Could we get an intelligent discussion going about the nephilim? Specifically, what it says in the pre-Biblical texts is what I'm interested in finding out more about. This would be pre-deluge, I assume. I'm trying to learn more about the pre-deluge era and about Noah. Was Noah considered to be nephilim? Please, no Xians need reply. I'm looking for intelligent discussion only.

Originally posted by Medicine*Woman
Specifically, what it says in the pre-Biblical texts is what I'm interested in finding out more about. What pre-Biblical texts specifically?

Originally posted by ConsequentAtheist
What pre-Biblical texts specifically?

Like the Sumerian texts, for example. Are you familiar with any other pre-flood texts that would have info on nephilim?

Do you refer to the pseudepigrapha or the apocrypha? Or earlier? It seems that there is also a role-playing game called "Nephilim", so it's muddling a search on the net...

Originally posted by perfectblue
Do you refer to the pseudepigrapha or the apocrypha? Or earlier? It seems that there is also a role-playing game called "Nephilim", so it's muddling a search on the net...

I'm not familiar with the pseudepigrapha. Recently the pre-deluge books were mentioned. I think one was the Book of Enoch that I found interesting. I'm hoping to hear from our learned group about the nephilim. I'm not talking about some role-playing game.

I'm not familiar with the pseudepigrapha. Recently the pre-deluge books were mentioned. I think one was the Book of Enoch that I found interesting. I'm hoping to hear from our learned group about the nephilim. I'm not talking about some role-playing game.

The book of Enoch is pseudepigrapha. No one really thinks that Enoch wrote it.

Medicine Woman,

Pre-Biblical and Pre-Flood don't have to be the same thing. The flood wasn't the first story in the Bible.

But as far as Nephilim in pre-Biblical books goes...None that I know of.

But there is debate as to what the Nephilim were (In the Biblical stories, of course) Most Bibles change the word "Nephilim" to "Giants." But because of the uncertainty of this translation, some Bibles have left the word "Nephilim" in the text, untranslated.

Zackariah Sitchin, whom isn't the most credible scholar in the world, actually translated the word into "Those who have come down from above." The biggest problem in figuring out what exactly the Nephilim were supposed to be lies in thier parents.

They were said to be the offspring of the "Sons of God" and the "Daughters of Man."

But how could the Sons of God be human? The most famous Son of God is Jesus, and he was, as far as the Bible says, was God himself. And if the Sons and Daughters lineage is clearly divided by the "Man/God" monikers, then what, exactly, were the Sons of God?

Some say angels, some say deamons in human form, some say Nobles and Kings.

So, to answer your question, the problem with finding Nephilim in anything other than the Bible is the fact that we are no more clear as to what the Nephilim were than we were when we first began translating the texts.

JD

Read this about that rather fascinating story. I would love to believe it so much that Im almost willing to compromise facts but thats not a very healthy way to live.

http://skepdic.com/sitchin.html

http://www.facadenovel.com/sitchinerrors.htm

etc

Have fun and don´t cry

Hey Medicine Woman, I am posting some links that you may find of interest. The first set of links are to the Book of Enoch, there are several versions, the Book of Giants, and Enoch and the Watchers. There is also a link to a forum I read regularly where giants, ancient mysteries, etc. are heavily discussed, I recommend it.

General forum:

http://pub69.ezboard.com/bancientlosttreasures

Giant specific forum:

http://pub69.ezboard.com/fancientlosttreasuresfrm16

Everyone is very friendly on the forum, and if you post a question there, they will probably fall all over themselves to answer you. Very respectful, sometimes one guy gets picked on in fun, you will see why. I post under truth there also.

I recommend starting with this link for a short history on the Book of Enoch for some background:

http://apoc.faithweb.com/pseudo/enochs2.htm

then the various versions:

http://apoc.faithweb.com/pseudo/enoch.htm

http://apoc.faithweb.com/pseudo/enoch1.htm

http://apoc.faithweb.com/pseudo/enoch1b.htm

This link is to a copy of the Book of Giants fragment found with the Dead Sea Scrolls:

http://apoc.faithweb.com/dsea/012.htm

This link is to Enoch and the Watchers:

http://apoc.faithweb.com/dsea/014.htm

This last link is a discussion on the ancients/giants by LDS (Mormon) scholar Hugh Nibley. It is a very interesting read, remember though, .it is strictly his own opinion and not the view of the Church and not endorsed by the Church in any way That said the article is an easy read compared to most of his writings concerning Egyptology, which I frankly get lost in, and I am fairly well educated and studied.

