Why no replacements for the cool sci fi like star gate?

We are so starved of good sci fi, why not junk some of the crap game shows
etc, and put the money into wholesome sci fi?

Star gate (must) have been very popular, and made oodles of cash.

Why no replacements for the cool sci fi like star gate?

We are so starved of good sci fi, why not junk some of the crap game shows
etc, and put the money into wholesome sci fi?

Star gate (must) have been very popular, and made oodles of cash.

if it was true than Stargate would have been continuing by now.

Sci-fi is hard to keep fresh and original, they remade Battlestar Galactica(and it's worse in my opinion) the Star Trek series has dried up it seems, along with Stargate, and the new Star Wars movies were nothing in comparison to the originals. I'm sure Doctor Who will be nearing its end soon too.
I'm sure there will be some new series' soon enough, there's still two Stargate movies on the way. I guess the problem is popularity and that other things make more money or are cheaper to produce, reality TV being the main thing, closely followed by soaps and documentaries.

I'm sure Doctor Who will be nearing its end soon too.
More series and spin-offs planned, IIRC.

its time to move from sci-fi...into reality.

people are to much interested in explosions I think... also the TV/movie industry seems to be incredible short on ID's these days something that doesn't count for science fiction alone by the way.

I think it's the problem of them sissies not wanting to take any risk, so they take what was successful in the past, remake it with 3D garbage and suck out everything that can be sucked out.
These days they even canceled the shuttles because someone might die. Well, hello! It's space exploration, new frontiers, of course people will die. But no, too big sissies.
Same with TV industry.

By the way my favourite sci-fi tv series is Babylon 5. I have seen it from beginning to end about seven times.

More series and spin-offs planned, IIRC.

Series 4 yes, but he only has two? regenerations left. I think it will continue on and off for a few years but then it's a bit stuck really, can see another long spell without it due to the final regeneration.:( I don't count the spin-offs as they're seperate and not really the same show, and not really as good as the doctor either.
I'll admit I'm also quite demanding given the crap thats replacing relatively good TV these days.

Because it's expensive, and people are dumb.

By the way my favourite sci-fi tv series is Babylon 5. I have seen it from beginning to end about seven times.


Heck, and i thought if i watched any thing twice i was a bit geeky.

We are so starved of good sci fi, why not junk some of the crap game shows etc, and put the money into wholesome sci fi? Star gate (must) have been very popular, and made oodles of cash.Game shows and reality shows are dirt cheap to produce. They don't need writers or elaborate sets. No prima-donna stars, just contestants who beg and plead to work for free, and maybe or maybe not a band, which is pretty cheap these days. The prize money is peanuts compared to the cost of producing a real show, which can be more than a million dollars an hour. No rehearsals. It's a network CFO's dream.

Stargate was probably not as expensive as Star Trek or Bab 5 because computer video technology had matured. And except for McGyver, they hired all unknown actors who probably worked for reasonable wages. Browder and Black are known to us from Farscape, but they're hardly stars in the real world. Still, Stargate was on basic cable and couldn't possibly have had more than two million viewers, which is nothing. Advertisers do not pay "oodles of cash" for a show with only two million viewers.

Jon Stewart makes a pretty fair income on basic cable, but it's because he's on every night, about 48 weeks out of the year. He works his tail off. That's 240 episodes compared to 20-25 for most "weekly" shows. The cost to produce one nightly episode of the Daily Show is pretty low. A lot of times they don't even re-do flubbed lines, just like soap operas.

Most people are not like us, sci fi is not all that popular. The Star Trek franchise was a veritable phenomenon, and it struggled along on network TV with a typical audience of three to five million, barely enough to keep itself on the air.

Heroes is a great attempt at keeping scifi genre series alive...but Fraggle is right, insipid shows are probably cheaper to produce and cause mass adrenaline rushes that keep people coming back for more. Take "Deal or No Deal"; uninspired and hardly creative name, no intelligence required for the game, unknown host, some babes for eye candy (the horny male demographic lol). I can hardly believe the show made it to the screen...

Well the women I know can't stand that sci fi crap including me.....so there is a large audience cut right there. I can't stand the game shows and "reality" shows either....Reality my ass!!! I still can't beleive ppl watch that Survivor..how many have they had now.

I could go without TV but......Close your eyes now!!!! I love my 2 soaps!

