What is numerology.
I looked through some books that turned out to be completely illogical as if created by people with no concept of mathematics.
Can somebody please give me at least a decent explanation of numerology that does not defy the laws of mathematics?

BASICALLY.. the way i see it....

the base system man commonly uses is the base 10... and so we go from there.

each number is on a scale.. as all things in life are on a scale...


in my practice... i follow this basic guidline for using numbers in my life.
0= nothing
1 = alone.. single.. lonely.. on top..etc...
2 = couple... together... paired.. sharing.. love.. potential for 3.
3 = trinity.. father son holy spirit.. 3.14159.... etc..
4 = profit.. gain... 2 plus 2... greed..
5 = fun... 1 plus 2 plus 2.. good times.. party... fun fun, for the one.
6 = is difficult to describe, and i aviod it.
7 = lucky.. loner... but part of big groups...
8 = comflict... battle.. 4 and 4.. both want profit.. both figth for gain.
9 = perfection... 1 plus 8.. one controls 4 and 4... command..
10 = 1 and 0... same as one or zero... 1 is so lonely.. it doesnt matter.


mind you... this is my own, self made chart.

SO IF IM GOING TO DO SOMETHING IMPORTANT... i choose my numbers carfully.

for example.. i wouldnt want a car with alot of 8's... but i would want 5's...

its that simple... and yes.. it is that stupid.

-MT

I can make sense out of most superstions, and see degrees of plausibilities in many, but I guess numerology could only work if there was justification for using 10 based system as the basis.

I looked through some books that turned out to be completely illogical as if created by people with no concept of mathematics.

Pythagoras invented numerology... or so they say... but it was known by others long ago.

Numerology dates way before Pythagoras.
He supposedly invented the Pythagorean theorem. Not numerology.
Why do people always try to credit these crackers with inventing crap they didn't never invent?

8 is a very lucky number in Japan, I've heard, to live on number 8 is very attractive.
Which also is 26, 17, 35, 44 etc.
I think it was with the Kabbalah that numerology became popular, Egyptians and Sumerians also used it a lot.
Synchronicities in combination with numerology can drive anyone insane, but it's a fun way to go.

It's drivel believed by people who are really staggeringly boring. The kind of person who lives at number 4 and says "Hmm, 4 times pi over the square root of 666 is 2.8330967486313279391667734250282e-5. It must mean something!"

my lord... commi rat.... you just may be on to something...

i am amazed i never thought of it before..... simplicity at its best.

i will save your words in my metaphysics files.

-MT

There are numbers that describe who you are. The 5 most important are the soul #, the personality number,the power number, the birth day number and the life path number. The life path # being the most imp. is calculated by adding the single digits of your birthday, for ex. 3/31/1984= 3+3+1+1+9+8+4=11=1+1=2, so two would be the life path number of the person.

The life path # being the most imp. is calculated by adding the single digits of your birthday, for ex. 3/31/1984= 3+3+1+1+9+8+4=11=1+1=2, so two would be the life path number of the person.
Wow, that's brilliant. These guys that invented numerology not only worked out that your date of birth would determine your "life path", but they also managed to realise that a couple of thousand years after they'd died out we'd use a completely different calendar/ dating system and apparently fitted their "mathematics" to that. :rolleyes:
Numerology is in the same class as astrology - junk.

There are numbers that describe who you are. The 5 most important are the soul #, the personality number,the power number, the birth day number and the life path number. The life path # being the most imp. is calculated by adding the single digits of your birthday, for ex. 3/31/1984= 3+3+1+1+9+8+4=11=1+1=2, so two would be the life path number of the person.
So, if I told you someones DOB, you could tell me how they had lived their life up till now?

The life path # being the most imp. is calculated by adding the single digits of your birthday, for ex. 3/31/1984= 3+3+1+1+9+8+4=11=1+1=2, so two would be the life path number of the person.
According to that method there's only ten "possible" lifepaths -not much choice then, is there? At least astrology gives 12 options. :D (Or is it 13 now? I vaguely remember somebody on TV saying there were actually 13 "constellations/ signs").

