Ufotheatre.com (http://www.ufotheatre.com)

We have new ufo videos online.. including never before seen footages of the phoenix lights during the day and clusters of ufos flying in the clouds and other really nice ufo videos that have never been seen before.

Come check it out and see some cool new ufos.

LOL! The videos I looked at there actually prove that UFOs are not aliens with advanced technology.....

There's no way they made it across the galaxy driving like crap! :p

Seriously, the "ufo" in one clip shakes and wobbles (as if on a string) and, like many other faked videos, has a building or structure to help hide assisting mechanisms....

With all the video cameras and digital cameras in existance these days, you'd think we could at least get a clear shot of one of these things if they are abundant as the fakers would like us to believe.

Which video are you referring to?

please let me know which video you think is faked so i can check it out closer..

its obviously not one of our ufotheatre.com videos because we have no building in any.

I do extensive research into every video before i post it on my website and i really think if there was any hoaxes i would have spotted it way before it made it to my website.

thanks

We have ran your video and found it to be type 18 (good). Thank You for your time and work.

Originally posted by Ufotheatre
its obviously not one of our ufotheatre.com videos because we have no building in any.

I'm referring to this one:
http://www.ufotheatre.com/jwnb.jpg

The one, I should add, that came from Jeff Willes, who appears to be affiliated with Ultramedia in Phoenix, AZ (a company who's slogan is "when words are not enough."

One has to ask, why don't UFOs fly past news crews as they just "happen to walk outside" with their cameras?

OK well..

I dont think jeff hoaxed the video considering i have the full vhs tape of it and it is very clearly HIGH HIGH up in the sky.

There is 1 point where he is nowhere near a building looking over a brick wall and the object is VERY high in the sky... i would say up close to the clouds area.

I will have to get better mpeg up on the website soon so that you dont think its hoaxed.

ITs very clearly way up in the sky or else he wouldnt be able to zoom into the object at all.

Do you know much about videocameras and zoom?

Im not a professional optics expert but i can see that when someone uses a ZOOM on a camera that the object but be atleast as far away as the zoom on the camera in order to switch to digital zoom which is apparent in jeffs VHS.

That means that the object was atleast 20 optical away from the camera and with the digital zooming i would say about 2 miles atleast OR more.

Not any less because its impossible to zoom into an object that is any closer than the optical rating of the camera in use at the time without the object becoming seriously overfocused and blurred so bad that its impossible to determine what it would be... and jeffs video is just the opposite.. his video is clearly focused and right on the object at several points in the VHS.

(Jeff uses a sony handycam with a x20 optical zoom and 360 digital zoom).

Thanks! i will be happy to answer any additional questions you might have.. and ufos DO fly in front of new crews because i have seen then on the news several times.

I usually do my homework into the ufo video before releasing it and if it has signs of a hoax and or looks fake or hoaxed in any way it will not be released on my website.

Im not perfect but i know when something is real and when it is hoaxed and jeffs video is clearly genuine.

I will put up a new mpeg soon that shows the brick wall and his optical and digital zooming into the high flying ufo object.

:cool:

I will concede that it is, as yet, "unidentified," though I would bet my money on an explanation that doesn't involve the general conjectures of the "UFO community."

Still... my guess is still a hoax. Bower's and Chorley's crop circles give good indication as to what personal entertainment value people can get from a good hoax. April Fools' day is my favorite day of the year sometimes ;)

Then you have the Big Foot video hoax... the Loch Ness Monster hoax (which turned out to be the old guy's laborador retriever, I think)...... etc. etc.

I understand..

I have known jeff willes for years and i have not ever had any evidence that he has been involved with any type of ufo hoax.

He did infact videotape the phoenix lights during the day also back in 1997.

Actually The lochness monster was a toy of a dinosaur.

Lmao, in that video the ufo looks like a flying button.

a flying button?

umm hmm

First off I think it is a waste of my time defending my footage
to people that dont know what ufos look like on video and
how video cams work.

about the ufo your talking about, It was not a hoax.
I have never hoaxed a video.
I have been videotaping ufos in the sky from 1995 tell now.
There are many ufos in the sky all you have to do is look.
I have video taped about a 100 UFOs

and that is only the good ones. This ufo was about 30 feet long
and about 1 mile away. and yes I bet you could fit 2 or 3 aliens inside.

As someone who saw this, I can for sure say that I think
this was and is a alien ufo. and not some black usa gov. thing.
allso, I have seen these same ufos on tape shot by many people.

I have been videotaping ufos for years watching the skys for 1000s of hours allways trying to top my last footage.

and when I do, I get lots of people telling me that they seen the same thing at one time in their life. This is real, many people
know it. You dont need to fake it, just go out and film it.

you guys should do your homework on how video cams work
and what ufos look like on video. This ufo I shot has been around
for a long time.

thanks,
Jeff Willes

Notice the editing.

good eye, you should be able to spot ufos for sure.

Stange.... it seems skepticals always flock to where the ufo people hang out.. i have never seen ufo people flock to a skeptical resource because its useless.

Skeptics cant prove anything... They can only debunk.

Oer 20 billion suns and only 1 of them harbours humans.

I dont know if i believe that.

I think the ufos come from one of the planets near our planet not intergalactic travelers... There are more humans out there.. we are not as rare as we think we are.

We are simply a colony of space travellers who wander to the next habitable spot when bad things happen with the sun and planets.

Problem is that people who know the truth use it to control the rest of the species by feeding them lies about their origins.


ALSO
what does editing have to do with anything?

Originally posted by jeffwilles
There are many ufos in the sky all you have to do is look.

I've been looking up at the sky for over thirty years now.... often with a camera or binoculars within easy reach... I've not seen anything that could be explained. I've seen things that, if I were not a critical thinker, I could have said, "wow.... spaceship!" But careful examination and consideration of other possibilities usually presents a different, more likely hypothesis.

Originally posted by jeffwilles
This ufo was about 30 feet long
and about 1 mile away. and yes I bet you could fit 2 or 3 aliens inside.

And I say it was more likely 1 foot long and 30 feet away. If there were any "aliens" onboard, they spoke Spanish and were very small.

Originally posted by jeffwilles
As someone who saw this, I can for sure say that I think
this was and is a alien ufo.

How can you say that? What other evidence do you have? What indications that were left out of your video suggest that there was an intelligence from outside our solar system? Was there a marking? A communication? Anything other than an unknown (to most of us) object wobbling erratically in the sky just beyond that building?

Originally posted by jeffwilles
I get lots of people telling me that they seen the same thing at one time is their life. This is real, many people
know it. You dont need to fake it, just go out and film it.

