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View Full Version : No nations, single govt. Could it work?
Would it be possible to have a single government for the entire world? All individual nations would be eliminated and combined into a huge world state. I've always been a fan of HG Wells and he came up with this United States of the World type idea that took the power to wage wars out of the hands of individual nations. It was written after WW1. His ideas went on to form the UN, you can probably imagine his disapointment. I think it could work if they actually got a single nation but have a council made up of the most intelligent people from the previous nations to govern it.
Would it be possible to have a single government for the entire world? All individual nations would be eliminated and combined into a huge world state. I've always been a fan of HG Wells and he came up with this United States of the World type idea that took the power to wage wars out of the hands of individual nations. It was written after WW1. His ideas went on to form the UN, you can probably imagine his disapointment. I think it could work if they actually got a single nation but have a council made up of the most intelligent people from the previous nations to govern it.
Not very likely. Look at the problems the EU is having.
There would be far too much "turfism" and local concerns to make it workable on a world-scale. Perhaps in several hundred years...
the question is how to bring forth the intellectuals with similar ideals. so long as human nature remains tempermental will we always differ in thought and motivation. there will always exist an opposing mind, along with it a desire to rebel; one of the roots of war. to have one nation will require human to begin anew, at a blank state void of prejudice and selfish concern.
KennyJC 10-17-05, 09:05 AM I think this would most likely happen if/when the next time a global extinction takes place and we get to start from new. Hopefully some lessons will be learned upon relflection if the surviving human race has to live underground, and may deem it necessary for everyone to follow the same laws. Especially if consequences of the civilised world lead to the collapse of a sustainable ecosystem in the first place, the only way to make sure a repeat didn't occurr would be a world wide government.
the question is how to bring forth the intellectuals with similar ideals. so long as human nature remains tempermental will we always differ in thought and motivation. there will always exist an opposing mind, along with it a desire to rebel; one of the roots of war. to have one nation will require human to begin anew, at a blank state void of prejudice and selfish concern.
Hmmm.. Well, if that's what it takes, the chances have just been reduced to a little less than zero.
Fraggle Rocker 10-17-05, 07:15 PM Worst, stupidest, most dangerous frelling idea I've ever heard! Governments become less accountable, more arrogant, more expensive, less productive, more violent, more powerful, less caring, more corrupt, more coercive, more confiscatory, more regal, more self-serving, and just generally more out of touch and out of control as they become larger. The number of levels of separation between the people at the top and their constituency becomes so great that the connection vanishes. The president, queen, dictator, prime minister, or whatever they prefer to be called is surrounded by people who tell them how great they are and carry out their every wish, when they're not trying to unseat them and take their place.
Just look at the world's three most powerful nations: the USA, China, and the former USSR. Governments totally out of control. So out of touch that they don't even realize they're supposed to have a mission to serve the people. The leaders do favors for their cronies and their cronies keep the common folk in line, using whatever methods they find necessary and effective.
Having this entire planet under the control of ONE SINGLE government would be even worse than the Soviet Union: you literally COULD NOT LEAVE, no matter what you were willing to sacrifice our how great a risk you were willing to take... because there would be nowhere else to go!
What we need to do, if we want to save civilization, is exactly the opposite. Start breaking up these preposterously large nations with their ponderous, value-subtracting bureaucracies. The demise of the USSR was a good start but Russia by itself is still too big to work. If China were broken up into about twenty nations, each one would still have fifty million people! That's more than enough to have a healthy economy but they could compete with each other.
The USA could naturally be divided logically into about eight countries with populations that shared the same philosophy and politics. Make that nine, let Texas stand alone so the next time it produces a Lyndon Johnson or a George Bush, he can only screw up Texas and the rest of us can decide if we want to bail it out or just let it go back to Mexico--which should be about five countries.
Europe was just fine the way it was and I think the Europeans are slowly figuring that out.
There's nothing wrong with abolishing tariffs and allowing free immigration and emigration and nations standing up for their neighbors if they're attacked. It just works better if they're small enough that the people in charge don't lose sight of why they're there. More countries means more experimentation with different economic, political, and cultural systems. Didn't we lose something when Los Angeles, Seattle, New York, Boston, Chicago, Dallas, and Atlanta stopped being different from each other?
Would you really want to have only one choice of where to live, and the government decided that red meat or motorcycles or parrots or rap music or videogames or fornication was bad for us and banned it?
you bastard kennyCJ, you stole my response. :) However, I was going to put it more like, sure we can have one government, after a nuclear holocaust.
It would be a long time, but not impossible to have an effective world gov't.
Hapsburg 10-18-05, 02:05 AM Would it be possible to have a single government for the entire world? All individual nations would be eliminated and combined into a huge world state. I've always been a fan of HG Wells and he came up with this United States of the World type idea that took the power to wage wars out of the hands of individual nations. It was written after WW1. His ideas went on to form the UN, you can probably imagine his disapointment. I think it could work if they actually got a single nation but have a council made up of the most intelligent people from the previous nations to govern it.
It would not work, unless you did it by force, or if some catastrophe (aliens) happened.
If it's the latter, it becomes a bit easier, as long as you control the most powerful nation and start spinning a concept of "human nationalism" as being a better species, etc. etc.