Wow, that's brilliant. These guys that invented numerology not only worked out that your date of birth would determine your "life path", but they also managed to realise that a couple of thousand years after they'd died out we'd use a completely different calendar/ dating system and apparently fitted their "mathematics" to that. :rolleyes:

we don't use different calendar/dating system today.

Numerology is in the same class as astrology - junk.

our calendar/dating system is based on astrology. thats why there's 12 hours a day, 12 months and 365 days a year (360 circle).

According to that method there's only ten "possible" lifepaths -not much choice then, is there? At least astrology gives 12 options. :D (Or is it 13 now? I vaguely remember somebody on TV saying there were actually 13 "constellations/ signs").

christ in the middle of the 12 signs, he is Ophiuchus, the eagle, the serpent bearer, the 13th.

as moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the son of man be lifted up, so that everyone who believes in him has eternal life.

It does't predict your future, it just tells you alot of characteristics about yourself that people when given a reading find to be surprisingly true. And there is more than just the life path number that tell the direction of your life. There are many others. Same numbers or a combination tend to follow people around.

Communist Hamster, if you gave me a date of birth I will give you a short reading of the person which you might find to be accurate orsome similarities in that persons personality and the way they lead their life.

It does't predict your future, it just tells you alot of characteristics about yourself that people when given a reading find to be surprisingly true.
So you give some vague descriptions that people want to believe? Nice try.

Communist Hamster, if you gave me a date of birth I will give you a short reading of the person which you might find to be accurate orsome similarities in that persons personality and the way they lead their life.
I'll try it for a dollar. A friend's birthday: 4/3/69.

we don't use different calendar/dating system today.
So when these guys came up with numerology all those thousands of years ago they used the current Christian numbering for years, had 12 months in a year and the same number of days? Not a chance.
our calendar/dating system is based on astrology. thats why there's 12 hours a day, 12 months and 365 days a year (360 circle).
Here in the UK we have 24 hours per day :D . So what. I know the calendar is based on astrological observation, (more specifiaclly it's not BASED on astrology so much as the fact that the Earth rotates in 24 hours on its own axis, round the sun in 365 days etc.), but the calendar is used for keeping track of time... (so I know when to expect a birthday present). But as a predictive "science" astrology is junk.

Redarmy11, this person's lifepath # is a 5- they are an adventurer, they love freedom, fun and adventure, variety, passon for example they might take adifferent path to work every morning, the avg. male 5 doesn't get married right away and if they do it is more than once, first marriage is short-lived because they don't like to feel tied down.. If a woman she coan't stand a man to be too clingy. In terms of careers they make good photojournalists, pilots, flight attendents, travel agents, tour guides, cruise directors anything to do with travel. it is imp. that a 5 live out their quest because if they don't t then their life can easily turn into a soap opera. This false drama can easily lead to depression and a martyr complex. %'s have a wild side as well. They have a natural gift for entertaining and you can find them in the hospital industry as well as wedding planning and decorating. On the wild side they can be rock stars, strippers and casino owners becaus ethey would rather be dead then bored. They like to escape into fiction so they might likeJ.K Rowling, they are also compassionate because they can't stand to see injustice done even if doesn't involve them.
Attitude number is the # that describes your general attitude toward life- (7)- you don't get to know what they are thinking, they keep to themselves and are introspective. They don't have a problem asking questions, but they will look at you suspiciously if you ask them, they must continue studying the quest of why they are here, they will reveal themselves slowly as they go.

Also the Birth day number which is the way other people see that person is 3 - they appear to be a joyous person and a faithful friend. While they appear to be artistic and imaginative, people will see that person as practical and if a parent, a very good disciplinarian. They are good communicators and people will often seek out their counsel. if they can't find ways to be happy they will be moody, but they bounce back quickly.

But as a predictive "science" astrology is junk.

yes, today's astrology. but not the astrology that was known tens of thousands years ago. why else would great scientists have studied so much astrology?

Great scientists? Names? Some may have studied astrology to see if there was anything to it. If you go back far enough some may have believed it (you can always find someone who'll believe anything :D ) - but has no scientific basis.

Great scientists? Names?

