research/immigration/upload/SR_14.pdf

The summary:http://www.heritage.org/research/immigration/SR14es.cfm

They get more benefits and pay less taxes. They are a huge drain on us. We want them gone. All of them.

You pretend the issue is practical when it's entirely cultural.

You pretend the issue is practical when it's entirely cultural.

Cultural?? How so? How can you call it "cultural" when the citizens of one nation cross the international borders illegally to attempt to take up residence in the new nation and benefit from it's resources and national freebies like healthcare for the poor, etc?

Cultural? How so? And would you suggest that all nations accept any and all immigrants into it's nation without limit or control?

Baron Max

I usually don't like posting links, but here's something of interest:

http://www.heritage.org/research/immigration/SR14es.cfm

Cultural?? How so? How can you call it "cultural" when the citizens of one nation cross the international borders illegally to attempt to take up residence in the new nation and benefit from it's resources and national freebies like healthcare for the poor, etc?

Cultural? How so? And would you suggest that all nations accept any and all immigrants into it's nation without limit or control?

Baron Max

I don't hear anyone complaining about Canadian illegal immigrants, or the Swedish bikini team, just Mexicans. Also, how can you deny they contribute to the economy of this nation through their labor? They also pay taxes, sales taxes and social security, even though they can't ever get SS payments.

I HATE the idea of amnesty for illegals.
I think this is a good start:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-12-13-immigration_x.htm

Quote from Lawsuit filed against Swift:
"The lawsuit alleges that defendants including Swift and its owners engaged in an "enterprise that grossly affected commerce through a pattern of racketeering activity" in violation of the federal Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organization Act."

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/12-18-2006/0004493287&EDATE=

And dont forget those Illegals from North of the Border:
http://jonswift.blogspot.com/2006/01/canadians-other-illegal-immigrants.html

I read the last five pages of posts and still don't know what I missed.

~String

Try reading post #164.

You've made this whole thread about race. This is the kind of manipulative crap I'm talking about.

What manipulation? I don't want a bunch of non-whites who think I should move back to Europe in the country.

You unabashedly and audaciously try to flatter yourself even through me. It's very typical of white racists to think like you. You conjure and wish that others would look down on themselves which feeds your hidden contempt for others which is the lowest form of pathetic and petty slime which you are.

Don't hate me for my beautiful white skin, blue eyes and blonde hair you hater!

Hello??? I don't think your white skin is beautiful because there is tone and texture involved and I prefer asian light skin tones and textures. I have white skin and my skin will not age as fast as yours as well. I PERCEIVE us to have a unique luminosity that I don't see in others. Others have thier own appeal and beauty but I prefer ours. I LIKE the catlike eyes and high cheekbones. I ACTUALLY think asians look better, cooler and more beautiful. I don't HATE you for your "white" skin which doesn't have the tone I prefer. If you paid attention, I get angry at your arrogant attitude towards the rest of the world.

Don't hate me just because your women prefer more manly men with bigger than two inch dicks.

I'm sick and tired of hearing racially ingrained insults about slanted eyes and such which westerners have coined. I can turn it around and think privately you look like a dumbstruck albino neanderthal zombie.

I would have thought you were banned permanently after your last temper tantrum.

A very unflattering asian perspective. It's interesting anyone can be condescended to.

Now calm down, I wouldn't want you to go "Cho" on us. You should happy that your people are not going extinct and no one is pressuring Asian countries and only Asian countries to be filled with alien races in order to eliminate Asians. Shit, if you hate white people so much why don't you fuck off and leave?

I don't hear anyone complaining about Canadian illegal immigrants, or the Swedish bikini team, just Mexicans. Also, how can you deny they contribute to the economy of this nation through their labor? They also pay taxes, sales taxes and social security, even though they can't ever get SS payments.

That's because Mexicans are like 95% of all illegals.

That's because Mexicans are like 95% of all illegals.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c6/cetawayo/th_IQ.gif (http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c6/cetawayo/IQ.gif)

http://www.clubs.psu.edu/up/sayar/riqs.htm

More proof that Racists have lower IQ's then "normal" people.

That's because Mexicans are like 95% of all illegals.

Right, so let's stop talking about "immigrants", and just say Mexicans.

Right, so let's stop talking about "immigrants", and just say Mexicans.

Exactly! Anyone who lives in New York can tell you. There's a MASSIVE amount of Russian & Eastern European "Illegal" Immigrants. And they too carry a large tax burden, and commit a myriad of violent crimes.

More proof that Racists have lower IQ's then "normal" people.
I doubt that. Most likely, the well educated racists are better able to cover it up and don't admit to it on surveys since they've been exposed to the wider culture in which racism is considered bad. The uneducated racist comes right out and admits it since it's the norm within his peer group.

The idea that increasing intellegence means an increase in humanity is absurd. Intellegence is a tool that can be turned to whatever end humans desire. The Nazis applied all the skills and intellegence of a modern industrial society to genocide.

Some good news. Feds arrrested 100 illegal aliens in MO. A good start.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070523/D8P9SRB00.html

Yeah, and not too long ago, they raided a small town in the panhandle of Texas and found hundreds of illegals, plus many of them with fake id cards.

If we'd just keep up such raids, we could put a stop to the easy life the illegal immigrants have in this great nation.

Baron Max

wow this thread is filled with alot of racial love isnt it,

non white hating rednecks, and asian extreamists lol.


good show.

peace.

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http://www.clubs.psu.edu/up/sayar/riqs.htm

More proof that Racists have lower IQ's then "normal" people.

