National Apology

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  1. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    Kevin Rudd and the parliment has finally undone the policy of the Howard goverment

    This thread is to discuss the apology to the stolen generation that was given in the federal parliment today

    This is the text of the motion passed in parliment today

    This artical is on his speach and has a video of the speach being given. My feeling is that his speach should go straight into the greatest political speaches thread. It was well written and sincerly given

    However Brendon Nelsons speach was a national discrace. It would have been better if he had stoped at "we the oposition surport this motion"
     
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  3. Spud Emperor solanaceous common tater Registered Senior Member

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    Asguard,
    I saw most of it on the telly,
    It was very moving, spine tingling even.
    I agree it will be viewed as one of the great speeches.It was sincere and brave in lots of ways and showed that pollies can actually lead by example; it showed the kind of leadership which has been lacking for a long time.

    I thought Brendan Nelson was caught between a rock and a hard place in that he still felt the legacy of Howard and had to justify party position held for so long. His speech also had real empathy at times and following Rudd was a hard act to follow.

    Some of the anecdotal quoting of the stolen gen. was heart wrenching.
     
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  5. Bells Staff Member

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    Heh! I have to ask myself.. 'What in the hell was he thinking?!?'.. when he veered off topic and attempted to tow Howard's party line..

    Especially when he said no one of this generation should feel guilt..

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    Does the man not realise a lot of those who removed the children and others who firmly supported the policy are still alive and should be feeling guilt?
     
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  7. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    I lissioned to it on the radio, actually i split my time between News radio (which is the parliments offical broudcast station) and ABC local because they had all the extra stuff (though the actual speach was harder to hear on it because it was an ecoh from the TV screens

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    I have to agree with you there bells
    Actually i think i will wait a few weeks before talking to one of my grandmothers because i know the racist atitude that she has towards aborigionals (and asians ect). Its rather sad

    Apart from the topic i think this would be the most watched session of parliment and even that is a good thing. That school kids and everyone get involved in the prossess of parliment. That is compleatly apart from the topic but worth noting as well

    I hope they do go the step further and make today a public holiday, actually i would love to see Australia day moved to today

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  8. Bells Staff Member

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    I have to agree with Spud. Nelson was caught between a rock and a hard place. And looking at the Liberal's side of the house and to see many empty seats, the man must be having a hard time trying to please both sides of his party. But he should not have said some of the things he said. It seemed to try to appease those who found the policy acceptable. Excusing their actions in such a way should not have been part of the 'apology'. Instead, it detracted the true meaning of it.

    Now regarding those empty seats. Maybe Chris Pearce and Wilson Tuckey should have just stayed home. Tuckey left immediately after the morning prayer, and Pearce.. well..

    Unbelievable.
     
  9. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    i am waiting to see what christpher pine says. Apart from being a libral MP who is always on abc local here he is also the shadow indigious afairs minister and seems to be highly surportive of the motion. The other person i would love to hear from is Turnball who lost the leadership over his surport of this very issue

    I loved how Rudd has traped the oposition over this issue. He said a few days ago that if one member votes against the motion it would be imideatly removed from the floor and would become a goverment and labor party apology and on the opersitions head be the results. Apart from being the right thing to do he neatly stiched up the oposition so they had no choice BUT to suport it. If they didnt they could well have pissed away any chance of winning goverment in the forseeable future. In spite of that however it would have been better to NOT speak than to speak as he did. Yes Rudd was a hard act to follow and any speach after that one would have been overshadowed (on a side note its easy to see why Rudd reached so high up the ladder in the forign affairs department, he is a great speaker) but he would have been better not going off into the world wars as he did (this is where most aborigionals walked out) or praising the church groups who housed the kids. This was a HUGE mestake, it may have pleased his own party but it pissed off most of the people watching the speach. This mestake was made larger because we arnt talking about an unknown motion of parlment but probably the most watched motion ever. The journilists are already critising him and i can just imagin the articals and cartoons that are going to apear in tomorows papers. I wonder if this will end his leadership, its already rocky and he wont have satisfide people on EITHER side of the debate in this. Im glad that Rudd kept the National party from speaking on this, god only knows what we would have had if he hadnt. If he hadnt or he had withdrawn the motion we could well have had blood on the streets today.


    Oh by the way if you think that there were a few empty seats in the house you should have seen the senate. Most of the oposition benches were empty when they were moving the same motion. If this was because commities were in sesion that was poor organisation because i doubt it will go unnoticed by those who this was aimed at.
     
  10. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    Bloody hell, if Nelsons speach was bad Sentor Boswells (i think) was even worse. He bloody THANKED the churches
    Jesus christ dont people get it???????????

    Natasha's speach was brillant

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    Not quite as good as Rudds but quite good nether the less
     
  11. Challenger78 Valued Senior Member

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    Took us long enough.
     
  12. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    I agree although im VERY angry at the Libral party at the moment. It was a bloody good idea to keep there mouths shut in the House because they are doing there best to undermine it in the senate right now

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    God im sick of the libals and nationals they are a usless party. You know that every parliment now has apologised over this and they have all been under the control of the Labor party when they did it. This maybe a coincidence but i doubt it somehow
     
  13. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    For those who didnt see it (and those from other countries) here are the two speaches from Hansard


     
  14. Challenger78 Valued Senior Member

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    Heh, they were probably just jealous that Labour got the limelight.
     
  15. draqon Banned Banned

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    Kevin Rudd...identifying a national scapegoat Mr. Howard
     
  16. Spud Emperor solanaceous common tater Registered Senior Member

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    No he was just a goat.
     
  17. draqon Banned Banned

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    your just proving what I said.

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  18. Spud Emperor solanaceous common tater Registered Senior Member

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    Well let's just say I never voted for him.
     
  19. draqon Banned Banned

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    omg...a local Australian "American Bush" scenario

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  20. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    Howard will get very little sympathy on this issue here dragon

    Chalanger they had 11 years to take the spotlight as state parliment after state parliment took this action. The brining them home report was commisioned by Ketting but it was delivered to Howard. If his party didnt like his stance they should have kicked him out of the job 3 years ago but they chose not to. So they should sit quitly and take there spanking on this because they made the choice and the labor party took the initive even from oposition. Why sabotase something that has wide spread suport to please a few when it is going to hurt there own chances in the future. I think the Libral party is imploding and it will be interesting to see what sort of future our politics has. Either the libs revitalise themselves realising that Australia will no longer surport the far right, we end up with a one party parlimentry system or we end up with a compleatly new party. It will be facinating to see what comes next
     
  21. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    Oh dragon, the simulatrity is quite aproprate. Howard was more interested in following Bush than lissioning to the country and in the end he stoped lissioning even to his own party. Thats probably what cost him the election in the end that he wouldnt back down on higly unpopular policies even when his back benchers were screaming at him that they would lose there seats if he didnt
     
  22. Challenger78 Valued Senior Member

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    Maybe they thought that they had nothing to lose. I'm wondering how long this govt will last, hopefully long enough to see a lowering of uni fees.
    Although education has become a business, I really don't think it should be.
     
  23. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    why do you think they wont last more than one term?

    I think the librals will implode soon

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    so i doubt they will take the reins at a federal level for a long time. Its at a state level im worried, i like the fact that all the goverments are labor because that means they cant bullshit about eachother on health, education and water
     

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