People believe in a lot of nonsense... UFOs as alien encounters is but one. The possibility exists that it happens, but there is no evidence to support it. Unvalidated digital video isn't enough. Anecdotal account isn't enough. Hard, physical evidence is needed. Why do the "aliens" always communicate with those in a society that we are least likely to listen to? Why not speak to the United Nations Security Council? Why not broadcast across the airwaves to millions of televisions?

Originally posted by jeffwilles
you guys should do your homework on how video cams work
and what ufos look like on video. This ufo I shot has been around
for a long time.

The time stamp on the video said May 2003. The focal length of your camera could put that object anywhere from just beyond that house to many miles away, depending upon it's size.

So you just admitted you have never seen a ufo.

Well i have.. and it was using nanotechnology that allowed it to carry an entire fleet of ships inside of it.

The fleet of ships were orange in color and glowed bright and they all had energy fields around them.

11 of these ships came out of an object that was the same shape and size as the 11 ships that came out of it.

Im sorry you havent had the experence yet but keep your eyes out.. i have a feeling that the bible you all read speaks of the day when they all return and it is in almost every language.. its just misunderstood as to its originals in sumeria.

The ufos dont really have aliens as we call them inside... most ufos are controlled by remote with small robots that were created to do the work that we have to do when flying planes and other things.

Multiple people have seen these robots coming out and sometimes they take people and do testing on them... that is not that strange they are just checking to see if we have messed up our genetic code because they put us here for a reason and a purpose.. a simple colony to sustain life.

We are now an out of control colony that must be stopped from killing ourselves because the people in control of weapons capable of killing other humans are dumb and dont understand that they are not really in control.

They are just leading blind masses of humans.. when our creators return all goverments will fall and the ones in control will attempt to kill everyone with those weapons because they will no longer be leaders in power.. We as humans will once again be free and there will be no other humans with power over the masses and other peoples lives.

Its really bad that so many people have to die just because our acting human leaders dont understand the language of the universe is a language of peace and that they dont need to be in control to be happy.

The universe started a chaotic flash of energy controlled from the outside and molded into a spendid array of spirals and circles that are proof that chaos is controlled by peace and understanding from the OUTSIDE... Not from the inside.

Our true saviors are those who are from the stars and the ones who know the universal law of understanding and peace.


Trust me... the people in power dont want you to know that our creators are returning.. they established religous icons and made false history and taught it as truth to make you all believe that they are infact in complete control of earth and its destiny.

Sorry poor skeptic... but thats the REAL hoax that you have fallen for.... humans are not gods or leaders they just act.

Just humans in a human colony thats what you are.. and your creator is about to return to stop the insanity.

The age of aquarius reigns the great flood just as it was before... check your astrological calender if you want to know what time i really is.

Dont quote me... quote your bible that tells of the day of the lord as it really is nothing magical about it.. its truth and the lord is not 1 but many and their power is that of total technological supremacy over our entire race for all eternity.

and yes i edited this post... sorry its not authentic anymore.

Originally posted by Ufotheatre
when our creators return all goverments will fall and the ones in control will attempt to kill everyone with those weapons because they will no longer be leaders in power.. We as humans will once again be free and there will be no other humans with power over the masses and other peoples lives.

The little green men...you say they know that when they "come" to take away power, politicians are going to kill everyone. I don't know what their grand master plan is, but the first part is pretty screwy.

sorry, they are not green.

they are just an older race of humans... they have somehow inbedded computers into their minds and become 1 with the machine.. once they made that breakthrough in technology that allowed them access to more technology.. to us primitive thinkers it seems impossible but it was done before we as a race of humans were around to multiply.

Also.. its not politicians who are in control.. this is part of the illusion created by the ones in control to make you think humans make global decisions.

You have been lied to and you believe what the Tv tells you.

ITs all about control of the populations of this entire colony... and yes there is 1 specific group in control of all goverments... these are the ones who know the truth about astrological time and the reality of the *lord* as your bible speaks of.


Dont worry its coming in your lifetime and you will see all the things that have been pulled over your eyes to shun you from the truth and keep you in control.

You think my post is nutty? i think you primitive humans who think blind leading the blind is going to create a world of truth and beauty.

Sorry.. the blind lead the blind off a cliff because the ones acting as leaders are just other primitive humans acting smarter when infact they are most likely to be dumber.

Why dont we have any supposed super smart scientist in control of of america?

Why wasnt einstein considered a leader? if he was infact so smart?

Are leaders supposed to be smart?? or are they just supposed to be able to attack without remorse of innocent lives.

I think the current state of the world answers that question and all others.

Originally posted by Ufotheatre
and it was using nanotechnology that allowed it to carry an entire fleet of ships inside of it.

... most ufos are controlled by remote with small robots that were created to do the work that we have to do when flying planes and other things.

... that is not that strange they are just checking to see if we have messed up our genetic code because they put us here for a reason and a purpose.. a simple colony to sustain life.

We are now an out of control colony that must be stopped from killing ourselves...

... The age of aquarius reigns the great flood just as it was before... check your astrological calender if you want to know what time i really is.

See... I'm trying to be serious, but now you're being silly... Quit playing with me :p

Originally posted by Ufotheatre
... quote your bible that tells of the day of the lord as it really is nothing magical about it..

My bible is entitled A Demon Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark, by Carl Sagan. As far as religion goes... whether its UFO cults or christian ones... it makes no difference to me.

Just exactly like i said..

You mix up truth and fiction to make your judgements on reality.

The truth is that i did see a fleet of orange ufos using nanotechnology in 1996 right outside of killeen texas.

I was not the only witness to this event.

I dont have to read books written by other colony members to form my basis on reality.

I have seen those who have the real technology and they proved to me without any words books or misunderstandings that there was infact something far beyond my own understanding right here on earth with me.

If you look up all the 2003 predictions May/June particulary,they say that the zetas will come down,which wont happen.Its funny how so-called ufos mainly circulate america,and rarely circulate the other continents,seen as how america as been media crazed since roswell,1947.(The Witness's were all lie detected and were all liers in the end,and it was done by a live broadcast show,so dont blame the government).I have noticed predictions never ever happen as complexed as imagined.(Your Under the Influence of the Matrix,UFOTHEATRE).

Nancy leider is not nothing more than a colony member making a simple life by selling her stories and ideas much like an author sells books.

No i do not believe zeta talk and its absolute nonsense... the place is full of faked pictures of planet x and its all fake.

Sorry but that is nothing more than colony nonsense.

Even cyberspaceorbit.com has fallen for nancy leiders bullshit and that is sad because kent used to have a decent website.

