Hey everybody, I'm really interested to know what Qorl has to say abour crop circles, so I thought I'd start a thread where he could discuss them. Over to you, Qorl!

Read all.

http://www.dcccs.org/the_alien_at_c..._farm_house.htm

Read all.

http://www.dcccs.org/the_alien_at_c..._farm_house.htm

Dead link, and I can't find the story from the home page.

So please, post some more links about crop circles, I can't get enough!.

Seeing as the home page is devoted to 'crop circles' and we know they are man made, I guess it's all horse puckey anyway, and there is no relevance.

How do WE know that they're all man made?

How do WE know that they're all man made?
yes, how??....whys it that you poo poos always seem to love the word 'ALL'. you have an experience---so that meansALL othes experiences were likemyours. you have outed a UFO hoaxer so that means to you ALL EVER UFO sighrtings etc are hoaxes
whats wid u and your 'ALL' shit..?!

Can you show me one that is not man made?

Can you show me one that is not man made?

Can you prove to me/show evidence that they are ALL man-made?

Can you prove to me/show evidence that they are ALL man-made?
Welll that is just stupid. I guess this is what I should expect from you ms duendy.

Can you show me evidence that every santa claus sighting is just men with fake beards? No? Well then he exists then. Right?

Logic is not your specialty.

I just want to see one crop circle that is made by aliens or vortexes. This is a perfectly reasonable request.

Did I say 'all'? I don't think I did.


It was implied by the lack of the words "some" or "most". If you make a statement like "we know they are man made" there's no indication or opening for the possibility that a few may have alternate causes, and so it's very easy to assume that you meant every last one of them.

Anyway, the crop circle thing is old news, and well, known to be the work of dedicated hoaxers.

And some flying saucers are known to be piloted by little men. See? I can make proclamations also!

I just want to see one crop circle that is made by aliens or vortexes. This is a perfectly reasonable request.

How can you be sure you haven't? How can you be sure you would be able to tell in the first place?

This is a perfectly reasonable question.

How can you be sure you haven't? How can you be sure you would be able to tell in the first place?

This is a perfectly reasonable question.
We know that humans are capable of making crop circles. It has been demonstrated.

How do we know that there are crop circles that are not man made?



(This thread wasn't supposed to be about crop circles but anyway ...)

We know that humans are capable of making crop circles. It has been demonstrated.

How do we know that there are crop circles that are not man made?


We know that humans are capable of making counterfeit money. It has been demonstrated. Therefore all money is counterfeited? Sounds stupid? Who cares??? :p

I don't think we should discuss this anymore. It's not proper. Because in very short order (very very short order), the debate will arrive at the stalemate caused by accusations of deception and lying. At that point, anything that would suggest an explanation of crop-circles other than human handiwork becomes irrelevant, because the claim of fraud is the most failsafe of all arguments when it comes to anything paranormal.
Just call the person a liar or a charlatan, and don't move from your position. TRUST ME! It works like a little charmer!

Am I psychic? Maybe. All I know is that my prediction would probably come true relatively quickly.

(This thread wasn't supposed to be about crop circles but anyway ...)

Exactly. Which is the second reason I will say nothing further.

And a need for it to be cleaned up afterwards

Can you show me one that is not man made?

Try this ones.

phlogistician

It was not dead link yesterday.
http://mmmgroup.altervista.org/e-crab.html
http://thecropcirclewebsite.50megs.com/page56.htm
http://comunidad.ciudad.com.ar/argentina/capital_federal/modemhelp/child.htm

Do research than speak as much as you wish. Peace.


Copy from net;
-Beams of light filmed prior the crop circle at same site. One beam was witnessed by local resident.
-The plants appear to be subjected to a short and intense burst of heat which softens the stems to drop just above the ground at 90º, where they reharden into their new and very permanent position without damage. Plant biologists are baffled by this feature, and it is the singlemost method of identifying the real phenomenon.
Click on site;
http://www.lovely.clara.net/education.html

Am I psychic? Maybe. All I know is that my prediction would probably come true relatively quickly

heh
you are familiar with the players, ja?
a single track on loop.

So, this is a request to people who do post images and who make statements and claims. Please try and include a similar level of detail as found in the above article. Time, date, place, description/explanation of items involved, because as we can plainly see, without such, it's very easy to jump to conclusions.

this is supposed to be scientific? this is the methodology of image forensics? time/date and location? kinda like a/s/l?

so ahh
what are your qualifications?

duendy, Giambattist, Gustav;
Check out my links, this ones are more than real.

Actually the picture does not disprove the possibility of photographs for single-flying objects, or flying objects flying in formation when such an optical illusion would not occur. Common sense.

