NOW and other liberal groups pushing abortion rights would be proud of this Yale student :

A Yale "art" student artificially inseminated herself "as often as possible" while periodically taking abortifacient drugs to induce miscarriages. She even has video recordings of the blood and all to show her "art" work ! :eek:
http://www.yaledailynews.com/articles/view/24513

After all, it's "her right" to do what she wants with "her" body !

...this is wrong...

she needs to be taken care of in psychiatry

sick..........damn liberals

not sure if I believe it. She could have just used menstrual blood.
How did she artificially inseminate herself? Where did she get the sperm? What abortion drug did she use?

Yea....cause thats what liberals stand for. Man you guys are tools

After all, it's "her right" to do what she wants with "her" body !
I suspect that's the point she's trying to make.

But is it art?

Artificial insemination has a fairly low success rate even under carefully controlled circumstances.

No liberal wants as many abortions as possible. They should be legal and rare.

Then what next? Legalize murder? Because that is what abortion is, it's a sick and disgusting act that is destroying life, and in the end an innocent baby has to pay for the actions of an irresponsible and unprepared mother.

Yeah. Let's legalize murder too, because liberals don't care about anything.

Yeah. Let's legalize murder too, because liberals don't care about anything.

They certainly don't care about the preservation of common sense and morality!

They certainly don't care about the preservation of common sense and morality!

That means alot comming from you :bugeye:

That means alot comming from you :bugeye:

Coming from me? I believe heavily that morality needs to be preserved.

Coming from me? I believe heavily that morality needs to be preserved.

Yes, but that doesnt mean your version of morality isnt a warped one.

Yes, but that doesnt mean your version of morality isnt a warped one.

Therefore all morality can be considered warped, no morality is put into place, society crumbles, or there is a lack of common ground between the people.

I think her "project" is pretty sick, but it's not abortion. Even if abortion were illegal, it would not be illegal to take herbal substances that encourage miscarriage.

Therefore all morality can be considered warped, no morality is put into place, society crumbles, or there is a lack of common ground between the people.

What ? :bugeye:

What ? :bugeye:

What I am saying is, if morality is always entirely indivudally subjective, there is no longer an established morality, and therefore no established laws, no nation, no true society, and no real social order.

What I am saying is, if morality is always entirely indivudally subjective, there is no longer an established morality, and therefore no established laws, no nation, no true society, and no real social order.

Well morality has always been subjective..and somehow we are getting along just fine. :D

Well morality has always been subjective..and somehow we are getting along just fine. :D

No it hasn't, there's always been a standard throughout most of society objected by certain things, whether they be cultural, religious, national, etc, but there was always an accepted moral order. For instance, it's generally accepted that child rape is immoral, is it not?

Our laws are supposed to represent the morality of the average citizen, so it doesn't matter how those citizens arrive at their particular moral positions.

No it hasn't, there's always been a standard throughout most of society objected by certain things, whether they be cultural, religious, national, etc, but there was always an accepted moral order. For instance, it's generally accepted that child rape is immoral, is it not?

NAMBLA might disagree, lol. That's a sick group.

But back to abortion. What's society's view on that?

One thing I find ironic though, related to this subject; is many liberals I've met are hell-bent for abortion rights, yet at the same time against the death penalty for murderers (of innocent people).......:confused:
So it's "ok" to kill an innocent defenseless fetus that can't speak for itself, but "not ok" to kill a serial killer. Go figure.

One thing I find ironic though, related to this subject; is many liberals I've met are hell-bent for abortion rights, yet at the same time against the death penalty for murderers (of innocent people).......:confused:
So it's "ok" to kill an innocent defenseless fetus that can't speak for itself, but "not ok" to kill a serial killer. Go figure.

well a fetus meets the definition of a parisite

We're entirely consistent. We just like murder. We're big murder fans. Murder will always get our vote.

well a fetus meets the definition of a parisite

One that happens to develop into a human...:rolleyes:
Take a DNA sample of a human fetus, I bet you'll find that it's human DNA and not a kangaroos.....

