BAGHDAD (Reuters) - At least 15 scorched corpses littered a poor residential street in Baghdad on Wednesday after U.S. bomb and missile strikes intensified on the city, Reuters witnesses said.

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=2451040

Strange that you should miss the other half where it was reported that captured POW's were shot by the Iraqis', Helen.

A bit one sided wouldn't you say?

Of course, things could be different soon. At a recently captured hospital, Iraqi military uniforms were found where the soldiers had changed to civilian clothes to fight. It was also reported that chemical suits and gas masks were found in a hospital. Also with that were found injectors of Anthropine. Anthropine is used as a counter to nerve agents. This can only indicate the planning of releasing chemical agents. Strange thing to give to your troops if you have no WMD isn't it?

Originally posted by wet1
Strange that you should miss the other half where it was reported that captured POW's were shot by the Iraqis', Helen.

A bit one sided wouldn't you say?

You americans are so PATHETICS, I am talking about your new massacre, the other reports you are refering to is from American resources : ( screw them ).

May I return your sympathies for those you favor also.

Your news sources are every bit as suspect.

Helen,

I assume you are a muslim, so now why cry when america kills iraqies but shut up when saddam does it?

besides i doubt the US army targetted this market, guess a small error with the bomb or something

There will BE further injuries to civilians as the Iraqi soldiers remove uniforms and hide within the civilians to shoot at the other side. You can not expect those that are targeted not to shoot back when shot at.

If you wish to blame someone for that, blame the right people, the Iraqi soldiers. They removed their uniforums by choice and purposefully picked this method of "cover".

Of course I am sure that this is alright in your book. Just don't complain when innocent civilians are shot.

I would think that the bombing of Bagdad has been remarkably selective. It is reported that the electrical services, water, ect is still functioning within the city. Think that was by accident?

Originally posted by Helen
You americans are so PATHETICS, I am talking about your new massacre, the other reports you are refering to is from American resources : ( screw them ).

Yes, and we know that's true because Iraqi TV told us it is.:rolleyes:

The way I figure it, Saddam or his survivor had the shops blown up, probably killing Iraqis in the process.
Of coarse to believe that, you would also have to believe the "leadership" would hide it's miltary behind civilians and shoot, gas or mulch any that gave static.

You also have to remeber a few things.
many of these "soldiers in civillian clothes" ARE civillians that have taken up arms to defend themselves against what they see as an invasion.
Also at the end of the day the coallition is using blatantly overpowered weaponary to attack a much weaker enemy on their own home country without them having attacked first so to be totally fair the Iraqi people have every right to be very pissed off at us coming in and bombing them when they didn't ask for it and even now are asking us why and we are killing them so no holds barred i think.

besided the "Dirty tacticts" like that are nothing compared to the fact that we are using overwhelming force, DU and now with a few casualties, nothign compared to the Iraqi and civillians, we are already talking about screw the civillians just carpet bomb the place and get it over with then roll out the nukes.

Are we forgetting America and even the UK have a favourite trick of sending in special forces in civillian clothes to fight as such and to gain support from local groups, how does that differ?
As for Iraqis shooting our troops when pretending to surrender i still think thats bull and as for the claims of Iraqis shooting surrendering US troops also as unproovable as the claims coallition fighters are killing surrendering Iraqi troops, i can give just as many reports and "anonymous official sources" stating both but this doesn't make it true.
Given the amount of BS fed to us before the war and the equal amount being fed to us During the war and being prooved false or retracted by the same evening you have to really just look at it basically and say, when this is over were there WMD?
The Iraqi's and many more from outside Iraq that have come and are still coming INTO iraq to fight the coallition and the Civillians taking up arms against us are fighting for their country against an invading force that is destroying their homes and killing their familly so whilst i want our guys out and safe, i have a cousing over in the air force i want to come home safe, but i'm not going to because of that close my eyes and shout evil iraqis they must all die, thats what the propoganda here wants, I dont accusations of silly tricks like that by the victims of this war against them and i dont want my people dead, i am put into as bad a loose loose situation as many others because my voice is ignored as "insignificant".