Aside from the criticism of smart people not admitting they're racist, most racists are poorer than average which forces them to live with minorities which is what makes them racist.

Rich people don't live with blacks and send their kids to private all white schools (including liberals), but they aren't "racist".

edit:

http://www.thebirdman.org/Index/Lbl/Lbl-WhyIAm.html

Among those most often thought to exhibit race "hatred" are "rednecks", "skinheads", "Archie Bunkers" and other whites from the lower economic strata who are thought to be too stupid, uneducated or otherwise unsophisticated to understand the wonders and marvels of the highbrow liberal multicultural philosophy. Such people are indeed often unsophisticated, and frequently exhibit strong negative emotions toward nonwhites, with the result that they make themselves easy targets for liberal anti-racists, who have little difficulty in holding them up to contempt. As it happens, however, the liberals are too clever by half. The very reason that lower-class whites frequently exhibit such strong negative emotions toward nonwhites is precisely because it is lower-class whites who are the first to be directly threatened by nonwhites. This is because it is those on the economic margins who cannot afford to move to the suburbs to get away from the urban decay which blacks and other minorities inevitably bring; and thus it is these lower-class whites who must contend on a daily basis with the frequently-uncivilized behavior of such minorities. What all this means, then, is that the liberals who pride themselves on "compassion" for the "poor" and the "underclass" in fact follow policies which damage poor and underclass whites, but which leave the mostly-wealthy liberals unaffected. No wonder the rednecks, skinheads and Archie Bunkers are full of hate!

The urban decay which minorities bring -- and the hate which it generates in the white underclass that has to contend with it -- is actually part of a race war which is going on not only in America, but in the entire Western world. In fact, it is really more than a race war, since groups other than races are involved: ethnic minorities, women, homosexuals, the handicapped, children, and a great many others, with yet others constantly entering the fray. This war may perhaps better be characterized as a war of political correctness versus political incorrectness, or for simplicity, the PC war. But while this war has the appearance of being fought "for" a large number of disparate groups, even cursory examination leads to the conclusion that the PC war is actually a war against the white man and Western culture which he created. This is not merely indicated by the fact that whites are constantly denigrated as "racist" by the media mavens who are pushing this war in every Western country, but also because the powers-that-be who have embraced political correctness as official policy have also embraced the notion of erasing national boundaries -- boundaries which, for all practical purposes, are the boundaries of white nations. The significance of this erasure is that it will cause the white nations -- along with their cultures and genomes -- to disappear, both because of amalgamation with other white nations and -- most importantly -- because of Turd World immigration which national boundaries will no longer be able to restrain, and which will occur as a result of the attraction of Turd-Worlders for the easier living (and especially the welfare benefits) of more wealthy societies.

wow this thread is filled with alot of racial love isnt it, non white hating rednecks, and asian extreamists lol.

Huh? Disliking or hating illegal immigrants is ...racist? When did "illegal immigrant" become a race???

Baron Max

The issue is being dragged down into racial politics, Baron, because the people proposing amnesty (on both sides of the aisle) are incapable of making a logical argument in support of it (see Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham's recent "bigot" remark).

..., because the people proposing amnesty ... are incapable of making a logical argument in support of it ....

Yeah, well, that's 'cause there ain't no logical argument for it! :D

Baron Max

I'm so sick and tired of being called racist by the libs who just don't get it. I don't care what color someone is. If they take care of their property, keep it nice/clean/neat, contribute to society/ obey our laws. and are here legally--they are more than welcome to stay.

I don't want trashy people with beater cars, cr@p in their yards, loud/noisey trouble-makers, law-breakers, or any other undesirables. Thank God they can't get into my neighborhood.

They should have their own little slums where they can all be losers together.

Call me wishy washy... but my mind on this issue has changed.

I should not have spoken up so soon without doing at least SOME research.

I think "blanken" amnesty is a bad idea. What I do believe is that there needs to be a reasonable path to legal residency that involves PROVING their contributions to the society they live in as well as demonstratable command of the English language. I believe that this opportunity has to be given to all "illegals" in the USA, currently. Anybody who can't meet that criteria should be denied legal residenc... and more importantly, the federal government should make it a federal offense to employ or give residence to any person who is in the USA illegally. Moreover, the federal legisltation has to empower and commande local law enforcement to act upon that legislation.

~String

I don't want them here. Not one single one of them. I want American valets, restaurant workers, construction workers, and all the others to get their jobs back. I want them to get a decent wage. Not be put out of a job by some freakin illegal alien who works for cheap. I want my country back. I don't care if I have to pay $2 for a head of lettuce. Get them the F out of here.:mad:

What I do believe is that there needs to be a reasonable path to legal residency that involves PROVING their contributions to the society they live in as well as demonstratable command of the English language.

You're rewarding those who have already proven that they can't or won't obey our laws and rules!

And worse, you're going to give legal status to the "criminals" while millions have been waiting and working through the legal process to become LEGAL citizens. You just push those aside and say, "Gee, sorry y'all had to do all that legal bullshit ...you should have just sneaked in like the criminals."???

Nope, rewarding bad behavior is not any good for anyone. And most good parents teach their kids that before they're one or two years old. Yet, with the sweep of your hand, you've proven that criminal acts are a good thing. Is that really what you want to teach our new citizens? ...as well as all of the rest of us citizens?

Wishy-washy? Yeah, especially when you haven't thought it through carefully and taken into account all of the legal residents who've worked so hard to become good citizens.

