http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=afglxPM.F_i8&refer=home

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/26/AR2008042601944.html

Are debates getting too hot for Obama ?

he feels confident in his victory after the HAMAS endorsement.

Maybe it's because Obama has been in about thirty debates with Hillary already, and sees no point in yet another one. Wasn't the last debate just a week ago? Seriously, there's nothing that another debate will uncover.

Cazzo,,,you never learn!


Didnt i and others tell you the reason Obama will not participate in debates with Clinton is because she feels inferior,she is using her knowledge that if he as a black man respond to her in the same aggressive criticism and tone as she does to him it would place him at jeopardy of losing much american support from individuals who will attach the ANGRY BLACK MAKE STIGMA toward him.Obama has a psychological understanding of the flawed illogical old established debate politics and he is not falling for it.He is bringing a new generation of politics.Hil is part of the old political world,they are tired of the Clintons,way tired of Repubs.

Just before the senator from New York issued her challenge, Obama ruled out more debates in a taped interview with "Fox News Sunday" that will air Sunday. So he wasn't dodging that one - he hadn't been presented with it. Clever of Clinton's campaign to wrongfoot him that way. And the rubes were apparently duly suckered.

The Clintons are good at that kind of campaigning. I don't think it will work against McCain, though, with Hillary as the candidate - they won't get the cooperation from the media such tactics require.

Clinton wants debates because they are free air time. She's way behind on the money.

Cazzo,,,you never learn!


Didnt i and others tell you the reason Obama will not participate in debates with Clinton is because she feels inferior,she is using her knowledge that if he as a black man respond to her in the same aggressive criticism and tone as she does to him it would place him at jeopardy of losing much american support from individuals who will attach the ANGRY BLACK MAKE STIGMA toward him.Obama has a psychological understanding of the flawed illogical old established debate politics and he is not falling for it.He is bringing a new generation of politics.Hil is part of the old political world,they are tired of the Clintons,way tired of Repubs.

It makes sense that the frontrunner would reject a debate this late in the game. There are many ways to read into this but lets not feed into the paranoia and delusions of certain people.

For Hillary to say she wants another debate is her right and she does well in debates so she probably figures she can only gain from it while Obama figures he may only loose from it. So even asking for a debate and Obama rejecting it helps Clinton because it shows some level of uncertainty on Obama's part. It is actually a smart move.

Also from the Washington Post article;

Robert Gibbs, the Obama campaign's communications director, added in a news release: "We have participated in 21 nationally televised debates, the most in primary history, including four exclusively with Senator Clinton. Senator Clinton refused an earlier invitation that had been accepted to debate in North Carolina. Over the next 10 days, we believe it's important to talk directly to the voters of Indiana and North Carolina about fixing our economy, cutting the cost of health care and ending a war in Iraq that never should have been authorized in the first place."

(Bacon Jr. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/26/AR2008042601944.html))

So where's the "Clinton backs out of North Carolina debate" thread? I'm of the opinion it doesn't really matter either way. These two are fighting pretty hard, and as with so much conventional wisdom, it's hard to tell what the actual effect is. Republicans would have us believe that this extended display of democracy somehow repulses voters. They would pretend that feminists sold on Clinton would rather vote for the guy who left his wife over a car accident in order to marry a rich, attractive woman and exploit her wealth in order to build his political career than a fellow Democrat who bests her in a titanic primary brawl. They would pretend Obama's diverse coalition of support would prefer to vote for a hundred year war and blind allegiance to Bush's not-quite policies than vote for a fellow Democrat.

This is conventional wisdom? What the hell?

Everything is going to be alright. Democracy is not so scary that Americans don't want it. And if it somehow is, well, we don't really deserve anything more than a McCain presidency, anyway.

he feels confident in his victory after the HAMAS endorsement.

stop spreading your war everywhere you go! Israel has problems with Hamas, well so be it...don't tie in our candidates or presidents or other countries for that matter to this junk.

It makes sense that the frontrunner would reject a debate this late in the game. There are many ways to read into this but lets not feed into the paranoia and delusions of certain people.

For Hillary to say she wants another debate is her right and she does well in debates so she probably figures she can only gain from it while Obama figures he may only loose from it. So even asking for a debate and Obama rejecting it helps Clinton because it shows some level of uncertainty on Obama's part. It is actually a smart move.

NO! The only delusions are those Clinton supporters speak.