In short, nah, it's never, never, gonnahappen.
actually tat is just what the Illuminati want and are workin for........a world government, which tey all te new world order. haven't you heaaaaard????
Hapsburg 10-18-05, 03:51 AM Man, the illuminati does not fuckin' exist. It's just a rumor spread by idiots to confuse smart people.
Man, the illuminati does not fuckin' exist. It's just a rumor spread by idiots to confuse smart people.
prove it
antifreeze 10-18-05, 04:04 AM it won't can't happen. the distribution of wealth necessary to keep everyone even remotely placated will not leave enough for people to enjoy a halfway decent standard of living. beyond that, one of the many problems with empire building is the distance involved. look at the former spanish or british empires authority weakens over large distances. furthermore, i don't think there is much wrong with the current distribution of autonomy save for a disputed region here and an angry multicultural warzone there. and in any case, what would uniting the world solve? instead of nations fighting each other over property or socioeconomic status, you would be left with the people of your mega-nation fighting amongst themselves.
P.S. i apologize for any spelling errors i may have commited, i'm kind of drunk. :p
devils_reject 10-20-05, 05:21 PM Not entirely impossible as long as we eliminate pluralism in culture and ideas. It is in fact pluralist culture that is responsible for many wars and conflicts. Maybe its time for a change, nonetheless to make a singular government feasible we will need technology thats makes the world even smaller, i.e internet. Maybe this type of government is in fact inevitable if we consider the fact that throughout civilizations there is always a dominant culture or superpower, and in fact as technology gets better this idea might be inevitable all together.
spidergoat 10-20-05, 05:36 PM We have such a thing, it's called the UN. It's inherently difficult, since the interests of countries are all different. One would expect a world government to be ineffectual most of the time for this reason. I wouldn't want an effective world government, because that would mean that the interests of many nations get trumped by the more powerful and influential. Even with this limitation, I think it's a good thing. In such a forum, issues may be worked out that couldn't have any place else.
Hapsburg 10-20-05, 09:10 PM A single world-nation under a monogovernment, like the UN but with more de facto authority, would be split asunder into a massive-scale civil war almost from the beginning.
one_raven 10-21-05, 02:39 AM Why would you want it?
mountainhare 10-21-05, 03:56 AM If the ruling body used ruthless tactics, fear, violence and brutality to keep everyone in line, I'm sure that such a dream would be possible. However, if you don't have the power and influence to stop everyone from seceding, say hello to civil war!
one_raven 10-21-05, 03:59 AM Global civil war... Helluva concept!
Slacker47 10-23-05, 02:03 AM No, I would destroy it on the underground as the leader of the Fog of Death
Seriously: it wouldn't work, it would just be there. No government works, its just there to make us think we are doing good. Herd tactics make the individual dumb. A NWO would retard every human.
cosmictraveler 10-23-05, 09:20 AM Not really unless allot of conditions were met. I'd think that there would be to many ways that everyone woyuld want to run the world so that it really won't work for all of the differences that everyone has. It could be worked out over the long run with the economicly powerful nations taking the lead of the central core of the organization for they want to dominate everyone through the economic policies they make.
Hapsburg 10-23-05, 03:25 PM Global civil war... Helluva concept!
Yet, isn't that pretty much what humanity has been in since the beginning of time? Humanity has been the dominant species on the planet, and ever since that time, humans have been fighting each other. You could possibly call all that's happened a "human civil war", since we all the same species, fighting each other.
Baron Max 10-23-05, 06:29 PM Yet, isn't that pretty much what humanity has been in since the beginning of time? Humanity has been the dominant species on the planet, and ever since that time, humans have been fighting each other. You could possibly call all that's happened a "human civil war", since we all the same species, fighting each other.
Yeah, Hap ...but people don't like to admit that! They'd prefer to think that humans are nice guys and only a few a "bad guys" ....it makes 'em feel better. Plus they can point at recent headlines of violence and shake their heads and say, "Geez, won't "those people" ever learn?" See? It's a way of insulating themselves from reality ....most people prefer to live their lives in fantasyland.
Baron Max
leopold99 10-24-05, 01:42 AM concernig one world government: wouldn't a healthy society produce patriots? and if we got rid of the patriots wouldn't we have an unhealthy society?
Shifty Russian 10-24-05, 03:34 AM If the Shiites, Sunni's and Kurds can't live together...
How you going to get more than 6 billion people to agree on things.
So the answer is No to the original post. I didnt read the rest.
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what would be the purpose of this one world government? establish security and peace throughout the land? give every man woman and child basic humanitarian needs? Lets face it human beings are cold, manipulative, selfish species whos only concern is self preservation
i think this wolrd needs a unifying cause, say an alien invasion or mass viral epidemic which turns victims into flesh eating zombies or something of the sort.
Also, there would need to be a redistribution of industries and commerce from the traditional hubs to better facilitate the expansion of economies of third world nations.
I rather enjoy the concept behind the moive "Day after tomorrow" where we see northern hemisphere rendered uninhabitable forcing them to migrate to the poorer nations in the southern hemisphere. Such an occurance would see the explosion in grothw of their industrial, and commercial complexes.
Unless one of the above happens it would not be a viable option.
spidergoat 10-24-05, 11:59 AM If the ruling body used ruthless tactics, fear, violence and brutality to keep everyone in line, ...
You seem to admire that sort of thing.
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