This is the study, I'm sure women will disagree, and I don't really agree with it myself, but here it is.

http://www.livescience.com/humanbiology/060908_brainy_men.html

From your link:

One plausible explanation is that more females than males decide to go to college and thus take the SAT test. The study did in fact include about 10,000 more females than males.

"This suggests that more males are deciding to do something else," Bracken said. "It may be that the males who would not have scored as high on the SAT chose not to take it, and they chose another route."

A more reliable study, he said, would be to match each male with a very similar female and then compare the results.
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I guess the REALLY smart men don't even need to go to college.

Considering the history of ideas and the character of the intelligence of men (logically focused), it is not at all surprising that men surpass women in intelligence. This would also be needed in societies which demanded from men a role of hunting, specifically in the complicated, large-scale game killings.

this is one poorly done scientific study. no conclusions should be drawn from this. it should merely be a jumping off point for more rigorous scientific work.

I only believe reports and scientific studies that I want to believe ....all the others I just call "bullshit" and "crap", and ignore them! ...LOL!

Baron Max

I don't trust studies and statistics, I go by personal observation. I suggest that a diminished level of oetrogen can make women smarter; if that means that men, having less oestrogen than women, are smarter than so be it.

Jack Daniels

this is one poorly done scientific study. no conclusions should be drawn from this. it should merely be a jumping off point for more rigorous scientific work.
It seems like almost every study that people put on sciforums is poorly done.

We need a study to prove that?


Do the dishes bitch!!!

This has been demonstrated before, but its tricky because the difference in IQ only shows up after age 16...possibly because girls mature faster than boys???
http://www.rlynn.co.uk/

I've read about this. It shouldn't be too surprising. In fact, even though it's generally accepted that men score about the same as women in IQ tests, I was always suspicious. This is because men seem to score significantly better than women in many other cognition tests, like the SATs, ACTs, ASVABs, etc. Men also have bigger brains, even after adjusting for body size, which is something known to have significant correlations with IQ.

It seems it would be tempting for people to slightly fudge the data to make things seem equal.

I've read that men cluster at the extremes of the curve. i.e. more men with very low IQs as compared to women.

Take East Asians. They're generally smaller than Caucasoids in terms of body size. But in fact, their brains are bigger. And so are their IQs.

I've read that men cluster at the extremes of the curve. i.e. more men with very low IQs as compared to women.
That is true. Low IQ and high testosterone are two ingredients that cause a lot of people to be in prisons. No wonder then, that prisons are occupied by so many males!

Take a random sample of people with very low IQs and they will be largely male. Take a random sampe of geniuses and they will be largely male. That's what it is to be male: it's all or nothing.

That is true. Low IQ and high testosterone are two ingredients that cause a lot of people to be in prisons. No wonder then, that prisons are occupied by so many males!

Take a random sample of people with very low IQs and they will be largely male. Take a random sampe of geniuses and they will be largely male. That's what it is to be male: it's all or nothing.

What is the ratio to females at both ends of the scale?

Can't find anything about the ratio.

I've read that men cluster at the extremes of the curve. i.e. more men with very low IQs as compared to women.
Just keep pretty, It is well known that the female brain will flood and explode when thinking beyond cooking man food ;)

Just keep pretty, It is well known that the female brain will flood and explode when thinking beyond cooking man food ;)

Would you like to be grilled or fried?

lol Can I be oven baked?

lol Can I be oven baked?

Here you are, all dressed up and ready to go. :D

http://www.cookingforengineers.com/pics2/640/DSC_0201_crop.jpg

An interesting theory explaining the possible evolutionary basis for greater variability in male IQ as compared to female:

As most of the genes on the X chromosome do not have a corresponding locus on the Y chromosome, males are effectively haploid for the sex chromosome pair; recessive alleles of these genes, including nature’s more advanced experiments and (far more numerous) lethal and debilitating mutations, are much more likely to be expressed in males, giving rise to the observed greater variability in males on various measurable traits, including IQ. This is adaptive for the species, as males are expendable; the size of the next generation depends on the number of females that survive long enough to reproduce.

In every society, human and animal, males do the fighting. This is not only because of their greater physical strength, but it is due also to the most basic requirement of a species: survival of the next generation. In a population of ten males and ten females, if nine females died in battle, only two or three children could possibly be born to the group the next year. . . . So males are more expendable. —Robert E. Ornstein, Psychology: The Study of Human Experience. San Diego: Harcourt Brace Jovanovich, 1985.

The vast majority of animal species are polygynous. In a polygynous species, it is greatly to the male’s advantage to be more variable in general, because only a few of the males—the most fit, the best competitors—get all (or substantially all) of the females, while the rest of the males are left out in the cold. Gambling on a long-shot mutation is a strategy with a high expected return under these circumstances, as a male of only average fitness will not mate and pass on his genes anyway. A successful mutant could become an alpha male and mate with many females. We recognize that there is another, “sneaky” mating strategy used by the males of some species. Although unable to compete as alpha males, lower-status males may still find opportunities to mate when the alphas aren’t looking. This may reduce the advantage of variability, but cannot eliminate it, in polygynous species.

