Is any one here is doing any research on Nine Unknown Men and their connection to India ?

If 'Yes', pls post some findings !

One URL on Nine Unknown Men : http://www.marugati.com/num.htm

:)

Nine? I thought there are 12. Oh, well - it is hard to keep track of Unknowns....:D

I have heard that there are highly evolved people that are used to facilitate in the development of our specis. It is an invitation only group. Sometimes there are temporary help that are used. I have posted about this somewhere in this forum before.

Recently I read about these 9, in a very old Sanskrit text book or rather documentation. And I also read in another book about how to reach these yogis, by having strict practices of certain types of meditation and life styles. The ‘books’ also say that they are immortals and can be contacted by changing our lifestyles and believes.

I think the following old story might be interesting to the readers.

In Kerala, India once a Brahmin (a priest) did a very special pooja for a King so that the King achieves auspicious powers as that of Lord Indra (King of Heavenly entities) and by the time this Pooja reached its end Lord Indra complained to Lord Narayana (Maha Vishnu – One of the trinities in Hinduism) about he loosing his kigdom because of a worldly King achieving such powers. To stop this Indra was sent to the Brahmin and was requested to stop, but the Brahmin said the Pooja is being conducted as per the King’s direction so if the Kind decides to stop he can stop the Pooja. So they went to the King and requested, the King was so good at heart that he asked the Brahmin to stop. Then the Brahmin said, now that the King has requested to stop the pooja, the Brahmin will stop it only if he could meet Lord Narayana. But it is an unwritten rule that no human being can never see Lord Narayana with his eyes. But the Brahmin insisted and there was no go other than Lord Narayana to appear before him, and the same was a done. From that day those people (family of priests) have got a name of ‘Netra Narayana’ (Those who has seen Lord Narayana with their own eyes) and the priest from this particular family does not bangs the bell in a temple as these priests are supposed to have a direct contact with the Lord.

This practice still persist in this family and there are so many amazing stories about them in many epics.

The family of these priests are now known as Mezhathur Agnihotri and the members if this family are still alive.

Info what we could guess is that, the Brahmin priest who first saw Lord Narayana got blessed with a method to change his prakruthi (attitude, life, thinking pattern, food habits, yogic powers – I am not getting correct words to explain it) so as to be heavenly.

Similarly in Maha Bharatha and Bhagavath Geeta there are stories that depicts such incidents where some heavenly bodies have appeared before mortals. So surely there is a way for a mortal to interact with heavenly bodies and I am interested to know that more.

:cool:

Access to universal consciousness can only open up by the right type of thinking pattern. But to be a part of the planetary consulting group requires severe yoga work namely jnana yoga.

One must have understanding and thought practice beyond good and evil with extraordinary understanding of cause-effect relationship, not to mention the ability to get synched to the nature of the universe as it unfolds with detachment.

That is very hard to do....

Will Jnana Yoga alone do ? I disagree, I think Bhakthi (devotion) is what is required to elevate to higher levels. Lord Shiva himself finds this devotion in his love for Devi (Lordess Parvathy). This being reason for the existence of Lord (universe) himself and this attachment of each atoms to stick on with each other, make all the things work. I think it is that devotion which we all lag, and that’s why I decided to get married !!!:D

Jesus had that Love, Budha had that Love, Allah had that Love and let me also search that love.

Seems like a good idea. For Bhakti Yoga - one does not have to learn anything (it is too much hard work!), just follow your heart. Keep your mind out of it and you will do fine.

But for the wisemen they need to exercise that brain of thiers to solve your complex problems. Last time I checked, wisdom comes from the mind and not the heart. But, it is always an eternal struggle between the heart and the mind. One does not exist without the other.

BTW: Disagreement also comes from the mind too! :D

[B]Seems like a good idea. For Bhakti Yoga - one does not have to learn anything (it is too much hard work!), just follow your heart. Keep your mind out of it and you will do fine. [B]

Bhakti is different from ‘Bhakti Yoga’ and Bhakti Yoga is very much different from what you have said above!!! And the Bhakti I am referring to is assumed along with meditation as an attitude and temperament.

The process of worshipping various aspects of the total is called saguna upasana (when joined in Sanskrit it becomes sagunopasana) or saguna Brahma upasana. Thus one can invoke the total in any form prescribed already and he can even select one on his own. The shastra (scripture) says that what is needed more is bhakti or bhava or devotion. It is the sincere devotion of the bhakta (a devote) that brings in life to the idol and will bestow the bhakta with whatever is necessary to that bhakta.
The lives of great bhaktas like Prahlada, Narada, Dhruva, Hanuman etc. in the Puranas and the Meera Bai, Tuka Ram, Ramakrishna Paramahamsa etc. of modern times have shown us that it is the bhakti or devotion that is the one thing what is essential and not the external practices. External practices may give one some bhakti and may lead him toward higher and higher understanding but external practices do not guarantee this.

