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android
07-30-06, 11:02 PM
Philosophical nihilism remains one of the most controversial ideas in the modern era. While it is not offensive in any of its parts, its concept rejects our enlightened creed of compassionate individualism. The American Nihilist Underground Society (ANUS) has been promoting nihilism since 1987 through a combination of absurdistic mockery and idealistic writing.

NIHILISM

Rejection of all inherent value frees us from a fascination with both materialism and moralism. These beliefs assert that what exists has ultimate value, and therefore that it is an end in itself and not a means to a life process. Nihilism asserts the opposite, and thus begins a path which leads us past fear of death to a heroic worldview.

http://www.anus.com/zine/philosophy/index_nihilism.html

MEDITATION

Like the quieting of distraction and distortion within the mind brought about by meditative focus, nihilism pushes aside preconception and brings the mind to focus within the time of the present. Influences which could radically skew our perceptions - emotions, nervousness, paranoia, or upset, to name a few - fade into the background and the mind becomes more open to the task at hand without becoming spread across contemplations of potential actions occurring at different levels of scale regarding the current task. Many human errors originate in perceiving an event to be either more important than it is, or to be "symbolically" indicative of relevance on a greater scale than the localized context which it affects, usually because of a conditioned preference for the scale of eventiture existing before the symbolic event.

http://www.anus.com/zine/philosophy/nihilism.html

EVOLUTION

Nihilism needs no justification. It follows the pattern of nature, which is evolution: successive replacement of previous forms of organization ("order","design") with better ones. There is no moral imperative to do any given act, only a practical one, in that if a proposed design works better even in some small way, those design details can be incorporated into the status quo, thus forcing it to the next level of evolution.

http://www.anus.com/zine/nihilism/

NATURE

This reminds me that whatever force created this universe is present in all things, as if each of us were a device driver or daemon running on a giant UNIX system, and that in its purest gaze, nature is not afraid of death because it does not die, even if its objects are destroyed and consumed. It is eternal, and whatever force engendered and sustains it grants consciousness to its bugs much as to its humans, aware that when they die, consciousness flows back into the whole and then out again to a new set of creatures. Life cannot die (barring ecocide by selfishly individualistic humans) but death is one of the colors of its palette, an unavoidable ochre to stain the canvas so that a watcher might feel an emotion in the contrast as the eye passes over form and vision, a story unfolding.

http://www.anus.com/zine/articles/nature

IDEALISM

Nihilism is a belief in nothing, which if you unpack it linguistically, means a positive belief in the value of nothing. Nothingness can be applied to all of our neuroses, fears, impressions, and the illusions produced by poor interpretation of our own senses. What is left is a clearer view of reality. We may never have 100% clarity in viewing our world, but the closer we get the more powerful we become. Thus nihilism strips aside anything that comes between us and a perception of structure and context in the world.

http://www.anus.com/zine/articles/definitions

As you can see, nihilism is one of the few undiscovered countries in philosophy, and one which will never be socially acceptable or marketable. ANUS has resisted the need for consumerist popularity and social acceptance, preferring solitary truth to endless companions in a bed of lies.

American Nihilist Underground Society (ANUS)
http://www.anus.com/

Tyler
07-31-06, 12:24 AM
"Philosophical nihilism remains one of the most controversial ideas in the modern era."

I haven't read the rest, but this is simply wrong.

Prince_James
07-31-06, 05:27 AM
Android:

A society that names itself after an asshole is suspicious in its worth off the bat. "ANUS"? Was this necessary? Come now.

Moreover, this society does not follow what "nihilism" means. Nihilism is not merely the removal of "all irrelevant value" but -all- value. It also is the belief that there exists no truth, knowledge, or really even existence. What this organization espouses is closer to Nietzsche, who really seems to express your viewpoints but more eloquently.

Seriously, read some of him and come back to us. Not that I would suggest he is that valuable, for he really isn't.

The Devil Inside
08-03-06, 07:11 AM
absurdity is one of the greatest ways to show us that what we believe to be "truth" is nothing more than repackaged 3 day old sandwiches.

hail, A.N.U.S.!

Mosheh Thezion
08-03-06, 12:17 PM
i have no interested in your... or anyones ANUS.