I'm sitting around thinking... hmm... if I wanted to fake a UFO video, how would I do it?

I think I'd like to use a digital format from the beginning, so I won't have to bother with conversion. Digital will be much easier to manipulate frame-by-frame in Adobe premiere and Photoshop.

Then I'd like to get some small, preferably shiny object and suspend it as high in the air as I can and use a fishing rod and line to "pull" it across the field of view as I video it (I'm going to need a friend).

I want this to go behind a building or tree to demonstrate perspective..... preferably a house, since I can use it to help create the suspension line.

Now, bearing this in mind, I looked at this Video (http://balder.prohosting.com/ufotheat/jwnewblackslowzoom.mpg) frame-by-frame. What I noticed right away was that the reflection in the "UFO" changed just as it neared the house. If it were "2 miles away" this would not have occurred, however it is possible that another object caused the reflection change.. unfortunately, none is visible in the video.

The second thing I noticed was the line, and though I was looking for it, I was surprised because this is something I would have been very careful to utilize Photoshop's clone tool to remove.

At first, I merely thought it to be an artifact of the video, however, this "artifact disappears behind the "ufo." That is not consistant with digital video artifacts. (I do know a little about video after all it seems).

Here's the images as I've noticed them:
http://home.earthlink.net/~ctfeagans/FrameByFrameFake.jpg

http://home.earthlink.net/~ctfeagans/UFO Fake line.jpg

If the "claimants" replace the video, I have a copy of the original that I can link to... I'd fix the line if I were them, but we'll see.

OK goober... what you have there on that line is from my VCR...

The original video did not have that line... and im working with jeff to get the original hi-8 tape to make new conversions with.


That is my fault for having shitty equipment.

His ufo is not a hoax because i have the VHS tape copy and he shoots the same ufo when he is not even CLOSE to the house.

I will update my website with another video showing him shooting the same ufo FAR away from his house.

You are pretty retarted i can tell and it will be an uphill march to the reality of the non hoaxed ufo for you i can tell.

JEff does NOT HOAX UFOS!!

Why dont you try to debunk his phoenix lights footage from 1997?

Come on super debunker... lets see your stuff.

He has never send me anything hoaxed and he has send me 8+ vhs taped and there was not 1 single hoaxed ufo on them.


You are going to look really stupid when that evidence of a line from a shitty transfer is gone and then you will find something else to bitch about.

Im sorry but your shooting at the moon with blanks... THERE ARE NO HOAXES ON MY WEBSITE.

I HAVE EXAMINED EACH VIDEO

Why is The Saucer the wrong way. :bugeye:

Originally posted by Ufotheatre
Just exactly like i said..

You mix up truth and fiction to make your judgements on reality.

So let's talk a bit about "truth."

Originally posted by Ufotheatre
The truth is that i did see a fleet of orange ufos using nanotechnology in 1996 right outside of killeen texas.

First, what indications did you have that this was nanotechnology?

Second, why should we accept that as the truth. Many people hallucinate and lie everyday. I work with a young man that believes he sees demons and angels standing behind people and that's how he can tell if someone is good or bad. To him, that is truth. To the rest of the world, it's part of his mental illness. I'm not suggesting that you are mentally ill, but every single one of use can hallucinate or dream given the right conditions.

Originally posted by Ufotheatre
I was not the only witness to this event.

Means little.... The event was very likely related to flares by A-10 pilots or ground artillery units on Fort Hood. I was stationed there for many years and can tell you that these things look strange, even to the trained and experienced eye.

Originally posted by Ufotheatre
I dont have to read books written by other colony members to form my basis on reality.

Your basis on reality is apparently skewed. It is definately not based on critical thinking.

Originally posted by Ufotheatre
I have seen those who have the real technology and they proved to me without any words books or misunderstandings that there was infact something far beyond my own understanding right here on earth with me.

Now this, I'd be interested in hearing about. Perhaps there is evidence that I (and the rest of the world) has been overlooking all this time.

Originally posted by Ufotheatre
OK goober... what you have there on that line is from my VCR...

The original video did not have that line...

Okay... fair enough.. but I still wonder why the line goes BEHIND THE UFO. Either the line was there first or the UFO was. If it is a line from a video artifact, that means the UFO was super-imposed, frame-by-frame. I see that as unlikely since it is easier to remove a line with photoshop's clone tool than to make a separate UFO image for each frame.

But what about the reflections in the first set?

Oh... I'll get to the "Phoenix Lights" footage soon enough.. :D

UfoTheatre,dont go so deep in such an unknown subject.

Hold your horses buddy..

I know what the hell flares look like... the orange object used nanotechnology and there was atleast 8 cars pulled off the side of the highway watching this object as it went across the highway.


The orange object emited objects out of the underside of it and these objects were small at first but then they all went up and around the original object like they were shielding it and they all grew to the same size of the object than had let them out.

They stayed like this for about 15 minutes while the parent object remained motionless the objects around the parent object continuously shifted positions around the parent object.

They all stayed in specificly geometric positions around the parent object for 20 minutes atleast before they all RETURNED back into the bottom of the parent object and then 2 more parent objects appeared above the main object and they all Departed together to the north.

The parent object had a force field around it that was amazing... it would shimmer and it would seem to change its shape to fit best when the smaller objects would move around it.

Also.. the people who were on the side of the road watching it with us... 2 of them were in fatigues and in the military and i asked one guy ron if this was some military object and he said that he had never in his life seen anything like that before and his friend kept saying OH MY GOD OH MY GOD like 10 or 20 times during the event duration.

I myself didnt sleep for 2 days afterwards wandering what the hell that thing was... it was the most amazing thing i have ever seen in my life and it was not even in the catagory of flares dropped from anything.

Flares are not even half as bright as this object much less have super flares that dont smoke.

I know it was a real object... i dont think there was aliens inside of it but it was controlled and built with technology that we are not even close to accomplishing.

These objects do exist..

http://www.uforu.narod.ru/ufo2003/ufo_2803.htm

This is a link to objects which are just like the ones i need in killeen that time.

The only thing different with the ones at that link is that i was just across the highway and this object and its spawned objects flew right up and past us and we were so close that it was downright scary for everyone.

They were so amazing and the formations of light they would create were very strange and awesome at the same time.

It was amazing... but the reality of it was so much that it changed the way i think and the way i look at ufo sightings.

Im sorry that you didnt get to experence it for yourself.

Im positive that these orange objects are still here and people are always seeing the exact same thing i seen that night.


Do a search on google for strange lights.. or orange ufo or ufo lights and you will find more reports of the same thing.

must be mass hysteria because that ufo has been here since atleast 1942.