Good article, Sam. It points out that males in a sexually reproducing species are under much greater selective pressure than females. It stands to reason, then, that we'd be more evolved. Better, stronger, faster.......but, women have breasts. Which are pretty great.

How can you argue with that? In the words of Ron Burgandy "Men have bigger brains. . . It's science"

From this study, "But when it comes to Nobel Prize winners, he said that men could outnumber women 10-to-1. "Where it will really show up is at the very high end of the distribution," Rushton said”

IQ has nothing to do with it. To be sure! Most women have to divide their time between work (including scientific work) and families. Of course there are some devotees who can abandon everything and everybody for the sake of a career (including a scientific career), but the majority don’t want to sacrifice their private life. It’s obvious that men spend less time on home duties, so it isn’t necessary to be a hero and to refuse all pleasure in order to concentrate on Nobel Prize. So there are more talented men than talented women who spend near all their time pursuing the highest scientific achievements. I suppose, that only this fact shows up at the very high end of the distribution. :)

I hate people who say IQ has nothing to do with it. They say it like they're some sort of authority. But you're not. You're not even educated. Men also have to divide time between work and famililes although women have to put more into it than men. That's for sure. Obviously, but you make it out to be the only factor--like it's the only reason why you can't think of a single thing that has been invented by a female.

I hate people who say IQ has nothing to do with it. They say it like they're some sort of authority. But you're not. You're not even educated. Men also have to divide time between work and famililes although women have to put more into it than men. That's for sure. Obviously, but you make it out to be the only factor--like it's the only reason why you can't think of a single thing that has been invented by a female.

Kevlar vest

http://inventors.about.com/library/blwomeninventors.htm
http://www.inventions.org/culture/african/africanwomen.html
http://www.factmonster.com/ipka/A0906931.html
http://www.women-inventors.com/

Pffft. I wasn't talking to you samcdkey. Obviously there are things women have invented. The point is, men innovate a lot more and one has to really rack his or her brain to think of things women have invented because they've invented so few things.

Pffft. I wasn't talking to you samcdkey. Obviously there are things women have invented. The point is, men innovate a lot more and one has to really rack his or her brain to think of things women have invented because they've invented so few things.

Could it be because men restricted the access of women to education?

And hence may also have taken credit for their inventions? ;)

Could it be because men restricted the access of women to education?
Of course that's a factor. But it's not really a factor anymore.


And hence may also have taken credit for their inventions? ;)
Do you sincerely believe the reason it seems men have invented everything is because men steal ideas from their wives and take credit for them?

Of course that's a factor. But it's not really a factor anymore.


Do you sincerely believe the reason it seems men have invented everything is because men steal ideas from their wives and take credit for them?

Totally! ;)

I'm willing to credit women with textiles. I bet in our early development, women made some of the greatest contributions in discoveries, as they sat around and minded the children all day.

...and gathered food, and carried their children on their backs, and brought water, and discovered medicine, and pottery, and basketmaking, and tanned hides, and sewed clothing...

Maybe we should look at teenagers when the society-factor is not present yet. Are female students less inventive than male students? If so, than the society oppresses women argument doesn't stand. (even if it is true, it is not the main reason why women are less inventive than men)

So anybody has any study,experience of the inventiveness of students compared by gender?

Men are driven to invent cool gadgets to impress "the ladies" ;)

Studies of IQ have actually shown that men and women have the same IQ .

However men have an enormous capacity for spatial recognition , females have
however amazing capacity of communication ..... research has shown that women are capable of using both left and right hemisphere of the brain when communicating ,
men are only able to use one hemisphere ....
Then again women can get easily lost in the environment ....
Men do not get lost, due to the speciel spatial recognition of their brains ...

Some believe that it is the result of our time as gather/hunters ...
Women stayed at home looking after children and chatting ...
Men hunting and beeing able to find their way back to the women (and children and old folks) - no matter what way they walked out into the environment - beeing able to make a threedimensional map in their mind ....

Men and women has strenghts and weaknesses - cant really say which of them are superior in todays community ....

Communication is very important in todays society ....

;)

I saw a program that said it's not so much men vs. women, but overall testosterone levels. One female Air Force Pilot competed well with men on a spatial task, and this was predicted by her testosterone levels. This level also correlated with the difference in finger length between two fingers, I forget which ones.

Paraclete:
If they are the same intelligence, why do males outperform females in SATs, ACTs, ASVABs and other cognition batteries?
Because all of those tests are biased against women?
Tell me, what isn't biased against women?

correlated with the difference in finger length between two fingers, I forget which ones.
Index and ring.

Don't the fingerlengths correlate with autism?

...and gathered food, and carried their children on their backs, and brought water, and discovered medicine, and pottery, and basketmaking, and tanned hides, and sewed clothing...