Wanna' rethink it some now?

Baron Max

NO. I believe it the path to legal residency... for now. I'm not stubborn. I can re-evaluate my standing on an issue, but I can't see forcing 15 million people to leave when many of them are productive. Legal or not.

~String

NO. I believe it the path to legal residency... for now. I'm not stubborn.

What is that saying to all of the people, millions, who've worked for years to become legal citizens? All that work, all that money, all those documents, all the legal fees, .......all of it for nothing? They did all that, ...but now they see criminals become citizens before they do???

I can re-evaluate my standing on an issue, but I can't see forcing 15 million people to leave when many of them are productive. Legal or not.

Force them to leave? No, just don't permit them to work or rent homes or get drivers permits, or buy cars or buy homes or ....nothing. They're criminals, they don't obey the laws of this nation now ...yet you want to reward them for all of their criminal acts. And you think that's okay????

Baron Max

I'm not sure where I stand just yet on the amnesty thing, but I read an op-ed in the Daily News which had a point I definitely agreed with. Enforce the old laws before aiming for new ones.

For anyone interested:

Be Our Guest

New immig law? Enforce old ones first

By MARK KRIKORIAN

Wednesday, May 23rd 2007, 8:14 AM

Ted Kennedy, Jon Kyl and other senators are pitching their new immigration bill as essential to regaining control of our borders.

But do we really need another major law? The Bush administration still hasn't implemented various measures passed by Congress over the past decade and refuses to take other steps that are within its power. Given this neglect, it's hard to justify yet another bill - much less a piece of legislation that will run hundreds pages in its final form - on top of the existing pile.

Let's look at a few of the initiatives already on the books that have languished in bureaucratic or political purgatory rather than getting done:

* Last year, Congress mandated the construction of more than 800 miles of additional border fencing. Only 2 miles have been built so far, and only 370 miles are scheduled to be finished by the end of next year. Wouldn't it make sense to finish all the fencing before discussing other measures?

* Back in 1996, Congress required the development of an electronic check-in/checkout system at the borders and airports. The system, known in jargon as US-VISIT, is still not done, and there are no plans to fully implement it. Only a small fraction of foreign visitors are ever checked in, since almost all Mexicans and Canadians are exempt - and an even smaller fraction are required to check out, so we can't be sure if a visitor has left.

* The Justice Department drafted a legal opinion in 2002 clarifying the right of state and local police to make arrests for violations of federal immigration law. This is vital, because the 700,000 state and local cops can serve as a force multiplier for federal authorities. But the Bush administration spiked this memo, keeping in effect a Clinton-era policy directive discouraging state and local use of immigration law.

* The Treasury Department has told banks that they may offer accounts to people with the Mexican government's illegal immigrant ID card, the "matricula consular." And the IRS gives illegal immigrants what's called an "Individual Tax Identification Number" to take the place of a Social Security number. Both of these measures help illegal immigrants embed themselves in our society - and neither one needs congressional action to change.

There's more, of course, including the administration's refusal to enforce the ban on hiring illegal immigrants until last year - a change designed to simulate toughness in the runup to the current bill. But the point of all these examples is the same: Congressional action is irrelevant until a demonstration by the President of a clear commitment to enforce the rules.

This insistence that the administration do its job isn't just whining. All these measures are part of an alternative tolegalizing illegal immigrants - a strategy sometimes called "attrition through enforcement." The goal is to enforce the law, across the board, to reduce the number of new illegal arrivals and increase thenumber of current illegals who give up and deport themselves.

The illegal population would then start shrinking from year to year, instead of constantly growing, gradually transforming what is now a crisis into a manageable nuisance.

And we can get started without Congress passing a single new law.

Krikorian is executive director of the Center for Immigration Studies, a Washington think tank.

That is one sad fact, instead of enforcing the Law as it is, the politicians just make more that they don't provide the funds to enforce any more effectively than the old laws

I'm so sick and tired of being called racist by the libs who just don't get it. I don't care what color someone is. If they take care of their property, keep it nice/clean/neat, contribute to society/ obey our laws. and are here legally--they are more than welcome to stay.

I don't want trashy people with beater cars, cr@p in their yards, loud/noisey trouble-makers, law-breakers, or any other undesirables. Thank God they can't get into my neighborhood.

They should have their own little slums where they can all be losers together.

So much for "liberal elitism", it's alive and well in the Republican camp.

That's not elitism. It's common sense. Common courtesy. It's not being a loser. It's about self-responsibility. Why do liberals have such a hard time understanding this?:confused:

I don't know Sandy, but it's the Republicans who have sold the American people out here. I hope they get trounced in the 2008 elections for ignoring conservative principles and blatantly pandering to big business interests...

Yeah... with the way things are going, and against my better wishes, I'm becoming more and more sure that we'll see Hillary in 08.

~String

I don't want them here. Not one single one of them. I want American valets, restaurant workers, construction workers, and all the others to get their jobs back. I want them to get a decent wage. Not be put out of a job by some freakin illegal alien who works for cheap. I want my country back. I don't care if I have to pay $2 for a head of lettuce. Get them the F out of here.:mad:Every economic analysis has shown that immigrants--legal or illegal--do not take jobs from Americans. Three of the four states with the highest rate of illegal immigration have the lowest unemployment rates in America.

