Nico...according to one is immature you be the judge!

Aloha...I was talking to a poster here on sci last night on my MSN. I was pretty much ad hom-ed the whole way threw, this poster made some pretty interesting observations about moi. You be the judge is he right?

Yo be the judge...is he right, I am immature? You read that and tell me.

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A long time ago, when I just started sniffing around these forums, I told you that you're a little boy. And you are a cute little boy! *pinches your cheek.
You are mature for your age. If you want to be mature like a 30-year-old, you're asking too much from yourself. And being a typical dude of your age.

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Well, "CS" spouting postmodern references to Chuck Palahniuk and making broad social refences doesn't speak much for his maturity...you I don't know, but I would say CS isn't much of an "adult".

Uh, I didn't vote, BTW, because I don't think we got enough of a context to know if you're "mature" or not.

 

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Walker

Understood, but you see the reason I brought this up was to show you the context in which he was talking to me. Also the faulty logic of over generalization... but again you judge.

whitewolf

I don't want to mature like 30, no,no, the context is whether I am mature for my age... and you said yes, and I accept that. What he is saying is that I am immature.

 

CS????

surely not cool skill??????:bugeye:

 

No, not cool Skill. No CS is a pseudonym, this person albeit regularly visits WE&P.

 

Reading your posts I assumed you were roughly around my age - seventeen. Nothing you wrote gave off any real sign of being that much older. If you take this as an insult, then already I can say you're just as immature as the rest of us.

If somebody older than (or, for that matter, the same age as) myself tells me I'm not beyond my years in maturity I don't get all defensive and feel I have to prove myself to them. To be honest, that's the first clear sign of immaturity in you. I'm not claiming myself to be anything greater than my years, but I can surely tell you nico that it is the mark of a child to be so defensive about such a useless issue as how mature another person thinks you are.

At one point you're basically saying "other people say I'm mature - so there!" It's like seven year olds fighting in a sandlot.

Not only that but you felt the need to make a thread about it? Can I ask; does it make you feel better about yourself when people say you act mature?

 

Tyler

Interesting analysis, but the whole point of the thread in reality. Is to show that generalization means nothing, the same one's which you and CS are using. So I would venture to say that generalizing something not only shows intellectual inferiority, but shows me a sign of unusual contempt for the person to whom one is talking to. I never said that I was older, people have asserted as such... but I never said it. You obviously fell in the trap of assuming as such... what I suggest you do is re-read the intro.

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Were I given only these lines to read I would have assumed you were around thirteen. Exactly like I said - "I'm mature!!! Other people say so!!"

To me it looks sad. You're trying to prove to this person you're mature and that they are generalizing yet all you do is fit the generalization.

Where did I generalize? You acted immature. Having to prove to someone who you are is a mark of immaturity. If you were actually happy with just being you and mature enough to realize that what they think doesn't matter one shit you wouldn't have bothered saying something like "other people think I'm mature!"

According to your info you are seventeen. So far (not simply in this thread - in all of sciforums) I have seen nothing which makes me think that much higher or that much lower. I have no assumed anything but that you are how old you say you are.

 

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Were I given only these lines to read I would have assumed you were around thirteen. Exactly like I said - "I'm mature!!! Other people say so!!"


And to claim I am immature just because you say so? Do you have more relevance then to someone who knows me personally? I think it's sad that you don't see that you are doing the exact same thing.

To me it looks sad. You're trying to prove to this person you're mature and that they are generalizing yet all you do is fit the generalization.


What did I do to generalize?

Where did I generalize? You acted immature.

You have yet to assert where the immaturity is. Also

At one point you're basically saying "other people say I'm mature - so there!" It's like seven year olds fighting in a sandlot.


Essentially you are being my 7 year old mate for even bothering...

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Having to prove to someone who you are is a mark of immaturity.

When the person is telling me non-sense based on nothing...that is not a mark of immaturity, and stupidity?

"other people think I'm mature!"


Yet you assert you're ridiculous assumption on me as fact.

So far (not simply in this thread - in all of sciforums) I have seen nothing which makes me think that much higher or that much lower. I have no assumed anything but that you are how old you say you are.

Again I never said that I was older, also this is where the inferior complex resides. You associate age with maturity; if true then all 30 year olds are mature as 30 years... is this true. No, thus what is mature? Note I did not say that I am mature in age terms…

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You'll have to quote me saying I consider you immature in general, nico. And I guarantee you you'll have some difficulty in doing so as I never said that. I said you acted immature in that conversation. I also fully admitted that it was my subjective view from the little I know - "To me it looks..."

I have said that feeling a need to prove to other people you're something is immature. You fit my definition of immature in the conversation you quoted - you fit the generalization of a young person.

To a degree, yes. And like I said - I don't claim myself any older than my years. If I'm any more or less mature than the standard seventeen year old it doesn't matter what people think of me, does it?

Did I say it wasn't? Why assume I don't agree with you on the other person's actions? Poor choice.