Few people are against the death penalty for known killers, it's just not always possible to determine that with complete certainty. I feel abortions should also be avoided if at all possible. Sometimes avoiding killing is not possible, so that even if I disagree with the death penalty, I'm not a pacifist. I think there are good reasons to go to war, which inevitably kills innocent people.

Raising children is one of the most important things we can do, which is why I don't want someone raising a child that isn't prepared for it. Also, a foetus is no more developed than a lab rat, I don't consider it a life of it's own, but an aspect of it's mother's body, like a tumor. It is more humane to end the process while it's still in the beginning stages.

I find it ironic that Republicans are against abortion, but very pro-war.

Raising children is one of the most important things we can do, which is why I don't want someone raising a child that isn't prepared for it. Also, a foetus is no more developed than a lab rat, I don't consider it a life of it's own, but an aspect of it's mother's body, like a tumor. It is more humane to end the process while it's still in the beginning stages.

I find it ironic that Republicans are against abortion, but very pro-war.

LOL, a lab rat and tumor. Such a crude analogy.

For the most part about Republicans, you're right. But I don't think they go to war for "the fun of it", it's usually to help people under tyranny, like Europe under Hitler, Republicans supported Hitler's ousting, and Iraq under Hussein.
Yea, I know, I know, GWB "did it for the oil" :rolleyes:

Yeah, freedom ain't free [/waves flag]

Unbelievable! Just when I thought humans couldn't get any fucking lower. This bitch should be crucified!

Unbelievable! Just when I thought humans couldn't get any fucking lower. This bitch should be crucified!

Then she'd be a martyr for NOW and liberals.

What is NOW anyway???

What does NOW have to do with it???

What is NOW anyway???

Natl Organization for Women.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Organization_for_Women

A Yale "art" student artificially inseminated herself "as often as possible" while periodically taking abortifacient drugs to induce miscarriages

What actual proof do we have , other than what she tells us, that she did things? I'd say it sounds as if the press is being used or the press is embellishing her story to make it more sensational ....as always! :(

I knew it wasn't true. :rolleyes: I hate performance art.

Yale Officials Conclude Student's Shocking Claim of 'Abortion Art' Was 'Creative Fiction (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,351608,00.html)

Yale University officials issued a strongly worded statement Thursday night explaining that a student's shocking claim that she had artificially inseminated herself "as often as possible" and then took drugs to induce miscarriages for her senior art project was "creative fiction."

The student, Aliza Shvarts, told three senior Yale University officials, including two deans, that she did not do the things she claimed in her art project, according to the statement.

"The entire project is an art piece, a creative fiction designed to draw attention to the ambiguity surrounding form and function of a woman’s body," said Helaine S. Klasky, associate dean and vice president for public affairs in a statement sent to FOXNews.com. "Ms. Shvarts is engaged in performance art. Her art project includes visual representations, a press release and other narrative materials."

"She is an artist and has the right to express herself through performance art," Klasky wrote.

The Yale Daily News broke the story earlier in the day. Before the university had announced that Shvarts didn't actually perform the acts, news of the project sparked widespread disgust and outrage....

Hook, Line and Sinker.

I think Cazzo and Norsefire owe an apology to many of us here, if you have any morals please apologies now.

I think Cazzo and Norsefire owe an apology to many of us here, if you have any morals please apologies now.

What exactly for?

NOW and other liberal groups pushing abortion rights would be proud of this Yale student :

A Yale "art" student artificially inseminated herself "as often as possible" while periodically taking abortifacient drugs to induce miscarriages. She even has video recordings of the blood and all to show her "art" work ! :eek:
http://www.yaledailynews.com/articles/view/24513

After all, it's "her right" to do what she wants with "her" body !

NOW members would not approve of this. You are in la la land.

What exactly for?

For imply that this was real and that all liberals back this up.

For imply that this was real and that all liberals back this up.

Most do

Most do

really? prove it.