In California, we cannot find anyone--anyone--to do yard work. We finally had to pay some jerk who works at the feed store for minimum wage $15 an hour to come and mow our lawn, using our mower! And now he decided that's not enough money, he wants $20. All the American "workers" want to spend all their time fishing or getting high or both. My wife is home alone and despite being far too old to mow an acre of rugged terrain with a 300-pound tractor-wheeled drag-behind field and brush mower, she started doing it herself out of desperation, taking two or three days to finish. Finally, finally, the Mexicans moved far enough north that we have some in Eureka. They happily do the job for $10 an hour and they think we're crazy rich folks for paying so well.

American kids are all too snobby to do real work. They all believe they're going to grow up to be investment bankers, even though no one in this country under 30 can make change for a dollar without a POS terminal.

I have a friend here in Maryland who wanted to finish his basement. A quick-and-dirty job, just clean it up and hang some drywall. A union contractor bid ten thousand dollars on the job! He rented a truck, picked up four Salvadoreños, drove them to Home Depot to pick up the drywall, and they did the whole job in one day. He handed them a thousand dollars cash and they just shuffled around and looked embarrassed and insisted that their work wasn't worth more than a hundred bucks a day each. They finally compromised on $800.

A guy who runs a gardening business in D.C. got a complaint from a local church that all of his workers were Latinos. (He's black and so are the church people.) He said that over the past few years he hasn't been able to hire an American who would show up for work reliably and sober, and then stay on the job for more than a few weeks. He was running himself ragged training them. Now he's got a crew who has been on the job for a year, and a foreman who's so responsible that he'll be able to take over the day-to-day supervision and let the owner ease into the retirement he has earned.

Immigrants aren't taking jobs from Americans. They're doing work that Americans are too lazy, irresponsible, stoned, unreliable, or in many cases untrained, to do.

Sandy, you need to stop playing so fast and loose with the truth. And if you claim to represent your religion, you're making an ass of yourself and an ass of Jesus. I wonder if that's what you set out to do?

Of course they have the lowest unemployment rates. Duh. The illegal aliens are taking all the jobs. Do you hate Americans/America THAT much that you would hire illegal aliens who have BROKEN OUR LAWS to get/stay here:confused:

Yes there are some stupid, lazy, stoned Americans. Some people call them liberals.

The Bible says to obey laws. And to honor/pray for our leaders.

I live by the Bible.

Oh, and wait until those illegal aliens move into your neighborhood. Go take a peek at L.A. for a preview. I'd start packing now.

Another illegal alien has raped/sodomized an American child and fled back to Mexico. When are we going to say enough is enough? When are we going to lock our borders and prevent these perverts from harming our children?

http://www.myfoxcolorado.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=3289942&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.4.1

NIV Luke 18:9 To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everybody else, Jesus told this parable: 10 "Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11 The Pharisee stood up and prayed about himself: 'God, I thank you that I am not like other men—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.'

13 "But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, 'God, have mercy on me, a sinner.'

14 "I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted."

This thread is about illegal aliens.

Another illegal alien has raped/sodomized an American child and fled back to Mexico. When are we going to say enough is enough? When are we going to lock our borders and prevent these perverts from harming our children?
When was the last time you posted a link to an American doing this sort of thing? Or doesn't that count as perverted?
Sick is sick. Nationality is nothing to do with it.

This thread is about illegal aliens.

Ohhhh!
Because Jesus didn't specifically mention "illegal aliens" by name, that quote doesn't apply.
I get it, now.

Perhaps I won't bother digging up all the quotes about hypocricy, since they don't mention "illegal aliens", either.
Perhaps quotes about loving your neighbors and not judging?
Nope, no mention of "illegal aliens" there either.

You truly are doing God's work.
Jesus must be so proud.

In California, we cannot find anyone--anyone--to do yard work. We finally had to pay some jerk who works at the feed store
for minimum wage $15 an hour to come and mow our lawn, using our mower! And now he decided that's not enough money, he
wants $20. All the American "workers" want to spend all their time fishing or getting high or both. My wife is home alone
and despite being far too old to mow an acre of rugged terrain with a 300-pound tractor-wheeled drag-behind field and brush
mower, she started doing it herself out of desperation, taking two or three days to finish. Finally, finally, the Mexicans
moved far enough north that we have some in Eureka. They happily do the job for $10 an hour and they think we're crazy rich
folks for paying so well.

Cripes! My gramma paid neighbor kids $20 to mow her lawn and it was a flat 1/2 acre piece. And they used her mower. But the guy at the feed store is a jerk in your opinion. Ya think maybe his opinion of you is equal?

Of course, you always had the option of mowing LESS of your yard. Toss out some packets of native vegitation and call it wildflowers.

I am in a different region but I have hired lots of local kids and adults needing some extra cash to do jobs for $10 an hour and they are here, happy, and work their tails off. Hard work. Construction, including roofing, drywall, insulation, wiring, land renovation, digging up trees, and a whole bunch more....

And I can toss out numbers of other people who hire local kids (and adults) to work for them, whos experience is equal to mine.


I have a friend here in Maryland who wanted to finish his basement. A quick-and-dirty job, just clean it up and hang some
drywall. A union contractor bid ten thousand dollars on the job! He rented a truck, picked up four Salvadoreños, drove them
to Home Depot to pick up the drywall, and they did the whole job in one day. He handed them a thousand dollars cash and
they just shuffled around and looked embarrassed and insisted that their work wasn't worth more than a hundred bucks a day
each. They finally compromised on $800.


He got ONE bid and therefore life sucks?? Of course the contractor has to pay insurance, taxes, health care benefits, retirement funds, vacation, licensing for the business and vehicals, and a host of other benefits that the illegals avoid, which again adds to the burden on the legal citizen.


