Started by a pure provocateur on another BB:

http://www.metalmaniacs.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/008025.html

If I had time, I'd cut'n'paste the relevant fragments, but hopefully no one will mind this format.

i dont think racial is racist
to observe and study genetic differencees b/w races is hardly racist
i fail to see what is so provocative about this thread.

perhaps you can elaborate on how you construe this study as such

Originally posted by spookz
i dont think racial is racist
to observe and study genetic differencees b/w races is hardly racist
i fail to see what is so provocative about this thread.

perhaps you can elaborate on how you construe this study as such

In most of America, observing that "race exists" is countered by accusations of pseudoscience.

ok
give me some examples of these "accusations' relating to health issues and race

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*pauses momentarily*
*wonders if replying is not a waste of energy*

Having the best or better genes would depend on too many variables. Its like saying a hammer is better than a crowbar.

Now let's all imagine that hitler won the war and we are a race of blonde haired blue eyed people fighting a war to suppress the attached earlobe people who are not as superior as the unattached earlobe people. You can quickly see where that goes.

Now let's imagine we are in a perfect world of clones generated by the best DNA possible if there really is such a thing. How depressed can we be to find our lover unattractive? Now doomed to a lifetime of unattractive partners.

Now let's imagine being in the real world and finding science and the discoveries of our human DNA fascinating.

My only question... what race am I? I am told to check the box that says caucasion/non-hispanic. Funny, I find no country called Caucasia or Republic of non-hipanics. I choose "other". I am what happens when you take millions of humans have have them breed for ions. Somewhere in the blender of genes I emerge and having the knowledge that our DNA is so complex I am to accept being classified by the gene that determined the pigment of my exterior wrap? That's like saying a limo and a volkswagon are the same because they are painted blue. Really? Why are you fat if we are the same race? I'm sorry but my teeth dont have a gap like your's, we can't possibly be from the same tribe.

It's all nonsense.

So why do we make such a big deal over it? Aside from our ability to see... I would have to say that everyone is looking for a reason to feel good about themselves. Some people who suffer from low self-esteem and ignorance choose to do so by dividing other people into categories that they can then use as a basis for self worship. They lower others in order to raise themselves.

Unless you are bulletproof, flame retardant, and have the ability to breathe water while never having to eat, sadly you are just like every other human.

Pride and freedom; That should never be confused with privilege. While you have the right to feel proud of yourself, your family, your culture, and your beliefs and have the freedom to profess them, you never have the right to elevate yourself to a position to take the right of another away.

If you can't handle that, stare at a light until you go blind. You'll be much better for it.

Originally posted by boneanon
*takes a deep breath*
*pauses momentarily*
*wonders if replying is not a waste of energy*

Having the best or better genes would depend on too many variables. Its like saying a hammer is better than a crowbar.

Now let's all imagine that hitler won the war and we are a race of blonde haired blue eyed people fighting a war to suppress the attached earlobe people who are not as superior as the unattached earlobe people. You can quickly see where that goes.

Now let's imagine we are in a perfect world of clones generated by the best DNA possible if there really is such a thing. How depressed can we be to find our lover unattractive? Now doomed to a lifetime of unattractive partners.

Now let's imagine being in the real world and finding science and the discoveries of our human DNA fascinating.

My only question... what race am I? I am told to check the box that says caucasion/non-hispanic. Funny, I find no country called Caucasia or Republic of non-hipanics. I choose "other". I am what happens when you take millions of humans have have them breed for ions. Somewhere in the blender of genes I emerge and having the knowledge that our DNA is so complex I am to accept being classified by the gene that determined the pigment of my exterior wrap? That's like saying a limo and a volkswagon are the same because they are painted blue. Really? Why are you fat if we are the same race? I'm sorry but my teeth dont have a gap like your's, we can't possibly be from the same tribe.

It's all nonsense.

So why do we make such a big deal over it? Aside from our ability to see... I would have to say that everyone is looking for a reason to feel good about themselves. Some people who suffer from low self-esteem and ignorance choose to do so by dividing other people into categories that they can then use as a basis for self worship. They lower others in order to raise themselves.

Unless you are bulletproof, flame retardant, and have the ability to breathe water while never having to eat, sadly you are just like every other human.

Pride and freedom; That should never be confused with privilege. While you have the right to feel proud of yourself, your family, your culture, and your beliefs and have the freedom to profess them, you never have the right to elevate yourself to a position to take the right of another away.

If you can't handle that, stare at a light until you go blind. You'll be much better for it.

"Better" requires something to be better at; I think the issue of ethnic pride is separate from the issue of trying to find an ultimate race, which seems to be your quest that you're projecting onto others.

Originally posted by spookz
ok
give me some examples of these "accusations' relating to health issues and race

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a39a2cc3f0b20.htm

Originally posted by prozak
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a39a2cc3f0b20.htm

sorry nothing there that is relevant
help me out here!