In the Bhagavat Gita chapter twelve is called Bhakti Yoga. Here Lord Krishna talks about who is a real bhakta. Nowhere in that discussion the Lord talks about external practices.

[B]What all he talks there is only attitudes and temperament that is needed. [B]

Moreover in chapter ten of the Bhagavat Gita the Lord says that I am japa among all yajnays (spiritual rituals). This in turn shows that japa is given a high priority in the tradition for spiritual progress. Saguna Brahma upasana is invariably associated with japa, worship and meditation.

In Sanskrit there are two ways of looking at the meaning of a word. One is Vyutpatti Artha or ‘derived meaning’ from the root. The second one is called Roodhi Artha or ‘commonly known meaning’.

· The derived meaning of japa is to think.
· The commonly known meaning of japa is to repeat a mantra number of times for a length of time.

A bit of basics for those “new wise men“

There are two types of results for every activity. One is called “Drishta Phala” or “Seen Result” and the other is called “Adrishta Phala” or “Unseen Result”. Many times we see that, though all known factors are taken care of, still the result does not come as it is expected because still some unknown factors played there. All prayers are meant to take care of this unknown factor because known factors are supposed to be addressed by the individual pragmatically. When the individual is not in a position to take care of a known factor due to incapacity to do so then one can take recourse to a prayer to gain strength and capacity to take care of those known factors.

In Bhagavat Gita Lord says

“Karmani eva adhikaraha te mâ phaleshu kadachana”.

You have right over action only but not on its results because results are taken care of by the law of karma. Then the Lord says

“Mâ karma pahalahetuhu bhut mâ te sangotsva karmani”,

let you not be the causes of the results and at the same time do not take to inaction just because the results are governed by the laws of action and reaction. Given this background japa or ‘mantra chanting’ is mainly taken up to take care of the Adrishta Phala portion or for taking care of the Unseen Factors. Hence here the japa is more centred on chanting with a prayerful attitude. Where as mantra meditation is directly to attain tranquility and peace of mind which is a Drishta Phala or seen result.

[B]"Last time I checked, wisdom comes from the mind and not the heart. But, it is always an eternal struggle between the heart and the mind. One does not exist without the other. BTW: Disagreement also comes from the mind too"[B]

Now we will discuss how a mantra works on the body and mind. The modern Mind-Body medicine has conclusively proved that mind works on the body directly, either in the adverse way or in a beneficial way. Mind thinks in two ways. One is linear thinking and another is associative thinking. IQ is associated with linear thinking and EQ is associated with associative thinking. Japa breaks both these circuits and allows the mind to be in state of rest and awareness. It gives the mind wakeful rest. This is more effective than a long rest in relaxing the entire system. When japa of a mantra is done the next thought is known which is not possible otherwise. This leads to a certainty of the mind leading to rest and focus. It does not lead to monotony as it is stated generally, because each chant is full and complete in itself in meaning and feeling. When a mantra is chanted either verbally or mentally then it vibrates the brain matter and connects new neural circuits.

[B]This helps in higher understanding of the Truth as revealed by that mantra. [B]

But this effect comes after repeating the mantra for a long period of time and bringing in the resonance effect in the brain. For this the seers developed various methods. How much a mantra is to be chanted and how it is to be chanted etc. were all given in the Mantra Shastra (Scripture of Mantras).

A mantra contains at least one syllable and can contain any number of syllables. These one-syllable mantras are called bija aksharas or bi-ja’s. Bija means a seed. In Sanskrit when bija is reversed it becomes jiba or jiva, which means the individual. Both the individual and the seed are eternal because no one can ever say when the first individual or the first seed started. They started with the creation itself. Now each of these bija mantras reflects different aspects of the Truth in a subtler way. The very important aspect of any mantra is, the bija’s are considered as living only if taken from a living person and are considered ineffective if taken from books. This necessitates for a Guru. And a man who has not received the blessing of a ‘real” Guru by means of initiation through bija mantras all his efforts (and words) are in vein.

All the scientific principles like the ‘Law of Gravity’ or the ‘Theory of Relativity’ are unknown to the eyes, ears, nose, tongue and skin. Knowledge is directly revealed to the ‘inner instrument’ or antah-karana. Mind is also called by that name in Sanskrit. Mind in an intuitive state directly understands all the higher laws. One who knows these higher and subtler laws, unknown to the five senses, is called a scientist in the modern world and is called a rishi in Sanskrit. Rishi means rishati janati iti rishih: one who sees and knows. Sees and knows all these higher and subtler laws.