You're so lazy: Tycho Brahe, Galileo Galilei, Johannes Kepler and Pierre Gassendi, they all held astrology in high esteem.

If you go back far enough some may have believed it (you can always find someone who'll believe anything :D ) - but has no scientific basis.

newton believed in god, but god has scientific basis if you understand what it is.

Yup, like I said. You'll always find someone who'll believe anything. But astrology (and god) have no scientific basis.

DO you have proof that astrology and God have no scientific basis. Because right now its easy to say God and science are different topics because we just tapped the basics of science and to prove something as big as God being real from the knowledge we have is impossible. You think people who believe that astrology and God are a science are gullible but it can easily be said that people who don't believe in God because with the knowledge we have right now can't prove it are just as gullible because they don't think beyond that knowledge and will believe only what present science can prove.

DO you have proof that astrology and God have no scientific basis. Well it would make more sense if you provided proof that they did. Proving negatives isn't easy.

Do you actually believe that god and astrology were derived using scientific method? Surely not. Have you opened a science book?

Astrology does not stand up to scientific testing. Some examples.
http://skeptico.blogs.com/skeptico/2005/02/what_do_you_mea.html


Because right now its easy to say God and science are different topics because we just tapped the basics of science and to prove something as big as God being real from the knowledge we have is impossible. They are different topics because religion is the very opposite of science. One is a proven method for explaining the universe around us and the other is a system of beliefs. I wont point out which is which.

Why is impossible to prove something as big as god? Usually the larger something is the more evidence there should be. Perhaps he/she doesn't exist and you are making excuses? ..


You think people who believe that astrology and God are a science are gullible but it can easily be said that people who don't believe in God because with the knowledge we have right now can't prove it are just as gullible because they don't think beyond that knowledge and will believe only what present science can prove.I would call them gullible because it shows they know nothing about science and have believed some unsubstantiated nonsense. When it comes to science I am barely an amateur and I can see that.

Choosing not believe in something because the evidence doesn’t support the idea shows rational thinking. Your claim that it means that you are gullible doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

The ideas about God and astrology are derived past the information we have about science right now. People who believe in those ideas think outside the box because they have seen things that have convinced them that God and astrology might be real. I am not making excuses. People who choose not to believe in something usually don't bother looking at the evidence anyway. There are many miracles everyday that happen that prove God is real.
Science today has no evidence that God is real is because it is new and so far in history science has been considered what you see is what you get, meaning what you see with the physical eyes. It has also been forwarded by people who oppose the chruch. In Europe anyway. Its not rational to make a decision about something like God from science because it is too young and it never has supported God to begin with. Its stupid to look at the present science and say GOd ahs no scientific basis when the subject was given a fair chance by science in the first place.
Events or miracles that happen everyday are proof that God exists, its just that you have to look at the evidence and understand it.

What is numerology.

Subjective relationships with numbers.


Can somebody please give me at least a decent explanation of numerology that does not defy the laws of mathematics?

Nope. At some point in history numerology and mathematics were one in the same (subjective relationships and objective relationships). Math broke off and left the fantasy behind.

The ideas about God and astrology are derived past the information we have about science right now.
What do you mean ‘past the information’? The idea of god appears to have been derived using the same method as belief in Thor, Ra, Zeus and dragons.


People who believe in those ideas think outside the box because they have seen things that have convinced them that God and astrology might be real.
Is it thinking outside the box to believe what a book/church tells you? Hmm.

As humas we seem to have a desire to believe in things such as religion and astrology. It is comforting to think that there are other forces guiding us/afterlife ect. People have experiences that may seem to validate gods or astrology. This is where scientific method comes in. It a method for sorting out the truth from the mistakes, hoaxes , delusion ect.

I am not making excuses. People who choose not to believe in something usually don't bother looking at the evidence anyway. That is a sweeping generalisation. How do you know this?

There are many miracles everyday that happen that prove God is real.
What miracles are you referring to?