Originally posted by prozak
"Better" requires something to be better at; I think the issue of ethnic pride is separate from the issue of trying to find an ultimate race, which seems to be your quest that you're projecting onto others.

he is on a quest to find the ultimate race??
how did you come to that conclusion
be specific




"Some people who suffer from low self-esteem and ignorance choose to do so by dividing other people into categories that they can then use as a basis for self worship. They lower others in order to raise themselves"

examine the above statement from boneanon and reflect on it awhile!

:D

Originally posted by spookz
he is on a quest to find the ultimate race??
how did you come to that conclusion
be specific




"Some people who suffer from low self-esteem and ignorance choose to do so by dividing other people into categories that they can then use as a basis for self worship. They lower others in order to raise themselves"

examine the above statement from boneanon and reflect on it awhile!

:D

Most people who have nothing to claim from themselves benefit from the revenge they gain through "equality" - you meditate on that and then tell me why you thought your statement had logicla exclusivity.

Its only racist when you start saying one is supirior over another.

:D

prozac
what statement of mine are you refering to?

Most people who have nothing to claim from themselves benefit from the revenge they gain through "equality"

i am clueless as to what this means

Originally posted by Clockwood
Its only racist when you start saying one is supirior over another.

I agree. "Superiority" seems a weird concept that requires some inherent purposes to everything which is equal on all levels... as an egalitarian, I find this looney.

Originally posted by spookz
:D

prozac
what statement of mine are you refering to?

Most people who have nothing to claim from themselves benefit from the revenge they gain through "equality"

i am clueless

"And that's the way it should be. Those who can, do; the rest observe."

:D

cmon fella
explain these fascinating concepts of yours

ps: stop editing my quote


:D

The main point I was attempting to express was the ignorance in expressing superiority in a flat term. A hairy body would be superior in a frozen wasteland for a single purpose, warmth, while it would not be superior in a blazing desert for that same single purpose. It is a blankent statement of superiority by a single genetic trait that has no relevance. The hammer and the crowbar, depends on the job at hand. With that being said it is only our differances that make us superior in our own ways on a scale that encompasses all bodies with equality to each other at the same time. We should never use our differances as a weapon against one another in an attempt to gain superiority or the results would be our own undoing.

The other matter, which comes to mind in a racial debate, is freedom and oppression.
Understand that it is only cooperation in all things that leads to success. Just as Bill Gates has succeeded in great wealth, his success comes from consumers who could not aid him in that success without their own success giving them the ability to buy.

Think of your immediate family and circle of friends. Choose one ideal. We will say religion for arguments sake (Understanding this has nothing to do with race, keep in mind I am covering freedom and oppression which is a topic of racial debates). Imagine if you could not have your friendship or live with your loved one due to a differance of opinion in religion. Denying such a freedom of thought to others would limit your own freedom.
The only way to self liberation is through the liberation of all people.

This is seen in nature. Everything in life is dependant on the cooperation of all things. While the moon provides light in night for nocturnal creatures it is only through the cooperation of the sun that it is capable of giving its own light.

We as a people must understand that our own superiority can only come through unity. So what race is superior? The human race. We are a single body made up of many variables to accomplish all tasks and goals. Without our differances as a species that we refer to as race, we would be flawed as we would be incomplete and doomed to failure.

In the study of our DNA we should see our differances themselves as a superior structure and not limit our minds to the belief that a single trait is superior in its own right.

Many racists believe it to be necessary to preserve and maintain their own genetic traits. This is called purifying. While it is possible, it begins with variety first and the process eventually leads to genetic garbage. I will explain with dogs. Choosing 2 or more breeds of dog you select them for the traits you want in your purebred race that you wish to create and maintain. Then you breed them and continue to breed thier offspring only amongst themselves. Through inbreeding over generations you create your purebreed. To maintain this line you must continue this inbreeding (even if with non blood descendants from the creation of this breed from multiple hosts it is still inbreeding to a degree because of the limited genetic beginnings) and in time the breed develops genetic flaws. So to purify your race would be to set out to flaw it and the "pure blood line" began with the combining of other breeds.

Racial differances should be viewed as a symbol of vastness and greatness as a whole.
Superiority is what we can achieve together as a species through collective cooperation and unified liberation.
What we are born with is selective differances and it is that in itself which makes us equal.

Originally posted by boneanon
The main point I was attempting to express was the ignorance in expressing superiority in a flat term. A hairy body would be superior in a frozen wasteland for a single purpose, warmth, while it would not be superior in a blazing desert for that same single purpose. It is a blankent statement of superiority by a single genetic trait that has no relevance. The hammer and the crowbar, depends on the job at hand. With that being said it is only our differances that make us superior in our own ways on a scale that encompasses all bodies with equality to each other at the same time. We should never use our differances as a weapon against one another in an attempt to gain superiority or the results would be our own undoing.

The other matter, which comes to mind in a racial debate, is freedom and oppression.
Understand that it is only cooperation in all things that leads to success. Just as Bill Gates has succeeded in great wealth, his success comes from consumers who could not aid him in that success without their own success giving them the ability to buy.

