View Full Version : Necklaces of Human Ears: manifest destiny


S.A.M.
01-11-08, 02:03 PM
Commissioned by Mexican authorities to hunt marauding Apaches, the company of ex-filibusters and convicts under the command of the psychopath John Glanton (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Joel_Glanton)quickly became intoxicated with gore. They began to exterminate local farmers as well as Indians, and when there were no innocents left to rape and slaughter, they turned upon themselves with shark-like fury.


Many readers have recoiled from the gruesome extremism of McCarthy's (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cormac_McCarthy) imagery: the roasted skulls of tortured captives, necklaces of human ears, an unspeakable tree of dead infants. Others have balked at his unpatriotic emphasis on the genocidal origins of the American West and the book's obvious allusion to search-and-destroy missions à la Vietnam.


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Recently a courageous hometown paper in rustbelt Ohio, the Toledo Blade, tore the wraps off an officially suppressed story of Vietnam-era exterminism that recapitulates "Blood Meridian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cormac_McCarthy)'' in the most ghastly and unbearable detail.

The reincarnation of Glanton's scalping party was an elite 45-man unit of the 101st Airborne Division known as Tiger Force.

The Blade's intricate reconstruction of its murderous march through the central highlands of Vietnam in summer and fall 1967 needs to be read in full, horrifying detail. Blade reporters interviewed more than 100 American veterans and Vietnamese survivors.

Tiger Force atrocities began with the torture and execution of prisoners in the field, then grew to the routine slaughter of unarmed farmers, elderly people, even small children. As one former sergeant told the Blade, "It didn't matter if they were civilians. If they weren't supposed to be in an area, we shot them. If they didn't understand fear, I taught it to them."

Very early, Tiger Force began scalping its victims (the scalps were dangled from the ends of M-16s) and cutting off their ears as souvenirs. One member, who would later behead an infant, wore the ears as a ghoulish necklace (just like the character Toadvine in "Blood Meridian''), while another mailed them home to his wife. Others kicked out the teeth of dead villagers for their gold fillings.

A former Tiger Force sergeant told reporters that he "killed so many civilians he lost count." The Blade estimates that innocent casualties were in the hundreds. Another veteran, a medic with the unit, recalled 150 unarmed civilians murdered in a single month.

Superior officers, especially the Glanton-like battalion commander Gerald Morse (or "Ghost Rider," as he fancied himself), sponsored the carnage. Orders were given to "shoot everything that moves," and Morse established a body- count quota of 327 (the numerical designation of the battalion) that Tiger Force enthusiastically filled with dead peasants and teenage girls.

Soldiers in other units who complained about these exterminations were ignored or warned to keep silent, while Tiger Force slackers were quickly transferred out. As with Glanton's gang, or, for that matter, Einsatzgruppen, the Nazi mobile extermination squads in the western Ukraine in 1941, atrocity created its own insatiable momentum. Eventually, nothing was unthinkable in the Song Ve Valley.

"A 13-year-old girl's throat was slashed after she was sexually assaulted,

and a young mother was shot to death after soldiers torched her hut. An unarmed teenager was shot in the back after a platoon sergeant ordered the youth to leave a village, and a baby was decapitated so that a soldier could remove a necklace."

Stories about the beheading of the baby spread so widely that the Army was finally forced to conduct a secret inquiry in 1971. The investigation lasted for almost five years and probed 30 alleged Tiger Force war crimes. Evidence was found to support the prosecution of at least 18 members of the platoon.

In the end, however, a half dozen of the most compromised veterans were allowed to resign from the Army, avoiding military indictment, and in 1975 the Pentagon quietly buried the entire investigation.

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As one veteran told the AP, "There was lieutenant screaming like a madman,

'fire on everything, kill 'em all.' . . . Kids, there was kids out there. It didn't matter what it was, 8 to 80, blind, crippled or crazy. They shot them all."

Another ex-soldier was haunted by the memory of a terrified child: "She came running toward us. You should have seen guys trying to kill that little girl. With machine guns."

A reluctant Pentagon inquiry into this Korean version of the Wounded Knee massacre acknowledged that there was a civilian toll but cited very low figures for the dead and then dismissed it as "an unfortunate tragedy inherent in war," despite overwhelming evidence of a deliberate U.S. policy of bombing and strafing refugee columns. "The Bridge at No Gun Ri'' (2001), by the three Pulitzer Prize-winning AP journalists, languishes at near 600,000 on the Amazon sales index.


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Likewise there has been little enduring outrage that Bob Kerrey reigns as president of New York City's once liberal New School University. In 2001, the former Navy SEAL and ex-senator from Nebraska was forced to concede, after years of lies, that the heroic engagement for which he received a Bronze Star in 1969 involved the massacre of a score of unarmed civilians, mainly women and children. "To describe it as an atrocity," he admitted, "is pretty close to being right."

The blue-collar ex-SEAL team member who revealed the truth about the killings at Than Phong under Kerrey's command was publicly excoriated as a drunk and traitor, while powerful Democrats, led by Sens. Max Cleland and John Kerry, both Vietnam veterans, circled the wagons to protect Kerrey from further investigation or possible prosecution. They argued that it was wrong to "blame the warrior instead of the war" and called for a "healing process."