A guy who runs a gardening business in D.C. got a complaint from a local church that all of his workers were Latinos. (He's
black and so are the church people.) He said that over the past few years he hasn't been able to hire an American who would
show up for work reliably and sober, and then stay on the job for more than a few weeks. He was running himself ragged
training them. Now he's got a crew who has been on the job for a year, and a foreman who's so responsible that he'll be
able to take over the day-to-day supervision and let the owner ease into the retirement he has earned.

This guy shouldnt get too relaxed in his 'retirement'. First thing these guys are gonna do after amnesty is sue him for back wages, ssi, vacation, and all the other benefits hes been putting into his retirement account. Good thing he trained the foreman so well. It will be easier for the foreman to run the business once he takes it over after winning his lawsuit. Oh, and THEN the IRS will be looking for their cut. As will the district.

Another illegal alien has raped/sodomized an American child and fled back to Mexico. When are we going to say enough is enough? When are we going to lock our borders and prevent these perverts from harming our children?

http://www.myfoxcolorado.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=3289942&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.4.1

So now Mexicans are perverts? When you you going to come out of the closet as a racist?

Illegal immigration is largely the result of Republican trade policies that reduce jobs in Mexico.

So now Mexicans are perverts? When you you going to come out of the closet as a racist?

That isn't what she said, Spider, and you know it. Why make such an issue out of that when you know damned well that wasn't what she meant?

I still, really, don't know why y'all have such a problem with the word "illegal"? I mean, does any other nation on Earth allow persons from other nations to cross their borders illegally? And then, worse, to have every other nation on Earth expect them to feed, cloth and house them, plus give the free medical care??

Baron Max

It appears pansy-@ss Republicans have caved in to democrats demands for amnesty for up to 50 milliion illegal aliens.

I think I'm going to be sick.
Did you know a lot of those "illegal" aliens are Christians?

Oh geezz! God must HATE those fucking Christians, eh!?!? :bugeye:

Their housing food and clothing are not subsidized by us. Sandy pointed to one pervert and extrapolated that all Mexicans are like this. That's nothing but racism.

Their housing food and clothing are not subsidized by us.

Allowing them to work and earn money IS subsidizing them! They're illegals, they should NOT be permitted employment.

Sandy pointed to one pervert and extrapolated that all Mexicans are like this. That's nothing but racism.

You read it the way you wanted to read it, not what she said or meant.

I still, really, don't know why y'all have such a problem with the word "illegal"? I mean, does any other nation on Earth allow persons from other nations to cross their borders illegally? And then, worse, to have every other nation on Earth expect them to feed, cloth and house them, plus give the free medical care??

Baron Max

I still, really, don't know why y'all have such a problem with the word "illegal"?

The fact that it allows people to completely disregard, write-off and villainize millions of people as a single entity without actually giving any thought to the individuals as human beings.
It doesn't matter if they are honest - THEY'RE ILLEGALS!
It doesn't matter if they work hard - THEY'RE ILLEGALS!
It doesn't matter if they are escaping persecution - THEY'RE ILLEGALS!
It doesn't matter if they have never taken a DIME in government handouts - THEY'RE ILLEGALS!
It doesn't matter whether or not the immigration laws are fair and just - THEY'RE ILLEGALS!

It's really no different than racism or any other form of oppression and prejudice.

It looks like they are too brainwashed to understand that, one_raven... Sad sad.... :bawl:

How is stating a fact about millions of people villainizing them?

It's not my fault these people are lawbreakers, who entered this country illegally and then continued to duck the law at the same time they were cashing in on my nation's social welfare programs. So, yes. I'm sorry. The law does matter. I don't like people who break it. And I especially don't like my taxes being used to enable the people who break it.

There is a lot wrong with the statement that illegal immigration is "largely the result of Republican trade policies that reduce jobs in Mexico."

For starters, the US can and should make trade policies that favor it. In other words, it's not our government's job to make policy that helps Mexico, that's the Mexican government's job. Mexico is basically a failed state. It is corrupt on every level of government and has large tracts of its landmass that are run by Narcotic gangs. The only thing that keeps it from totally falling off the proverbial cliff is a combination of American tourism and all the dollars the illegals send back, dollars which represent a significant chunk of the county's cash flow.

Secondly, if this was all about stuff we've done to reduce Mexican jobs, how does that explain all of the Central and South Americans and Middle Easterners who've flocked to this country illegally in the last decade or two? Are we screwing all of the countries in those regions, too?

Here's two things the pro-immigration crowd need to speak to in order for me to understand their position a little better.

1. Do they believe in the notion of sovereignty at all?

2. What worth do they think illegal immigrants, largely from Latin America, are adding to the nation? In other words, ignore the sentimental arguments and put forward a logical argument how are these people are making the country a better place to live, and when doing so, please come up with something a little more compelling than cheap fruit and lawn cuttings...

How is stating a fact about millions of people villainizing them?

It's not my fault these people are lawbreakers, who entered this country illegally and then continued to duck the law at the same time they were cashing in on my nation's social welfare programs.

Did you realize that you answered your own question immediately after asking it?
Of course you don't. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/one_raven/rotz.gif

So it's villainous to make a set of factual statements about illegal immigrants?

1. My position is not pro-illegal immigration.

2. Our nation is exploiting these people as much if not more than they are exploiting us.

3. For starters, the US can and should make trade policies that favor it.I agree, but our policies hardly favor the average American if it leads to lower wages here. Mexican farmers can no longer farm for profit when American corporate agriculture can undercut them.