Think of your immediate family and circle of friends. Choose one ideal. We will say religion for arguments sake (Understanding this has nothing to do with race, keep in mind I am covering freedom and oppression which is a topic of racial debates). Imagine if you could not have your friendship or live with your loved one due to a differance of opinion in religion. Denying such a freedom of thought to others would limit your own freedom.
The only way to self liberation is through the liberation of all people.

This is seen in nature. Everything in life is dependant on the cooperation of all things. While the moon provides light in night for nocturnal creatures it is only through the cooperation of the sun that it is capable of giving its own light.

We as a people must understand that our own superiority can only come through unity. So what race is superior? The human race. We are a single body made up of many variables to accomplish all tasks and goals. Without our differances as a species that we refer to as race, we would be flawed as we would be incomplete and doomed to failure.

In the study of our DNA we should see our differances themselves as a superior structure and not limit our minds to the belief that a single trait is superior in its own right.

Many racists believe it to be necessary to preserve and maintain their own genetic traits. This is called purifying. While it is possible, it begins with variety first and the process eventually leads to genetic garbage. I will explain with dogs. Choosing 2 or more breeds of dog you select them for the traits you want in your purebred race that you wish to create and maintain. Then you breed them and continue to breed thier offspring only amongst themselves. Through inbreeding over generations you create your purebreed. To maintain this line you must continue this inbreeding (even if with non blood descendants from the creation of this breed from multiple hosts it is still inbreeding to a degree because of the limited genetic beginnings) and in time the breed develops genetic flaws. So to purify your race would be to set out to flaw it and the "pure blood line" began with the combining of other breeds.

Racial differances should be viewed as a symbol of vastness and greatness as a whole.
Superiority is what we can achieve together as a species through collective cooperation and unified liberation.
What we are born with is selective differances and it is that in itself which makes us equal.

To claim that breeding within a group of 100 million+ people is inbreeding is pseudoscience. Please check that thought again.

I agree that our differences are significant, and should be celebrated. In order to do this, one must prevent race-mixing. The ancient Jews understood this and hence their literature has lengthy admonitions against admixture.

heh.

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Posted by Prozak earlier in thread...

In most of America, observing that "race exists" is countered by accusations of pseudoscience.
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Posted by Prozak earlier in thread...

To claim that breeding within a group of 100 million+ people is inbreeding is pseudoscience. Please check that thought again.
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I know what pseudo is and I know what science is. Pseudoscience I do not understand, perhaps it's greek.

prozak is cunning like a fox, slippery like an eel and mad as a hatter

:D

I don't think you articulate yourself well. Here is what you said:

"I will explain with dogs. Choosing 2 or more breeds of dog you select them for the traits you want in your purebred race that you wish to create and maintain. Then you breed them and continue to breed thier offspring only amongst themselves. Through inbreeding over generations you create your purebreed. To maintain this line you must continue this inbreeding (even if with non blood descendants from the creation of this breed from multiple hosts it is still inbreeding to a degree because of the limited genetic beginnings) and in time the breed develops genetic flaws. So to purify your race would be to set out to flaw it and the "pure blood line" began with the combining of other breeds. "

In context, I detailed its implications.

I don't think you read well, then when you say something it resembles blah blah blah. I have yet to understand a single thing you post.

Originally posted by boneanon
I don't think you read well, then when you say something it resembles blah blah blah. I have yet to understand a single thing you post.

My posts are clear, and I think you misread my reply. We can now all take our toys and go home, right? How useless.

I figure you need a genepool with a minimum of 200 individuals without close relations to prevent inbreeding.

Originally posted by Clockwood
I figure you need a genepool with a minimum of 200 individuals without close relations to prevent inbreeding.

Me and 199 supermodels...

Originally posted by prozak
Me and 199 supermodels...
unless 99 of them are male and 100 of them are females that will lead to inbreeding after the first generation :rolleyes: unless you go both ways :eek:

Originally posted by ________
unless 99 of them are male and 100 of them are females that will lead to inbreeding after the first generation :rolleyes: unless you go both ways :eek:

I can do anything. Bend over.

:eek:

Originally posted by prozak
I can do anything. Bend over.

Only if you promise to lubricate :rolleyes:

Originally posted by ________
Only if you promise to lubricate :rolleyes:

10W-30 has its uses.

:p

Originally posted by prozak
10W-30 has its uses.

:p

I prefere WD40 for cleaning my rims or a teflon based dry lube. for my forks.

Originally posted by ________
I prefere WD40 for cleaning my rims or a teflon based dry lube. for my forks.

Liquid graphite isn't bad, especially under the high temperatures brought on by friction.

Originally posted by prozak
Liquid graphite isn't bad, especially under the high temperatures brought on by friction.

Very True and it also helps to use beerings made from Slicon Nitride. They can take a lot of abuse you know.

Put some silver nitrate and wait for it to change colors and fall off.

Teflon is the answer.

a problem in all of this might be there are no human races from a biological viewpoint...just mere varieties?

races is therefore a politically loaded term.

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