Helen

Weren't you that woman who was reported laughing and dancing in the streets when the WTC fell?

Psycho-Cannon sez:

"evil iraqis they must all die, thats what the propoganda here wants, "

I listen to news radio and "right wing" talk shows all day and watch news on TV in the evening and have NEVER heard anything even remotely like that.
I could pick the rest of Psycho's post to pieces but I must get back to Rush Limbaugh.;)

Psycho,
It's a war. The news casters generally say 'unconfirmed reports of [blah blah]'. Most of the news is unconfirmed because there are not enough people there to actually confirm it. The same thing happened on Sept 11. There were reports that a helicopter exploded in the middle of the pentagon. The stories just got sorted out much quicker because it was easier to confirm. A large portion of what we are hearing has not been directly seen by the media, and is a second hand source. There are going to be errors.

Wet 1, the showing publicly of POW's is somewhat different to the murdering of innocent civilans (correct me if I'm wrong but I think you'll find those who are now held as POW's chose their profession and were aware of the implications of war).

The same however cannot be said for innocent civilians! And no before you say it I wasn't one of those dancing in the streets after the horrific incident at the WTC (I lost friends that day - also innocent civilans without choices!).

THe Iraqis were shelling a large group of anti-bath party protesters in basra a little while ago and you complain about what WE were doing?

I wasn't referring to those set of POW's shown on tv but the lastest set that were mentioned this morning.

Clockwood, I'm not anti-american (I'm pro life - you know life is not a dress rehearsal!). I just feel sorry for the families of the people who have died. When will we learn, how many body bags do they have to send back to the U.S. UK and the other coalition countries?

Originally posted by Helen
You americans are so PATHETICS, I am talking about your new massacre, the other reports you are refering to is from American resources : ( screw them ). Look at the pictures from the site of the explosion.

Do you see a crater there? I do, but it's hardly a foot deep. This was not an American weapon.

The Tomahawk carries a 1,000 pound unitary warhead. The CALCM carries a 2,000 pounder, as does a JDAM. This sort of explosive yield makes HUGE craters, a dozen feet deep or more, and dozens wide. This explosion was a relatively low yield car bomb used by the Ba'ath regime on their own people in a ploy to make the useful idiots of the western world blame the evil zionists for it.

Congratulations. You took the bait. Now, I have a bridge to sell you.

I am not even going to bother reading the link as its from Saddam Helen

But I will cut and paste this news report, which, of course, is "complete fabrication" according to Helen and is issued by the lying coalition propaganda agency L.I.A.R.S. (Look Its Another Rocket Saddam)

Confusion has arisen over the cause of two explosions that reportedly killed up to 15 civilians and injured 30 others in a market in the north of Baghdad. Initially a Central Command spokesman in Qatar said Coalition aircraft had been targeting Iraqi missiles and launchers in a residential area of Baghdad at around the time of the explosions. The missiles were positioned less than 300ft from homes when they were targeted, he said.

"Coalition aircraft used precision guided weapons to target nine Iraqi surface-to-surface missiles and launchers in Baghdad," the spokesman said. "Military targets, such as the missiles and launchers placed in Baghdad, are a threat to coalition military forces and will be attacked."

But later, a US official speaking during a Pentagon press conference insisted Coalition jets and cruise missiles had not been fired on any targets in the area. He said an alternative explanation for the explosions could be that Iraqi anti-aircraft shells or surface-to-air missiles had been mis-fired and landed in the market.

"We not know for a fact whether it was a US or Iraqi missile," he said, adding that the matter was under investigation.

Speaking from Baghdad shortly after the explosion, Sky News correspondent David Chater said two missiles appeared to have gone astray in "terrible" weather conditions and hit the market and an apartment block.

Originally posted by wet1
Strange that you should miss the other half where it was reported that captured POW's were shot by the Iraqis', Helen.