Here is a direct link to another picture.

http://rense.com/general27/battle.htm

Also.... you see the parent object in the spotlights... and you see the smaller ones around it that came from the parent object... and i am positive that if you do your research you will find that these objects almost always glow bright orange and they are always described as beautiful or amazing.. because they are i have seen them and i know that they are so amazing that i cant even find the right words to describe fully what i seen that object do.

UFOTheatre, you discredit yourself as a witness with many of your statements.

You said:

the orange object used nanotechnology

The parent object had a force field around it

they are just an older race of humans

they have somehow inbedded computers into their minds and become 1 with the machine

they all had energy fields around them

most ufos are controlled by remote with small robots that were created to do the work that we have to do when flying planes and other things

when our creators return all goverments will fall and the ones in control will attempt to kill everyone with those weapons because they will no longer be leaders in power.

The universe started a chaotic flash of energy controlled from the outside and molded into a spendid array of spirals and circles that are proof that chaos is controlled by peace and understanding from the OUTSIDE... Not from the inside.

Our true saviors are those who are from the stars and the ones who know the universal law of understanding and peace.

The age of aquarius reigns the great flood just as it was before... check your astrological calender if you want to know what time i really is.

I would really like to see the evidence you have for any or all of these claims. I'm sure many other would as well. You really aren't helping Jeff at all with trying to get people to believe his video is genuine.

Actually, I think you are being duped by Jeff.... I certainly didn't pay for the video.

Nobody is being duped.

Your a skeptic who has no experence in the ufo field... you have not ever had a sighting and you dont know what your talking about.

All you know is hoaxes.. your life is a hoax... your beliefs are a hoax from a failing society.

Im sorry but anyone with any astrological knowledge can vouch that the coming age of aquarius is the rebirth of astrological time as we know it.

You are just a skeptical person with nothing else to do accept hang out on ufo forums and ATTEMPT to keep up with the post and trying to debunk.

Why dont you go hang out with other skeptics on the NON ufo forum where primitive thinking is more your speed.


Thanks for your time and your skeptical retardations... i dont have to shit to prove.. i have proof in videos you have to prove that the proof is fake to reinforce your failing beliefs system that there is no life outside earth and that when earth was a boiling ball of lava that was ejected from the sun that it already had life on it somehow.

All life comes from space... that means primitive thinkers too... not just ocean creatures and dinosaurs.

Dont ask yourself why dinosaurs were so much larger and all life back then was bigger.. because even though the answer is right in front of your eyes.. you will never see it yet you will try to debunk the answers you dont even know because your colony reinforces the idiotic belief system that humans are the most advanced thinking creatures in our galaxy to keep control of the other primitive thinkers.

Your one of those primitive thinkers and you prove it with each post.

So I take it you are not going to share any evidence of "aquarius," "force-fields," or "nanotechnology" with us?

Why dont you go hang out with other skeptics on the NON ufo forum

I am in a "non-ufo" forum. This is a Psuedoscience forum. Pseudo meaning false or pretended. We here to talk about "pretend" science.

Science, my friend, is about testing hypotheses. Your hypothesis can't even make it to theory since you reject all other possibilities out of hand.

If you listen to the things I'm sharing with you, and develop your critical thinking skills, you'll be able to more effectively make your case. There are a lot of plausible arguments that you had going for you that get invalidated by claims that have little credence. The vcr/video artifact for one.

Cheers

Dont be mad because you cant keep up with the times buddy.

Excuse me... but you have no ufo experences... therefore you can keep your comments and quoting to yourself.. go find another post to chase because you and your thoughts are light years in the past there primitive thinker.

Your all alone in the cosmos and your the smart scientist with all the answers.

ha

Originally posted by Ufotheatre
Nobody is being duped.

Your a skeptic who has no experence in the ufo field... you have not ever had a sighting and you dont know what your talking about.

First of all........."You're a skeptic" I hate to point out spelling errors.........but mis-using your and you're really irritates me. It's just a personal thing I have.



Secondly, does it not occur to you the fact that he has never had a sighting give him MORE credit in debunking UFO's? I mean, it would seem rather silly for him to deny their existance if he had actually SEEN one.
Why dont you go hang out with other skeptics on the NON ufo forum where primitive thinking is more your speed.
Actually, his thinking is rather advanced, he is analytical and intelligent in his replies and arguments. YOU however, are resorting to simple nay-saying and repetition of what you've said before, bringing no actual evidence or proof to counter his arguments.


Thanks for your time and your skeptical retardations... i dont have to shit to prove.. i have proof in videos you have to prove that the proof is fake to reinforce your failing beliefs system that there is no life outside earth and that when earth was a boiling ball of lava that was ejected from the sun that it already had life on it somehow.

I highly doubt he believes that earth had life on it when it was a boiling ball of magma. My guess is that he believes that original once celled life began on this earth around a billion years or so ago due to a combination of chemicals and minerals that were given the necessary conditions to facilitate mutation into life.....or something like that......I never really paid a lot of attention in biology...........But that one celled life evolved and mutated over a billion years into what we have today...............

proof = videos

dork

Have you had a experience with aliens you should try it.

Honestly, Ufotheater, get off of the crack. It's really not helping you. No, I'm sorry, I shouldn't be such a dick, after all, you did criticize everbody in the entire human race for living their life as one giant hoax. I DON'T live my life as a hoax, and I'm certainly not a part of the "blind masses". You criticize my species (which very well may be yours, although I have reason to believe otherwise) and that really pisses me off.Your argument and the way you present it is doing you no good, only making the mental institutions more aware. And how come your alien friends haven't picked you up yet? You seem so disgusted with Mankind, just call them on their cell phones that are apparently embedded in their head. I'm sure they'll answer, all they do all day is watch all of the little humans run around in their pathetic little lives. Tell me one thing, how many different races of your far out friends are there? And why hasn't anyone seen the same type of "ship" more than once? Every tape has a different thing, be it a gaint cigarette lighter or an orange thing shitting "ships". One thing I'd like to say, space is big. You already know that. There's a lot of stuff out there, not to mention planets. I know that we aren't the only planet. But how life orginated HERE still hasn't been fully explained. There is the possibility of having the right atmospheric conditions to make life come out of nowhere, but those chances are so hugely astronomical, it's amazing that Earth was picked for it to happen on. What you need is a good chair to sit in and think about the hole that your digging yourself in to. :)

It depends on the person's perception of hoax.Ufo theatre's perception of hoax is going way over the limit,he uses his beliefs as if they were home truths,the guy needs help,maybe he needs a simple dosage like getting a new hobby for instance,instead of wasting your life on the unknown,try something thats worthwhile and very well known.