In 2000, U.S. government subsidies to the corn sector totaled $10.1 billion, a figure ten times greater than the total Mexican agricultural budget that year. (http://www.oxfam.org/en/files/pp030827_corn_dumping.pdf)

4. Are we screwing all of the countries in those regions, too?Yes.

5. 1. Do they believe in the notion of sovereignty at all?Yes, but NAFTA undermines that notion. Yes, Clinton is also partly to blame.

Their housing food and clothing are not subsidized by us. Sandy pointed to one pervert and extrapolated that all Mexicans are like this. That's nothing but racism.

http://www.silverbearcafe.com/private/tomatoes.html

The Price of Cheap Labor

From a California school teacher...

As you listen to the news about the student protests over illegal immigration, there are some things that you should be aware of:

I am in charge of the English-as-a-second-language department at a large southern California high school which is designated a Title 1 school, meaning that its students average lower socioeconomic and income levels.

Most of the schools you are hearing about, South Gate High, Bell Gardens, Huntington Park, etc., where these students are protesting, are also Title 1 schools.

Title 1 schools are on the free breakfast and free lunch program. When I say free breakfast, I'm not talking a glass of milk and roll -- but a full breakfast and cereal bar with fruits and juices that would make a Marriott proud. The waste of this food is monumental, with trays and trays of it being dumped in the trash uneaten. (OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK)

I estimate that well over 50% of these students are obese or at least moderately overweight. About 75% or more DO have cell phones. The school also provides day care centers for the unwed teenage pregnant girls (some as young as 13) so they can attend class without the inconvenience of having to arrange for babysitters or having family watch their kids. (OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK)

I was ordered to spend $700,000 on my department or risk losing funding for the upcoming year even though there was little need for anything; my budget was already substantial. I ended up buying new computers for the computer learning center, half of which, one month later, have been carved with graffiti by the appreciative students who obviously feel humbled and grateful to have a free education in America. (OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK)

I have had to intervene several times for young and substitute teachers whose classes consist of many illegal immigrant students here in the country less then 3 months who raised so much hell with the female teachers, calling them "Putas" (whores) and throwing things that the teachers were in tears.

Free medical, free education, free food, day care etc., etc., etc. Is it any wonder they feel entitled to not only be in this country but to demand rights, privileges and entitlements?

To those who want to point out how much these illegal immigrants contribute to our society because they LIKE their gardener and housekeeper and they like to pay less for tomatoes: spend some time in the real world of illegal immigration and see the TRUE costs.

Higher insurance, medical facilities closing, higher medical costs, more crime, lower standards of education in our schools, overcrowding, new diseases etc., etc, etc. For me, I'll pay more for tomatoes.

We need to wake up. The guest worker program will be a disaster because we won't have the guts to enforce it.
Does anyone in their right mind really think they will voluntarily leave and return?

There are many hardworking Hispanic/American citizens that contribute to our country and many that I consider my true friends. We should encourage and accept those Hispanics who have done it the right and legal way.

It does, however, have everything to do with culture: A third-world culture that does not value education, that accepts children getting pregnant and dropping out of school by 15 and that refuses to assimilate, and an American culture that has become so weak and worried about "politically correct" that we don't have the will to do anything about it.

CHEAP LABOR?

Isn't that what the whole immigration issue is about?

Business doesn't want to pay a decent wage.

Consumers don't want expensive produce.

Government will tell you Americans don't want the jobs.

But the bottom line is cheap labor. The phrase "cheap labor" is a myth, a farce, and a lie. there is no such thing as "cheap labor."

Take, for example, an illegal alien with a wife and five children. He takes a job for $5.00 or $6.00/hour. At that wage, with six dependents, he pays no income tax, yet at the end of the year, if he files an Income Tax Return, he gets an "earned income credit" of up to $3,200 free.

He qualifies for Section 8 housing and subsidized rent.

He qualifies for food stamps.

He qualifies for free (no deductible, no co-pay) health care.

His children get free breakfasts and lunches at school.

He requires bilingual teachers and books.

He qualifies for relief from high energy bills.

If they are or become, aged, blind or disabled, they qualify for SSI. Once qualified for SSI they can qualify for Medicare.

All of this is at taxpayer's expense.

He doesn't worry about car insurance, life insurance, or homeowners insurance.

Taxpayers provide Spanish language signs, bulletins and printed material.

He and his family receive the equivalent of $20.00 to $30.00/hour in benefits.

Working Americans are lucky to have $5.00 or $6.00/hour left after paying their bills and his.

The American taxpayer's also pay for increased crime, graffiti and trash clean-up.

If this makes your blood boil, as it did mine, forward this to everyone you know.

Cheap labor? YEAH RIGHT! Wake up people!

A good post Spider, but if NAFTA were really such a problem then we'd be getting a heck of a lot more Canadians flooding across our borders. The reason we're not is Canada isn't a failed state the way Mexico is. The reason the Mexicans are coming is not because of low wages at home (they get low wages here), it's because there are no jobs and no wages, plus the services (health care, education, etc.) of our government far surpass Mexico's. Again, the same can't be said of Canada, so the Canucks are staying home.

I agree with you that "our nation is exploiting these people as much if not more than they are exploiting us," but that has little to do with whether they should be here.