Science today has no evidence that God is real is because it is new... Actually science isn’t new but that really isn’t important. It is the best method we have for explaining the universe around us. I could claim that unicorns and goblins exist its just that because science is ‘new’ and you are foolish for not believing in them. (there’s always an analogy involving unicorns)

....and so far in history science has been considered what you see is what you get, meaning what you see with the physical eyes. Can you see radio waves, electrons, bacteria ect?



It has also been forwarded by people who oppose the chruch. In Europe anyway. I disagree. There have been tensions and disagreements between the scientific community and the church but it would be incorrect to say that the most notable scientists have opposed the church.


Its not rational to make a decision about something like God from science because it is too young and it never has supported God to begin with. Its stupid to look at the present science and say GOd ahs no scientific basis when the subject was given a fair chance by science in the first place.
Events or miracles that happen everyday are proof that God exists, its just that you have to look at the evidence and understand it.Nonsense.

Look, it is quite simple, where is the evidence for god?

1/infinity = god

Evidence provided about God is miracles and paranormal events that take place everyday however since people who are skeptics of God don't think it is actual proof that a God exists, I will just say people who come to the conclusion that God exists from these miracles have ideas that have depth than what science has to offer them currently. The reason they want more depth is because they know there is more to life then what you see with your eyes (besides microscopic organisms).
People who try to explain everything with science will only believe in limited things because science doesn't offer knowledge on more than half the things in life.

Evidence provided about God is miracles and paranormal events that take place everyday however since people who are skeptics of God don't think it is actual proof that a God exists, I will just say people who come to the conclusion that God exists from these miracles have ideas that have depth than what science has to offer them currently. The reason they want more depth is because they know there is more to life then what you see with your eyes (besides microscopic organisms).
People who try to explain everything with science will only believe in limited things because science doesn't offer knowledge on more than half the things in life.
That is a vague response. I asked for evidence of god and you respond with the paranormal and miracles. The reason there is believer vs sceptic debate about the paranormal and miracles is because the evidence is dubious or non-existent.

This is a bit pointless because I'm pretty sure that you don't have any evidence for the existence of god. No one else has produced any so far...

How do you "know" there is more to life that "what you see with your own eyes" ?

"Give me proof of God!"
You are right, it's a pointless question.
I am so tired of hearing that, aren't you tired of saying it too?
According to my worldview, everything exists, even the christians version of god, and everybody else's too.
It's ridiculous to ask for proof for something you don't believe in, why do you need it?
Is it because you need to be reassured of your existing belief or are you seeking evidence so you have a to yourself valid excuse to beleive in God? Maybe you want to believe in God and seek a good oneliner as answer if someone would question your belief? Or why?

"Give me proof of God!"
You are right, it's a pointless question.
I am so tired of hearing that, aren't you tired of saying it too?
Well I did not bring it up. sgal said "DO you have proof that astrology and God have no scientific basis." which was where I joined in. He/she then said "There are many miracles everyday that happen that prove God is real. " I wanted to know more about this proof.


According to my worldview, everything exists, even the christians version of god, and everybody else's too.
It's ridiculous to ask for proof for something you don't believe in, why do you need it?
Is it because you need to be reassured of your existing belief or are you seeking evidence so you have a to yourself valid excuse to beleive in God? Maybe you want to believe in God and seek a good oneliner as answer if someone would question your belief? Or why?
I would love to believe in god. It would be an amazing experience to feel that an omnipotent being looking out for me, eternal life in heaven and the other positives things that come with religion.

Unfortunately I don't see how the hebrew god is any more real than the gods of the greek, egyptian, norse, hindu ect. Should I just pick one like a football team? Should I, like so many others, just assume that the most prominent religion in the country I grew up is the right one and the others all wrong? No, I would just like some proof. I don't think that's ridiculous.

It's like this, all those religionbased gods are all sub-entities to the Source ( all that is, the sum of EVERYTHING, which has a consciousness that includes all consciousnesses, nothing more, nothing less, call it what you want really..) , this is you, it is you, do you believe in yourself? That you can communicate with a larger version of you?
The proof is within you, what you chose to believe, to see, it can never be imposed on you from another. If you try to communicate with this, that you said you wanted to believe in, then you will find proof. It's always on a very personal level, it's an intimate relationship one could say.