Neither of which being either stated, nor infact even suggested by phlogistician as being the case in the initial post to which you refer - some could say even commoner sense, being as it's clearly written in black and white - but I suppose that does require one to actually bother to read, doesn't it?

Just a point for those not listening:

This thread is not about "Corncircles", it's about the relationship of two very Identified planes looking like they were going to collide, however maintaining 1000m's distance (I believe its termed as "Trafficing", Planes are often given different Altitudes to circle airports while waiting clearance for a free runway/landing. It's more noticable during busy holiday times like Before/After the New Year and other breaks)

I take it this thread was extracted from some other thread. If so, where is the mention of these two planes? All very confusing.

duendy, Giambattist, Gustav;
Check out my links, this ones are more than real.

Okay, Qorl Qastle. I'll check them out in a little while, since you mentioned me by name.

heh
you are familiar with the players, ja?
a single track on loop.

Oh, THAT song?

What does the title of this thread even mean, anyway? "On the importance of evidence, and its correct interpretation"?

Is this solely about airplanes? Is there some over-arching moral?

Degeneration is what I call this. I will no longer be a part of it.

Cheers. :)

Giovanni

Just a point for those not listening:


This thread has been edited!

The original statement about cropcircles has disappeared. And in fact, I think it was Phlogistician who originally mentioned cropcircles. But you know, hey! Guess WTF??? We'll never know, now that someone has edited several of the posts! Well, WTF do you know? I guess it's another one of those crazy mysteries!


Originally Posted by phlogistician
Did I say 'all'? I don't think I did.

What happened to the post here that I originally quoted? I can't find it.
Why did it disappear?

Giambattista, the original thread included a link to the BBC News, and a story about two aircraft which were photographed having an apparent near miss. Turns out though, that one aircraft was much larger than the other, and it was appeared to be a near miss.

16 people viewed the thread, and nobody replied.

Qorl then tangentially posted a link to some crop circle web site, and people started talking about crop circles. I was rather annoyed the thread had been hijacked.

I've since deleted my original post as nobody wanted to discuss that anyway, it seems.

So screw it. If people would rather talk about crop circles, rather the interpretation of evidence, carry on!

Oh, sorry, but no one would ever know since the thread was altered in such a manner.

I'm done talking here. And I'm sure the world will be better for it.

phlogistician
I'm interested what you have to say, check out my links.

phlogistician
I'm interested what you have to say, check out my links.

I don't give a rats ass about your links. I'm pissed off at you for hijacking my thread.

......., Gustav;
Check out my links, this ones are more than real.

what are you wearing?

/pant

Can you show me evidence that every santa claus sighting is just men with fake beards? No? Well then he exists then. Right?

Logic is not your specialty.

I just want to see one crop circle that is made by aliens or vortexes. This is a perfectly reasonable request.

You're not really this stupid are you? :rolleyes:

And for the record, I have never speculated that ANY Crop Circle was made by an alien intelligence.

neither have i
all i thought was they look neat ;)

I don't give a rats ass about your links. I'm pissed off at you for hijacking my thread.

With the help of all peoples Alien God, I hijack your thread. I know you don't give a thing about my sites. Why? Because you are not able to see things from a different prospective. Check out my links, read everything and I Promise I will Not bother you ever again. I will know if you will.
Peace!

Gustav
A Crown.

all hail the mighty qorl!

/bows

I'm pissed off at you for hijacking my thread.

the alleged crackpot is calm whilst the known pseudo is freaking out
the irony

Just a point for those not listening:

This thread is not about "Corncircles", it's about the relationship of two very Identified planes looking like they were going to collide, however maintaining 1000m's distance (I believe its termed as "Trafficing", Planes are often given different Altitudes to circle airports while waiting clearance for a free runway/landing. It's more noticable during busy holiday times like Before/After the New Year and other breaks)

No. This thread is not about the two planes either, but an attempt to slander any viable or potential credibility for photographed anomaly. The gist of the thread's intent is: See, UFO photographs are certainly optical illusions because you can't rely on photographs. Evidence? This article.

Key quote from the article: 'But a spokesman for DHL said photographs could be "incredibly deceptive".'

The article. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4660644.stm)

The photograph. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/06/uk_enl_1138567284/img/1.jpg)

So Qorl's introductory of photographed crop circles lend an interesting contraposition: photographed crop circles that don't fly.

Meanwhile,
Right Said Fred.

meanwhile

excellent inference of motives
i stand in awe

So Qorl's introductory of photographed crop circles lend an interesting contraposition: photographed crop circles that don't fly.