I honestly can't say I know enough about American trade policy to say whether "our policies hardly favor the average American if it leads to lower wages here." I do think it's rather obvious that having Mexicans here cuts into the low wage market, though. Consider that 50 years ago Americans were doing all these jobs the Mexicans are doing now, because they paid a decent wage. A major part of the reason they no longer do so is precisely because the Mexicans came here in numbers large enough to drive the wages down...

"Mexican farmers can no longer farm for profit when American corporate agriculture can undercut them."

So what. That's not our responsibility. That's the global market at work. There are plenty of industries, such as the textile industry, where America is getting clobbered for the same sort of reasons. That's just business, you know? And besides, American farmers are having a rough time, too, or hadn't you noticed...

"In 2000, U.S. government subsidies to the corn sector totaled $10.1 billion, a figure ten times greater than the total Mexican agricultural budget that year."

That's because politicians of both parties lack the courage to stand up to the farmers. Plus, see my ethanol thread. A lot of bogus science is now funneling money into to corn to pay for a dubious new "energy source."

Who here has never--

-- "experimented" with drugs?
-- conducted a vehicle after consuming alcohol?
-- shoplifted?
-- been in a fistfight?
-- sneaked a smoke before legal age?
-- sneaked a drink before legal age?
-- driven above the speed limit?
-- made up an excuse to get out of a traffic ticket?
-- parked too far away from the curb, too close to the corner or hydrant, or in a handicap-use zone?
-- driven a bicycle through a crosswalk?
-- copped a feel in a crowded place?
-- smoked twelve feet outside the door instead of twenty-five? (A Seattle thing.)
-- had sex or sexual contact in public?
-- walked naked about the house with the curtains open?
-- pissed in an alley, behind a tree, &c.?

Anyone who cannot answer No to every one of these questions and a host more are lawbreakers.

That established, does the fact that I am an American and Juan Q. Pueblo of Mexican or Salvadoran origin mean I have more rights when accused of a crime than he does? In the broader sense, what part of the Constitution is specifically withheld, and how do we decide?

One of the things so many seem to have trouble understanding is that when you set lofty goals for your nation and its honor, one must strive to achieve lofty goals.

We like to talk about the land of opportunity and all, but if the legal path to citizenship weren't so ridiculous in the first place, maybe the illegal wouldn't look so damn necessary. These are human beings, and the fact that they come from Mexico or Guatemala doesn't change their humanity.

In the wake of a recent shooting, the biggest story to come forth so far is that the University of Washington refuses to reconsider its security policies, such that they have refused to get involved in another stalking case taking place on campus. Absolutely nobody is howling about immigration. Apparently being in the country illegally only matters during your multiple arrests for DUI, domestic violence, and violation of a no-contact order if you're not British.

This is the sort of thing that makes us wonder about the anti-immigration folks. Here you have a classic example of the dangers of our immigration gaps, and because the guy is British, and not Mexican, nobody seems to care. When it seems the only point is to pick on the Mexicans, how can the racists expect anything other than a hearty two fingers in response?

I love this story. I'll do it as a script. Really, I've had this conversation.

J: I gotta tell you about work today. So, anyway, the Mexicans are all standing around ....

T: They're not all Mexicans.

J: Huh?

T: Well, you always call them "the Mexicans", and they're not all from Mexico, you know. You talk about the other places they're from Why--?

J: I know. There are Cuban Mexicans at my work, too.

T: (astonished silence) ....

And yet, more than that, what amazed me about so many of these conversations was the idea that whatever anyone else did (Americans of any color, the folks in from India, &c.), if an hispanic did the same thing, it turned into a story about "the Mexicans", as in, all the Mexicans including those from Venezuela, Cuba, and the Philippines.

Really, wasting time on the clock is wasting time on the clock. Legal or illegal, Mexican or British, does it really matter? Especially when all the American whites are wasting the same time?

In the end, "America" is supposed to stand for liberty and justice for all. It is also supposed to stand for opportunity. For all. As long as we continue to play as if the world is composed of exclusive little clubs all competing with each other, our concerns will remain reflectingly petty.

Wow I've read both sides of this and I can conclude you Americans are really really FUCKED.

You really are gearing up for a reckoning huh? Racism, oh booohoo no one will mow my lawn for cheap, heavy nationalism, WEAKNESS...excuse me I must go buy some more bullion...

I never 'extrapolated' anything. This is a thread about illegal aliens and what they're doing to my country. I never said I hated anyone. I do hate what they're doing to my country.:mad:

You can knock off the racist accusations because they are pathetic and untrue. I don't care if the people are white or green, they're ILLEGAL! They broke the law to get here and they break laws while they're here.:mad:

The link was just one of thousands of stories about illegals trashing my country. I'm fed up and want them gone.:mad:

America does not and is not supposed to stand for liberty and justice for all. Those words, which you so freely and dishonestly pilfer from our founding documents, apply to American citizens, not the citizens of the world. And while American does in some fashion stand for opportunity, a vague an nebulous term so far as this debate is concerned, the circumstances and criteria in this country for that opportunity does not excuse foreign natives from ignoring our laws and violating our national sovereignty in order to illicitly enrich themselves.

Your response, as is the response of all the pro-immigration ilk, is to posit empty sentimental arguments about "rights" and "opportunities" that are not owed anyone or to churn up the sort of hogwash you spew when you ramble on about excusing lawbreaking with other lawbreaking, which is patently illogical. What difference does it make if some Americans at some point in time have broken one of the laws? That doesn't mean those laws shouldn't be enforced or that our laws aren't applicable to people from other countries who come here and break, and in doing so, break them. You establish nothing with such spacious logic, and you seem equally ignorant of American law, or law in general, when you say "does the fact that I am an American ... mean I have more rights when accused of a crime than he does?" Yes, it does. The Constitution was written for and applies to American citizens. If you're not an American citizen you very obviously have less rights, as is easily proven by the fact that the government can deport or refuse entry to whomever the state department wants.