Most do

Really so far most of the people on this site (who are liberals) Do not in a any way back this up. :shrug:

Really so far most of the people on this site (who are liberals) Do not in a any way back this up. :shrug:

They support abortion, that's bad enough in itself.

They support abortion, that's bad enough in itself.

To you sure ;)

To you sure ;)

Unless you support murder; just because the mother may be some selfish, lustful, irresponsible and ignorant bitch, her child should NOT have to suffer

Unless you support murder; just because the mother may be some selfish, lustful, irresponsible and ignorant bitch, her child should NOT have to suffer

:rolleyes: Yet again another rational and calm opinion from you.

:rolleyes: Yet again another rational and calm opinion from you.

It is very rational; just because they might be irresponsible whores, they shouldn't be KILLING innocent life.

It is very rational; just because they might be irresponsible whores, they shouldn't be KILLING innocent life.

Are you one of those life begins at conception people?

Are you one of those life begins at conception people?

Of course he is :cool:

Are you one of those life begins at conception people?

It does. Besides, again, there is no reason to destroy life simply because the mother is a prostitute

I did some searching when I first read this, because I didn't believe it either, but I couldn't find anything.

Norsefire,

If you were never were conscious, do you count as a person?

Is being dead suffering, does it matter if you never knew life?

Does a women have control of her body or does the state?

If Hitler could have been aborted would you prevent that?

It is very rational; just because they might be irresponsible whores, they shouldn't be KILLING innocent life.

rational opinions don't have words such as whore or bitch in them

It does. Besides, again, there is no reason to destroy life simply because the mother is a prostitute

life begins at awareness of self

Norsefire,

If you were never were conscious, do you count as a person?

Is being dead suffering, does it matter if you never knew life?

Does a women have control of her body or does the state?

If Hitler could have been aborted would you prevent that?

It is pre-concious, however the conciousness is a "for sure" state; you can assume that the embryo will develop into a full human being, and therefore it counts as murder as you are killing what would be a human being. You are TAKING AWAY the opportunity of a conciousness to develop.

And again, just because the woman is a slut, a conciousness should not be robbed.


No, I would not; Hitler was as he was because of his thoughts, his environment, etc, not simply because he was born.

It is pre-concious, however the conciousness is a "for sure" state; you can assume that the embryo will develop into a full human being, and therefore it counts as murder as you are killing what would be a human being. You are TAKING AWAY the opportunity of a conciousness to develop.

And again, just because the woman is a slut, a conciousness should not be robbed.


No, I would not; Hitler was as he was because of his thoughts, his environment, etc, not simply because he was born.

I understand the argument forbidding potential consciousness, but its is neither guaranteed the child will be born or healthy, nor is it guaranteed the child will be raised in a loving family or become a happy functional part of society. It may be better off never being born, but that's not a choice for me to make, rather its for the one that growing the child, I can't control her no matter if I agree or disagree with her goals for the pregnancy, if I did force her to a specific action I would be relegating her rights as a person, possibly inhibiting other freedoms and helping to oppress a whole gender as 2nd class citizens, I would rather allow some potential consciousness to die then reduce the quality of life for actualized consciousness.

It is pre-concious, however the conciousness is a "for sure" state; you can assume that the embryo will develop into a full human being, and therefore it counts as murder as you are killing what would be a human being. You are TAKING AWAY the opportunity of a conciousness to develop.

Maybe so, but a woman should be allowed to remove it, even if it's murder, because it's a part of her body. I should be allowed to cut off my arm, even though cutting off another person's arm would be considered assault (under most circumstances).

The paradoxes, one is fighting for a unknown unborn human soul not to be deleted while souls dont delete (any dogmas about that ?) and while pushing familiar young unmature souls and minds to their death in wars for a freedom of choice, like abortion.
Make a law thats denies abortion and the "black market" abortions will flourish with all the side-effects, if not then we have evolved as a species.
Punishment for breaking the law will be a death by toxic injections...
Abortion is no good, and the individual whom is thinking about it cant be in "good place" either, I feel sorry for both.