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Why is such history suppressed?

Why is it not front page news? Heavily exposed in the media?

Doesn't history suppressed lead to history repeated?



Link:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2003/11/23/INGUL36QMH1.DTL

Orleander
01-11-08, 02:17 PM
It could be all over front pages of every paper in the world. It wouldn't change the vile nature of some people.
Why would we have war after war after war if just knowing about it kept it from happening?

draqon
01-11-08, 02:19 PM
well S.A.M you want to hear what you ask for. And since I support your USA is evil campaign, I will say it: because such media is against USA image.

S.A.M.
01-11-08, 02:20 PM
So why suppress it?

Why create a culture of complicity and silence?

S.A.M.
01-11-08, 02:21 PM
well S.A.M you want to hear what you ask for. And since I support your USA is evil campaign, I will say it: because such media is against USA image.

Its not a USA is evil campaign. It is "why are non-Americans treated as subhumans and massacred without accountability, then demonised - we are also humans" campaign:(

Orleander
01-11-08, 02:24 PM
Because conqurring armies are brutal to the people they conquer. Its part of the conquering.
Throughout history you will find it. Vlad the Impaler, Romans crucifying, nazi death camps, darfur, Mayan sacrifices, etc.

S.A.M.
01-11-08, 02:25 PM
And why do supposedly civilised people support such invasions and massacres?

Orleander
01-11-08, 02:29 PM
Because the military was a man's world. Politics was a man's world. Media was a man's world.

I know the men that killed an Iraqi family so that they could gang rape their young daughter are serving prison time.
I see it changing.

S.A.M.
01-11-08, 02:31 PM
Because the military was a man's world. Politics was a man's world. Media was a man's world.

I know the men that killed an Iraqi family so that they could gang rape their young daughter are serving prison time.


And the ones that shot 24 civilians in Haditha have been (mostly) let off.

And Abu Ghraib and Gitmo and gawdnoshowmany secret prison detainees still are spending years in detention without charge or trial


I actually think women are possible of far more cruelty.
I see it changing.
Depends on how far it is possible to cover up or obfuscate I think.
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Neildo
01-11-08, 02:33 PM
Morality; all a facade.

- N

S.A.M.
01-11-08, 02:35 PM
Is that true? Does anyone consider torture as acceptable and natural?

Historically, war and atrocities in war have been used to demonstrate strength, but what makes a man decapitate an infant (for instance) for a necklace?

Or this:

They began to exterminate local farmers as well as Indians, and when there were no innocents left to rape and slaughter, they turned upon themselves with shark-like fury.

What is the basis of such behaviour?

Orleander
01-11-08, 02:38 PM
Isn't that what happened in Nanking during WWII. Its like blood lust overtakes them.

S.A.M.
01-11-08, 02:40 PM
So you think its natural?

Orleander
01-11-08, 02:43 PM
sadly, yes. Haven't they done experiments on this? Some college kids became 'cops' whiel others were 'prisoners'. The 'cops' abused their powers.

S.A.M.
01-11-08, 03:01 PM
sadly, yes. Haven't they done experiments on this? Some college kids became 'cops' whiel others were 'prisoners'. The 'cops' abused their powers.

Do you have a link?

I read about one where authority was used to create torturers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment

I wonder if settings like the military where people are brainwashed into becoming unthinking automatons (ie follow rules of authority) are more conducive to increasing "blood lust"?

Maybe this should be moved to free thought?:confused:

mikenostic
01-11-08, 03:44 PM
Is that true? Does anyone consider torture as acceptable and natural?

Historically, war and atrocities in war have been used to demonstrate strength, but what makes a man decapitate an infant (for instance) for a necklace?
-insanity (I'm sure you know people who have lost their mind from being in combat. War/combat can really mess ones mind up beyond repair.
-revenge (maybe that baby was part of a family that killed a soldiers' platoon. Combine that with the insanity, and it's very feasible)
-intimidation (to destroy enemy morale and make them realize they were fighting a superior force)

In Vietnam, American soldiers were shot by children with guns. What the hell are the soldiers supposed to do when a 10 year old raises an AK at them? I would have ZERO problem filling that kid full of holes if he raised a weapon at me.
The NVA and viet cong would also send small children into the midst of American units with grenades and such. So in effect, the Vietnamese people were using their own children as suicide bombers. So, shit like that tends to desensitize American troops to civilian or childrens needs in that sense. I don't blame them one bit given the situation they were in.
Buffalo should back me up on this.
I'm not condoning this kind of behavior, just telling you reasons as to why they are caused.

Oh, and it's not like American soldiers had a choice on whether or not they got to go to Vietnam. The government of Vietnam ASKED the U.S. for its help. I guess by your logic we should have just told them to fuck off and solve their own problems, huh?


What is the basis of such behaviour?
See above response.