Rishi is a seer: a seer of Mantras. So better find one and listen !

Originally posted by Rajagopals
Bhakti is different from ‘Bhakti Yoga’ and Bhakti Yoga is very much different from what you have said above!!! And the Bhakti I am referring to is assumed along with meditation as an attitude and temperament.

Cultural and language differences not to mention social perceptions can create misunderstanding.

Here in west (from US perspective) Yoga is defined as Union with God or as per dictionary "a Hindu theistic philosophy; union of self and the Supreme Being ".

Are you saying that the definition of your use of the word "Bhakti" is devoid of God or the Supremebeing? and the meaning is different from "Bhakti Yoga"?

Are you saying that the definition of your use of the word "Bhakti" is devoid of God or the Supremebeing? and the meaning is different from "Bhakti Yoga"?

Yes

But the same also includes the Supreme Being. I believe in ‘Aham Brahmasmi’ means ‘I am what it is’ means the entire universe in only filled with this Supreme Being, it exists as, ‘You’, as ‘Me’, as the language we interact with, as the love (bhakti) that we are talking about, and the meaning itself.

So I do not know how I could explain it more in a clear way. But still I would give it a try. You might understand that Bhakti if you can think of the love that you have for your mother, it can also remind you of the same if you have a great girl friend !!:) , you can feel it if you are a pure patriot and you are thinking of your country, and etc…this bhakti is that devotion without prayers, or any religious act attached to it, its just pure mental feeling not at all a physical act.

Or rather it is that perfect and pure state of belief, which can boost your ego to a level where you become fearless about anything (as you could feel the love that anything emanates) and which makes you go beyond, which tells you all the truth, which makes you the best devotee, which makes you the best disciple, which makes you a better listener, which makes you a great saint, which makes you a supernatural doctor, which makes you the most wonderful lover. It is this love that we (humans) are devoid of and it is this love, which is the key to the next level, and it is this love that all those divine entities practiced, preached, and promoted in their holly lives.

Oh, I get it - your explanation reminds me of an english word called Passion.

Thank you for clearing that up.

Other Syn: Emotion, feeling, lust, sentiment, craving, desire....etc.

Now I get it, I thought you are bad only in Eastern Philosophy, now I feel that you are bad in English too !!

To make things very clear to that simple mind of yours,

Bhakti = Devotion

and

Devotion = attachment, loyalty, fidelity, dedication, commitment, affection, fondness, care - all put together.

I don’t know whether you have “PASSION” for your mother ?

And is the “PASSION” for the country is different from that !!!

And coming back to the point of Love, try to practice that and try to remove the hatred you have in your mind (which reflects in all your postings!) which will only make you sick, physically as well as mentally.

And about me posting about any topic here, I will tell you, my level is very small compared to your’s ! I am just a beginner, and let us do not have an ego issue here and get diverted from the topic. My only intension is peace and friendship, and support and direction to those needy humans. And basically learn in the process. So lets us do not waste our time like this.

Ohm Shantihi !:m:

Why did not you say so in the first place? Oh! expert in English...somebody had to pry it out like pulling teeth....

And about Eastern Philosophy - please post your pseudoscience material in that department.

Thank you.

Rajagopals,
Please don't make such personal and silly posts.
All the while, we have prided this as one clean forum for more thought and less abuse- though I myself am relatively new.
And I am really surprised you make comments about english and stuff like that. I think you often also lose the flow of what you are trying to say and veer off.

This is my earnest request. Thanks.

The Indian Emperor Ashoka started a "Secret Society of the Nine Unknown Men": great Indian scientists who were supposed to catalogue the many sciences. Ashoka kept their work secret because he was afraid that the advanced science catalogued by these men, culled from ancient Indian sources, would be used for the evil purpose of war, which Ashoka was strongly against...

The "Nine Unknown Men" wrote a total of nine books, presumably one each. Book number was "The Secrets of Gravitation!"...

it was that freak childress and his vimana's that talked about the 9 guys

I assure you spookz - that was a myth like many before and after. It is like giving the blue print of Atholon XP chip to a person in the Roman empire and telling about the computer technology and how it can wipe out your enemy in less than 100 hours.

Better yet, it is like passing the description of the computer architecture or missile technology verbally to people of that time serially until it gets written down five generations later. Such books would be meaningless and practically useless.