There is people whom are seeking child by adoption and by other methods and there is people whom are willing to abort life of their child, these two needs should serve each other,
so its up to politicians or civil movements.

There is people whom are seeking child by adoption and by other methods and there is people whom are willing to abort life of their child, these two needs should serve each other,
so its up to politicians or civil movements.

True they should serve each other but their are not nearly enough adoptions per children aborted. http://www.ithaca.edu/faculty/cduncan/230/adoption.htm
Even without abortion there are many children who live horribly in orphanages, sometimes for reason like the adopter is a single parent or is gay, sure that might be worse then two heterosexual parents but it beats an orphanage!

I think Cazzo and Norsefire owe an apology to many of us here, if you have any morals please apologies now.

Apologize for what ? :confused:

Apologize for what ? :confused:

I already answer the question, read above.

I already answer the question, read above.


Hey, I didn't make up the story.. :rolleyes:
And as for some liberal groups and NOW, I don't apologize.

Hey, I didn't make up the story.. :rolleyes:
And as for some liberal groups and NOW, I don't apologize.

but what about the rest of them?

I seriously doubt she actually did that to herself. She's probably just bullshitting, like Orleander said, she could have used menstrual blood.

but what about the rest of them?

The rest of who ? Other liberal groups that wouldn't be proud of this woman ?
I wasn't talking about them, just the radical liberal fanatic groups that are practically willing to go to war for abortion rights.

We aren't the ones killing doctors...

We aren't the ones killing doctors...

Yea, some radical religious fanatics killed a couple of doctors. They should be shot themselves.

So where's the equivalent with abortion rights advocates?

So where's the equivalent with abortion rights advocates?

I never made an equivalence between anyone and murderers of doctors.

...radical liberal fanatic groups that are practically willing to go to war for abortion rights.

No?

No?

That's why I said "practically" :)

That's why I said "practically" :)

which is a weasal word

"I hope it inspires some sort of discourse," Shvarts said.

http://www.yaledailynews.com/articles/view/24513

Idiot.

One might as well sit in mediation and contemplate the issues just as efficiently.

But no, she's a Westerner, she needs pomp and circumstance.

I knew it wasn't true. :rolleyes: I hate performance art.

Yale Officials Conclude Student's Shocking Claim of 'Abortion Art' Was 'Creative Fiction (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,351608,00.html)

Yale University officials issued a strongly worded statement Thursday night explaining that a student's shocking claim that she had artificially inseminated herself "as often as possible" and then took drugs to induce miscarriages for her senior art project was "creative fiction."

The student, Aliza Shvarts, told three senior Yale University officials, including two deans, that she did not do the things she claimed in her art project, according to the statement.

"The entire project is an art piece, a creative fiction designed to draw attention to the ambiguity surrounding form and function of a woman’s body," said Helaine S. Klasky, associate dean and vice president for public affairs in a statement sent to FOXNews.com. "Ms. Shvarts is engaged in performance art. Her art project includes visual representations, a press release and other narrative materials."

"She is an artist and has the right to express herself through performance art," Klasky wrote.

The Yale Daily News broke the story earlier in the day. Before the university had announced that Shvarts didn't actually perform the acts, news of the project sparked widespread disgust and outrage....

Oh. Okay. So it was worth it to go to Yale.
But I don't think this is really going to accomplish anything.


Anyone see the film The Life of David Gale?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0289992/
In that film, a group of activists against the capital punishment staged a murder -but which was actually a suicide- to prove that it is possible that the US Law System can and does kill innocent people. One of the activists was indeed found guilty and executed. After the execution, the full video material of the suicide came out, showing that it wasn't murder, and that an innocent person was executed. For a little, the public was upset, but the dust soon settled.
I think all such shocks to society have this similar, short-lived fate, not being taken seirously.

I hope this is true, I really do.

One thing I find ironic though, related to this subject; is many liberals I've met are hell-bent for abortion rights, yet at the same time against the death penalty for murderers (of innocent people).......:confused:
So it's "ok" to kill an innocent defenseless fetus that can't speak for itself, but "not ok" to kill a serial killer. Go figure.