S.A.M.
01-11-08, 03:49 PM
Oh, and it's not like American soldiers had a choice on whether or not they got to go to Vietnam. The government of Vietnam ASKED the U.S. for its help. I guess by your logic we should have just told them to fuck off and solve their own problems, huh?

You mean the guy they put in power to replace the guy that was in power, to fight the guy they helped bring into power? :crazy:

How does a ten year old with a rifle (defending his own country, mind you) justify cutting off ears to make necklaces?

Orleander
01-11-08, 05:53 PM
Do you have a link?...

yep, found it. Reminds me a bit of what happened at Abu Ghraib.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment

The professor also wrote The Lucifer Effect: Understanding How Good People Turn Evil
http://www.lucifereffect.com/

You saw it in Germany during WWII. How normal average citizens turned on their Jewish neighbors. Ratted out their best friends who were hiding Jews.

desi
01-13-08, 12:53 AM
What a bunch of nonsense. If this were true it would have made every news show you ever heard of the moment the sources were confirmed.

S.A.M.
01-13-08, 02:22 AM
You mean like this?

As explained in a new book, Mission Rejected, the sight of U.S. troops kicking the heads of decapitated Iraqis around 'like a soccer ball' made Army soldier Joshua Key desert to Canada.

http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/36899/

How much media outrage did you see on this?

Captain Kremmen
01-13-08, 03:27 AM
Nothing to do with the country the soldiers come from.
War breeds atrocity.

People already screwed up are pushed over the edge into psychosis.

S.A.M.
01-13-08, 03:37 AM
Nothing to do with the country the soldiers come from.
War breeds atrocity.

People already screwed up are pushed over the edge into psychosis.

Why suppress it, then?

Why not discuss it, hold the people accountable for their atrocities?

What if its not an isolated phenomenon?

Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki lashed out at the American military on Thursday, denouncing what he characterized as habitual attacks by troops against Iraqi civilians.

In his comments, Mr. Maliki said violence against civilians had become a "daily phenomenon" by many troops in the American-led coalition who "do not respect the Iraqi people."

"They crush them with their vehicles and kill them just on suspicion," he said. "This is completely unacceptable."
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/02/world/middleeast/02iraq.html

Captain Kremmen
01-13-08, 03:50 AM
Why suppress it, then?

Why not discuss it, hold the people accountable for their atrocities?

What if its not an isolated phenomenon?


http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/02/world/middleeast/02iraq.html

How would they recruit people? By telling the truth?

Screwed up?
Join the army and we can make you completely insane.
Then, when you leave, you can become an alcoholic or a tramp.

Wouldn't work would it?

S.A.M.
01-13-08, 03:54 AM
How would they recruit people?

Screwed up?
Join the army and we can make you completely insane.
Then, when you leave, you can become an alcoholic or a tramp

Wouldn't work would it?

So ignoring torture helps because...?

e.g

What does this imply?

Carol J. Williams the Caribbean bureau chief for the Los Angeles Times, reported on June 18, 2006 that Captain John Edmundson, USN, the commander of the base hospital, had acknowledged a mass suicide bid took place in late 2003.[3][2] During a tour of the hospital Williams asked if there had ever been a time when all 48 of the hospitals beds had been in use. Edmundson replied, "Only during the mass-hanging incident."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_suicide_attempts

Why isn't this BIG NEWS?

Captain Kremmen
01-13-08, 04:10 AM
So ignoring torture helps because...?

e.g

What does this imply?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_suicide_attempts

Why isn't this BIG NEWS?


The current main news item in the UK is about a cabinet minister who made errors in his bookkeeping. First thing on the news, and discussed in detail.
Is that the most important thing in the world for us to know about?

Of course not.

Sometimes I wonder if the news is controlled, and that we are fed a diet of mental junk to keep us quiet..
But I must reject such thoughts. I wouldn't like to turn into a conspiracy theorist.

S.A.M.
01-13-08, 04:11 AM
The current main news item in the UK is about a cabinet minister who made errors in his bookkeeping. First thing on the news, and discussed in detail.
Is that the most important thing in the world for us to know about?

Of course not.

Sometimes I wonder if the news is controlled, and that we are fed a diet of mental junk to keep us quiet..
But I must reject such thoughts. I wouldn't like to turn into a conspiracy theorist.

No you wouldn't.

Twenty-three terror suspects tried to hang or strangle themselves during a weeklong protest orchestrated in 2003 to disrupt operations and unnerve new guards at the U.S. military camp at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, the U.S. military said Monday.

The coordinated attempts were among 350 "self-harm" incidents that year, including 120 so-called "hanging gestures," at the secretive prison that opened after the Sept. 11 attacks, according to Lt. Col. Leon Sumpter, a spokesman for the detention mission.

In the Aug. 18-26, 2003, protest, nearly two dozen prisoners tried to hang or strangle themselves with clothing and other items in their cells, demonstrating "self-injurious behavior," the U.S. Southern Command in Miami said in a statement. Ten detainees made a mass attempt on Aug. 22 alone.

Last year, there were 110 self-harm incidents, Sumpter said.
How dare they? :bugeye: