How much exactly do u think NASA has covered up because of human panic..there is many evidence they havent shown thousands of pics of the moon and other planets.. the moon has pyramids,bridges,etc and other interesting objects that r clearly artificial and not just natural..y do they cover up so much things?? Y do they cover up so much stuff??? How r we ever gonna learn that there is other life and that they have discovered it, if they r always covering it up and making retarded excuses.. like for example the huge cloud on the moon that they blamed on the austronauts urine... the cloud was enormous what were these people drinking??? they also never report all there finding 2 the public this has even been said by some of NASA's people.. anyway heres a link with many interesting things that were never reported on the Apollo missions.. its very interesting.. anyways what do u think about all this? :eek:http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/cosmicphotos.html

This is garbage; don't waste your time with it.

what do u mean.. so u r saying NASA reports everything they FIND!!!????

i also believe that aliens have lived here b4 and that being on earth were far more advanced than us.. what about the Starchild? New evidence is proving that this really was a hybrid www.starchild-uk.com half human/half alien

Question:

How do you know that there are artificial structures on the Moon.

Oh wait, let me guess, you saw them in pictures, pictures that NASA took and released. But wait, you're saying that NASA is trying to cover up the existance of these structures, so why would they release any pictures that even hint at the existance of such structures?

Does this make sense? No it does not. What makes a lot more sense is that a certain bunch of people with too much time on their hands and a very strong desire to believe in the presence of ETs, have deluded themselves to seeing things that are not there.

if they really wanted to cover it up, then letting some exoscientsts at it to make crazy claims wolud be the best angle, no-one believes them, but if they kept it locked up until someone with a voice like a reporter got it then it would be big, its bettre to let people think it is false because the conspiracy buffs love it thatn to cover it up

Panic over i guys, i just checked out the moon with my own private non NASA telescope and can confirm there are no bridges or pyramids or clearly artificial objects on the moon.

*hands prester a beer* :p

If NASA was going to fake anything, I would expect them to fake data in favor of strange alien stuff littering our solar system. Think of how interested people would get in space, and how much their budget would go up! Saying “We want to go to Mars so that we can study martian geology” doesn’t get you nearly as much funding as saying “We want to go to Mars so that we can study ancient alien artifacts!”

Besides the first poster apparently has no idea how much data NASA gets in.
If it were to release all images and make them availabe to public for download, it would take a large chunk out of their budget, money they can spend on science.
Besides most images NASA gets, they're not jpg images, they're raw data, to make them all look user- and download-friendly would take too much of computer processing power.

edit: please move this thread to cesspoll or in the worst case scenario pseudisci forum, but there's too much of nonsense now to burden the poor pseudosci with one more thread that has no sci in it.

Just lock this thread, it has no point of discussion or anything more to contribute to Sciforums.

Indeed. Lock it. Too much garbage in the Pseudoscience Forum already, in fact this topic already exists there.

Panic over i guys, i just checked out the moon with my own private non NASA telescope and can confirm there are no bridges or pyramids or clearly artificial objects on the moon.

Not so fast, Chief. One can say there ARE both pyramids and bridges that HAVE BEEN released by NASA. One just has to look for them.

Pyramid's:
http://members.cox.net/borobbie2/New%20Anomolies/ZoomFull.jpg


Bridges:
http://img17.exs.cx/img17/7084/screenhunter0083pn.jpg

Now, I know many of you will claim these are rocks. If they are rocks, they are pyramid or bridge-shapped rocks.

I don't feel NASA wishes to participate in anything which hint's at ETI created structures. They have never been open about such a thing, and NEVER SUGGEST it. They look down upon UFO'S in outer space, and artificial structure's on other heavenly bodies. Why is that?

If NASA was going to fake anything, I would expect them to fake data in favor of strange alien stuff littering our solar system. Think of how interested people would get in space, and how much their budget would go up! Saying “We want to go to Mars so that we can study martian geology” doesn’t get you nearly as much funding as saying “We want to go to Mars so that we can study ancient alien artifacts!”

When you consider that NASA is under governmental oaths of security, and many of their employee's are military. It's highly possible that evidence regarding the truth about ETI vehicles or structures, are simply classified.