Sorry, UFotheater, but the movies don't really seem all that good of proof. Like that line through the UFO in that one video. If it was a VCR problem the line would be across the UFO, not behind it. Unless of course the UFO was super-imposed over the VCR error, making it a phony.

Also, all UFO's in these "videos" are the most unstable things i've ever seen. If they are so advanced why can't they hover in a stable manner? Our Helicotpers don't bob and weave like that, and our helicopters are apparently CRAP compared to the things that THEY can build. And if it's the cameramans fault, then how come it's always the TERRIBLE camera users that catch these things on film? How come a talented camera crew never gets this?


Explain.

Here are two more examples of bad UFO photos.... the person who took these two photos claimed that the two objects in the first appeared to "chase" each other, the smaller taking the follow-on position.

In the second, the larger object appeared to hover.

These are obviously fake and probably a balloon.

http://home.earthlink.net/~ctfeagans/Dallas UFO 1.jpg

http://home.earthlink.net/~ctfeagans/Dallas UFO 2.jpg

Another example of crappy photography, that we are expected to believe is something more than a balloon on a tether.

people who say all UFOs videos are fake, are just plain idiots..people who agree with me...they do get on ur nerves...but as long as there people who know and are with you, you are not alone...and i noticed there has been an increased of UFO shows..on discovery, history, etc..on TV .. so i guess those networks also don't believe..eh

Originally posted by AlexKN1
people who say all UFOs videos are fake, are just plain idiots..

The contention isn't that "all... are fake" but rather this: many "UFO" videos are, indeed, hoaxes; the ones that are not do not conclusively prove anything beyond other plausible hypotheses such as weather phenomena, civilian/military aircraft, meteors, camera equipment anomalies, reflections, etc.

In short, the contention is that unless the video is clear enough to see something compelling (little gray/gree/blue dudes waving out of the window, for instance), other hypotheses deserve more consideration since they involve well documented phenomena.

Originally posted by AlexKN1
and i noticed there has been an increased of UFO shows..on discovery, history, etc..on TV .. so i guess those networks also don't believe..eh

Money. That's the primary driving force... the same driving force that puts John Edwards on television talking to dead people. The same driving force that puts other fictional shows like Smallville, X-Files, and the Greatest American Hero on. Ratings=$

Just to be fair, let me announce that I'm an Anthropology student and I have had a fascination lately with belief systems. What I notice is that when believers are faced with logical skeptism and critical thinkers who ask relevant questions of the issue, the believers resort to ad hominem attacks. That is to say, they attack the person rather than the issue. Your use of "idiots" is an example.

Originally posted by SkinWalker
Just to be fair, let me announce that I'm an Anthropology student and I have had a fascination lately with belief systems. What I notice is that when believers are faced with logical skeptism and critical thinkers who ask relevant questions of the issue, the believers resort to ad hominem attacks. That is to say, they attack the person rather than the issue. Your use of "idiots" is an example.

That's an interesting observation....I've never really thought about it until now, but that's very often correct...most often when I argue with people in real life and start winning they resort to personal attacks............And whenever I debated in Forensics club in high school I didn't care about winning and if they were better than me I resorted to personal attacks........I lost points but it made me feel better about myself :p

I am just gonna say everytime who attacks me, i'll just say do some extensive research before talking me. I don't want to hear. I have done my research, now its your turn.

Originally posted by AlexKN1
I don't want to hear. I have done my research, now its your turn.

Cite references to your research, please. Stay tuned, and I'll cite a few for you as well. :p

I believe that there have been many "UFOs" caught on tape and there have been an equal amount of fakes. I believe this only because I have recorded some myself. (real ones that is) I also believe this because about 20 years ago my father saw one that "appeared to be about 70 feet wide and about 100 feet away." And my dad is not into "UFOs" .. but he cannot denie what he saw with his own eyes. I have seen and not to mention heard them quite a bit myself. I dont tell you guys this information because I want praise or any other dumb reason.. I tell you this because it is the truth.
(I put UFOs in quotations because I believe there are alot of "UFOs" that are natural phenomena.. then there are the ones that cannot be mistaken for anything but a flying disc.. or flying saucer.. or whatever you want to call them.. so when I put it in quotations Im refering to flying discs)

I think the moving red fireball video i shot the other day pretty much slaps the woo outta all you skeptics mouths.

:) :) :)

Debunk that

In my invitation to "debunk" Ufotheatre's latest creation/observation, I'd like to first caution that for anyone about to download the video, be ready for a 35 mb d/l.

Now, to the debunking. I won't waste time with the obvious pre- and post- hoaxing possibilities. With unvalidated video evidence, this is always the possibility, and, in this case, could easily have been done.

So, assuming that it is not a hoax (not that I've ruled it out), and assuming that it is not an 'alien craft' (since probabilities are against it, though, again, I don't rule it out), that leaves a natural phenomena or god.

We can safely rule out a diety, since there is little evidence to support that he/she/they is interested in hoaxing "ufo" videos.

That leaves natural phenomena.

I immediately recognized this as characteristic of an atypical, but not uncommon, characteristic of the pyractomena borealis, more commonly known as the firefly or lightening bug.

P. borealis uses bioluminescence to warn other animals that they taste bad, though some theories believe that it is also to attract a mate. "These bioluminescent signals can take the form of anything from a continuous glow, to discrete single flashes, to"flash-trains" composed of multi-pulsed flashes," according to Lloyd 1966 and Williams 1917.

Having been an avid outdoorsman most of my life, I have personally witnessed effects very similar to the one depicted in low light and twilight conditions. They can be considered strange and counter-intuitive to even the experienced outdoorsman, particularly if one is unfamiliar with P. borealis.

At first, when watching the video, you get the sense that there is a red-tinted light, at least as far away as the stand of trees near the horizon (which are junipers and mesquite from the look, and do not stand very tall as trees in other parts of the country). However, I think it is equally, if not more, likely that the object, which is probably a P. borealis, is much closer. It's most likely flight path is relatively shorter than Ufotheatre would like to believe and consists mostly of vertical movement with exception of the short horizontal trip from right to left. Whatever it's flight path, it's important to note that it cannot be discerned, but only assumed, since comparative objects for ranging are not forthcoming and the video itself is of such poor quality.

References at the bottom, but here's my challenge: cite any reference which suggests that this sort of phenomena is indicative of 'alien craft' or other ufo lore.

Lloyd, J.E. 1991. Lampyridae (Cantharoidea). pp.427-428 in F.W. Stehr, ed. Immature Insects. vol.2. Kendall-Hunt Publ. Co., Dubuque, IA.