I MEAN GESH... do they want to be picked on??? A.N.U.S.... indeed.

-MT

The Devil Inside
08-03-06, 02:01 PM
it is absurd on purpose, im sure.

get past the homo-eroticism. anuses are funny. even the word is funny.
poop comes out of them.

Absane
08-03-06, 02:15 PM
Well I don't know about ANUS... but nihilism itself sounds interesting. Atleast, the little I read about it on Wiki. I will look up more info.

The Devil Inside
08-03-06, 03:21 PM
in all honesty, nihilism is for 17 year old angst factories......

Absane
08-03-06, 04:11 PM
I don't know.. Nietzsche is a badass.

makeshift
08-03-06, 04:18 PM
TDI,
Elaborate why it's "for 17 year old angst factories." (seventeen more periods)

All it means is that nothing is inherently valuable, which seems like common sense to me. Nihilism has nothing to do with angst and everything to do with freedom. I personally find a lot of freedom and joy in Nihilism. Because it allows the notion that life isn't valuable or precious, it allows you to indulge in things that you really want to do and explore realms you'd normally be afraid of. It really rationalizes not holding anything back and to live ALL the way, whatever way you want.

Tyler
08-03-06, 05:56 PM
Nihilism lends itself to seventeen year old angst. It's easy to interpret "nothing is objectively more valuable than anything else" as leading to "nothing is of value". Teenagers often go through periods of feeling like nothing is adequate or important or truly enjoyable.

Essentially, it lends itself to the stereotypical 'goth' kind of attitude "the world is dark, without value and death is the only absolute".

It's also a very individualistic sort of philosophy. More so than many other subjectivist philosophy it stresses the point that "we are all alone in the universe, blah, blah, blah". Again, this is something that unsatisfied, angsty and (often) unpopular teenagers are drawn to. It's reassuring for the social outcasts to know someone (specifically, someone older and respected) thinks their sentiments are justified.

It's a philosophy that allows one to say "Fuck you for not thinking I'm normal, there is no normal".

The funniest part about the goth-flavoured or angst-flavoured nihilism is that it entirely contradicts itself within one sentence. "There is no manner to objectively pass judgement on anything, therefore life is depressing". Ah...

The good news is, usually by part way through their twenties most people have realized how useless these concerns are anyway.

Prince_James
08-03-06, 07:37 PM
On purely aesthetic grounds, I object to Nihilism's inherent cowardice and emmasculinity. Only a slave cannot rescue himself from the abyss.

Mosheh Thezion
08-03-06, 09:59 PM
goth-flavoured or angst-flavoured nihilism ANUS....

still sounds bad to me.

-MT

nicholas1M7
08-03-06, 11:13 PM
goth-flavoured or angst-flavoured nihilism ANUS....

still sounds bad to me.

-MT


hahaha. Its funny cuz you called him anus.

Mosheh Thezion
08-03-06, 11:57 PM
NO...ANUS, is the name of his club.

probubly a dark smelly cave.

-MT

The Devil Inside
08-05-06, 10:01 AM
TDI,
Elaborate why it's "for 17 year old angst factories." (seventeen more periods)

All it means is that nothing is inherently valuable, which seems like common sense to me. Nihilism has nothing to do with angst and everything to do with freedom. I personally find a lot of freedom and joy in Nihilism. Because it allows the notion that life isn't valuable or precious, it allows you to indulge in things that you really want to do and explore realms you'd normally be afraid of. It really rationalizes not holding anything back and to live ALL the way, whatever way you want.
tyler summed it up nicely.

Kaiduorkhon
08-22-06, 01:38 AM
Here's looking back up yours, poopsie. (Seig!)

TimeTraveler
08-22-06, 04:39 AM
Nihilism is too emotional and destructive. Explain to me how it is rational to destroy yourself? This type of philosophy is what can lead to terrorism.

The philosophy relies on human emotions, therefore it is not guided by logic of any sort. It's an emotion in a philosophical package, which is fine, but it's never going to be adopted by the masses or become the philosophy of the future because not everyone has this set of emotions, in fact most people dont.

The more rational you are, the more nihilism looks like suicide. Why exactly would anyone choose the death of man as a philosophy?