That is why, India is unable to develop any advanced weaponery and had to depend on Russia for most of the armaments and missile technology.

actually km, the issue to me is not its usefulness, but rather the fact of its supposed existence in that particular time period. in any case these hindus aint the only civ that had stories of flying machines. most others did too.

Thank you and I agree.

Originally posted by UltiTruth
Rajagopals,
Please don't make such personal and silly posts.
All the while, we have prided this as one clean forum for more thought and less abuse- though I myself am relatively new.
And I am really surprised you make comments about english and stuff like that. I think you often also lose the flow of what you are trying to say and veer off.

This is my earnest request. Thanks.

Ain't all this silly ?

Originally posted by Rajagopals
Ain't all this silly ?
Possible. But could help it!
:bugeye:

Even now these 'advance inventions' take place, especially in the current day modern, advanced civilizations. Who talk about UFO, anti-gravity & levitation fanctasies would feel vindicted (?!) when the technology advances to beat the gravity in a different way..!

Dear Nine Unknown Men poster:

I strongly recommend you read "The Stargate Conspiracy"
by Lynn Picknett and Clive Prince. It's a sober
expose regarding the very influential impact
that belief in the Nine Unknown Men or the Council of Nine
has on the highest levels of global statecraft.

Also please do a google search under my name, Drew Hempel.

Of interest would be my summary on "The Actual Matrix Plan."


drew hempel

Nine? I thought there are 12. Oh, well - it is hard to keep track of Unknowns....

Yeah but three of the original dudes quit after a disagreement with their manager and went off to form their own group of even lesser known men.

Originally posted by m0rl0ck
Yeah but three of the original dudes quit after a disagreement with their manager and went off to form their own group of even lesser known men.

We should soon know - since shooting for the the new Battlestar Galactica has already started......:D

May the farce be with you! :cool:

Km,(Hi!.:))you quoted:
<i>That is why, India is unable to develop any advanced weaponery and had to depend on Russia for most of the armaments and missile technology.</i>

Although initially i would say they helped India with supply of defence,but I'd say India has been a self sufficient country in terms of building Nuclear missiles and other inter continental missiles.It has not taken help from USSR to develop its own Nuclear arsenals.In fact during Indra Gandhi's regime Ronald Reag was warned about the Atomic weapons tests conducted by India and it was a major surprise even to USSR.Self sufficiency has always been there in terms of defence.When U.S refused to give India Super Computer,Indians Built their own,you could research more on internet over that.It was infact an improvement over U.S's.

Yes Airplanes and other stuffs like tanks were not being built in India,But here's the news.Indians have just successfully tested their own Jet.Its called "Tejas".Although on an American Engine,in about two months India will be capable enough to produce its own Warplanes.
You can check out DRDO site for more details.

bye!

as far as nuclear technology goes india's been self sufficient, but not so when it comes to arms and weaponry. most of it's fighter aircraft are MiG's etc. it's gradually working towards self-sufficiency, but not too long back it bought an aircraft carrier from Russia.

Yes.But i wonder why MIGs go down every month or so in India?
Thats probably because most of them are Old .Thus there was a pressing need to become self sufficient...



bye!

For more on India's defense stuff, see discussion at:

http://groups.msn.com/IndiaWin/technology.msnw

This is a very interesting thread, thanks for posting such a topic. I had never heard of the concept before (at least not in the form of nine unknown men) and find it worth exploring. However, I don’t like the way this marugati-site tries to manipulate the readers. A pity that the makers of this site do not restrict themselves on giving facts or naming a legend. Look a the list of books, and you will see what I mean.
For the first book the use the words “is said to have been”. When describing the second until fourth one, it is “was” and later the verbs are used in present tense (contains, expounds, deals). This manipulation is unnecessary and unworthy of scientists.
Has anyone looked into the possibility that those nine are symbols for something?
What meaning does the number "nine" have in indian mythology?

However, I don’t like the way this marugati-site tries to manipulate the readers.

The content of the web page is a cut and paste from yet another web page, which has disappeared from the net but could be found in the following cached URL of Google ! :)

http://216.239.33.100/search?q=cache:7xrO8WNUakcJ:www.vested-tyme.net/KEELYNET/PARANORM/NINE.HTM+%22Nine+Unknown+Men%22+100,000+Kalingan+l ost&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