A bit one sided wouldn't you say?

Of course, things could be different soon. At a recently captured hospital, Iraqi military uniforms were found where the soldiers had changed to civilian clothes to fight. It was also reported that chemical suits and gas masks were found in a hospital. Also with that were found injectors of Anthropine. Anthropine is used as a counter to nerve agents. This can only indicate the planning of releasing chemical agents. Strange thing to give to your troops if you have no WMD isn't it?




I don't know how you can equate the bombing of civilians with the execution of a few soldiers WHO ARE INVADING THEIR COUNTRY.

By the way, how can you or anyone fault the Iraqis not only for using tactics like being dressed as civilians, but also using chemical weapons (which everyone knows they have)?

WE ARE INVADING THEIR COUNTRY. I expect them to use any & all means to fight for their country. I would do the same if I was them.

Tell me wet1, what tactics/weapons would you NOT employ to fight off an invasion of a military force that you had no chance beating in conventional fight?

That is how we won our independence from the UK; we "played dirty" by fighting from behind tress, etc. Fuck 'em.

RMC

WE ARE INVADING THEIR COUNTRY. I expect them to use any & all means to fight for their country. I would do the same if I was them.

So one hand you bash your government and your country and on the other you’re ready to pick up arms in its defense. Stand in place and spin around – it’s not as dizzying.

And of course, you are not they and have no idea what they think and how they feel. Most likely you would hide under a table.

I dont blame them for fighting back. That is their right but they should never 1) violate the geneva convention or 2) attack their own harmless civilians. They did both.

We dont aim for civilians but its a little hard when they stock ammo, weapons, and a buttload of soldiers in the middle of a hospital. If we were aiming for civilians we would carpet-bomb baghdad or just drop a handful of daisycutter. If we tried there would be casualties in the hundreds of thousands, not hundreds.

Originally posted by (Q)
Helen

Weren't you that woman who was reported laughing and dancing in the streets when the WTC fell?

First, I am not Muslim, I am Christian Arab.

Second, I never supported the killings of any innocents, but the American record in war crimes and state terrorism is very very colourful:

http://www.americanstateterrorism.com/graphics1/AmericaNaziFlag.gif

http://www.americanstateterrorism.com

P.S: please dont forget the sign the pledge: Thousands around the world have signed already:

http://www.adbusters.org/campaigns/boycott_america/pledge.php

Originally posted by Clockwood
I dont blame them for fighting back. That is their right but they should never 1) violate the geneva convention or 2) attack their own harmless civilians. They did both.


PATHETIC AMERICANS, you are the last people on earth to speak about Geneva convention, the world never forget your treatment of the Afghani POWs.

I really wish the Iraqis will dress your POWs in light orange cloth, tide their hands and their feet, shut their mouthes with lastics and put them in animal cages under the sun of Arabia to be rotten exactly as you are doing right now to the afghani POWS.

invading other country is already a breach of all INTERNATIONAL LAWS.

Dirty Americans.

http://www.americanstateterrorism.com/graphics1/AmericaNaziFlag.gif

Originally posted by Helen
BAGHDAD (Reuters) - At least 15 scorched corpses littered a poor residential street in Baghdad on Wednesday after U.S. bomb and missile strikes intensified on the city, Reuters witnesses said.

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=2451040

sorry...i have to say, apparently this was an iraq'i ground to air misile, that back fired, i dont expect helen to belive me because she is arrogant but this is what intelegance says. :rolleyes:

Mmm.......................... Maverick did you mean intelligence? (on the subject of ignorance)

This at first was the iraqis are firing on their own people to stop a rebellion.
The there wasnt a rebellion but an Iraqi missile backfired.
This morning the US admited it was one of thier bombs gone astray.
More lies and propoganda to make the public turn against the "Evil regeim"

Originally posted by Tigs
Mmm.......................... Maverick did you mean intelligence? (on the subject of ignorance)

wtf are you talking about? my spelling isnt the issue here :s

and before, you even try and defend helen in any way, i want you to read her previose threads.thanks.mav.

