New Nebraska Law Restricts Abortion

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  1. Kennyc Registered Senior Member

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    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/14/us/14abortion.html

    "Gov. Dave Heineman of Nebraska signed a law on Tuesday banning most abortions 20 weeks after conception or later on the theory that a fetus, by that stage in pregnancy, has the capacity to feel pain. The law, which appears nearly certain to set off legal and scientific debates, is the first in the nation to restrict abortions on the basis of fetal pain. ...."


    Hopefully it will be repealed!
     
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  3. visceral_instinct Monkey see, monkey denigrate Valued Senior Member

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    What is anesthesia for, again?
     
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  5. Omega133 Aus der Dunkelheit Valued Senior Member

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    Wow, really? Anesthesia wouldn't do anything to improve the situation. It's meant for putting people to sleep during surgery. How would you be able to get it to the fetus?
     
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  7. visceral_instinct Monkey see, monkey denigrate Valued Senior Member

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    Ah, I was sure it acted on the fetus too. My apologies, I may well be wrong.
     
  8. Omega133 Aus der Dunkelheit Valued Senior Member

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    Apologies aren't neccessary. But it wouldn't work. During a C-Section the mother is anesthetised for the operation. Yet the baby comes out awake. So it has been proven to not work.
     
  9. visceral_instinct Monkey see, monkey denigrate Valued Senior Member

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    Oh, I didn't know that

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  10. Kennyc Registered Senior Member

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    But the mother is not usually under general anesthesia, but epidural block.


    "One reason general anesthetics are used less often today is that they have profound side effects. The mother's breathing may slow down or stop; her blood pressure may drop and cause her heart rate to change. General anesthetics may also stop contractions of the uterus and cause excessive bleeding after birth. The baby is also affected. "

    From: http://health.howstuffworks.com/understanding-childbirth-medications2.htm
     
  11. Omega133 Aus der Dunkelheit Valued Senior Member

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    Interesting. I merely meant that the baby won't be anasthetised as well.
     
  12. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    it depends, Morphine for instance can pass the placenta though the risks of NOT using it when the mother is in extream pain (for instance because she has just be in an MVA) are concidered to be greater (pain alone with no other causes can send a person into shock and that could kill the fetus when blood is shafted to the major organs of the mother). Of course i dont know the time frames nessary for morphine (even IV) to pass the placenta barrier because the question was about the safty of ambulance drugs on pregant women, not the effects of morphine on a fetus directly
     
  13. Neverfly Banned Banned

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    Current law places it at 22 weeks. They only shifted it back a couple weeks.

    Anesthesia would not only be difficult to adminster to the fetus, it would probably be a whole new problem of ethics.

    The reason being is that by medical laws, should the fetus THEN go into cardiac arrest, they are required by law to try to SAVE its life or be prosecuted.
    Then kill at after so doing?
    Right.
     
  14. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    how do you know? anasetics arent used, the mother is awake during a c-section just like during a normal labor. Further more anasetics arnt 1 class of drug, they are a combination of drugs used to do 3 things. Analgisics, a paralising agent and a seditive (designed to put someone to sleep).

    The only one of the 3 which is important in this is the analgisic and as i already said morphine can pass the placenta barrier. It doesnt matter if the paralising agents and the seditive dont pass the placenta because the fetus isnt concious and there isnt any reason to paralise it like there is the mother during surgury (so that she doesnt twitch and the mussle or whatever the surgen is trying to cut suddenly moves the aorta under the knife insted)
     
  15. Omega133 Aus der Dunkelheit Valued Senior Member

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    Because it's never happened before.

    I don't think the mother would be awake when they're cutting her open.

    What about Ether?

    Did not know this.
     
  16. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    Sorry thats wrong, fetus may not be asleep (course how would you know) or paralised but it does recive the effects of analgisia as i already stated


    Which only proves you dont know what your talking about, people are also awake for alot of surgury including brain surgury to implant electrodes for parkensons disease and for lasic eye surgury and alot of others.

    Sure there are some drugs which can do 2 or more of those funtions but its still a concidered to be a combination of 3 seprate effects even if the one drug is responcable for all 3. For instance the most common one i have herd of is a mix of morphine (anagisia), medazalam (amnesia and sedation) and a barbituate (i THINK, this is the one im least sure of but it is for paralisis). The reason morphine is still given even though they are heavly sedated is that the body will still respond to pain and this can send the pt into shock.


    Clearly there is a lot of things you dont know
     
  17. Omega133 Aus der Dunkelheit Valued Senior Member

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    Medicine is not my strong point. I thank you for correcting me however it is uneccessary to claim I don't know many things. I'm sure that you have an area in which you are not educated fully in. There is no need for insults in a place for intellectuals. Again I thank you for correcting my mistakes and answering my question on Ether.
     
  18. CutsieMarie89 Zen Registered Senior Member

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    I have no qualms with that. Women who wait that long are seriously procrastinating. If I was already half way done with my pregnancy I'd probably would just go ahead and finish it.
     

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