Williams, F.X. 1917. Notes on the life-history of some North American Lampyridae. Journal New York Entomology Society, 25:11-13.

yea... these softball sized lightning bugs also swim in the water..... LOL..

i see the level of resort you have to go to here to debunk..

that was flat out pathetic... :)

Originally posted by Ufotheatre
yea... these softball sized lightning bugs also swim in the water..... LOL..

i see the level of resort you have to go to here to debunk..

that was flat out pathetic... :)

I see no proof that these were "softball sized." When dealing with luminous objects, size and distance become difficult to discern. "The panel noted that the human eye is a very poor device for measuring absolute luminosities: the state of dark adaptation of the eye affects the amount of light reaching the retina, and different parts of the retina respond differently to light."

Peter A. Sturrock et al. (1998). Physical evidence related to UFO reports. J. Scientific Exploration, 12, 2, 179.

I do, however, see evidence of someone who is very willing to believe just about anything that fits his (her?) belief system, without regard to physical evidence or alternative hypotheses.

All kidding aside, I suggest counseling.

aww poor guy, so misled so goober.

He believes everything can be explained.. even softball sized fireflies exist in his world.

Sorry, but to me your just a skeptic

Atleast i have something besides words to prove my beliefs... you just cry and whine and *try* to debunk even when your own words prove you have nothing better to do.

I have a feeling your a nerdy guy with glasses... real fat... just like the rest of the amercian population.

Try going outside... you might lose some weight and see a ufo.

:)

:D

One of the things that fascinates me the most about those who take on fetishes with the paranormal is the fact that they, who consider themselves so "open-minded," nearly always resort to ad hominem, or personal, attacks when they are faced with scrutiny.

That's the difference between pseudoscience (pseudo meaning 'fake') and science. Scientists and those who employ scientific method welcome scrutiny. It is good to have colleages poke at every possible explanation before going to the public with your 'findings.'

UFOTheatre is a pseudoscientist. He talks about his "evidence," which consists of poorly made video and still images. Some appear to be blatantly hoaxed, others appear to have alternative explanations, some have not enough data to make a conclusion. None seem to show with any confidence that there is an 'alien craft' at work.

I mean no harm to UFOTheatre.... I actually wish to be helpful. I take no offense at your insults, since I realize that many UFO fantasies arise from a compensation of the burdensome stress of self-esteem and control or lack thereof (Newman & Baumeister, 1996). However, I also know that the work of genuine scientists in the field with projects like SETI (Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence), SETV (Search for Extraterrestrial Visitation), SETA (... for ET Artifacts), and EMBLA (Electromagnetic Behavior of Luminous Anomalies) have all concluded that there are no conclusions. They've found, to date, nothing conclusive to indicate that there are alien craft visiting our planet (Teodorani, 2002).

The very nature of UFOTheatre's insults indicate a deficiency in self-esteem and personal control of his daily environment. I say indicate, not prove. I could, and hope to, be wrong. But ad hominem attacks are very telling.

Newman L, Baumeister R, 1996. Toward an explanation of the UFO phenomenon: hypnotic elaboration, extraterrestial sadomasochism, and spurious memories. Psychological Inquiry, Vol 7, number 2, pp 99-126.

Teodorani, M., 2002. The physical study of atmospheric luminous anomalies and the SETV hypothesis. CNR - Instituto di Radioastronomia / Radiotelescopia di Medicina. Found at http://www.zeitlin.net/OpenSETI/Docs/EuroSETI2002_OSI.htm

Much of UFO phenomena are hoaxes, fakes, etc..

But indeed some are quite real..

But the question is not that people see strange things in the sky, because Its proven people see it all the time... there are hundreds of sightings in the world each year..

The problem is that many ufologists say that their ETs.... well, there is no evidence regarding that..


UFOs are real... but they are still a big "?"
Unindentified Flying Object... Their still pretty much that thing,
nothing still proves its ETs or God sent Angels or anything like that..

althought I believe its good to research those things, but with good skepticism of course

Apparentely, it's hard to imagine for peoples, even to suppose that there's life outside of earth.

They need proof, so there sending spacecraft to nearby planets, Mars, Venus. But until the day they have this 'discovery' made, people don't seem to agree with an hypothesis either.

The Hypothesis of life outside earth, that reasambles our intelligence,... but : there's a problem with hypothesis: it's still an hypothesis, it's no proof, even if it's verry plausible and even if there's a watertight story behind it.

So people will always keep discussing, that's the only fact there is to it.
Just in the way that peoples will always discuss a 'believed' g_d that 'should' exist.

That one too yeah! No-one can affirm it with undeniable proof.

So believe what you will, nobody is stopping you from doing just that.

Believe is a verry personal thing.
Maby 'you' where 'chosen' to vieuw an UFO, praise yourself 'lucky'.
But don't try to convince others of your beliefs or soon enough, you will find yourself in conflict with everyone in your surroundings in the same way that muslims, Jews, and even 'Fine' Christian peoples are figthing eachother for 'their' beliefs.

Live long and happy, may you have many more expreriences.
Thank you


Greetz
Fukushi

I have seen other versions of the concepts stated in the link
below at other, U. S.-based websites. They are interesting.
http://english.pravda.ru/main/2003/02/27/43790.html

Originally posted by Fukushi
Apparentely, it's hard to imagine for peoples, even to suppose that there's life outside of earth.

It's not hard to imagine. In fact, the probability is that they do exist. I easily imagine hundreds, maybe thousands or even more worlds where life exists at an intelligent level. The billions of billions of galaxies, with billions of billions of stars, many with planets of their own, would suggest that, mathematically speaking, there should be more intelligent life than ours.

What I do have a hard time believing is that alien craft are visiting our little bubble of existance using "nanotechnology" and " when our creators return all goverments will fall and the ones in control will attempt to kill everyone with those weapons because they will no longer be leaders in power.. We as humans will once again be free and there will be no other humans with power over the masses and other peoples lives. " -- UFOTheatre on page 1.

Originally posted by Fukushi
Believe is a verry personal thing.

This is all very true, but a problem with our society, as I see it, is that 'belief systems' are overriding critical thought and management of cognitive processes in general.

Sometimes its hard for science to admit it..

But the possibilities that have been calculated, and scientificaly speaking the probabilities of finding life outside our planet is..
99,999...%

And what about inteligent life?
We did found already one inteligent life form... Us!
And in the universe there are no exceptions on it, so It must indeed be formed elsewere, regarding how low the probability is..
So its like 99,999...%

So It may be or may not be that our universe is Full of life and civilizations, but there is plenty of space and chance for another civilization as advanced as us to exists in the universe..
about bacterial life... well thats almost an undoubtable "fact", even if we didnt found it yet in our solar system..