As for carpet bombing already those in the whitehouse have exxpressed their disgust this is taking so long and not going as they though and god forbid we lost a few soldiers so they are already hinting that they are going to stop being so accurate as "Trying to avoid civillian casualties is costing american lives and this is not acceptable"
As for Daisy cutters your right, your not dropping them.
Your dropping the same type of bomb but thats twices as powerful.
Air bust bombs are not "Preciision" bombs and yet you are using them in their dozens of civillian cities.

If when you hit Bagdhad you do start taking major casualties from heavy resistnace and street fighting so they turn around and take up their threat to "Use nukes if american soldiers start to take unacceptable losses" what will you say then?

Have any of you experienced WAR first hand? Perhaps we should all fly to Iraq assume the identity of a civilian perhaps a nomad who probably dosent have a TV just a herd of sheep - imagine flying rockets, tanks strange men dressed in combat clothing wandering through your grazing pastures or perhaps become a marine for the day then come back and have a further conversation. We can all sit here in the saftey of our homes (yeah yeah thanks to George and Tony) and see what it really feels like.

Originally posted by RMC
I don't know how you can equate the bombing of civilians with the execution of a few soldiers WHO ARE INVADING THEIR COUNTRY.

By the way, how can you or anyone fault the Iraqis not only for using tactics like being dressed as civilians, but also using chemical weapons (which everyone knows they have)?

WE ARE INVADING THEIR COUNTRY. I expect them to use any & all means to fight for their country. I would do the same if I was them.

Tell me wet1, what tactics/weapons would you NOT employ to fight off an invasion of a military force that you had no chance beating in conventional fight?

That is how we won our independence from the UK; we "played dirty" by fighting from behind tress, etc.


1. You amaze me - you are DEFENDING executions of POWs!!!!

2. Soldiers fighting in civilian clothes is against Geneva Convention.

3. The use of chemical weapons by Iraq gives the Allies all the excuse they need as it is one of the predominant reasons for us going in there!

Wet1: I know all about Atropine - I am allergic to it!!! Gives my muscles overtime in spasms!

Originally posted by Helen
PATHETIC AMERICANS, you are the last people on earth to speak about Geneva convention, the world never forget your treatment of the Afghani POWs.


Terrorists are not pow's

Originally posted by Bachus
Terrorists are not pow's

I am in total agreement. Plus, these terrorists being held by the USA are not Afghani either as far as I know.

Are there any laws, made-in-USA, International or otherwise that dictates the way, form or shape in which a nation must defend it self against an Invasion??

You see, most laws are directed to Wars between two or more countries, but hardly any touches the topic of conditions under a self-defense scenario.

Hell! If I had to defend my self against a gorilla, I would not only insult his mother, his cousins, his girlfriend, his birthplace, his family and his car. I would kick his balls, spit in his ear and pot his eyes with my fingers.
:p

Originally posted by Microzoft
Are there any laws, made-in-USA, International or otherwise that dictates the way, form or shape in which a nation must defend it self against an Invasion??

You see, most laws are directed to Wars between two or more countries, but hardly any touches the topic of conditions under a self-defense scenario.

Hell! If I had to defend my self against a gorilla, I would not only insult his mother, his cousins, his girlfriend, his birthplace, his family and his car. I would kick his balls, spit in his ear and pot his eyes with my fingers.
:p

The difference here is that the Gorilla did not sign the Geneva Convention - the Iraqi's DID!!!

^^ That's the truth.

Originally posted by Helen
PATHETIC AMERICANS, you are the last people on earth to speak about Geneva convention, the world never forget your treatment of the Afghani POWs.
You don't know anything about the Geneva Conventions do you? (Yes, it's plural, and saying "Convention" only illuminates your own ignorance)

The Geneva Conventions only require compliance between signatories. The Taliban was not a signatory, therefore simply because the United States is, does not place the US in violation of the Conventions.