Has anyone looked into the possibility that those nine are symbols for something?
Yes very much, I have done a lot of research on the topic and I was able to find of lot of interesting information on the same. What I feel is that these, Nine Unknown Men (NUM) are the divine teachers or the first Gurus as we can call them. In the myths it is said that Lord Shiva learned Yoga from a group of people known as “Aghoras” means “to be within life” or “non-terrifying”(AGHORA also means the hour before sunset in tamascheq, and the language of tuareg in North Africa). These NUM are the holy men in the Aghora sect who propagated the idea of love, love for life, they tried to find good in everything. These people are the divine sources of energy which will exist till the end of the universe and will guide all those pure hearted-ones towards their goal of search for the inner truth. These NUM have been named in few of the old texts and said that 3 of them lives in heaven, 3 on earth and heaven and 3 in hell. (I found this info in the sivasakti web site! but not able to furnish the correct URL!) Any way some reference is made at http://shivashakti.com/dadaji.htm

Some of the old text books on Yoga details various practices of self discipline, the measure of which is done through some physical changes to the practitioner. Eg, a yogi who is maintaining a certain level of discipline will not cast a shadow etc. One of such self discipline talks about meeting these holy men (NUM) as an end result of maintaining a particular state of mind through physical and mental discipline.

The story goes on and on and on. I assume Mother Google is the first step towards NUM ! I suggest reading all materials for the sake of information (NOT KNOWLEDGE!) on Eastern Philosophy.

What meaning does the number "nine" have in Indian mythology?
http://search.atomz.com/search/?sp-q=Nine&sp-a=000726ba-sp00000000

Add to that:

Nine planets of our Solar System

@Rajagopals
Do you mean this site? http://www.zenzibar.com/news/article.asp?id=2085
I could not open your first link. The others are o.k. Still reading them and following other links. Very interesting.

sparkle,

URL edited ! Pls try

NUM are the great saints whom a Yoga practitioner should dream of meeting. Or rather they are the “Yogis among Yogis”. I have guessed about of one them correctly I think ! Means I have found one of them. I assume with that I can find the rest of them also. But I stopped the process as I respect their current status of being Unknown, let me enjoy what I found out !

Hi Rajagopal

I am sorry to seemingly disregard the restrictions of this thread; it is very difficult to find anything directly relating to the nine men and the symbolism they may represent. In the recent days I did some studies on the topic and found some parallels between the nine unknown men and some phenomena close to more western culture in terms of symbolism. I just post some of the things I found for comments (validity? probability of a connection? differences?) :

“Nine unknown men” are seen as the secret forces behind world politics and development – some sources name them the “secret world government”.

The Knights Templar order was founded by nine members. Very often they are named a “secret world government”.

The Rosicrucians, another secret society, has the number 108 within its symbols; and one and eight equals nine. (http://www.metroactive.com/papers/metro/12.11.97/cover/rosicrucian1-9750.html)
They are also said to have nine primary degrees (http://www.echoedvoices.org/Sep2002/Rosicrucians.html)

Another “secret world government” is said to be the aim of the freemasons. The “99 lodge” is quite famous. Yet another secret society with a connection to number nine.

What is your opinion on this? (I keep my mind totally open about this issue, you can be critical. No problem with that.)
I should also mention that two famous writers about secret societies do NOT mention the “nine unknown men” in their works, at least I did not read anything in the books I have access to. I mean Dieter Rüggeberg and Jan van Helsing (also quite controversial). They are also not mentioned in my translation of “Histoire mondiale des societes secretes” by Serge Hutin.

BTW: Wise men nobody knows and a mission to secretly rule the world? The divisive “Protocols of the Meetings of the Learned Elders Of Zion" comes to mind…Some of the protocols, fake or not, seem to correspond to the books supposedly written by the nine unknown men…

I am sorry to seemingly disregard the restrictions of this thread;
You should be, because what is said there is the wrong information or truth misinformed. To put things the way I understood, there are surely nine divine entities out there, who by virtue of their Yoga practice remain in human form itself (reason for being human I explained in some of my earlier posts). These people are meant to be the light of the universe - by connecting different worlds (as per Eastern thoughts) in the right way, transferring energies and entities to balance and accommodate evolution and the increasing entropy of the universe. Information about these NUM are available with our own self, or our soul, or our mind. When we are able to evolve in to better human beings, as far as our level of understanding is concerned, we will find them very easily. The first reference about these NUM are made in many Indian epics as well as old text books as “Nava Avijnata Purusha”
(Nine Unknown Men) or Nava Yogi (Nine Yogic Practitioners). These are immortal souls who have attained the highest stages of Yoga – the state of being one with the universe – para brahmam. Few interesting point to note are,

1 Being one with the universe - Such a stage does exits
2. Human beings can surely attain it by practicing Yoga
3. The source of information to such an evolution already exists in every human being
4. We can get in touch with the universal truth (knowledge) existing inside us

You can feel a bit of these higher level of understanding by thinking of the love that you have for your mother, the fear that comes to you when you see some one else getting injured.

