North American Union

Discussion in 'World Events' started by EndLightEnd, Feb 20, 2009.

  1. EndLightEnd This too shall pass. Registered Senior Member

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    Has anyone else heard of this?

    Apparently back in 2005 Bush met with the President of Mexico and the Prime minister of Canada in secret to discuss and plan what will be known as the North American Union. It will essentially turn all of North America into a conglomeration of countries all using a new form of currency called the Amero (analog of the Euro).

    I find this a bit disturbing to say the least that our constitutional rights are going to be modified without ANY public support. For the most part this deal has been kept hush-hush and no doubt many of you have not heard about it, but it is very real. This deal is being done BY the elite private class FOR the elite private class with NO public support and very LITTLE public knowledge.

    Some videos from some major news outlets for your viewing horror.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T74VA3xU0EA

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4axRYJymHI
     
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  3. BlueMoose Guest

    I have been speculating here a long time that thats why "they" first" ruined the economy of US (creating a problem) and then after dollar collapses "they" will offer the solution, NAU and The Amero.
    I saw the same exact thing happening here in Finland, and now Iceland is facing the same situation, and Ireland is on pressure too, we will see...
     
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  5. Pandaemoni Valued Senior Member

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    I would speculate that only conspiracy minded types would believe that there is a secret plan in the government to create a North American Union. Even if one existed, it would have to be created by treaty and could not possibly waive any constitutional protections, unless the President is willing to enforce the union militarily.

    Bush, et al, officially met in 2005 to discuss NAFTA, which makes far more sense to me.
     
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  7. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    That treaty did not help America but only helped other countries take advantage of America. It was great for them but a real death knell up for American businesses.
     
  8. fedr808 1100101 Valued Senior Member

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    what about the senate and the congress? I mean most people assume senators and congressmen are ALWAYS doing everything that the public doesnt want. But they genuinely represant the people

    Now if you want some advice, write a letter to your congressman or congresswoman, tell them your opinion, make a fine arguement, sound sophisticated, if enough of us do it, they will definitely fight against it.

    Even some congressmen whom may be getting paid by corporations to run their campaign will not bend to the will of these corporations if enough of the people whom voted in those congressmen disagree.

    Because it doesnt matter how much money the congressman or congresswoman gets, no one would vote for them.

    Put more faith in our government, it has been working for over 200 years without any sort of problems, and even though we dont appreciate it, they really are the big brothers, maybe they get a little mis guided, but they always do the right thing in the end.

    Look at the depression, the American people as a whole got us out of it, but the government was the ones leading us in the right direction.

    Have some faith, big brothers coming to the rescue.
     
  9. EndLightEnd This too shall pass. Registered Senior Member

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    Uh the federal income tax is in direct violation of the constitution for reasons listed here...http://www.thepriceofliberty.org/04/04/16/greenslade.htm

    There is no LAW stating we HAVE to pay income tax, we do it because thats the way it is.
     
  10. quadraphonics Bloodthirsty Barbarian Valued Senior Member

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    What has been happening is that the Canadians have been quietly pushing for some kind of currency union for years now, but the US isn't interested. The reason for this is that Canada is a much smaller economy that is highly dependent on trade with the US, and so any fluctuations in the exchange rate cause huge distortions in their economy. The American side has consistently rejected this idea; my understanding of what happened at that meeting is that Bush told them, for the hundredth time, to forget it.

    Note that Canada could avoid these exchange rate problems by simply pegging its currency to the dollar. However, they are loathe to do so, because that would tie their monetary policy to US monetary policy, which they have no say in. A unified currency would, presumably, give them some say in the monetary policy, and so that is their preferred option. However, the US has no real interest in including Canada in monetary policy deliberations, at least on anything close to equitable terms, or in avoiding exchange rate effects, and so the plan is a non-starter even without considering the widespread public opposition to a hypothetical North American Union.
     
  11. Pandaemoni Valued Senior Member

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    Sorry, but that too is a myth...follow below:

    26 USC Section 1:
    26 USC Section 6151:
    Seems clear to me, but just to close the loop on "am I required to file a return?":

    26 USC Section 6012(a):
    As for it simply being unconstitional, you can pretty much google up the debunking of that. The Constitution in fact does permit income taxes. Go to any court in the land after refusing to pay your taxes and the judges will tell you so.
     
  12. EndLightEnd This too shall pass. Registered Senior Member

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    Can you please provide the links from which you got the information?
     
  13. Pandaemoni Valued Senior Member

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  14. EndLightEnd This too shall pass. Registered Senior Member

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    Im not sure what that is, but that isnt the US constitution. Those appear to be charters added at a later date AFTER income taxes were already established.

    Go back and read the page I posted and it shows there is no place in the US constitution to allow for income tax.
     
  15. EndLightEnd This too shall pass. Registered Senior Member

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    Yes, no one pay attention to this. Obama is also help push this thing through...

    From CNN
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rr1bA6fDqA

    The New Boss is starting to look alot like the Old Boss when it comes to out sourcing jobs to other countries. These reporters are disturbed reporting this.
     
  16. stateofmind seeker of lies Valued Senior Member

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    If you really think this and it's not just sarcasm then I've just lost a little more hope for any freedom in the future.
     
  17. sly1 Heartless Registered Senior Member

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    boy o boy are you out of the loop.....
     
  18. CheskiChips Banned Banned

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    I hope that the NAU happens, it will be a good opportunity to make some money...as soon as I get wind of it...BOOM put all of my capital in Pesos then the Peso will suddenly shoot up when collected.
     
  19. sly1 Heartless Registered Senior Member

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    lol

    yes like your going to catch wind of it before all the other opportunistic users, thinking the same thing as you right now...

    Yay opportunity for making money. Do you even consider the implications of NAU farther than your pocket book?
     
  20. CheskiChips Banned Banned

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    Don't consider them, don't care. I'll be damned if some union that might happen maybe is going to ruin my attitude.
     
  21. sly1 Heartless Registered Senior Member

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    wow...you got me speachless, I can't even reply to that.
     
  22. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    Have you just arrived from a parallel universe?

    The rich got us into the depression & the rich led us out because it benefited them
     
  23. Pandaemoni Valued Senior Member

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    That is the Internal Revenue Code 26 United States Code. You said there is no law saying anyone has to pay income tax, and those are the statutes (i.e. "laws"), passed by Congress, that say you have to pay income tax. If you still want to argue that the income tax is unconstitutional, that's fine. You'd lose in a federal court (or in any other branch of government), but you are free to assert whatever you like. That said, there are federal laws, on the books, that say people must pay income taxes to the federal government.
     

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