http://farms.byu.edu/display.php?id=75&table=transcripts

Originally posted by truth
Hey Medicine Woman, I am posting some links that you may find of interest. You two truly deserve each other! :D

As I understand it most people interpret Nephilim to be descendants angels, demons, some sort of aliens, or kings. Biblically Noah was none of those, so I guess using those definitions we would have to say "no" Noah wasn't Nephilim. If there are other definitions, I guess apply those as need be.

a discussion came up about the giants in an earlier thread- and it was very interesting. the way i see it, the old legends could be quite true- that people worshipped these heavenly beings etc and they made their marks on the people of the earth. no way does that interfere with the truth of the gospel, but just re-affirms it. bless u- u a trier:D

THe Nephilim were the sons of Angels and Humans. According to the book of Enoch, Shemyza brought around 200-400 angels and supposedly reproduced with Humans (even animals) and their offspring were supposedly Giants. Further in the book of Enoch, it mentions that the Giants slew men and spread great havoc and was one of the principle causes for the flood. One of them also taught men how to forge weapons of iron. It is further said that the giants were warned of a great flood but didnt heed the warnings to repent.

This all came from the dead sea scrolls.

nice, agent smith

Sitchin did put an equalsign between nefilim and anunaki.

an = sky, heaven
ki = earth, ground

anunaki = heaven - something - ground.

nefilim = heaven fallen ground something


In case you didnt know, anunaki is main characters in the sumerian mythology. They are not the gods, but something inbetween i think

well, medicine woman- just shows the power, or importance, of the bible, in any equation
shalom

Sitchin did put an equalsign between nefilim and anunaki

Sitchin is an idiot. I've seen UFOs, and I believe that aliens have visited us, but there is no way, given the evidence (More like lack thereof) that we are in any way alien offspring.

And Firingseeds,

well, medicine woman- just shows the power, or importance, of the bible, in any equation

What shows the power or importance of the Bible? In what equation?

JD

okay dont laugh at me but i believe that all those ufo sightings and perhaps abductions are actually the work of demons.

why not the other way around?

All the old talk of demons was actually aliens?

I find it more probable that aliens exist than demons.

I find it interesting that both, Genesis and the Greek mythology refer to gods having a sexual relationship with humans (Nephilim and heroes, respectively).

because the myths are all conected and spring for some few original sources. Find them!

the bible brings legitimacy/reality to any discussion/situation; and where there is wisdom there is the breath of life. one day u may distinguish between dead works and living works, dead words and living words.

Hey Firingseeds. Long time no see.

the bible brings legitimacy/reality to any discussion/situation;

Nonsense. What the Bible offers in discussion is a reference point for those who question it's validity to question the believers themselves. What it offers in any given situation is another matter; depending on your intentions, the Bible can offer hope and happiness or hatred and fear. It's all how you read it, and who's doing the reading.

But as far as bringing legitimacy or reality, I don't know how you draw that conclusion. It brings discussion to reality, at least. Maybe you should tone down your conditioned responses, and open your eyes.

and where there is wisdom there is the breath of life.

Now you're a philosopher, I see. You could apply that sentance to anything in life.

one day u may distinguish between dead works and living works, dead words and living words.

Ok, first of all, it's obvious your words are not origional at all. You read or heard that somewhere and now pass it along as your own. And it's utter nonsense. You would have made just as much sense if you had said "Mustoucher Nonyack Muhlinka Mukhail." becuase I have no idea what the FUNK you're talking about. Do you even know what you're talking about?

And why must all Christians speak so cryptically? Could it be becuase they don't understand their own religion?

JD

settle down :)

no need to kill a poetic spirit

hahahah- u made me laugh, jdawg. without the bible as a reference point, all religious talk would be just mumbo-jumbo. as least we have a point to relate to, and relate from. don't fool yourself. u are a spirit beneath those 5 senses, and living words are like compost to a garden, or water to a tree. if your soul gets fed- beneath that thick skin- then so be it.
not all bible-bashers are sons of god, nor are all pagans sons of the dark one- handles and descriptions are for human definement.
jesus is the mighty teachings:D
cheers- nice to seeya.

hahahah- u made me laugh, jdawg.