More importantly, NASA has had MANY oppertunities to claim aliens exist to get more money. They debunk, misinform or merely ignore anything that hint's at UFO'S or the possibility of intelligently created structures. The proof is in their inability to investigate, or even suggest the possibility that UFO'S are ETI.

but if the govt is trying to cover it all up, and the govt is funding NASA then surely proving alien life would cut their funding all together, rather than increase it, would you pay someone extra to do something wrong

but if the govt is trying to cover it all up, and the govt is funding NASA then surely proving alien life would cut their funding all together, rather than increase it, would you pay someone extra to do something wrong

Nobody know's if NASA ACTUALLY IS covering anything up or not. We all have our opinions, speculation or biases.

IN MY OPINION, back in the lunar orbiter/apollo day's NASA was obligated to censor evidence which illustrated the technology and/or threat of Extraterrestrial intelligence. That might still be in place, in some way or another. Again, it's impossible to explain how, or why it works when nobody know's for sure if it EVEN DOES. It's all conjecture.

The current M.O. seem's to be this. Signs of benign life, are okay. Signs of past life are okay. Signs that a place could sustain life in the past is okay. However, ANY INFORMATION which leads the public to believe INTELLIGENT ALIEN LIFE EXISTS NOW, is not okay and subject to a high level classification. That's why the Labelled Release Experiment detected life on Mars, only to have NASA reject it, and it's findings.

Then there's some testimony from some who have worked at NASA all suggesting, either a coverup or removal of any ETI/UFO evidence. However, I suppose how you view all of this comes down to you're bias and point of view.

The current M.O. seem's to be this. Signs of benign life, are okay. Signs of past life are okay. Signs that a place could sustain life in the past is okay. However, ANY INFORMATION which leads the public to believe INTELLIGENT ALIEN LIFE EXISTS NOW, is not okay and subject to a high level classification. That's why the Labelled Release Experiment detected life on Mars, only to have NASA reject it, and it's findings.
I happen to believe the Viking data did show evidence for life. Would you care to explain how the detection of microbial life on Mars would in anyway constitute evidence that intelligent alien life exists now?

However, I suppose how you view all of this comes down to you're bias and point of view.
In the case of many of us it depends upon the application of scientific method and intelligence.

I happen to believe the Viking data did show evidence for life. Would you care to explain how the detection of microbial life on Mars would in anyway constitute evidence that intelligent alien life exists now?

In the case of many of us it depends upon the application of scientific method and intelligence.

I never said it did prove ETI... Nice try though.

IN MY OPINION, back in the lunar orbiter/apollo day's NASA was obligated to censor evidence which illustrated the technology and/or threat of Extraterrestrial intelligence. That might still be in place, in some way or another. Again, it's impossible to explain how, or why it works when nobody know's for sure if it EVEN DOES. It's all conjecture.

but if the govt is trying to cover it all up, and the govt is funding NASA then surely proving alien life would cut their funding all together, rather than increase

1) Do you honestly expect your DoD to share anything with civilians?
2) Do you honestly expect your DoD to cut its budget?

The answer to the first question would tell you if NASA/DoD is being informative.
:rolleyes:

I never said it did prove ETI... Nice try though.
Nor did I claim you did. I asked you, and I ask again how would the detection of microbial life on Mars in anyway constitute evidence (not proof, evidence) that intelligent alien life exists now?

You clearly made the link with this piece of logic:
1.ANY INFORMATION which leads the public to believe INTELLIGENT ALIEN LIFE EXISTS NOW, is not okay and subject to a high level classification
2. Signs of benign life, are okay.
3. the Labelled Release Experiment detected life on Mars
4. The Labelled Release Experiment was designed to detect microbial life
5. NASA reject it(The Labelled Release Experiment ) , and it's findings
6. Therefore the detection of microbial life on Mars is evidence that INTELLIGENT ALIEN LIFE EXISTS NOW..

It is this logic flow I am challenging you to justify.

Oh my god, have you seen this object?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v492/communisthamster/moonanomaly2.jpg
See the odd straight line? It is obviuosly artificial! How can you say something that straight can be natural????

I have decoded it!! It's an alien airstrip! Aliens are attacking!! Duck and cover!!

1) Do you honestly expect your DoD to share anything with civilians?
2) Do you honestly expect your DoD to cut its budget?