LOL Soaps were the precursor to reality shows!!

LOL Soaps were the precursor to reality shows!!

lol i said......don't read that part!

Reality shows will eventually lead to ......?

YouTube

More series and spin-offs planned, IIRC.

david tennent has signed to do another 2 series of dr who, then of course "torchwood" will be back on, and they are planning all sorts of dr who spin ofs, there is going to be a spin of where mickey fights evil.

Star Trek must return, only this time I will control its storyline, no more freakin BORG or other such BS. The creators of this melodrama sicken me... I will return it to the former glory it once had!

Oh good, Doctor Who is proceeding nicely. Glad to hear it has a bit of planned distance.

darksidZz, the Borg were one of the best Trek adversaries IMO...except a little problem came when the creators began to humanize them. They should have been as unwaveringly ruthless as the Daleks. Even further to that, the replacement ultimate-baddies, Species 8472, were humanized as well! The storylines were good, but if all the villians become tamed...then the series dies a natural death.

Oh good, Doctor Who is proceeding nicely. Glad to hear it has a bit of planned distance.

darksidZz, the Borg were one of the best Trek adversaries IMO...except a little problem came when the creators began to humanize them. They should have been as unwaveringly ruthless as the Daleks. Even further to that, the replacement ultimate-baddies, Species 8472, were humanized as well! The storylines were good, but if all the villians become tamed...then the series dies a natural death.

I concur with your statements... that is really what I meant :(

I can still revive it and make you love the thing again!

I propose to make a scifi series that involves a federation of planets at war with the time lords, daleks, replicators, jaffa, ori, borg dominion, cylons, the empire or wathever star wars has and a couple of others. Do you think it would be succesful? There would not be a script but this would be compensated by a large budget for CG and many lesbian semi aliens

Hell yea!

Listen the next sci fi should have hot men getting naked......its about time they cater to us women.....maybe then we might be interested.

I propose to make a scifi series that involves a federation of planets at war with the time lords, daleks, replicators, jaffa, ori, borg dominion, cylons, the empire or wathever star wars has and a couple of others. Do you think it would be succesful? There would not be a script but this would be compensated by a large budget for CG and many lesbian semi aliens

Cool, gets my vote.

You'd go broke paying licensing on all of the characters :)
But leave in the lesbian aliens...

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You'd go broke paying licensing on all of the characters
But leave in the lesbian aliens...
...okay
I propose to make a scifi series that involves a federation of ... moons at war with the time doctors, plunger boys, replicos, java, oni, zorg, dominons, toasters, the monarch.
... problem solved? No gay people but perhaps a male pregnancy for fun.

...okay
I propose to make a scifi series that involves a federation of ... moons at war with the time doctors, plunger boys, replicos, java, oni, zorg, dominons, toasters, the monarch.
... problem solved? No gay people but perhaps a male pregnancy for fun.

wow don't understand any of that......could it be i am not a geek hmmmm:shrug:

...okay
I propose to make a scifi series that involves a federation of ... moons at war with the time doctors, plunger boys, replicos, java, oni, zorg, dominons, toasters, the monarch.
... problem solved? No gay people but perhaps a male pregnancy for fun.


I thought 7 of 9 gave spock one, what ever i am sure it has been done.

wow don't understand any of that......could it be i am not a geek hmmmm:shrug:

you have no heart, just over active tear ducts, leave us our sci fi and go watch some scrambled egg soap.

basicly it would be a new version of baywatch... but with explosions made in Europe where the laws on nudity are less strict and a cencored version for the american eyes like with T'pol ass in star trek

Part of the problem is that when they do actually come up with a good show, they usually run it into the ground rather than replace it when it gets old and warn out. So instead of interesting new sci-fi we get things like Star Trek: The Next One, that stupid Babylon 5 Ranger show, Battle Star Galactica 2, etc.

Yust wondering bu the dome ships on Battlestar galactica... Are they original I believe their designs are brilliant to bad that they always apear midday even if they're not in some solar orbit
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/60/Cloud_Nine.jpg

The details in those ships aperently one of those vegetation ships is in the fleet but it's vegetation died because of the lack of starlight

I'd like to see Farscape return. It did not run that long and the stories weren't that bad, better than some of the stories from the newer Star Trek and Stargate.
Thankfully Doctor Who made a comeback, but I think Torchwood is crap.
Some 'Dalek conquering the universe' movies would be nice as they are the best baddies about.
A friend told me George Lucas was planning a series based around Star Wars for 2008, probably a timeline between part 3 and 4.