"If the legal path to citizenship weren't so ridiculous in the first place, maybe the illegal wouldn't look so damn necessary." This statement presumes three things. First, it presumes the process is ridiculous, which it isn't. Second, it seems to suggest that if it's tough to follow the law, one doesn't have to bother doing so. Third, it also seems to suggest we should just do away with any and all sort standards and let everyone with a pair of shoes into this country, regardless of their past or utility to our national interests. Again, I need an argument, at some point, as to why letting these people in, and letting them in numbers that have never been seen before in any nation anywhere, benefits the US. And that argument needs to be more persuasive than "these are human beings, and the fact that they come from Mexico or Guatemala doesn't change their humanity." No, it doesn't. But being "human" isn't enough to get into this nation or any other that I know of, nor should it be. Christ, there has to be some sort of criteria, and the funny thing is, at the same time we're letting all these fruit pickers and lawnmowers into this country, The Economist reported that Bill Gates is currently lobbying the government to speed up its legal immigration process, because the amount of educated people going through the legal process who are trying to get into this country isn't enough. But you don't see these sort of people in the streets "demanding" things, and you certainly don't see liberal crying for them and doing everything they can to get them over here. Why not I wonder?

nietzschefan, the situation is no better in Europe.

They've been letting in people for years and are experiencing many of the problems America is facing and will be facing more in the future, which is precisely why nations like France and Germany are taking a serious look at their "open borders" policy. To put it bluntly, they're going bankrupt and don't seem to enjoy dealing with riots from Muslims.

Hire the illegals to stand arm-in-arm as a human fence along the Mexican border. Any immigrant who can run and break through the line gets to stay and become a citizen. It can be a reality show.

How is stating a fact about millions of people villainizing them?

It's not my fault these people are lawbreakers, who entered this country illegally and then continued to duck the law at the same time they were cashing in on my nation's social welfare programs.
They are NOT helped by the social welfare program!!! Illegal immigrants are notg elegible for that! Think about it! If you were in a country "illegally", would you go to a government office and ask "can I have some money, please?" :bugeye:

Btw, what makes them "illegal"?
:bugeye:

These are human beings, and the fact that they come from Mexico or Guatemala doesn't change their humanity.
I wish ALL americans thought like that... :(

This world would be a much better place... :bawl:

I never 'extrapolated' anything. This is a thread about illegal aliens and what they're doing to my country. I never said I hated anyone. I do hate what they're doing to my country.:mad:
What they are doing to your country?

You can knock off the racist accusations because they are pathetic and untrue. I don't care if the people are white or green, they're ILLEGAL! They broke the law to get here and they break laws while they're here.:mad:
So you blindly accept a random law some random prick made?

The link was just one of thousands of stories about illegals trashing my country. I'm fed up and want them gone.:mad:
How are they trashing your country?

America does not and is not supposed to stand for liberty and justice for all. Those words, which you so freely and dishonestly pilfer from our founding documents, apply to American citizens, not the citizens of the world.
Of course! Fuck the rest of the world! Fuck them! If we can enslave them to work for us for free, then let's doing, because they are not fucking americans, therefore, they are not fucking human and no fucking deserving of anything good! :bugeye:

Hire the illegals to stand arm-in-arm as a human fence along the Mexican border. Any immigrant who can run and break through the line gets to stay and become a citizen. It can be a reality show.
Let's call Faux TV!

I've posted the same thing a dozen times. Illegal aliens are:

Destroying neighborhoods.
Cr@pping on our produce, sickening/killing us.
Molesting/killing our children.
Killing/maiming us in (mostly DUI) accidents.
Bringing eradicated diseases back.
Bankrupting our hospitals.
Stealing our IDs. Ruining our credit.
Bankrupting our schools.
Filling our jails.
Using up our welfare systems for OUR citizens.
And the list goes on.

WE DON'T WANT THEM HERE. THEY ARE PARASITES AND NEED TO GO HOME!

They are NOT helped by the social welfare program!!!

Yes, they are helped by many social programs ...not the least of which is medical care at hospital emergency rooms, where it's illegal for the hospital to even ask for identity papers or legal status.

Think about it! If you were in a country "illegally", would you go to a government office and ask "can I have some money, please?"

Did you know that in most cities, according to our idiotic liberal laws, the cops can't even ask for identity papers or legal status? If the illegals are in a traffic accident, the cops can't arrest them for being illegal immigrants.

Btw, what makes them "illegal"?

You don't know that??!! Yet you're trying to argue for them?!

Baron Max

Of course! Fuck the rest of the world! Fuck them! If we can enslave them to work for us for free, then let's doing, because they are not fucking americans, therefore, they are not fucking human and no fucking deserving of anything good!

If America is responsibile for the rights of the people of all nations, then your rant seems to be a damned good reason for the USA to invade practically every country in the world in order to ensure freedom and human rights for all of the people of the world. Interesting, TS, don't you think so?

Baron Max

I've posted the same thing a dozen times.

WE DON'T WANT THEM HERE. THEY ARE PARASITES AND NEED TO GO HOME!

Yes, your vitriol and hatred have been noted.

You just don't get it. You never will. Or maybe you will once they destroy your neighborhood. I'd start packing now if I was you.