Good to know, Seeds. At least this isn't going to be a bash-fest. I like you, you like me, let's have a fun, non-heated discussion about this! :)

without the bible as a reference point, all religious talk would be just mumbo-jumbo.

Uh, wrong. Without the Bible, the religious discussions would be about some other book inspired by God or some other God. Religion, in my belief, is a very natural occurance in evolution. If another speicies anywhere on this planet or any other reaches (or has reached) our level of intelligence, I cannot imagine how they would not at least have worshiped a god at some point. It's the Alpha-Male idea at work. A lot of speicies on the planet have a dominant male in the family, and we're no different. With the obvious exception that we are of a higher intelligence level, so our Alpha Male must be The Creator.

u are a spirit beneath those 5 senses, and living words are like compost to a garden, or water to a tree.

I can't tell you how many times I've heard that in my life. Let me tell you a little about myself and my beliefs...

My parents are relgious, especially my mother. Growing up, I attended a Catholic School, and before that I attended church functions, and was an Altar Boy for a few years. The whole time I had connections with my church, I heard the stories of the Bible, and had mixed opinions on them, but never really gave the idea of God existing much concious thought.

I just never really had an opinion one way or the other.

But when I grew up a little, I realized that despite not really NOT believing in God, I never really believed. So I guess you could say that the disbelief came naturally. Despite all the Bible studies, all the Sundays at Church, all the classes, all the time spent under the supposedly watchful eye of our Lord, I never believed he existed. And the most suprising aspect of it all was that I had never heard any arguments against his existance!

So how do you explain that? I recieved the "Living Words" my entire life, yet I never found them as water to my tree, nor food for my soul. I wasn't tainted; it was quite the opposite. My parents frequented church and spend hours in front of the TV whenever Benny Hinn or some other televangelist was on. (I happen to like Creflo Dollar)

if your soul gets fed- beneath that thick skin- then so be it.

Again, my skin is not thick to the idea of a God. I was nurtured into this world under the auspicies of a God existing, and never heard otherwise until I was into my teens. And there were no bad experiences with religion, either. I didn't mind Church, and I didn't mind a Catholic School. I enjoyed studying the Bible, but never bought into it. And it's not like I gave it much thought, either.

not all bible-bashers are sons of god, nor are all pagans sons of the dark one- handles and descriptions are for human definement.

So now The Dark One has children? Man, you guys just make stuff up as you go along, don't you? I wish I could live to see the Next Testament when it's added to the Bible in a thousand years.

jesus is the mighty teachings
cheers- nice to seeya.

Ohhh, boy. You've got a lot to learn.
Good to see you too, Firingseeds.

JD

well, dawg-boy, i suppose i may have over-juiced my discourse somewhat slightly ( 'seeing it all broken down like so' ) but it was mainly only for impact... who's perfect? i can relate to what ya' saying- tho me growing up was somewhat different, me feigning to pretend that i didn't want to believe in jesus ( i naturally believed in god); but, really, deep-down, i was deliberately disobeying a natural truth. i knew it. ( i never even had a seed of doubt- i knew! )
....so, this admission, keeps me on my toes,
the point to my story relates to something akin to repentence. if u have no shame in your life, then u wouldn't understand....which, in a sense, is a real blessing. and this natural goodness on your part, no way makes u any less, or any more, or me any less, or any more, than one of god's creatures.
one thing i try not to do is tell people how to lead their lives. seeya

http://www.andrewcollins.com/page/articles/ashes/ashespreview.html

Do you find this interesting or is it complete crap?

Robban,

Oh...My...God.

That article was simply incredible. What a great read. He doesn't take any great leaps, nor does he fail to list evidences in many circumstances. To be completely honest, that changes my view on human history completely.

JD

:cool: I am the master of digging up articles that noone else seem to have found that completely changes the history... hehe

No doubt, Roban. That dude really knew his stuff. Can you imagine, though? What if he's right? That we're at least as old as the end of the first Ice Age?

If this dude could reach this conclusion, why can't popular science? It pisses me off, becuase it's like we're not even looking.