it is very difficult to find anything directly relating to the nine men and the symbolism they may represent.
Searching in the right place might give you some answers. I was fortunate enough to be in touch with a guy who said he owns a copy of an old text book “Vaimanika Tantra” (Science of the flying machines) written in Sanskrit in palm leaves. I got in touch with him through a friend of mine when they came to me to find a secret medicinal plant. They were trying to make a mixture of plant leaves which creates cooling effect. When enquired they said the details the was taken from a book called Vaimanika Tantra. The book is supposed to be written by one of the NUM. It explains a lot about making flying machines except its engine. When it comes to the engine it is said that the navigator of the plane uses something known as Laghima Sidhi (capability to become weightless) to fly these machines. It means only a Yogi who has achieved higher stages of practice could only fly on of these machines. If that is the case then he does not need any machines to fly !!! So the book is meant to misguide people - specifically those who are after easy money, fame and/or magical powers. It has meaningful details on medicinal capabilities of plants, metals and alkaloids but the same which could only be fully utilized by a Yogi. All those nine books are available at various good libraries in India and are available for reference too. But to understand these books first of all you need some one who is a Guru in Yoga and Sanskrit and more over the blessing of Lord He himself.
“Nine unknown men” are seen as the secret forces behind world politics and development – some sources name them the “secret world government”.Once a clairvoyant Yogi told me that the near future is for three things – music, Muslim and truth. I do not know about Muslim but I am sure about the other two. The whole world is changing towards Sathya Yugam (Time of the truth) and more and more people are becoming vegetarians and peace lovers. More and more people have started practicing Yoga in one or another form. More people have started talking about Eastern philosophy and Ayurveda. If ever a secret world govt is there who control the whole gamut of things about this world then surely they are the believers of truth and peace. And they might also have an organization which stands for the same, which might also have working members. Truth and knowledge is common to all and that which all have a share to ask for. Since these NUM are the ‘Kings among Yogis’ and “Yogis among Kings” I do not hesitate to believe that they might have a say on the world events.
What is your opinion on this? (I keep my mind totally open about this issue, you can be critical. No problem with that.) The chessboard is the world, the pieces are the phenomena of the universe, the rules of the game are the laws of the nature. The player on the other side is hidden from us.

All perception is inferential; all inference uncertain; all theory, a combination of perception and inference, is there for educated guessing.

Get yourself educated with wisdom of Yoga.

All perception is inferential; all inference uncertain; all theory, a combination of perception and inference, is there for educated guessing. - Rajagopals

Great...great...quote....

Thanks Rajagopals,
I found your clue and am following it. If you’d have been SURE I’d get it you would have been able to save many words, eh? ;)
Anyway, I am studying now. Just for your info: I am in the middle of a jungle with my laptop – all info I get comes from the net (for the time being).
Thanks a lot, I’ll be back after doing some homework.

I am in the middle of a jungle

Yesterday I saw Matrix Movie and the “choice is the problem” put a lot of thoughts in my mind. And as per the matrix theory (which almost sounds like Verses of Lord Krishna from Bhagavath Githa) has a major unaddressed question – whether the fate can be changed or not ? Before we answer that we need to define fate first.

If fate is nothing but the chain of events in a continuous manner which is predefined then as per the same rule if we skip a single event then the rest of it will also go out of track and we could skip the rest.

If time has no beginning then mapping the events to a person life is done with some other mechanism. And that mechanism is nothing but the number of breaths taken a day and the number of the breath on which a particular event is tagged on to. A normal human being takes about 21600 breaths a day and the same is almost steady through out his life unless other wise the person practice meditation which elongates his each breath.

If ever you are able to reduce few breaths every day you will be adding more years to your life span. But even then since events are also ready to wait for that right moment, a small change in number of breaths is only going to make you lucky not escape the fate.

If a Yogi (Yoga practitioner) reduces the number of breaths considerably like taking one breath every minute then he becomes what is known as “Swechenda” (free willed) – he does as he please. Literally breaks away from the chain of his share of events – fate.

I think if you are in jungle, then thats the right place to start the journey towards truth. Concentrate on the spot between your eyes with your eyes opened, but make sure that it ‘does not’ make that area tickle. If it tickles then the focus is on a body part rather than the void there then try to listen to the “hiss” sound at that point. If you are successful you will listen to the nature and the real jungle.

do these nine unknown men have anything to do with the navnaths who are on the contrary very famous in the indian yogic system !