Clinton does not fare well in debates with Obama,GET THIS THROUGH YOUR SKULL! You are not a professional at debate if you use the old established style of debating,that is not debating professionally,that is poor pathethic,immature blabbering mouths cutting people off,using personal insults in attempt to gain momentum.Clinton is using the kitchen sink strategy because she feels inferior to Obamas inability to crack,break a sweat or become savagely angry like many believe she wishes so it could ruin his image as she rags on him regarding hypocrisy.Nothing helps Clinton when it comes to Obama at this point because the american public and those millions of new registered voters are hip to the clinton style of political debating and there cut throat winning strategy that borderlines doing anything to win.Clinton once had my respect as a candidate,now i am disgusted with her entire campaign.Obama rejecting the debate with Clinton is horrible for her,because those who scream change are seeing that Obama is really about change and not falling for those same old schemes thee elderly politicians pull.
It amazes me how Clinton fanatics or some harp on her win in PENN to pretend the tables are turning when they are not(being that PENN has and will always be Clinton territory)

Clinton does not fare well in debates with Obama,GET THIS THROUGH YOUR SKULL! You are not a professional at debate if you use the old established style of debating,that is not debating professionally,that is poor pathethic,immature blabbering mouths cutting people off,using personal insults in attempt to gain momentum
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There have been over 12 "debates" so far between the two of them, I'm about "debated" out! How much is enough already? Just stop them before they get so boring telling us the same shit over and over and over.....:argue:

stop spreading your war everywhere you go! Israel has problems with Hamas, well so be it...don't tie in our candidates or presidents or other countries for that matter to this junk.

and they say im the one without a sense of humor.

Cazzo,,,you never learn!


Didnt i and others tell you the reason Obama will not participate in debates with Clinton is because she feels inferior,she is using her knowledge that if he as a black man respond to her in the same aggressive criticism and tone as she does to him it would place him at jeopardy of losing much american support from individuals who will attach the ANGRY BLACK MAKE STIGMA toward him.Obama has a psychological understanding of the flawed illogical old established debate politics and he is not falling for it.He is bringing a new generation of politics.Hil is part of the old political world,they are tired of the Clintons,way tired of Repubs.

Stop, you're making to much sense. Logic is foreign language to most conservatives.

There have been over 12 "debates" so far between the two of them, I'm about "debated" out! How much is enough already? Just stop them before they get so boring telling us the same shit over and over and over.....:argue:

12? There's been 22 in all:confused:

Stop, you're making to much sense. Logic is foreign language to most conservatives.

I mean WTF this political season is the most entertaining yes! However the media acts as if its so confusing when its sooooooooo fucking obvious,this is the easiest campaign to figure out,the truth is denial,delusion or simple ignorane to Clinton supporters,or some just have faith in ole gal.Nevermind she blatantly lied twice about stories as if it was some figment of imagination.I come to realize Obama is best as president because the world is literally banking on this man.I mean seriously! Black humble men have always received a large fanbase among foreigners,while typically being disgusted with those of caucasion decent.As disturbing and ignorant as it sounds there is truth.If Hilary becomes president it would not be as bad as Mccain becoming president.However the strategy of those who run this country should first and foremost be to connect with the world again.We need CHANGE,America is in shits creek,The ULTRA CONS have destroyed shit like the Decepticons from the Transformer movie.Obama represents change,a mixture of all little peices of race in him though his prescence is Black due to those dominant African genes.Obama must become the president,Obama has to become the president.The conspiracy theorist as some call it really truly say those who run this country are truly aiming to change Americans horrible reputation around to being that respected country others can trust.What happens if revolutions began and riots occured and countries came together to turn there back on us.Its almost like America has no choice but to get that damn Obama in office or we are in for dark cloudy days.:(.I admit Clintons back in office does bring a sigh of relief because there history regarding what they have done for low income individuals cannot be discredited.However there shitty attitudes and cheap shots they take toward winning is disgusting.

12? There's been 22 in all:confused:

Isn't that over 12?:shrug::p

:runaway:I still say Hillary has bigger balls though.

:runaway:I still say Hillary has bigger balls though.

Bullshit! OMG Obamas strengths have totally been ignored,are you aware this man is part of Illinois politics? There whole way of operation are violent and aggressive.Obama has more balls than any presidential candidate in a position of losing everything.He had balls to get on stage to turn the Wright controversy which placed his entire image nd presidential run at jeopardy of lost around and gave himself momentum with that powerful speech.Barack took on FOX NEWS who bashes him worst than any candidate ever and he shut them down sunday morning.Obama is the one who does not crack,break,break his smile,that humbled nature is solid.He definetly has more balls,to the point Bill has developed a dislike for the man because he feels threatened by his power.

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You Republicans seem to think that McCain will win over Hillary. I think you might be suprised. Hillary will beat McCain, because McCain is offering more of the same...a Bush III. Go ahead, encourage her and vote for her...but I don't want to hear any complaints win she is president Hillary.