JDizzle

Originally posted by Robban
:cool: I am the master of digging up articles that noone else seem to have found that completely changes the history... hehe

Robban, I am currently reading this book, and I absolutely cannot put it down! I was especially fascinated by the description of Noah at birth! Recently, I posted that Sumerian texts should be a prerequisite to reading the Bible. This book fills in the multitude of blanks in the Bible and discounts the rest of everything in it! I recommend reading this book to glean the pre-history of the Bible. It's quite obvious that the sequence of events in the Pentateuch are not in the natural order of their occurrance. That's where the lies begin!

Originally posted by Medicine*Woman
Please, no Xians need reply. I'm looking for intelligent discussion only.

First of all Christians like to be referred to as C-H-R-I-S-T-I-A-N-S.
Not xians. I consider myself to be a Christian. Does that make
me less intelligent than you? I speak 5 languages, 4 of them i master. I have 12 years of school, and when i finnish my education ill have 18 years in my belt. What about you

Medecine....woman?
Sounds more like a diseace.

If youre interested in intelligent discussions then perhaps you should try starting one.


Stupid questions gives stupid answers.

Originally posted by Judas
First of all Christians like to be referred to as C-H-R-I-S-T-I-A-N-S.
Not xians. I consider myself to be a Christian. Does that make
me less intelligent than you? I speak 5 languages, 4 of them i master. I have 12 years of school, and when i finnish my education ill have 18 years in my belt. What about you

Medecine....woman?
Sounds more like a diseace.

If youre interested in intelligent discussions then perhaps you should try starting one.


Stupid questions gives stupid answers.

First of all, how do you know what "all Christians" want to be called? I'll call them whatever I like. Secondly, you're pretty damned stupid. Have you never heard of Xmas? The symbol X is an acceptable symbol for Jesus Christ according to the RCC. Furthermore, I don't care what languages you speak. You can't even spell correctly. Thirdly, if you had read the entirety of this thread, you would know that I started an intelligent discussion on nephilim. I do not care to hear what Xians have to say on the subject. I want to learn the truth, not the mind-control tactics of Xianity. Fourthly, Xianity doesn't teach about the nephilim. It's briefly mentioned in the OT.

As for my name, Medicine*Woman, you can think whatever you like, because your thoughts in 10,000 languages would not impress me. But, for your information, since you are lacking in common sense and any simulation of class, I am a licensed medical practitioner for more than 20 years now. I chose my name because in Native American legend, the Medicine Woman was not only a healer of the body but a spiritual healer as well.

I was a Xian for many years under the prevaricating influence of the RCC. It was not until I visited the Vatican and other Xian sites in Europe that I became aware of the massive lies and cover-ups and mind-control tactics of Xianity. Therefore, I do not care to hear the opinions of Xians as they are boringly redundant to my ears. The truth is not to be found among Xians. Xians are limited to the unintelligent boundaries of their false beliefs, and so, they have nothing to contribute to the pursuit of truth.

As far as you're concerned, I seriously hope English is not your first language. You're young, unlearned, and a prime example of what I find disgusting about your ignorant Xian peers.

yup, t'was nice read...conan lives!

med*wom: dont care to answer lame responses

Judas is as far as i know from norway and likes to watch cnn.

Sorry Judas, I couldnt help it

Leave it to a theist to ruin the thread.

JD

me couzzie-bro and uncle were nephilim:D

i have seen you inside an UFO yesterday.:D

Originally posted by Medicine*Woman
First of all, how do you know what "all Christians" want to be called? I'll call them whatever I like. Secondly, you're pretty damned stupid. Have you never heard of Xmas? The symbol X is an acceptable symbol for Jesus Christ according to the RCC. Furthermore, I don't care what languages you speak. You can't even spell correctly. Thirdly, if you had read the entirety of this thread, you would know that I started an intelligent discussion on nephilim. I do not care to hear what Xians have to say on the subject. I want to learn the truth, not the mind-control tactics of Xianity. Fourthly, Xianity doesn't teach about the nephilim. It's briefly mentioned in the OT.

As for my name, Medicine*Woman, you can think whatever you like, because your thoughts in 10,000 languages would not impress me. But, for your information, since you are lacking in common sense and any simulation of class, I am a licensed medical practitioner for more than 20 years now. I chose my name because in Native American legend, the Medicine Woman was not only a healer of the body but a spiritual healer as well.