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each of the nav naths, if that's what u are calling the NUM, have written advanced topics on the subject of yoga. one thing that may come to a yoga student's mind is the book goraksha samhita written by the ninth and last man, Gorakshanath.

and regarding vimans and stuff, if you search on the internet, there is an article cached by google, which tells about a plane flown in the last century in india, which includes several dignified witnesses to the event.

yes, ramayana spoke of the technology behind aviation, anybody who can get his hands on the unedited unabridged version ;)

i may not claim that india is a highly advanced civilization at present (which it may be), but it definitely was at the heights of glory once.

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Hi,
I am Anantha Shayana. D from Bangalore, Karnataka, INDIA. I am basically an animator and have been in this field for the past 6 years. I am heading a team of 7 here and have a small studio here in Bangalore. Now, coming to the point...
I have planned to do a 3D movie on ancient sciences of INDIA. This is sci-fi project which is going to introduce one ULTIMATE SUPERHERO from INDIA. I have meda a lot of research on "Nine Unknown Men" and happened to see some threads on this site and most of them were pretty interesting..

CAN you give any further AUTHENTIC information about the same and help me in the research part of this project. Credits will be given to poitential contributors. Just lemme know whatever you can do in this regard. Any help is most welcome. I can give you more details about the project if you want.

Regards,
Anantha Shayana. D,
Managing Partner,
CANVASFX

Best way to find stuff is from printed Puranas and Samhitas. You have to read between the lines to interpret to modern science and technology.

If an advanced society was destroyed due to large asteroid strike or energy weapons more powerful than atomic bombs like anti-matter bombs that we are presently doing research, then there will be no hadware left over 800,000 years except some stories by people hiding underground.

Use the material in Puranas, Ramayana etc. and modernize to the technology extrapolation to say another 500 years. Then you have a lot of rich stories. For example, the headband used by kings and senior officials can be used as communication devices. In Roswell UFO incidence, they found headbands that no one at the time figured out what they were.

I was told by a Sanskrit scholar that we are from the Mizar star system and that lot of amazing stories took place in the home planet and not on Earth. Who knows if that is just a story....

Good luck on making animation videos. It is about time, India produced based on established stories...Talk to the Wipro people if they want to fund it.

Well wikipedia has some nice information, don't know how authentic or accurate it is.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine_Unknown_Men

[COLOR="Blue"]Best way to find stuff is from printed Puranas and Samhitas. You have to read between the lines to interpret to modern science and technology.
The Puranas? The puranas talk about much science describing sciences dealing with matter, energy, space, time, atoms, innumerable universes, cosmology, gravity, etc...

The puranas don't really talk about technology, besides vimanas (flying machines), advanced weapons, traveling to other worlds, etc...

The puranas don't really talk about technology, besides vimanas (flying machines), advanced weapons, traveling to other worlds, etc...

I do not expect puranas and any Indian text to talk about how to make any specific technological items. My understanding is that all the written material came from information passed down from generation through Sruti. So, logically only the description and use of the products is easy to pass down, not the design.

Hi,
I am Anantha Shayana. D from Bangalore, Karnataka, INDIA......Any help is most welcome.

It’s been quite some time I posted anything in here because of the mere disappointing fact that there are lots of people in here who waste time in arguing things that they have no clue about.

This site was one place with lots of classy people and I used to spend hours on each of the enlightening postings. I see that ‘rich’ crowed has disappeared and what is left is toxic waste.

Coming back, I almost caught one of NUM. If you dive deep in this you will need to understand that the reason for the birth of ‘Budha’ and that religion and it’s real purpose.

I might be able to share the findings of my research but if that is going to create an uproar worldwide and is going to cause unnecessary tension for people who are following what they think is a religion would affect the whole world. Is that what we all want? At least not me.

I almost dropped this research as I started getting closer with my understanding of the “possibilities”. No one will be able to give authentic answers, but an intelligent guess is what is needed here which is absolutely logical. If the whole world is running on belief why not NUM ?

I am not interested in any credit, nor interested to promote a super hero from India. I am interested in truth which I don’t think has any selling value.

A good place for you to start the search would be to map 21 idols placed inside ‘Ulsoor’ Siva temple in Bangalore ;) If you are lucky you will find a beggar old man sitting next to that ‘swinging’ – I did met him :D

Hi Rajagopal ,

Please contact me at saraswat_sachin@yahoo.co.uk

-Sachin

Well, since someone resurrected this thread I'll put in my 2 cents. The idea of the 9 Unknown that got propogated in the West (largely through the book the Morning of the Magicians) actually comes from a pulp novel by Talbot Mundy--it's not a bad 1920s adventure novel but I wouldn't take it as a reliable source. Here's a short review of the novel & its reception:
http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/_v308/__show_article/_a000308-000328.htm

A good place for you to start the search would be to map 21 idols placed inside ‘Ulsoor’ Siva temple in Bangalore ;) If you are lucky you will find a beggar old man sitting next to that ‘swinging’ – I did met him :D
what exactly where u reffering to here? i'm a native of banagalore and was actually thinking of visiting this place and i happened to read ur post...some coincidence huh?