You clearly have no idea what you speak of in your frothing DURR HURR HURR AMERIKKKA IZ BADD tirade. It would behoove you to educate yourself before posting and making yourself look like an idiot.

Originally posted by Bachus
Terrorists are not pow's

indeed, and this is why the Americans POWS in iraq should not be covered under the Geneva convention simply because they are TERRORISTS.

http://www.theodora.com/flags/new/usa_burn.jpg

huh? No they are soldiers not terrorists


(strangely enough after reading helen's post i might become a fanatic anti muslem ;) )

Originally posted by Bachus
huh? No they are soldiers not terrorists


(strangely enough after reading helen's post i might become a fanatic anti muslem ;) )

You must take into account that Helen's posts do not reflect reality nor commonsense, therefore should be taken in their true context - rubbish.

Originally posted by Red Devil
You must take into account that Helen's posts do not reflect reality nor commonsense, therefore should be taken in their true context - rubbish.

I know, i was just trying to warn here that her idiotic talk might be more harmfull then helpfull

Originally posted by Red Devil
The difference here is that the Gorilla did not sign the Geneva Convention - the Iraqi's DID!!! Yes! But I’m not talking about who sign this or who sign that, am I?
READ AGAIN and if you have nothing to say, don’t feel so bad about it, OK!
:rolleyes:

Originally posted by Bachus
I know, i was just trying to warn here that her idiotic talk might be more harmfull then helpfull

Yes and yes! :D

U.S.: Baghdad market hit by Iraqi missile!
Today at a press briefing from the headquarters in Doha, Qatar, Brig. Gen. Vincent Brooks reitterated there was no coalition air mission in the area and said the current line of thinking is the missile was an Iraqi weapon.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=31750

On camera, the general feeling among the crowd was sorrow at losing Saddam. Off camera, the citizens of Umm Qasr and Basra appeared genuinely exhilarated at the prospect of a brighter future, after Saddam had been removed.

http://www.arabnews.com/Article.asp?ID=24366

just ban Helen. All her posts are in everyway bashing Americans.

just ban Helen. All her posts are in everyway bashing Americans.
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Why should a Canadian forum ban her because she bashes Americans?
I thought it was the land of the free?
;)

Originally posted by Bachus
huh? No they are soldiers not terrorists


(strangely enough after reading helen's post i might become a fanatic anti muslem ;) )

But I am not Muslim, I am christian arab.

:D

Originally posted by odin
U.S.: Baghdad market hit by Iraqi missile!
Today at a press briefing from the headquarters in Doha, Qatar, Brig. Gen. Vincent Brooks reitterated there was no coalition air mission in the area and said the current line of thinking is the missile was an Iraqi weapon.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=31750

worldnetdaily is very well KNOWN zionist website, its owner is in fact on the HATE WATCHERS LIST.

Originally posted by hiimwayne
just ban Helen. All her posts are in everyway bashing Americans.

And the Barbaric Americans keep claiming they stand for democrasy, human rights and freedom of speech !

America is really pathetic barbaric nation full of hypocrites.


http://www.theodora.com/flags/us-bx.gif

worldnetdaily is very well KNOWN zionist website,
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So that means there very good then,not Nazi after all.

<i>"New American Massacre In Iraq"</i>

Shit happens...more so when you are at war.

Originally posted by hiimwayne
just ban Helen. All her posts are in everyway bashing Americans.

I agree

So who is killing loads of Iraqi civilians then?

Outside Basra on Friday the fighting continued, with British troops trying to defend civilians trying to flee the city coming under fire from Iraqi militia forces.

Women and children were among those attacked with mortars and machine guns.

British forces spokesman Group Captain Al Lockwood said: "Paramilitary forces loyal to the regime followed them and commenced firing upon them.

"The Black Watch then attempted to intercept the paramilitaries by going round the civilians."

Chief of the General Staff General Sir Mike Jackson said irregular Iraqi forces were being "pinned down" and "dying in large numbers".

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2897327.stm