I was a Xian for many years under the prevaricating influence of the RCC. It was not until I visited the Vatican and other Xian sites in Europe that I became aware of the massive lies and cover-ups and mind-control tactics of Xianity. Therefore, I do not care to hear the opinions of Xians as they are boringly redundant to my ears. The truth is not to be found among Xians. Xians are limited to the unintelligent boundaries of their false beliefs, and so, they have nothing to contribute to the pursuit of truth.

As far as you're concerned, I seriously hope English is not your first language. You're young, unlearned, and a prime example of what I find disgusting about your ignorant Xian peers.

Its funny, when you describe the things you hate about Christians
the description suits you perfectly. You are both arrogant and Ignorant. You expect me to take your serious when you open
with
"xians dont need to reply, i want intelligent answers"


?

So whench.......basically what you are saying that since im
Christian my brain is unable to process information?

I never go to church, so i guess that leaves out the part about me
suffering from evil mind controll techniques. Second of all, I mostly
keep my beliefs to myself. But whenever im confronted with stupid questions, i give stupid answers.
You ahve prooven to be intolerant, and it appers you have some sort of trauma involving religion. If so,thats unfortunate.
But please, try to keep your comments that are downgrading to yourself. You mention visiting the Vatican, im not sure if you
have noted but there are other "branches" of Christianity
than the type you just find there.I would advice you to educate yourself. And im not meaning academicly, but allow yourself
to evolve as a person.....as a human.I dont mean you need to "find God" either.You may parole with your
title as a "medic", but that dont impress me much. And thats
where you could learn something from a certain someone.
His message was that all man are equal. It doesnt matter
if you are a priest or a doctor, thief or a publican.
Something you obviously need to realise.

Originally posted by Judas
Its funny, when you describe the things you hate about Christians
the description suits you perfectly. You are both arrogant and Ignorant. You expect me to take your serious when you open
with
"xians dont need to reply, i want intelligent answers"

(First of all, the topic of this thread was NOT addressed to you or other Xians. You took it upon yourself to respond to something out of your league.)

So whench.......basically what you are saying that since im
Christian my brain is unable to process information?

(Since you claim to be a Xian, your belief system is already established, so there is no room to question or doubt what you already believe. That is why I did NOT want Xians to reply to this thread. I already know what you believe, and I was not seeking the redundant Xian blabbering.)

I never go to church, so i guess that leaves out the part about me
suffering from evil mind controll techniques.

(Whether or not you go to church, you claim to be Xian. Therefore, whether or not you go into a specific building, your mind-set has illogical boundaries, and you are not open to the truths that may lie outside those boundaries.)

Second of all, I mostly keep my beliefs to myself.

(As a Xian, this is the wisest thing to do. Everyone already knows the limitations of your beliefs and no one wants to here those redundant Xian programmed tape-recordings of your mind.)

But whenever im confronted with stupid questions, i give stupid answers.

(Reminder: I did NOT confront YOU with any question. Therefore, your stupid answers reflect your limited spiritual capacity.)

You ahve prooven to be intolerant, and it appers you have some sort of trauma involving religion. If so,thats unfortunate. But please, try to keep your comments that are downgrading to yourself. You mention visiting the Vatican, im not sure if you have noted but there are other "branches" of Christianity than the type you just find there.I would advice you to educate yourself. And im not meaning academicly, but allow yourself to evolve as a person.....as a human.I dont mean you need to "find God" either.You may parole with your
title as a "medic", but that dont impress me much. And thats where you could learn something from a certain someone. His message was that all man are equal. It doesnt matter if you are a priest or a doctor, thief or a publican. Something you obviously need to realise.

