I saw this:

http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=10085&page=1&pp=20

and i thought ok, i would start to discuss Nietzsche with you as a teacher, but only if i find enough interest!
The first lesson would be to identify two most importand things which are dependent on the main thing - TS Zarathustra. The first importand thing is "thepriestly ascetic ideal" (you can look at Ecce homo, Genealogy of morals) for which TSZ is the "counter-ideal". The second importand thing is the psychology of the priest. I am the first one who can not only find them but to understand them too.

Pardon my bad english!

A favour you could do to me is to find other messageboards on the web where Nietzsche is prized.

Nietzsche texts on the web:
http://www.geocities.com/thenietzschechannel

Theory Of A Deadman - Gasoline - Santa Monica.mp3

Many thorns too adorned him
Yet I saw no rose

-Nietzsche.

Nietzsche's last man:

1. The pre-moral era is the belief that deeds commited by the descendants have effect on the parents: "in the same way as today is believed in China". This is the reverse of the moral, aristocratic era which continued before about 10.000 years with it's belief that deeds commited by the ancestors have effect on the descendants. From that moment the slavery continued too... but slavery of who? We could mark the Chinese-like people as the people who were enslaved as first in the ancient times.
2. When the slave-morality, that means christian morality, has won over the aristocratic morality, the whole world was enslaved by the "god", and everyone had to work six days in week.
3. The ancient Persians have been described as fair-haired people.
4. Nietzsche describes the last man as "one sort of Chinese".
5. "Nirvana" is the center of Buddhism and is defined as "sleeping without dreams" - this is the sign of the deepest exhaustion because even the dreams can't be withstanded - they remind on reality!
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Why don't we look now how a Chinese looks like?
One word: sleepy? ("We have discovered happiness,"—say the last men, and blink thereby.—) And blink thereby!
Doesn't the light hurts our eyes when we are tired? Exhausted? Tousand of years of slavery...?
And now it comes to us! - To the slaves of god!
The Chinese become now everything as gifts from the exhausted white people: the military accessories and weapons from the Russians, the economics from the Anglo-saxons(Hong Kong...), even the mafia becomes everywhere Chinese.

What do the christian white people expect for their slavery?
1. "Paradise!"
2. "We are sent to the earth by aliens to develop us technologicaly!"

Both of those are false!
All christians are slaves that have been "blessed" in the New testament and this testament is the only relevant for them!
The poor are blessed, the stupid, the low and crazy, the sick and wicked...
But what is "bliss"? The bliss is defined on the cross:
The robber: "blessed is the one who dies like this"
Jesus: "if you feel this then you are in the heavenly kingdom"
That means the feeling of bliss is equivalent to the feeling of dying! And dying is the sense of christianity! That means christianity is compleetely nihilistic, like Buddhism with his nirwana which is also translated as nothingness!
Now we can understand why the christian morality or socialism was and is so attractive for the Chinese? The nothingness is mutual to them!
And we can see how the Chinese today spread their economy over the world! Slowly but surely!
The last man is approaching!
Few steps more and the creativity will be dead.

"What is love? What is creation? What is longing? What is a star?"—so asketh the last man and blinketh.

Only an aristocratic, Zarathustrian turnover can save the life of dying!

Actually the Chinese have begun to adopt western capitalism on a purely practical level and reject all religion on the political front. God was surpassed by the State...Don't believe me? Just ask the Taiwanese who carried on the 'thousand years of feeling' which is basically the traditional Chinese way but backed and influenced by American values. The new China you see is not traditional Chinese culture but a China reformed or deformed depending on ones point of view by Mao who was motivated by western communism (what some call Neo-confucianism) but who did so in a rejection of Western domination, morality and influence in the country. It is the West who has helped form modern day China but in the negative; they play the Western game while re-developing the ideology in a Chinese way to their own advantage. I would disagree that the Chinese are fundamentally nihilistic. I would agree that they understand basic economics while remaining ever so Chinese (to this day they would kill or isolate the 'stupid, wicked and crazy'). They do not admire the poor or low but utilize them like ants in a colony, those who can rise do and their wealth and power is quite formidable.

I don't need no oppinion of people who haven't read or can't withstand Nietzsche!

bye bye

Work is for insects
War is for animals
War with weapons is for humans

I do understand Nietzsche. I just don't think you understand very much about the Chinese

To discuss Nietzsche within the view of western culture is one thing. To try and relate it (create a connection) to a very different culture which has its own philosohical tradition, older than the west by the way but exists and has been developed within a very different historical, political, religious, mythological, philosophical context one would need a deeper understanding of the other culture. East meets West? Leads to a load of confusion and misunderstanding and misinterpretation. Western culture tends to see (interpret) everything within its own cultural perspective and then projects their 'sight' and 'world view' or 'philosophical view' on others with little knowledge of the historical and cultural disparities. To speak of Nietzche is to speak of the West and the West alone. The East is a whole new ball game with different rules, historical- philosophical tradition and interpretations.

Why don't you understand that Nietzsche's Last man is "a sort of Chinese" - Nietzsche?
The Buddhist is exactly the one who wants "the middle way" because "mutch joy (produces suffering) or mutch suffering are not good"...

You can only argue with Nietzsche when you speak to me like this!
And this is called ressentiment!

I told you all to see what the "priestly ascetic ideal" is! And it is world wide!
You can't see the Caucasian connection between east and west:

http://www.geocities.com/osvit000/

The page above has all explanation needed:

http://jollyrogerwest.com/showthread.php?t=1606

And here just short and uncompleete:
http://jollyrogerwest.com/showthread.php?t=344

The Self saith unto the ego: "Feel pain!" And thereupon it suffereth, and thinketh how it may put an end thereto—<u>and for that very purpose it is meant to think.</u> [The Despisers of the Body]
What is the heaviest thing, ye heroes? asketh the load-bearing spirit, that I may take it upon me and rejoice in my strength.
Is it not this: To humiliate oneself in order to mortify one's pride? To exhibit one's folly in order to mock at one's wisdom?
Or is it this: To desert our cause when it celebrateth its triumph? To ascend high mountains to tempt the tempter?
Or is it this: To feed on the acorns and grass of knowledge, and for the sake of truth to suffer hunger of soul?
Or is it this: To be sick and dismiss comforters, and make friends of the deaf, who never hear thy requests? Or is it this: To go into foul water when it is the water of truth, and not disclaim cold frogs and hot toads?
Or is it this: To love those who despise us, and give one's hand to the phantom when it is going to frighten us?
All these heaviest things the load-bearing spirit taketh upon itself: and like the camel, which, when laden, hasteneth into the wilderness, so hasteneth the spirit into its wilderness. [The Three Metamorphoses]
There where you will to feel pain, there and only there you can understand!
Understanding is an sort of ending!
Why don't understand the christianity? Ah, it doesn't hurt? You poor Chinese!
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The Self saith unto the ego: "Feel pleasure!" Thereupon it rejoiceth, and thinketh how it may ofttimes rejoice—<u>and for that very purpose it is meant to think.</u> [The Despisers of the Body]
What is happiness?— The feeling that power is growing, that resistance is overcome. [The revaluation of all values aka Antichtist aka "Ecce homo" (--Pilate, the Roman governor about Jesus)]
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Only this are the true warriors of knowledge, warriors of their own thoughts!
Your enemy shall ye seek; your war shall ye wage, and for the sake of your thoughts! [War and Warriors]
The rest are animals with red cheeks, in the best case...
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Who wants to learn? Who <u>wants</u> to feel the PAIN?