And im only refering to the probability of just Another besides ours... wich is pretty high

i would say these vidoes are sketchy at best, And crappy

Originally posted by Ertai
Sometimes its hard for science to admit it..

But the possibilities that have been calculated, and scientificaly speaking the probabilities of finding life outside our planet is..
99,999...%

And what about inteligent life?
We did found already one inteligent life form... Us!
And in the universe there are no exceptions on it, so It must indeed be formed elsewere, regarding how low the probability is..
So its like 99,999...%

So It may be or may not be that our universe is Full of life and civilizations, but there is plenty of space and chance for another civilization as advanced as us to exists in the universe..
about bacterial life... well thats almost an undoubtable "fact", even if we didnt found it yet in our solar system..

And im only refering to the probability of just Another besides ours... wich is pretty high


And thank you for pulling percentages out of your butt, Congratulations, they must have been up there for awhile, glad to se eyou got them out. Science has often been there to dispute the idea that there is intelligent life, saying that the percentage is rather low, and the percentage of intelligent life actually being able to travel thousands of light years is perposterous. I believe it was galileo who said "I have no doubt there is life other than us , however the idea of them being able to travel such a huge expanse is very unlikely"

a good argument for my thesis on the behaviour of peoples inside an hypothetical multiversum, where time trivel has been invented.

A form of time travel to the future is possible, if you accept
time dialation as explained in Relativity. Time slows FOR THE
TRAVELER when traveling at relativistic speeds, more and
more so as he gets closer to the speed of light. A hundred
light years could be traveled in less than a month OF THE
TRAVELER'S time frame if speeds NEAR light speed could be
attained. When he returned home, over two hundred years
would have passed but he would be only a couple of months
older. Time travel to the past may be impossible, though. At
least, this is my understanding of time dialation, let me stress,
I AM NOT A PHYSICIST.

Originally posted by JoojooSpaceape
And thank you for pulling percentages out of your butt, Congratulations, they must have been up there for awhile, glad to se eyou got them out. Science has often been there to dispute the idea that there is intelligent life, saying that the percentage is rather low, and the percentage of intelligent life actually being able to travel thousands of light years is perposterous. I believe it was galileo who said "I have no doubt there is life other than us , however the idea of them being able to travel such a huge expanse is very unlikely"

Questions:

Prove that there are ET aliens?
Prove that if ET aliens exist that they cannot travel long distances?

You cannot prove or disprove, there is no argument, its all opinion and huge speculation. The only reason people believe in ET aliens because there are a lot more unexplainable than explainable.

I say, most of you guys carry alot of half truths. (in my opinion) I believe there has NEVER been any "alien" intelligent life on the planet earth.

Some "UFOS" are just that, unidentified flying objects.... then there are the "real flying saucers." The reason SETI hasn't found any conclusion for the discs to be alien is because they aren't. And they are man-made and man-flown. Nikola Tesla is the inventor.

The reason "no one" has them is a large explanation, that most people would disreguard for the fact that they don't believe in any of those "incredible conspiracies."

I dont think the saucers are sent of a diety and I dont think they are natural phenomena, because nature just doesn't make flying machines... and I dont believe they are alien. I believe they are man-made...just give it some thought.

P.S. email billlyne@earthlink.net and ask him how you can buy one of his awsome books..or just ask him how flying discs are man-made. DO THIS! his books present some very interesting theories

Originally posted by jeffwilles
First off I think it is a waste of my time defending my footage
to people that dont know what ufos look like on video and
how video cams work.

about the ufo your talking about, It was not a hoax.
I have never hoaxed a video.
I have been videotaping ufos in the sky from 1995 tell now.
There are many ufos in the sky all you have to do is look.
I have video taped about a 100 UFOs

and that is only the good ones. This ufo was about 30 feet long
and about 1 mile away. and yes I bet you could fit 2 or 3 aliens inside.

As someone who saw this, I can for sure say that I think
this was and is a alien ufo. and not some black usa gov. thing.
allso, I have seen these same ufos on tape shot by many people.

I have been videotaping ufos for years watching the skys for 1000s of hours allways trying to top my last footage.

and when I do, I get lots of people telling me that they seen the same thing at one time in their life. This is real, many people
know it. You dont need to fake it, just go out and film it.

you guys should do your homework on how video cams work
and what ufos look like on video. This ufo I shot has been around
for a long time.

thanks,
Jeff Willes

I have never hoaxed a video blah blah blah, alfl my videos are really videos of flying tin foil hats and silver buttons! NEVER HAVE I FAKED THE HATS OR BUTTONS NEVER

Wheter or not the Video's are genuin/real or not, there's no way I'm going to pay to vieuw a few blimps in the sky, UFO or not.

And that's just the way the world works.

If you would have something to show me for free, I would look at it; but like in quantum-mechanics: just looking at it, changes reality.

Has anyone thought that the ufos might be from a creature that evolved on earth just like us only in the distant past and has either just returned recentlly or has always been hear.

May be hidden under the ocean or under the earth where humans haven't explored yet?

Originally posted by dinokg
Has anyone thought that the ufos might be from a creature that evolved on earth just like us only in the distant past and has either just returned recentlly or has always been hear.

May be hidden under the ocean or under the earth where humans haven't explored yet?

I heard a lot about that, i heard some been here , only till recently they left, but this is not proven, just some people talk about these things, its still interesting to listen to them, like the theory that Planet X used to be part of this solar system, untill something colided and threw it out. And these aliens from Planet X, put us here on purpose, and these Planet X people look a lot like us.

More wild conjectures based on.... nothing. They can't even be called hypotheses, much less theories.

In order for all these conjectures to make it as a valid point in science, they have to satisfy three criteria. First you have to show it's a real phenomenon. Second, you have to have a candidate mechanism that explains what it might be. And third it has to have broad implications.

That the source of UFO's would be from an Earth creature of another time would have VAST implications, indeed. Unfortunately, the first and second criteria are left in the cold.

One might as well suggest that they're being driven by leprechans that are flying about the planet making rainbows and skipping through fields of clover on their way to pots of gold.

There are some very strange ancient things found in the ground.

One I remenber hearing about is strange metal speres from a billion or so years ago.

But its more likely that some of these things are from time travelers or other sources when they get to old.

But who knows there could be some things that did reach our level of intelegence even in the far distant past when we think there was just primative life forms.

More wild conjectures based on.... nothing. They can't even be called hypotheses, much less theories.