The answer to the first question would tell you if NASA/DoD is being informative.
:rolleyes:If NASA was actually part of the DoD, you might have a point. NASA is a civilian agency that receives its funding by congressional appropriation. It's true that they employ some military and ex-military people, but that's mainly because

1: They like using former fighter-pilots for astronauts
2: Military people often already have a lot of training in things like radar, aviation, communications, and other sorts of things that are important for space missions.

However, the vast majority of NASA employees, including virtually all of its senior staff, are simply civilian engineers and scientists with advanced technical degrees and no connection to the military. The only real interaction that NASA has with the military is launching the occasional spy satellite for them, but even that's more under the National Reconnaissance Office than the DoD.

Guess you need to do some more research Nascor.

Nope. Nasor is dead on. I spent much of my life on and around a NASA facility and the people that worked there. Just because reality doesn't fit your delusions of global conspiracy doesn't mean he needs to do "more research."

Nope. Nasor is dead on. I spent much of my life on and around a NASA facility and the people that worked there. Just because reality doesn't fit your delusions of global conspiracy doesn't mean he needs to do "more research."

SkinWalker, why do you consider top secret craft's to explain away UFO reports okay, but "the idea that UFO'S/ETI are top secret" to be delusional?

There are many witnesses who contradict what you just said. Furthermore, wouldnt you call you're own testimony anecdotal evidence? lol..

http://www.anomalist.com/commentaries/pseudo.html

You are ignoring my evidence of artificial structures on the moon! NASA covered it up!

Dosn't DOD have the "pink slips" on the shuttles?

Pink slip = title of ownership.

Could do. That's a simple accounting trick.

Not so fast, Chief. One can say there ARE both pyramids and bridges that HAVE BEEN released by NASA. One just has to look for them.

pics cut

Now, I know many of you will claim these are rocks. If they are rocks, they are pyramid or bridge-shapped rocks.

I don't feel NASA wishes to participate in anything which hint's at ETI created structures. They have never been open about such a thing, and NEVER SUGGEST it. They look down upon UFO'S in outer space, and artificial structure's on other heavenly bodies. Why is that?

Damn anonymous blown up photographs, i guess NASA should spend millions investigating them.

Site photograph source, indicate how much magnification has been used please.

Damn anonymous blown up photographs, i guess NASA should spend millions investigating them.

Site photograph source, indicate how much magnification has been used please.

John, this is mainly covered on another thread. I really, really don't want to source that stuff again. Look for "NEW Lunar Anomalies". ;)

btimsah,
still waiting a response to my post of 01-15-05, 03:30 PM

Why is this thread still here? All this conspiracy rubbish is a laugh in the puesdo threads, but not in this one :(

Learn to spell obeastdyke; people might take you more seriouser. :)

Can I just say that this
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v492/communisthamster/moonanomaly2.jpg
Is just this
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v492/communisthamster/moonanomaly2.jpg
with some minor editing

And I'm very dissappointed that you haven't debated it so I could embarrass you with the truth about the nature of the picture.

Cesspool this topic NOW. I have never seen another thread more worthy of cesspoolisation.

It looks like a cut on your thumb.

I think you may be on to something there Skin ;)

Nor did I claim you did. I asked you, and I ask again how would the detection of microbial life on Mars in anyway constitute evidence (not proof, evidence) that intelligent alien life exists now?

You clearly made the link with this piece of logic:
1.ANY INFORMATION which leads the public to believe INTELLIGENT ALIEN LIFE EXISTS NOW, is not okay and subject to a high level classification
2. Signs of benign life, are okay.
3. the Labelled Release Experiment detected life on Mars
4. The Labelled Release Experiment was designed to detect microbial life
5. NASA reject it(The Labelled Release Experiment ) , and it's findings
6. Therefore the detection of microbial life on Mars is evidence that INTELLIGENT ALIEN LIFE EXISTS NOW..

It is this logic flow I am challenging you to justify.

Sorry, I just realized I never responded to this junk.

No, I did not say that the detection of microbial life would prove the existance of intelligent life on Mars. I was saying they ignored that experiment because it hinted at life on Mars currently.

This is another one of you're nit-picky lame debunkery attempts, which have nothing to do with anything of substance. :rolleyes: It's a good thing I did not say jet, instead of Air-plane.

Oh my god, have you seen this object?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v492/communisthamster/moonanomaly2.jpg
See the odd straight line? It is obviuosly artificial! How can you say something that straight can be natural????

Isnt this debunking at it's most amusing?

