My curiosity has been sparked by a couple episodes of Darren Brown. I am no psychologist, but what about someone here? Anyone here know exactly how dangerous and valid is Neuro Linguistic Programming??

It is possible on a mass scale or is it only practical in the one on one setting?

For example Take TV...Newspapers...Magazines...Internet...etc..

Can NLP be used in the formentioned mediums? If so.....is it dangerous?



Darren Brown
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=befugtgikMg - NLP

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Vz_YTNLn6w - paper money

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIIz2FAgwcw&feature=related - wallet

Derren uses NLP with a large audiance so you kind off answer your own question. And just like anything it can be dangerous if in the wrong hands.

I have been to see Derren Brown live it was a great night out.

Derren uses NLP with a large audiance so you kind off answer your own question. And just like anything it can be dangerous if in the wrong hands.

I have been to see Derren Brown live it was a great night out.

I was unaware of large audiences.....the few videos i have seen have all been one on one. How big are the audiences usualy?

Where we went it was about 1000. But his stage work is just magic and you can normally work it out if you think about what is happening.

Where we went it was about 1000. But his stage work is just magic and you can normally work it out if you think about what is happening.


I have not seen his stage stuff, just the few things I saw on youtube.....

The chess match againts 9 grand master chess players was extremely well thought out......that is an extremely elaborate magic trick and works very well. That is more along magic.....however the other things that involve NLP are a bit more innocent and hard to catch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evZmpsl3jI0 - chess

advertisements and media all together arent going to look the same to me, I mean if using NLP can increase sales and attraction of products/ideals......whats to stop em from using it?

The Chess has got to be one of the best he has pulled off, it's such a simple idea.

As for the advertisements I remember having a debate was a group of people at work regarding if they felt they were affected by advertisments. All of the group firmly said 'no' so I said to them, 'well if none of you are affected by this why is it a multi billion industry'?. No one could answer.

So things like NLP have always been at work in the advert industry. And just like Derren they are tricking us into believing or acting in some way (normally to buy a product) and we don't even know they are doing it. And their biggest trick it to work on our insecurity, the advertising industry has few morals.

Isnt this NLP stuff just a form of hypnotic suggestion?

I went to see a hypnotherapist several years ago and he found I couldnt be hypnotized.

I just kept opening my eyes and said...'sorry, I'm not hypnotized'.

So things like NLP have always been at work in the advert industry. And just like Derren they are tricking us into believing or acting in some way (normally to buy a product) and we don't even know they are doing it. And their biggest trick it to work on our insecurity, the advertising industry has few morals.

Yes. This is why it is so important that the costumer has very strict priorities and clearly specified desires.

Simply by checking at home what you really need and making a shopping list, and then when at the store, strictly keeping to that shopping list, greatly reduces impulse buying.
Not to mention the positive effects of not using credit cards and carrying with you only the necessary amount of money.

Isn’t this NLP stuff just a form of hypnotic suggestion?

I went to see a hypnotherapist several years ago and he found I couldn’t be hypnotized.

I just kept opening my eyes and said...'sorry, I'm not hypnotized'.

I’m sure there are exceptions to the rule....as in people who simply are not affected by it. I’m not sure its hypnotic suggestion as while in hypnosis you aren’t fully conscious. From my basic understanding of the human brain your "subconscious" brain is still taking in information while you are "conscious"

NLP to my understanding speaks to the subconscious mind by using anchors and key words in sentences that the conscious mind can’t keep up with. According to my understanding the subconscious mind picks up information all at once.....it’s not scaled linearly like the conscious mind is.

If someone is saying something to you too fast for your conscious mind your subconscious mind will still pick it up.

I work with several psychologists during the day as they are part of my team. I asked a few of them about NLP and they said most of them said "its a neat trick of the mind" or something to that effect. They didnt go further into the implications in advertising.

Here is my problem with it.......advertising is not restricted to products goods and services......advertising as in ......campaigns for gov, senate, and even president.....or certain laws and legislations are in a sense a products which the US is buying into.....

Possible that forms of NLP are being used to win elections and pass laws?

NLP is a fascinating area of study. When you understand how it works and you look into the subtle use of it with fragrances, images, sounds, and even taste and touch you can get a feel for how powerful people can be manipulated. There's a reason McDonalds is as big as it is and its not their extraordinary unique hamburgers.

It's a common technique used by political consultant Frank Luntz. The Bush administration does it all the time when they use words like "climate change" instead of global warming, or "enhanced interrogation techniques" instead of torture.

I think there have been some good threads about this in the past, but not sure. Searching the forums might help if you're interested enough.

I've briefly studied NLP. And once you learn the some the language patterns they use, you'll start to recognize those same language patterns in corporate advertising.

NLP experts, is there any NLP in this video?

http://hillaryclinton.com/video/98.aspx

The whole time Hillary is looking suggestive and sounding slightly aroused, and after all that sexual suggestion, she says, "stand with me for one night".

NLP is probably harmless. Last time I checked (5 years ago), metareviews found little or no clinical effect NPL compared to placebo.

'Neuro Linguistic Programming' sounds fancy though...