Originally Posted by makeshift
TDI,
Nihilism is a philosophical position which argues that the world, and especially human existence, is without objective meaning, purpose, comprehensible truth, or essential value.

This seems to be a philosophy for suicidal people. Please explain to me how this philosophy will ever make sense to anyone who is not suicidal and who's life already has meaning, purpose, and value? What if they love their life and have found their ultimate truth?


Originally Posted by makeshift
TDI,
All it means is that nothing is inherently valuable, which seems like common sense to me. Nihilism has nothing to do with angst and everything to do with freedom. I personally find a lot of freedom and joy in Nihilism. Because it allows the notion that life isn't valuable or precious, it allows you to indulge in things that you really want to do and explore realms you'd normally be afraid of. it really rationalizes not holding anything back and to live ALL the way, whatever way you want.

Also the fact that Nihilism removes morality from the picture means what? We live like animals until we die with no regard for life, not even our own?


17 year olds, angst, Nihilism, Columbine. Need I say more? If you don't value life, not even your own, then nothing stops you from doing crazy shit.

Tell me, why exactly do you want to promote a philosophy of self hate? If you hate yourself that is your problem, but there is no philosophy on earth that can teach a person to feel self hate, it's either in them to hate themselves or it isnt, and if they hate themselves how exactly is Nihilism a good thing? If someone is having suicidal or homicidal thoughts, and you introduce them to Nihilism, it only justifies their emotions. This is why I say Nihilism is an emotional philosophy with no logical or rational basis. Does it improve the quality of life for the species? I doubt it. Does it decrease misery? I doubt it. Does raise self esteem or have any positive effects? I doubt it. But if you want to hate yourself, feel miserable, and have fun while doing it, then Nihilism may be for you, because it gives you the perfect freedom to hate life.

Because it allows the notion that life isn't valuable or precious, it allows you to indulge in things that you really want to do and explore realms you'd normally be afraid of. It really rationalizes not holding anything back and to live ALL the way, whatever way you want.

Or you can stop having so many emotional problems and fear issues that you can't live your life. Do you really need to hate life to live it?

swivel
08-22-06, 09:44 AM
The problem with most Nihilists is that they can't stick to the program. They get so giddy over their Nihilism, that they start attaching some sort of worth to their chosen philosophy, which pretty much ends it right there.

Nihilism pretty much proves that Nihilism is wrong.

The Devil Inside
08-22-06, 01:49 PM
Nihilism pretty much proves that Nihilism is wrong.
or that it is a waste of time...which proves it right.


*shrug*
who cares?

OH SHIT, I DID IT!!

swivel
08-22-06, 02:54 PM
or that it is a waste of time...which proves it right.


*shrug*
who cares?

OH SHIT, I DID IT!!


I hope everyone gets this... because it is very funny.

Prince_James
08-22-06, 06:49 PM
No, that's apathy, The Devil Inside.

SPrinkZ
08-23-06, 11:30 PM
I don't know.. Nietzsche is a badass.

I don't really know what to say about this, besides I wrote about 3 pages about how he's NOT a "badass" as you put it so boldly.

If anything, the only thing "badass" would have to be someone who does more than speaking, and acts upon their feelings. I can babble on all day about the hypocrisy, without sacrificing anything, not even presenting the rammifications through protest. I could do that, all day long.

It doesn't make me a big person, just a disgruntled German 'philosopher'.

invert_nexus
08-23-06, 11:51 PM
Nietzsche was like any other philosopher out there (well. Not any other.. some are complete shit, I suppose.)

He had gems and he had shit.

A bit of both.

And a bit of in-between.

It doesn't make me a big person, just a disgruntled German 'philosopher'.

It's funny just how misunderstood the man was. I mean, everybody and their dog has read Nietzsche. He's a simple read. Simple language (unless you read some of the god-awful translations from days prior to Campbell...) But so misunderstood.

Sure, Nietzsche had his share of negativity and what could be termed 'disgruntled'. But his main message was about joy. It was about saying yes. It was about affirmation.

All his plays on words. All his jokes. All his sly witticisms and people miss the point completely.

The man makes a joke and people take the joke completely seriously.

The man hugged a horse for Christ's sake!!