:runaway:I still say Hillary has bigger balls though.

Hillary should of challenged George W Bush before she voted for the War. Where was Hillary the fighter then? She was no where to be found. To busy kissing the G.O.P's ass, laying the ground work for her eventual whitehouse run. She's no fighter, because she chose to lay down when her party needed her the most.

so did Robert Byrd.

I mean really, what value is another hillary - Obama debate? They have already debated 21 times. If you have not seen one of the 21 previous debates, then shame on you.
All another debate will do is give hillary more opportunity to smear Obama. Obama wanting not to stoop to that level has nothing to offer in that kind of forum. So why should he attend? There is absoutely no reason for him to want to attend. Hillary on the other hand has no such morals. She wants Obama damaged goods at any cost. Worst case senario, she would prefer McCain over Obama as the next president. Because she can then run for the presidency again in 4 years versus 8 years if Obama wins the nomination. Ironically, I think the Republicans have the same interest. I think most of them know that McCain is a long shot in the general election. So worse case for the Republicans is that Hillary wins the election and they get a better shot in four years.

More debates like the ones we've seen are just free air time for Hillary, and a chance to refer to herself as a "fighter" and a "champion" without paying for the privilege.

There's nothing in them for Obama, if his so far born out projections of winning big in NC and losing small in Indiana are met.

One of Obama's problems in a debate is that he cannot refer to some of his own important strengths without undermining them - he can't brag, even more than he can't attack, to draw attention to his determination and will, for example.

So if Hillary can get away with referring to herself as a "fighter", as McCain can label himself a "straight talker", without drawing the mockery such weak-ass assertions would bring to Obama, that is an advantage in the self-parodying debate formats we've been watching.

But the willing services of the media in all this are embarrassing - if such people are capable of feeling embarrassment.

More debates like the ones we've seen are just free air time for Hillary, and a chance to refer to herself as a "fighter" and a "champion" without paying for the privilege.

There's nothing in them for Obama, if his so far born out projections of winning big in NC and losing small in Indiana are met.

One of Obama's problems in a debate is that he cannot refer to some of his own important strengths without undermining them - he can't brag, even more than he can't attack, to draw attention to his determination and will, for example.

So if Hillary can get away with referring to herself as a "fighter", as McCain can label himself a "straight talker", without drawing the mockery such weak-ass assertions would bring to Obama, that is an advantage in the self-parodying debate formats we've been watching.

But the willing services of the media in all this are embarrassing - if such people are capable of feeling embarrassment.



You must realize though,Obama is not about playing the old game of political debating.Obama is transforming debates into a professional manner,one that he was taught in college.It is not that he is straining to hold composure,its just his nature to confront issues without anger disrupting his ability to change whats really important.Clinton is feeding off Obamas inability to lash off with that anger due to him being labeled ""AN ANGRY BLACK MAN"like Sharpton,this is why many feel the Clintons will do anything to win.However Obama is perfect at debate,its just all the others are poor at it.Just because a majority act the same way or similar does not make it logical.That 1 or few individuals who take the different more respectful approach with a psychological understanding that cutting people off during debates,shooting insults,losing composure causes disruption,chaos,and prevents serious imporant issues from being solved.We in the poor state we are in as a country cannot afford for these important issues to be sidelined while these bullshit ass ULTRA CONS and there fucked up old established conservative mentalities and judgements and theories with no facts whatsoever are given much attention,much acknowledgement.People want change,Change means Change,Change means bullshit issues that we pay attention to are to be thrown in the trash for eternity.

More debates like the ones we've seen are just free air time for Hillary, and a chance to refer to herself as a "fighter" and a "champion" without paying for the privilege.

There's nothing in them for Obama, if his so far born out projections of winning big in NC and losing small in Indiana are met.

One of Obama's problems in a debate is that he cannot refer to some of his own important strengths without undermining them - he can't brag, even more than he can't attack, to draw attention to his determination and will, for example.

So if Hillary can get away with referring to herself as a "fighter", as McCain can label himself a "straight talker", without drawing the mockery such weak-ass assertions would bring to Obama, that is an advantage in the self-parodying debate formats we've been watching.

But the willing services of the media in all this are embarrassing - if such people are capable of feeling embarrassment.
Yes it is really amazing and sad at the same time that the media can obsess over pseudo issues (e.g. the Swift Boat Campaign against Kerry). The media can obsess for weeks, focusing time and attention on accusations that are totally without merit. And in the process give these wild ass slanders credibility with a certain segment of the electors.