My new Theoretical Polotical Structure

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Entropic, Mar 18, 2005.

  1. Entropic Registered Senior Member

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    Political structure

    - Big cities are abolished and small communities are formed, small enough for bikes to be more desirable than cars, and small enough to form a community where everyone knows each other. Communities fend for themselves, relying on their own skills to survive; teaching is done through literature instead of schooling. Allowing children to specialize as soon as they wish.

    - To reduce monopoly, goods are sold in a market rather than sold to someone who then sells at a higher price. No middleman, as goods come directly from grower/maker. Economy also doesn't exist, nor does tax.

    - Communal issues are resolved by a democratically forum allowing everyone to participate apart from minors.

    - Minor area (eg.state) issues are resolved democratically in a forum similar to communal problems. This forum consists of representatives of the communities.

    - Large area (eg.country) issues resolved same as minor but with representatives from all minor areas included in this area.

    -Worldwide issues resolved by same means as large and minor, but with representatives from all large areas.

    -Borders are abolished and only major laws are worldwide (such as crime prevention) where as minor laws can be passed for minor areas, allowing morals and beliefs to be taken into account.

    -Communities, by law, are not allowed to exceed a certain limit, if they do, excess people will be moved to smaller communities or new communities to remove the chance of major cities.


    There are complications still to be worked out, but i feel that such a system would work much better than those currently in place. As it creates a unified world without imposing wills on others and allowing communities to decide their own laws through forum.

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  3. duendy Registered Senior Member

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    what place have hallucinogens in your society?
     
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  5. Entropic Registered Senior Member

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    that is for the communities to decide

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  7. duendy Registered Senior Member

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    THe most crucial thing we are going to have to face, apart from our ignorance--which is included in this insight--is children's education

    At the moment it is blatant indoctrination into industrial fascism. which depends on a meechansitic-materialistic induction by ragged-arsed teachers etc
    It is an horrendous nightmare that's accepted by even so-called loving parents. and if things couldn't get worse, NOW they are being pressurized to drug their children with Ritalin etc so as to fit in this self-defeating system

    What needs to replace this is people waking up to what is going on, and taking their children OUt of this systems indoctrinating halls. And can i recommend you to look into this. This is something i personally have been very interested in since i was introduced to it years back. It is education in its real sense which learns children about the Intelligence of Nature, and sustainable living.....

    www.ecoliteracy.org/seminars.html

    please explore the site. i am sure you'll find it interesting and will contribute ideas for your vision.....
     
  8. Thersites Registered Senior Member

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    How are you going to persuade or force people to abandon big cities in the first place? They only came to exist because communities such as you describe didn't meet peoples' needs.
     
  9. duendy Registered Senior Member

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    more like they didn't fit the aristocratic 'landowners' needs! who enclosed COMMON land, so as to replace people with sheep (In England)
     
  10. Entropic Registered Senior Member

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    nature will force them for me.... i hope

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    . Still, the reason the communities developed into big cities is due to commercialism and the introduction of stores. Allowing people to sell their goods to a retailer gives the possibility of retail chains opening up, thus creating market competition. Making stores 'outgrow' others. It is possible to keep communities small, it just takes organization.

    Again, this is all theoritical. There are many holes in it, this is like a small baby, that must grow, to live in the real world. This baby cannot work, and is not ready for the real world.
     
  11. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    Easy! You haven't taken into account basic human characteristics. Without doing so, your system is nothing but fantasy ....like farts in the wind.

    Baron Max
     
  12. Entropic Registered Senior Member

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    can you extrapolate so i can see my folly. Just telling me that they are farts in the wind doesn't help, i need to be told what they smell like :bugeye:
     
  13. duendy Registered Senior Member

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    His 'basic human characteristic' Is interested in this and is a vision, and other people have this vision......to just take the cynical attitude like you seem to aspire to we may as well all go lie down and die

    we HAVE to change, i dont know if you really see this?
     
  14. Clockwood You Forgot Poland Registered Senior Member

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    Sounds good to me. I would talk and backstab my way into power over one of the most agressive villiages and start a self perpetuating war and sweep over the landscape like Temujin, the great Ghengis Khan. Well, I probably wouldn't get the chance... but someone would. They would have no lack of recruits among those who feel stifled.

    What you describe would have no immune system and could not meet growing threats.
     
  15. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    You don't know what "human characteristics" are? ...and you're dreaming up new and wonderful political systems in which humans are to live???? How silly!

    Greed, selfishness, gluttony, pride, ego, anger, hatred, violence, ...coveting the neighbor's wife, ....on and on and on. Those things that make humans do the things that they do in society's that exist today in all parts of the world.

    If you can "conquer" those aspects of human nature, then and only then can you begin to create you ideal Utopia. But until then, as I've said, all you're doing is having a nice little fantasy and it's not worth talking about on a political forum.

    Baron Max
     
  16. Thersites Registered Senior Member

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    Not, however, in Assyria, Babylonia, Persia, Rome, Byzantium...
     
  17. top mosker Ariloulaleelay Registered Senior Member

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    I fart in the wind all the time, that isn't fantasy.
     
  18. cato less hate, more science Registered Senior Member

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    Ever hear of the Khmer rouge? they were supposed to be an all-equal group of people, but it was doomed from the get go, because it is not in mans nature to be selfless.

    while talking with my friends at school we came to the conclusion that the only perfect earth government would be one enforced by Terminator like robots that made sure nobody took advantage of anybody else(we called it a robo-UN). outside that, we decided that if humans only numbered less than 100 a government could work well. So the solution is to get humans off this rock, give small groups of humans their own space based "bio-dome" that could not support enough people for them to become corrupt.
     
  19. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    And what does it accomplish?

    Baron Max
     
  20. Entropic Registered Senior Member

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    k baron max, i see what you mean, but does our current system take this into account anyway? I don't really think so.

    As for cato, i agree. This government i propoze can become as corrupt as any government, so in a way, robo-UN is the only true government because we are greedy. I just think my theorized government would reduce greed than the current system. Our current system encourages greed with all the 'gambling' you can do on the stock market, and making us want things we don't need through advertisement. Once we get rid of economy, there is no wheel to keep turning, and people will have no need to advertise (being more consumers makes equilibrium for that product rise, meaning more profit).
     
  21. otheadp Banned Banned

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    if there are no borders but world-wide basic common laws, somebody should enforce those laws. so there's gonna be this global militia... co-ordinated how? by who? where would the headquarters be? in another village with people on bikes?
     
  22. Entropic Registered Senior Member

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    the communities enforce the laws on themselves. Global laws will only be logical laws that people need. That don't prevent their freedom, but prevent others from preventing their freedom. Small areas make their own private laws. As a small groups of communities decide on their laws, they enforce the law themselves.

    Global law doesn't need a main person to uphold it, as it is inserted into private law which is the communities responsibility.

    As for a HQ i have no idea about that. I guess state, country and global HQ's will need to be place in the most central community. So im guessing the world HQ would be placed in egypt due to it being the geocentric centre of Earth's landmass.
     
  23. Clockwood You Forgot Poland Registered Senior Member

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    Lets say one area agrees that it wands to resume privateering and slavery. It sends out pirates to take out cargo ships and drag their wealth back to port along with their crews. The crews are promptly put to work in the mines and fields until they die. The country uses its wealth to build fortifications and a powerful military. Then it sets its sights on a neighboring agrarian country.

    What is done?
     

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