Hogwash. A truly enlightened being would realize the utter futility of improving the world.

Hogwash. A truly enlightened being would realize the utter futility of improving the world.

I think so too.

well i been enlightened i was looking at things the wrong way and sumone showed me there view on this forum
and i thanked em for giving me a new level to see things

think just in conversation one person can have the gift to express their meaning is upto you if you want it or not

what exactly where u reffering to here?

If someone is interested in a topic they should exert effort to get more information themselves than trying to collect second hand data from someone else. I was expecting to see the individual do his/her own research and then reach their own conclusion since the topic of reference occurred quite few many centuries back.

Since you asked, I could probably give some more clues (which could lead to few other :)). Try to read more about 18 Nath and also try to locate more information on books authored by (few) of them. If you are keen you may talk to few Ulsoor ‘old’ crowed who might give you details of the reason why these many idols are placed in a row with two very clearly noticeable things. One the first seat which was earlier occupied by a Muruga (Lord Subramanya) idol is left blank now and second the last 4 idols by the end of the row are kept in a way to signify its importance. This Muruga idol was also placed in the North-Eastern (Bramha sthanam) signifying that this is NOT one of the Budha temples which was converted to the currently existing system of tantric practice that most of the Hindu temples follow in India and else were in the world. North-Eastern corner of a temple also signifies the ‘care taker’ or ‘the path’. Neelatharadevi (one early Budha’s sister) who started current tantric practice (that exist in India today) structured practices around Kashmir Saivism which later disappeared or was hushed to keep things under control and protect valuable practices.

As you might be aware Lord Muruga is very closely referred along with the ‘left side path’ (and related evil worship) as well as his symbol peacock. Astonishingly peacock is also the national bird of India which originated from the time of emperor Ashoka.

This f:m:k never ends...and for the ones disabled above their eyes..its definitely hogwash.

Since we can’t correlate and don’t understand history (not that we don’t have much) and we said it’s hogwash, let’s order pizza and drink cola :rolleyes:

greetings, bhaiya

:)

Hi Rajagopal
I would like to know more about NUM. Are they really living humans like us or enlightened masters who doesnt have a physical body? Are they the same ones from Ashoka's times or they elect successors from time to time? In which book NUM and Ashoka is described? Why they dont help directly or indirectly for India's growth and its glory in present time? Can u mail me at satishp22@gmail?

thanks

An ancient conspiracy that may have been resurrected a few times in History.

Is any one here is doing any research on Nine Unknown Men and their connection to India ?

If 'Yes', pls post some findings !

One URL on Nine Unknown Men : http://www.marugati.com/num.htm

:)

The link doesn't work for me. Perhaps its an unknown link as well! :D

An ancient conspiracy that may have been resurrected a few times in History.
Resurrected? Would it be more plausible that it's ongoing just not fulfilled?

Yeah someone tried to pickup a dead idea or movement. Happens all the time. A few people get together and think they are better than the rest and say hmmm how can we make ourselves more "legitimate" and "powerful". So they pickup an old legend and try to make it their own. I'm thinking of the "Thugs" here, specifically in relation to the 9 unknown men.

Yeah someone tried to pickup a dead idea or movement. Happens all the time. A few people get together and think they are better than the rest and say hmmm how can we make ourselves more "legitimate" and "powerful". So they pickup an old legend and try to make it their own. I'm thinking of the "Thugs" here, specifically in relation to the 9 unknown men.

I'll buy that ... I guess I need more history on these "9". History is there but it needs to be found.

I need more history
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/51/Group_of_Thugs.gif

For the intelligent ones I will leave more clues, see if this interest you !

Now that we have a share of life in cyber world, let me leave few URLs

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thuggee

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Sri_Lanka (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Sri_Lanka)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asoka

Can we read between lines and assume (yes assume, what else can we do now other than that) Thugs were a sect formed from the ‘left behind’ govt assassins formed during Ashoka’s time. These were criminals supposed to protect science. Don’t know if Thugs were part of a larger scheme of things run by NUM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine_Unknown_Men)during Ashoka’s time !? Probably Mahinda (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahinda)and his guru (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moggaliputta-Tissa)has something to do with this :)

Hi Mr Rajagopal

WOuld you please answer my query? thanks:)