Yust wondering bu the dome ships on Battlestar galactica... Are they original I believe their designs are brilliant to bad that they always apear midday even if they're not in some solar orbit
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/60/Cloud_Nine.jpg


I saw a movies in the old day's where the ship has 9 vegitation domes and the only human left on board sends the last remaining dome into space with a droid to take of the plants;
It's been to long to remember the name though.

Personally i though Firefly was an exellent show. loved the movie too. to bad not enough people shared my opinion or the show wouldn't be cancelled.

I'd like to see Farscape return. It did not run that long and the stories weren't that bad, better than some of the stories from the newer Star Trek and Stargate.
Thankfully Doctor Who made a comeback, but I think Torchwood is crap.
Some 'Dalek conquering the universe' movies would be nice as they are the best baddies about.
A friend told me George Lucas was planning a series based around Star Wars for 2008, probably a timeline between part 3 and 4.

their are 2 movie (about 1 hour each probably pilots) an a serie forseen in 2009
in 2008 their be a 3d series about stormtroopers or something.

They just aired battlestar Galactica in Belgium. I've seen 3 episodes sofar and i like what i saw allthoug a lot of questions came to mind.
a few friends of mine saw the everything there is to see and they say it is far to religeous to be a great series. I not expecting to much,

Its religious?

They just aired battlestar Galactica in Belgium. I've seen 3 episodes sofar and i like what i saw allthoug a lot of questions came to mind.
a few friends of mine saw the everything there is to see and they say it is far to religeous to be a great series. I not expecting to much,

its sci fi of course don't expect too much!!

Any one read the Lense men books? they are old but a great idea for a sci fi
serial.

http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/s/e-e-doc-smith/

LOL Soaps were the precursor to reality shows!!Soaps are a "virtual family" for so many of us who aren't terribly social in real life. Of course any good show with well-developed, sympathetic characters and a halfway believable plot can do that. NCIS, the Riches. Angel was a nail-biter and that was really only halfway believable. But those shows only run once a week for half the year, not good enough. A soap is on every day, just like real life. You can care about the characters and check in on them every day as part of your own daily schedule.Star Trek must return, only this time I will control its storyline, no more freakin BORG or other such BS. The creators of this melodrama sicken me... I will return it to the former glory it once had!Yeah but we don't all feel the way you do. I personally could not stand the original series. For a fan of print sci fi, it was so 1930s with just a twist in the politics. But I was enraptured byTNG and have loved all the subsequent series. I will be delighted if they bring it back, maybe set a generation or two ahead in a recognizable future. Data will of course still be there, having artificially aged himself to make people comfortable with him and allowing Brent Spiner to still play the role. The sci fi is still a little hokey but the storytelling is more akin to literature instead of pulp.I propose to make a scifi series that involves a federation of ... moons at war with the time doctors, plunger boys, replicos, java, oni, zorg, dominons, toasters, the monarch. No gay people but perhaps a male pregnancy for fun.What, did you miss Lexx? :)I'd like to see Farscape return. It did not run that long and the stories weren't that bad, better than some of the stories from the newer Star Trek and Stargate.Yes, I thought Farscape was the best of the lot. The makeup, Muppetry and visual effects were far beyond the other shows and really made me feel like I was there. It had a lot of thought-provoking or simply poignant stories, but so did TNG and Bab5, and to a lesser extent DS9. But the universe they created is very rich and could easily support a whole new series with new characters and stories. For having FTL travel, the milieu in Star Trek is pretty constricted, and the same for Stargate even though they've actually explored a second galaxy. The milieu in Farscape is more what I would expect, with an untold number of civilizations. Galactic domination being somewhat elusive due to the limitations of even whiz-bang technology.

Its religious?

Robot's believing in God ? In space above and beyond they had believed in 1 rule "take a chanse"; but the cylons are believers in God and kill everyone that doesn't????? like the cylons more in the original series though.

its sci fi of course don't expect too much!! sci-fi will be the future once humans discover that we ruinded our planet :D

Robot's believing in God ? In space above and beyond they had believed in 1 rule "take a chanse"; but the cylons are believers in God and kill everyone that doesn't????? like the cylons more in the original series though.
The show made it pretty clear that even though the cylons are artificial creations, they aren't just cold, calculating machines. They have emotions, they do odd things simply because they think it would be fun, they get angry, etc. Some of them believe in a strange religion. Still, I don't see how anyone could possibly call the show "religious".