Compare apples to oranges and ignore anything of substance.

I could easily take a picture of my hand, and blur it, then claim it's a metorite on mars! Mocking the finding of a Meteorite on Mars.. As though that means one damn thing.

It's just rather stupid to do so.

Sorry, I just realized I never responded to this junk.

No, I did not say that the detection of microbial life would prove the existance of intelligent life on Mars. I was saying they ignored that experiment because it hinted at life on Mars currently.

This is another one of you're nit-picky lame debunkery attempts, which have nothing to do with anything of substance. :rolleyes: It's a good thing I did not say jet, instead of Air-plane.
Fundamental to good science is the use of well defined terms. You appear to be unaware of this, and indeed view it as trivial (nitpicking). You are mistaken. Please try to be more precise in future - unless your objective is to be obscure and mildly irritating.

I'm not in favor of NASA hiding that there are aliens, but I do find it very strange that NASA use to release all the photos as soon as they got them on TV, and now they don't do that anymore.

I'm not in favor of NASA hiding that there are aliens, but I do find it very strange that NASA use to release all the photos as soon as they got them on TV, and now they don't do that anymore.

Yeah, I agree with you. Although I still believe the people that work at NASA are incredibly smart, gifted scientists - It's just unfortunate that they cannot release everything. Even when it their job to do so. :(

Fundamental to good science is the use of well defined terms. You appear to be unaware of this, and indeed view it as trivial (nitpicking). You are mistaken. Please try to be more precise in future - unless your objective is to be obscure and mildly irritating.

I suppose I could see the problem with it. It seemed like I was insinuating that Microbial life is the same as intelligent life. I just did not want to get caught into a terminology debate about what I was trying to say, even though I did certainly fail at writing what I wanted too.

When I was in High School I had a, "written expression" problem. It's a lot more noticable when I'm very tired and get lazy. :m:

Whoops, sorry. I meant that this
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v492/communisthamster/moonanomaly2.jpg
is THIS
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v492/communisthamster/moonanomaly.jpg
I just whipped out my digital camera, and in five minutes i had that pic. I was hoping you would seriously discuss it, so I could laugh at you whenI revealed what it actually was. It's my wall.

Whoops, sorry. I meant that this
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v492/communisthamster/moonanomaly2.jpg
is THIS
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v492/communisthamster/moonanomaly.jpg
I just whipped out my digital camera, and in five minutes i had that pic. I was hoping you would seriously discuss it, so I could laugh at you whenI revealed what it actually was. It's my wall.

Yeah, I know.. This is debunking 101; Take a picture of something mundane and trick someone into thinking it's sensational and then claim the sensational claim is the same thing - EVEN WHEN ITS NOT. Forget the truth, let's play games.

Clearly, NASA has let a few photos slip past that they wouldn't want the public to see. They must be getting sloppy.

<img src="http://www.sciforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3777&stc=1">

How much exactly do u think NASA has covered up because of human panic.
not much

.there is many evidence they havent shown thousands of pics of the moon and other planets.. the moon has pyramids,bridges,etc and other interesting objects that r clearly artificial and not just natural..y do they cover up so much things??

because of human panic didn't you say

Y do they cover up so much stuff???

we covered that didn't we

How r we ever gonna learn that there is other life and that they have discovered it, if they r always covering it up and making retarded excuses..

you've seen star gate, it's true.

like for example the huge cloud on the moon that they blamed on the austronauts urine...
yeah fully thats not true, the aliens are having a hige smoke on some cosmic bud

the cloud was enormous what were these people drinking???

Water i think, unless they smuggeled on some beer, they are pretty smart i think they could have pulled it off, may be it was a whole keg...

they also never report all there finding 2 the public this has even been said by some of NASA's people..

yeah i know this guy that works at nasa and he tell me heaps of things, he is but i am not allowed to tell anyone

anyway heres a link with many interesting things that were never reported on the Apollo missions.. its very interesting.. anyways what do u think about all this? :eek:http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/cosmicphotos.html
YEah that was mind blowing!

Crazy picture (http://www.sciforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3779&stc=1) i promised my friend from nasa i would never show anyone this picture but, i can't hold it from you guys any longer!!!

It is a picture of space and if you look closly you can see a ufo with an alien in it.... freaky i know,

PLease keep the above picture on this forum, i dont want mass human panic