Yes, exactly. It's hard to invent much while you're downing mastodons. I bet fire was discovered by a woman.

Zephyr:
http://www.economist.com/science/displayStory.cfm?Story_ID=540787
Dr Manning and Dr Baron-Cohen found that autistic children had extremely long ring fingers compared with their index fingers.
Fuck. I knew I was too good at concentrating when playing videogames. My ring finger is substantially longer than my index. About a full cm. I wish I had some comparison though.

Overall, therefore, men tend to have longer ring fingers than index fingers, whereas in women the two fingers are more likely to be of equal length.
I've also read that people whose ring and index fingers which are very close in length do better in things like school. I guess that makes sense, since women generally do better at school than men.

my index finger is bigger than my ring finger :m:

my index finger is bigger than my ring finger :m:

So is mine. :o

It's supposedly an indicator of how much testosterone was fed into a fetus during prenatal development. In other words, a comparatively longer ring finger is an indicator of higher testosterone levels; as a result, males usually have longer ring fingers.
Sucks to be you, thedevilsreject. :)

Men and women are intelligent in their own ways - objectively quantifying two disjunct characteristics by lumping them into a single study will have flaws.

Studies of IQ have actually shown that men and women have the same IQ .

However men have an enormous capacity for spatial recognition , females have
however amazing capacity of communication ..... research has shown that women are capable of using both left and right hemisphere of the brain when communicating ,
men are only able to use one hemisphere ....
Then again women can get easily lost in the environment ....
Men do not get lost, due to the speciel spatial recognition of their brains ...

Some believe that it is the result of our time as gather/hunters ...
Women stayed at home looking after children and chatting ...
Men hunting and beeing able to find their way back to the women (and children and old folks) - no matter what way they walked out into the environment - beeing able to make a threedimensional map in their mind ....

Men and women have strengths and weaknesses - cant really say which of them are superior in todays community ....

Communication is very important in todays society ....

;)

I either heard this, or read this somewhere about 10 years ago- it's kinda cool that you posted this because it confirms my memory wasn't a hallucination LOL. I wish I could find a link with more detailed information on this so I could refresh in depth.
Also, if I remember correctly, the corpus callosum was found to be more efficient and faster in women's brains. It was also suggested that men are more prone to being dedictated mathematical/logical or creative/artistic thinkers as opposed to being both.

.....need more info.

I remember reading a lot of stuff about the comparitive usage of the brain's hemisperes between men and women on a thread here not very long ago, someone should quote that thread. Of course, I would never waste my time trying to find it.

women being the physicaly weaker sex have had to play dumb toward men to try and not appear to be a threat.
Women have taken this a step further and attempt to nurture their sons to be less intellegent than their daughters.
however
the social model is very strong and hundreds if not thousands of years of social and home culture is not replaced within just a few decades.
Women will dumb themselfs down to be part of the group allot more so than men because being part of a group is far more important to women than it is to men, however this is changing with the more modern man.

It's supposedly an indicator of how much testosterone was fed into a fetus during prenatal development. In other words, a comparatively longer ring finger is an indicator of higher testosterone levels; as a result, males usually have longer ring fingers.
Sucks to be you, thedevilsreject. :)
at least im not as likely to be autistic


spaz :D

I haven't read all the thread so this point may have been made already

Firstly as with any intelligence test, the test is only as good as the person/s who devised the test.

Were the tests devised my men?
Did the tests cater more towards determing strengths that are manily male orientated than female?

Bearing in mind men and women are likely to have differring areas of excellence in matters of intelligence.

Testing intelligence will always be contentious issue as no one can surely know what is a good effective test and if the test is gerared more towards a male brain than a female.

Set an intelligence test for example that requires multi taksing...how will the men compare to the women?

If you watch tv challenge game shows where they have various challenges involving physical and mental skills, the women fair easily as well as the men often better. I imagine because when physcial tests are introduced a woman can bring to bear her 'multi tasking-problem solving' skills that men perhaps have in a smaller degree. Who knows?

I do know that in schools in days of old, the teaching technique was geared more towards a male style of learning which is why boys did better in exmas at that time. Todays technique is now geared more towards a female style of learning and hence the girls are now doing better at exams than boys.


The old style of seperate boy/girl classes for certain subjects with techniques catered towards that gender is thus the only real way to achieve equal or satisfactory results.

what no contradiction?

Women can always outperform men on any test. All they need to do is lift their shirts and show us their boobs and our IQs instantly drop into the 50s-60s

Women can always outperform men on any test. All they need to do is lift their shirts and show us their boobs and our IQs instantly drop into the 50s-60s

so you agree we are superior

so you agree we are superior
Was that ever in question? Only the very young and/or naive doubt that women are far superior to men.

Women can always outperform men on any test. All they need to do is lift their shirts and show us their boobs and our IQs instantly drop into the 50s-60s

Are you sure?;)

http://www.ussremora.com/ComicHumor/ShowMeYerTits.jpg

Ugh.

Ohh!!!! hohohoh... that made me laugh.