I actually kind of prefer the new cylons. I always thought the old ones were odd – if they don’t have any emotion, fear of death, etc…then why did they bother rebelling in the first place? And why did they come looking for revenge? That’s not the sort of things that a cold, calculating machine does, it’s the sort of thing that a pissed off machine does.

I rather believe the cylons are yust artificial humans having some serious ego problems being selectivly deaf and the whole voting system... I wonder at the end of the third season if it would turn out that there was a voting on weather to attac the colonies and that it got 7-5 aproval

The show made it pretty clear that even though the cylons are artificial creations, they aren't just cold, calculating machines. They have emotions, they do odd things simply because they think it would be fun, they get angry, etc. Some of them believe in a strange religion. Still, I don't see how anyone could possibly call the show "religious".

I actually kind of prefer the new cylons. I always thought the old ones were odd – if they don’t have any emotion, fear of death, etc…then why did they bother rebelling in the first place? And why did they come looking for revenge? That’s not the sort of things that a cold, calculating machine does, it’s the sort of thing that a pissed off machine does.

euh ... did you see the old series? Cylons wheren't created bij humans.
as for anger. Just program a robot to kill all life it will. that has nothing to do with emotions.
I like the new serie too butt you can't compair the two.

like why the hell is starbuck a girl ?Is it to put a pretty girl in the show? starbuck in the original show had plenty of pretty girls. Is it to have a girl with balls in the show? I though Athena an Casseopea where pretty damn though.
and one of the main hero's, boomer, is now a female cylon.
Offcourse like i said i only saw 3 episodes thusfar so im not in possition of debating things against people who saw 3seasons :D

What i like the most is how vipers move. Like it should be in space. thumbs up.

[QUOTE=Lord Vasago;1433856]I saw a movies in the old day's where the ship has 9 vegitation domes and the only human left on board sends the last remaining dome into space with a droid to take of the plants;
It's been to long to remember the name though.

I think the movie you are thinking of is 'silent running'. I remember that film, but have only seen it once many years ago. (and I don't know how to quote a post right)

I think the movie you are thinking of is 'silent running'. I remember that film, but have only seen it once many years ago. (and I don't know how to quote a post right)
I think I saw that one on the late late show one day. If I remember right, the droids had wierd names and it was kind of a "hippy" type movie (a 1960's sensibility).

Yep, that's the one. Reminds me of the hippies in Dark Star.
Here's a link to that film. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0067756/
I'm surprised no ones remade it, I thought it was a good movie. Then again the yanks have been busy remaking classic British films and turning them into a pile of crap.

Yep, that's the one. Reminds me of the hippies in Dark Star.
Here's a link to that film. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0067756/
I'm surprised no ones remade it, I thought it was a good movie. Then again the yanks have been busy remaking classic British films and turning them into a pile of crap.
I checked out your profile. You have an interesting pattern. You pop in, make a few posts, then come back two or three years latter. Kind of like a SciForum's Rip Van Winkle.

Welcome back.

Why no replacements for the cool sci fi like star gate?

We are so starved of good sci fi, why not junk some of the crap game shows
etc, and put the money into wholesome sci fi?

Star gate (must) have been very popular, and made oodles of cash.
They had to get rid of StarGate to make room for masterpieces like Manskitto.

maybe a re-make of logan's run would be nice.

I checked out your profile. You have an interesting pattern. You pop in, make a few posts, then come back two or three years latter. Kind of like a SciForum's Rip Van Winkle.

Welcome back.

LOL, yes, I have been a bit on the elusive side, I admit my guilt. At one stage I'd forgot I was even signed up here, until a friend mentioned it. I shall try to be good from now on.

And just for the record, B-Movies would be a good idea as re-makes.

Personally, I thought stargate was much better when it was on showtime.

Personally, I thought stargate was much better when it was on showtime.

I concur, you see showtime knew how to fund / make series. The Outer Limits, Lexx, all these are prime examples. When the guidance of showtime is lost there is always quality issues, luckily for Stargate it was postponed, but the best example of trash followups is Stargate Atlantis.