Which equally, I hate to point out the blindingly obvious, don't either dictate, require or demand an exclusively extraterrestrial explanation in order to explain them in the slightest.

I love the title of this thread!

"On the importance of evidence, and it's correct interpretation"

I would rephrase it a bit though:

"On the importance of evidence, and how to interpret it"

A subtle difference maybe.

Does anyone here have the faintest idea about how to regard various types of evidence? How to rank the importance of evidence? How to think about evidence? I would say most have absolutely no clue.

Photographs alone are second only to eyewitness testimony in their uselessness. Please reflect on why this is. Does anyone know why this is?

Any evidence that can be easily attributed to human causes should be. Invoking extraordinary explanations for crop circles is a good example. We now know that many crop circles are made by humans. Without direct and multiple lines of additional repeatable observations and evidence, all such circles are easily explained as human artistic expression.

What motive does anyone have to postulate incredible explanations for crop circles other than to satisfy their need for mystery and fantasy in their lives?

I can't wait to see the arguments against this reasoning.

No. This thread is not about the two planes either,

I beg to differ, as it was my thread, until it got Hijacked! The thread was intended to get reasonable people to look at that photograph. I'm sure most people would look at it and also think there was a near miss. But that was not the case.


but an attempt to slander any viable or potential credibility for photographed anomaly.

Here you miss the point of the thread entirely. The only reason photographs show 'anomalies' is because of the way they are intepreted! Why is it we only see single blurry photos of supposed UFOs? Because a consistent flight pattern (and rememeber what the 'F' in U.F.O. stands for, please) is never observed, nor photographed (and is harder to hoax). Videos of such alleged phenomena are always sadly lacking any context. (evidence of actual motion, foreground objects for size comparison, etc)


The gist of the thread's intent is: See, UFO photographs are certainly optical illusions because you can't rely on photographs. Evidence? This article.

Not 'certainly' but you have to admit that if you look at that photo, you will draw a conclusion. A conclusion that happens to be false. So I have established that photographs alone, can lead reasonable people to false conclusions. It's not too much of a step to realise that reasonable people can also draw unreasonable conclusions from a photograph.


Key quote from the article: 'But a spokesman for DHL said photographs could be "incredibly deceptive".'

Do you have an issue with that statement? You don't think photos can be deceptive?

The article. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4660644.stm)

The photograph. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/06/uk_enl_1138567284/img/1.jpg)

So Qorl's introductory of photographed crop circles lend an interesting contraposition: photographed crop circles that don't fly.

No, it was off topic bullshit. Tangential ravings from a deluded madman.

the alleged crackpot is calm whilst the known pseudo is freaking out
the irony

I'm not 'freaking out', I just no longer feel under any obligation to be polite to Qorl and tolerate his deluded rantings.

Do you buy his bullshit, Gustav?

OH, btw, I'm not a pseudo scientist, and an ex real scientist. I know you people like to try and denigrate your opponents by using inappropriate labels, but they don't stick.

Any reasonable person can see by examining the photographs that a collision must have followed within seconds. Clearly, all the subsequent claims are part of a cover up used to conceal the ongoing systemic failures within international air traffic control. Such a suppression of a major air accident could not occur without an effective disinformation system already in place. This must have been the same control systems of the military industrial complex that are used to falsely debunk UFO sightings. Ergo, this photograph is the ultimate proof that UFOs exist and that knowledge of them is deliberately concealed.
I rest my case.

I'm not 'freaking out', I just no longer feel under any obligation to be polite to Qorl and tolerate his deluded rantings.

Do you buy his bullshit, Gustav?

OH, btw, I'm not a pseudo scientist, and an ex real scientist. I know you people like to try and denigrate your opponents by using inappropriate labels, but they don't stick.

phlog
it is just useless rhetoric on my part
i find you well intentioned and intelligent
way more so than i
qorl has to be trolling. no one is that .....

qorl has to be trolling. no one is that .....

Agreed, Qorl is a troll.

Problem is Qorl tried to go for too much, too soon. A good Troll starts off gently, and builds up the incredulity once they've established a network of supporters. The game is then to see how far you can stretch them.

Qorl broke the bounds of credibility from the outset.

Giam:

How do WE know that they're all man made?

Occam's razor.

phlogistician
I will leave this thread because I got many beautifully written private massages from you.
By the way I really am Alien and I Never Ever Lie. That's why I will like everyone to see those two crop circles.

Theres this new thread locking craze going about, It started when the trolling became so unbearable to so many people that it had to be acted on swiftly. This means all threads that have broken into a slanging match will now be terminated post hence.