(I am intolerant of Xians because of their refusal to search beyond what they've been programmed to believe by their religion. Fortunately, I found out the truth about Xianity, so there was no "trauma" involved except for the emotional "trauma" I may have experienced when I realized Xianity was based on lies and I needed to completely sever my ties and disassociate with the facade of Xianity. I am well aware of the "branches" of Xianity, and I believe they are far more corrupt than the RCC because their dogmas have been filtered and refiltered through the ages. I've been there too before I became a Catholic. It was the fanatical Baptists that led me to the source of Xianity. I didn't want a weak-soup version of Xianity, I wanted the main course. I converted, I taught catechism for more years than I even care to admit. I was a strong member of my parish, and I had the opportunity to visit Lourdes, Fatima, St. Peter's and the Vatican, and some of the major cathedrals of Europe (i.e. Chartres, the Cathedral at Reims, Notre Dame in Paris, Cathedral at Koln, some Russian Orthodox chapels, some monasteries in Germany, to name a few). So I believe I have "educated" myself in Xianity. But the one thing missing in all of these places was the Spirit of the Creator God. I sensed such emptiness within these sacred places, and I set out to understand why. I was visiting all these holy shrines to become closer and have an intimate relationship with God, when right there all along, I found my Creator within me! I was searching for God in all the WRONG places! Once I realized this, I didn't need the RCC or it's Xians, and I did "evolve" spiritually. There is no middle-man. When you really find God, you won't need a middle-man either. I freed myself from the 'establishment' that came between me and my Creator.)

(I did not get my medical education to impress anyone. I got it because I love to heal people in both body and spirit. When teaching medical students, I tell them how easy medicine really is, and they look at me like I'm from another planet! But, I tell them that medicine is easy because there is really only one disease--loss of the soul. So, when they are examining their patients, sending them for lab work and a barrage of tests, to keep in mind that each patient who comes to them has only one disease--loss of the soul--and they MUST treat that first. This is the most important medicine of all. Therefore, I call myself Medicine*Woman, not because I heal the body, but because I search to heal the soul.)

(You mention that I need to "learn something from a certain someone." and I am assuming you mean X. You may be surprised to know that I am a staunch believer in what X taught. I just believe that his teachings were recorded hundreds of years after him, that they were filtered, too. Most likely, they were made up by Paul. This makes the whole facade of Xianity unbelievable to me. It wasn't X that committed any crime, it was Paul who commandeered the writing of the Gospels. My present search is to find out what X really said and go beyond what has been "taught" for 2000 years. Xians most of all don't know X or the truth of his teachings. Again, the middle-man got in the way. If we could just do away with the middle-man and his mythological book, we could come to know X in truth and intimacy. Therefore, I choose not to be Xian. But until the day middle-man of Xianity falls, and the hearts and minds of its followers are freed from their cages, we will not be equal in mind or spirit. X never wanted to be the center of a religion. Most certainly, X didn't claim to be a savior. X had some great teachings. It's unfortunate that X was turned into a mythological superhero who saves mankind. It's just a fantasy. Xianity has been the greatest story ever sold. If you really want to learn about the teachings of X, you will need to search publications beyond church records which are based on lies. Perhaps, this is what YOU and your fellow Xians need to realize. It's not too late to learn the truth.)

Me and my fellow Ixians?

You must realise that you cannot jugde people in a group.
you referr to the fundamental baptists, what about the fundamental muslims?
Are all muslims "bad" too? Then why didnt you say
that they should bother to reply either?


your opinions is something I respect, is it too much to ask that
you show some respect in return?

Btw, I still think you should realise that claiming Christians unable
to think and reason for themselves, is highly ignorant.

"Second of all, I mostly keep my beliefs to myself. But whenever im confronted with stupid questions, i give stupid answers."

It seems to me that you give stupid answers quite a lot - and now I finaly realise why. Its not because you want to show us your most inteligent side, but because you always seem to get studip question! Do I understand you correctly?

Originally posted by Robban
Do I understand you correctly?

No

Judas,

Let me ask you, dude...Have you contributed anything to this thread? Where is your opinion on this Nephilim matter? Oh, that's right, you haven't offered a damn thing other than incessant whining and bitching.

You are both arrogant and Ignorant. You expect me to take your serious when you open
with
"xians dont need to reply, i want intelligent answers"


This thread was both stimulating and fun before you jumped all over her. Now, this thread sucks. Tell me, was she wrong in her assumption that this thread would turn to shit the second one of you Xians joined the fray? The numbers don't lie, Judas.

So whench.......basically what you are saying that since im

Right. Let's get into name-calling now. Again, you do nothing but prove her correct.

you referr to the fundamental baptists, what about the fundamental muslims?
Are all muslims "bad" too? Then why didnt you say
that they should bother to reply either?