Like the theory of evolution! What a god damn coincidence, eh?

Originally posted by norad
More wild conjectures based on.... nothing. They can't even be called hypotheses, much less theories.

Like the theory of evolution! What a god damn coincidence, eh?

There is more about evoloution that is testable than the idea that Earth's former residents are back and driving spaceships that is predominately observed by people without critical thinking or lacking in skeptical reasoning skills.

Evolution is certainly more testable than any of the creation mythologies that exist... but this certainly is not the proper venue to debate such things.

This is true, SkinWalker. I was trying to show the correlation between the two. By the way, like the name-SkinWalker. That is GREAT!

Why wasnt einstein considered a leader? if he was infact so smart?This particular issue actually has a real answer.

Einstein was considered a leader. He was offered the first presidency of Israel. Like the smart man he was, he turned it down.

But on the general theme, I got a slap in the face once from a video game, of all things. There's a scene in Deus Ex in which your character interacts with a Hong Kong bartender who happens to be black and named Isaac. But you argue political philosophy with him, and of the general idea of democracy, Isaac reminds that if you organize a government around the lowest qualities in people, those qualities will be reflected in the leaders.

In 2002, Oregon's governor Kitzhaber, a rather controversial figure it seems, opted to not run for re-election. One of the major newspapers in the state, in endorsing one or another of the candidates aiming to replace him, called the candidate "one of us," meaning the common folk, and went on to say that Kitzhaber was too intellectual to be governor, that his perspective was too removed and withdrawn for him to effectively reflect the wishes of the people.

By that reasoning, the people don't want smart leaders. And we might say what we want about the 2000 election, but the fact remains that Americans in all states had the opportunity to select other candidates than George W. Bush and Al Gore to square off for the title. Those two were the best we could come up with, and most wouldn't take Nader seriously. George Bush is a "fighter pilot"? Ralph Nader has actually saved Americans' lives. (Note: I didn't vote for Nader in 2000. I'm not entirely sure why he unsettles me like he does.)

Age of Aquarius aside, though, I agree largely about the blind leading the blind. But the blind leading the blind proves nothing except that some blind folks are a bit more bold than others.

And, just for the record, the CNN footage of the WTC Ufo ... no. I mean, technically, it is an object, I'm not sure what it is, and it is in the air, but ... no.

Still though ... thanks. I'm always happy to see footage I haven't come across before.

accidental double-post

SkinWalker probably blocked me, and most probably still hates me, but hell, the guys pretty damn smart. SkinWalker pointed out the dumbest mistake 'the maker' of the video footage made, that dolt(the maker). Even if it was the VHS, what are the odds it would be directly over the UFO? Not even mentioning it was behind it.

My dad's seen strange UFOs before that appear to teleport from one position to the other. He has seen these in a few occasions, if i recall correctly he said 3-4times(long periods apart). I've been fascinated by these stories, and believe him 100% as he is, a very highly educated man who loves criticising 'pseudoscience'(as you guys like to call it) or should i say, he did. Still, he never disclaimed the possibility that it could be some scientifically proven phenomenon, although he says its unlikely.

Now, you don’t see me saying, "Aliens made us, they will come and free us from this idiotic society, and we will all become happy tree-hugging assholes." Put more thought into what you write. I truly believe, that you believe you're right. Firstly because you react the same to me when someone undermines something I’m certain off(in an idiotic and in contributing method) by calling them names. You should seriously reconsider some of the possibilities, i mean SkinWalker only picked one out and found out it was a load of shit(hoax) c'mon now... you don't sound entirely stupid.

the difference between me and the so-called sceptics here is this : i would love for your dad to really explain what he saw....not only the ctual sight, but how he felt...really go into detail, both analytially, intellectually, emotionally--the whole schebangel.....of course it'd be good to also see any documented evidence, but if not then to really realy REALLY LISTEN

whati feel the 'scpetics' ted to do here i wit a wave of te hand dismiss anything that is not in their pre-supposed worldview

whati feel the 'scpetics' ted to do here i wit a wave of te hand dismiss anything that is not in their pre-supposed worldview
That sounds like what the believers do to every mundane explanation.
;)

That sounds like what the believers do to every mundane explanation.
;)

lets call the game 'sceptics (''= 'pseudo') and the believers/gullibles, ok

IS there an Xcluded middle?

lets call the game 'sceptics (''= 'pseudo') and the believers/gullibles, ok

IS there an Xcluded middle?

Believers = gullibles? hmm... ok, what you're saying is, someone is stupid to believe what they've seen with their own two eyes? even if without a reasonable doubt it appears to be something completely odd and out of this world? Offcourse, if it is indeed human technology, yes, they are gullibles. But i'd rather be a believer then to deny incredibly bright, unearthly objects, appearing next to me. I'd rather be called gullibe then having the nerve to call it an optical illusion/hallucination/bullshit.

Ok, i'll get into more detail with my dad's experiences. He claims he saw(a few times, in different occasions) a bright white object, about the same size as a star doing impressive manuvours. He claims they moved in a zigzaging style across vast amounts of skies, appearing to teleport from one point to the other. Now, considering my dad was a hardcore sceptic, he wouldn’t be caught dead agreeing to any such phenomenon. He’s my dad, and just like any other person who has loyal, educated, normal parents, you would not expect them to lie about such things, nor do they have a reason to. He doesn’t go to the pub and tell his friends about how he sees alien ships, or obsess about it, to my knowledge, he only told a hand full of people.

His own words: “I know there is a possibility that it could be man-made, but technology like this has never been seen before, or at least by ‘normal people’(suggesting people who don’t work for organisations manufacturing these technologies, if there is)”
This suggests he’s not insane/gullible.

Hey Serb05, i didn't mean hownyou read what i said...by 'believer' i wasn't referring to people, like your dad, who have had experience. what i meant by believer is for example people who blindly believe. in religion this'd be blind faith....in UFOolgy it's be a belief in 'what 'it' is', and blocking out otherviews, yeah? i keep trying to be in an 'i dont knpw' mode..........
I completely respect your dad's experiece and his insight as to what it may be....i REALLYgell wit it.

from what i hav read. the few people who believe it may be man-made phenomena seem to be a bit iffy abot ET explanations, and vice versa. peole who cling to an ET explanation shun talk about man-made phenomena. so again we get two oppsoing camps....what we NEED then is to become aware of te excluded middle, which can blcok open investigation

Skinwalker, you are a BIG HOAX yourself.

Why?

I'm terminating this thread, it's old, someone brought it back from the dead and people can't help but try to wind each other up... so simplist method of dealing with it, close the thread. (It should of been pensioned off years ago)