Which assumption? You haven't actually said what it is. I've said that in my opinion a mark of immaturity is the need to make other people respect you, the need to have other people think a certain thing of you, the inability to accept that some people will look down on you... You exhibited that. You now either have to tell me that placing so much importance in what other people think of you is not a sign of immaturity, or I fail to see what your beef with me is.

Where? All I've said is that you show no more sign of maturity than the average seventeen year old. There exists a group of people who are seventeen years old. You are one of them. As am I. Each person has a level of maturity. Therefore, there is an average maturity of a seventeen year old. I have seen no evidence of you exceeding this. I have not said that maturity is dependant on age. You are making that up.

 

I agree with CS Nico. No offense (well you asked for it anyway) but you act like the typical teen child who is realistic beyond his age. I'll give you that you're smarter than your usual teenage but when it comes to acting your age you fit the bill perfectly. It is one thing to act mature and to think you're mature at your age and despise the stupidity around you exuded by the general consensues of your age but it is another to be that way.

Knowing of politics, architecture and classical music at your age is a rarity but when it comes to debating you show no more wisdom than a "consumerism" driven teen. You have, many times, failed to understand that people have different opinions and different methods of going about things. Even in my scuffle with you, you resorted to every ad hom you could think of but the difference is you presented those insults in a flowery language.

You know what goes in life Nico but you don't know about life yet. You like all your age will eventually learn the more subtle points of life, points that probably seem obvious to you now but you'll be surpirsed.

Make of this what you will but you're a bright person.....just a little naive, but that is to be expected.

 

Interesting

I have said that feeling a need to prove to other people you're something is immature. You fit my definition of immature in the conversation you quoted - you fit the generalization of a young person.


See and this where the argument falls apart, you see you again are showing the inferiority skills of generalization. But why? I am not you and visa versa yet you are essentially putting me in with you with your generalized statement. As I have asserted in the intro,

You fall into the trap here, you are again associating age with maturity. What would you define as young person, what would you define as maturity... can I go on? Essentially you are deviating from the subject here, the subject is really not my reasoing, it's CS'.

To a degree, yes. And like I said - I don't claim myself any older than my years. If I'm any more or less mature than the standard seventeen year old it doesn't matter what people think of me, does it?


You but now you have said your maturity level is that of a 7 year old child. Which to me means nothing, but to you it does. What is a standard 17 year old, is there a standard 25 year old, etc? Again your making up ur "standards"

Did I say it wasn't? Why assume I don't agree with you on the other person's actions? Poor choice.


Well then that wasn't a very objective post was it, criticizing only one and not the other.

Which assumption? You haven't actually said what it is.

- Immaturity
-Generalization based on a number (amazing)

I've said that in my opinion a mark of immaturity is the need to make other people respect you

Where did I say "respect me"? He called me immature, what do U expect to sit closed lipped and let ignorance reign?

You now either have to tell me that placing so much importance in what other people think of you is not a sign of immaturity, or I fail to see what your beef with me is.


Then using that logic democracy is a joke, and immature.

Where? All I've said is that you show no more sign of maturity than the average seventeen year old.

Which again exists in your mind, not real, percieved. Essentially meaning nothing.

Therefore, there is an average maturity of a seventeen year old.
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I have not said that maturity is dependant on age. You are making that up.

LOL!

 

sargentlard

I've debated with you?

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Re: sargentlard

No, just insulted me and in turn insulted you and this went on and eventually I got tired because I had nothing against you so there was no purpose in insulting you further.

This took place in the thread where you posted a conversation and asked us our opinion on it but the conversation was obscenely long and I asked you to put it in a paragraph form, infact more than one person asked you to do that but you refused and well it escalated to about 17 pages of insults back and forth.

It wasn't that long ago really.

 

sargentlard

Was that in Free thoughts? If so then of course I ad hom-ed...

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Re: sargentlard

Yes it was...i am surprised you don't remember.....ehh i am too lazy to dig it up...dude even Wes fought with you for a while.

 

Yes I know which one you are talking about now, that was admittedly pure ad hom... I don't deny this. But I don't take Free Thoughts seriously enough to care...:m: Sorry, but Free Thoughts is a not a good place to test out my maturity... is it for anyone?

 

You seemed to ignore this completely nico:

There exists a group of people who are seventeen years old. You are one of them. As am I. Each person has a level of maturity. Therefore, there is an average maturity of a seventeen year old.

If there is a flaw in the logic, point it out to me. As far as I can see it makes perfect sense. If you take a group of people each with a certain level of something there will be an average. That is pure logic

 

If there is a flaw in the logic, point it out to me. As far as I can see it makes perfect sense. If you take a group of people each with a certain level of something there will be an average.

There is where you make the generalization, all 17 years old are not like all 17 year olds. Of course all 17 year olds in the world, there is no average, apart from age. Unless you care to show me what is common to all 17 year olds? See ur making up a commonality, it's just like nationalism...