Because they don't spout (generally) the same amount of B.S. that your kind does. They don't ignore the facts here and just say "Ahh, all Satan's work." like you people do. Face it, you haven't added a single worthwhile piece of information or stimulating discussion to this thread. Not one shred.


your opinions is something I respect

No it isn't. Don't insult her intelligence by even head-faking at such a notion. You don't give two shits what she thinks, or what any of us think, and you've proven that by your mere presence in this discussion. If you did, you would have replied on-topic.

is it too much to ask that you show some respect in return?

To whom? You? For what? Dude, this was your first post in this thread:

First of all Christians like to be referred to as C-H-R-I-S-T-I-A-N-S.
Not xians. I consider myself to be a Christian. Does that make
me less intelligent than you? I speak 5 languages, 4 of them i master. I have 12 years of school, and when i finnish my education ill have 18 years in my belt. What about you

Medecine....woman?
Sounds more like a diseace.

If youre interested in intelligent discussions then perhaps you should try starting one.


We should show some respect for this? Dude, you should be banned from the board for that!

Btw, I still think you should realise that claiming Christians unable

If you were as intelligent as you claim, you'd know what she meant when she said she was looking for intelligent discussion. Think about it, Judas...is your faith questionable? Did you use reason in deciding that your lord and saviour was Jesus Christ? Are you willing to sit back and take an objective look at the origins of mankind and it's purported creator?

Did you even read the article linked on this thread?

Point is, Christians never seem to objectively look at a subject, nor do they view the words through anything but their tainted eyes. They have conditioned responses, they use quotes from the Bible to argue their claims, and hardly if ever do they even look at evidences against them.

Like this thread, for example.

So if you're so damn intelligent, and able to think freely and reason, please, offer your objective, un-skewed opinion on From the Ashes of Angels.

JD

HHmm, Andrew collins. Anyone read "Uriels Machine" by Christopher Knight and Robert Lomas, which postulates that Enochs visit to god was in Ireland, and that they have a good idea of how the neolithic yard was made up. They also talk about nephilim and an advanced race, as well as a comet impact in the Mediterranean in 3000 BC.

Originally posted by Judas
Me and my fellow Ixians?

You must realise that you cannot jugde people in a group.

(I am NOT judging anyone, because I really don't care what you believe. I'd be the first to defend your right to believe whatever it is you want to believe. All I'm saying is that Xianity has been proven to me to be a lie.)

you referr to the fundamental baptists, what about the fundamental muslims?

(I've had personally nauseating experiences with the Baptists. They, like most Xians, refuse to go beyond the limitations of what they've been told is real.)

Are all muslims "bad" too? Then why didnt you say that they should bother to reply either?

(I've only had good experiences with Muslims, and I work with lots of them. They know their stuff. They don't try to stuff their religion down your throat. They are peaceful people. I believe the Qur'an is more truthful than the Bible. Jihad means 'struggles.' All Muslims have a personal 'Jihad.' It's like when Xians say they have 'a cross to bear.' In fact, I want to learn more about Islam. They have the accurate knowledge about Jesus. It's obvious to me.)

your opinions is something I respect, is it too much to ask that
you show some respect in return?

(Like I said, I don't have anything against Xians personally. On this forum, however, the Xians just keep repeating themselves over and over and over again. They just can't delve a silly millimeter beyond what they've been programmed to say by their church. It's really difficult to have an intelligent discussion with people who limit themselves to the kind of knowledge they acquire.)

Btw, I still think you should realise that claiming Christians unable
to think and reason for themselves, is highly ignorant.

(See my previous statement. Xians' reasoning abilities are within the tight boundaries and limitations of their religious programming. They really believe what they've been told! They're afraid to look beyond their programming. They're stuck in a lie, but they don't believe it. That's how strong their programming is. They don't question out of fear, and I view this as a state of hopelessness.)

Originally posted by guthrie
HHmm, Andrew collins. Anyone read "Uriels Machine" by Christopher Knight and Robert Lomas, which postulates that Enochs visit to god was in Ireland, and that they have a good idea of how the neolithic yard was made up. They also talk about nephilim and an advanced race, as well as a comet impact in the Mediterranean in 3000 BC.

I have never heard about Andew Collins before, I just happened to find one article. Is it worth reading or is it crap. I guess he seeds some quite controversial theories...

I read Sitchin's books and was fascinated by the theory but couldnt grasp all his evidences and there are some flaws there.