Personally I support a woman's choice to have an abortion, and am against capital punishment because I'm a conservative - not a liberal.

You see conservatives beleive in this thing called choice - particularly when it comes to personal choices to do with our own bodies - so while a lot of conservatives may not like the fact that some guys like to sick their penises into other guys or women may under certain extreme circumstances feel the need to abort a foetus - we respect that this is none ofour business and no business of government.

Also like most conservatives, I'm mistrustful of government, I'm not convinced it is as capable and efficient with my taxes as it should be - well if I can't trust the government with something as simple as my money, I can hardly expect the government to be trusted with the most fundamental of a human being's liberties - its life.

really dude - pro choice and anti death penalties are CONSERVATIVE view points - not liberal

I'm more offended just by how purely disgusting it is. A filthy feminist pig squirting random jizz wads up her stinky minge and then shitting thick menstrual blood out of it every 28 days. Probably pawing around in it afterwards wearing a big frumpy dress and no panties.
Fucking hell, why are feminists always such disgusting animals?
I don't make a statement about the wasteful ways of man by defecating into a sandwich and then fucking it and smearing the tattered remnants into my nose and mouth while grunting obnoxiously.

You know, there's just some weird correlation between feminist ideals and the tendency to be a barbarous animal of a cunt.

Yea, some feminist.:rolleyes:

I think almost all forms of art are way over my head so I didn't pass judgment on this project. The first thing that came to mind was "gross". Abortion rights never even crossed my mind. But then again i'm just a filthy feminist pig. I think a lot of you would take back the degrading things you said about the women who have abortions, if you hung around the clinic all day like I do. It can get so depressing. I assisted with the abortion of a 9 year old girl today, who was carrying her stepfather's baby. I can't believe you would call that little girl a whore.

I'm more offended just by how purely disgusting it is. A filthy feminist pig squirting random jizz wads up her stinky minge and then shitting thick menstrual blood out of it every 28 days. Probably pawing around in it afterwards wearing a big frumpy dress and no panties.
Fucking hell, why are feminists always such disgusting animals?
I don't make a statement about the wasteful ways of man by defecating into a sandwich and then fucking it and smearing the tattered remnants into my nose and mouth while grunting obnoxiously.

You know, there's just some weird correlation between feminist ideals and the tendency to be a barbarous animal of a cunt.
Not all of the feminists I've seen on TV have been barbarous animals of cunts who shit out random jizz wads. But all the artists I've seen have. I think her artistic genes are to blame here, rather than her feminist ones.

Not all of the feminists I've seen on TV have been barbarous animals of cunts who shit out random jizz wads. But all the artists I've seen have. I think her artistic genes are to blame here, rather than her feminist ones.

That I can't even argue with.

You get the old ones on tv who can't seem to stop talking about pleasuring their big old leathery clits, or laughing smugly about how ignorant people used to be on the issue of female sexuality, like jazz guys laughing at notes played badly, just because they're so well versed in frigging themselves it's just all so hilarious that anyone couldn't understand the intricate mechanics of their big slovenly and insatiable vaginas.

I'd say they're all pretty damn repugnant, even if not to the same degree as the pig dog in the OP.

And what channel did you say this is on?

Well that's just it, it's not worth watching, I don't know about where you live but here they'll always have sex documentaries about this or that, and it will look really great in the tv guide but then it's just ugly old feminists being interviewed and talking about exploring themselves and "knowing themselves" through fingerbanging.

You know, there's just some weird correlation between feminist ideals and the tendency to be a barbarous animal of a cunt.

Imagine that. When men act like men, they act like barbarous animal pricks. When women act like men°, they act like barbarous animal cunts.

Who would have thought?
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Notes:

° women act like men — To quote Joanie Caucus (http://images.ucomics.com/comics/db/1972/db721017.gif): "A great lady, Simone de Beauvoir, once said that there are two kinds of people; human beings and women. And when women start acting like human beings, they are accused of trying to be men." (Oct. 17, 1972)