I did not expect to have anyone comment on my first post titled Time Thoughts (thats why I erased the post and left a period) since I was not sure if my idea would be received well especially since I'm new here but I have decided that hell, I might as well get it off my chest. Basically I have come to a conclusion that is definitely not original but I feel strongly about and am hoping to find someone to give me an answer that would dispute it, the conclusion is that Time has no basis in the physical universe except as a unit of measure. Some of the reasoning I have rolling around in my head is the example of a battery, how does time interact with the loss of energy, I don't think it does, the battery will lose power eventually without time being a factor. I don't believe that a past or future exists so time travel is moot. One of the things that led me to this conclusion is the fact of aging, are we really aging, is time the factor or is it just that the bodies complex molecular structure eventually breaks down to a point the body can no longer function. This leads me to believe that a lot of the theories that exist with time being a factor is causing a false answer. That's pretty much it in a nutshell. Enjoy.. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
I agree, I believe time is simply a way of measuring an event, x,y,z doesn't specify happenings, as that would leave it possible for two things to happen at the same time in the same place. I've never heard anything to contradict time as a measure though.
The body is created, it grows and dies like any living thing, time has nothing to do with it. Time is an invisible constant; it does not exist in reality. Time is purely a manmade invention to measure the "time" between two points. The question is usually "how long does it take to get there" as opposed to "How far is it"? Both mean the same, but give two totally different answers. Nice first post my friend Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Time can't be manmade, that is like saying the spatial dimensions are manmade also. Time and space are intertwined, inseperable. The only problem I think arises with siledre's idea is, how does your idea explain the changing of time around extreme gravitational forces. If I'm traveling at the speed of light I will age the same as if I was traveling at any other speed, or none at all, but everybody else will age incredibly faster. There time is different from mine, therefore they will die at a different time (much quicker). At least something to think about.
I AGREE i also agree with you about the illusion of time. the future is an idea and the past is only a memory. this concept of time is only another practical application to deal more appropriately with mans everyday life and interactions with others.i also beleive it is what seems to make a (begining of the universe) concept misleading as well. continual cogitation to you my brotha!
ooh, good question Kyle, I love a challenge. I first want to say that this theory of time and the speed of light is just that, theory, I am going to go out on a limb here and say that this actually could prove that time is just a unit of measure and here is why. If time was a constant then no matter how fast you are going the same amount of time would pass for you as the people on earth but time is not a constant, it's passing is simply based on the movement of the stars and planets. Going the speed of light does not change the speed at which the stars and planets move but we have convinced ourselves that it changes the movement of time, so how can time be changed when the movement of the stars and planets remain constant. Time exists to help us put the physical world into a measurable formula but this has led to time getting billing it may not necessarily deserve. As for the changing of time around extreme gravitational forces, I don't know, I will have to read up on this to give a reasonably intelligent answer.
We have observed a difference in the passing of time on earth from different places of higher and lower gravity, the relative passing of time isn't just a theory, it is in fact proven by this. Time is mandatory only because we cannot have the same event occupying the same place at the same time. This makes it appear as if it is manmade, but think about it, in space can a star explode at point 9,9,9 and another star explode at that same point 9,9,9? This shows that it is in fact mandatory for time to be present in our universe. Time since the big bang, imaginery time before the big bang. Stars remain in constant, unchanged orbit when our time slows down (or accelerates) because it is relative to the observer, not because it is a made up dimension.
But if time doesn't exist that isn't a worry, newton said "Absolute, true and mathematical time, of itself, and from its own nature, flows equably, without relation to anything external." I can accept that writing as an eventual fact that time doesn't exist in that capacity. And I'm not disputing that time flows differently it's the fact that it does flow differently in different places that tells me it may not be the equation they were seeking for the current working theories. Let me put this to you. If time exists and nothing is impossible, then time travel would eventually be possible and if that is the case, then how would you stop someone from coming back in time to disrupt its flow and in stopping certain aspects of its flow wouldn't it set up a chain reaction that could devastate everything that is or ever was. I'm sure I'm doing a bit of reaching but I think aside from my idea that time is not all that, I also believe that in the future we will find constants that we never knew existed that will change all this and probably even make einstein's theories moot. I also think scientist tend to over examine and instead of creating a simple explanation use math to boggle ones mind so people end up like 'uh, yeah, i was just thinking that' hehe
Newton was incorrect because he was pre-Einsteinian (if that is a wordPlease Register or Log in to view the hidden image!) A variation of the "Grandfather Paradox". Kip Thorne introduced this, it is not without resolve. Time travel may be possible, but who is to say you have free will when you travel back or forward? I think you would just be an observer. Infinite histories/futures also reolves this problem. If you went back and killed your grandfather a different history/future would be made, one with your dead grandfather (different than what you are presently in, and you were never born) and the one with you in it, but your dead grandfather still dead, and perhaps even another, where you did not kill your grandfather at all, and never travelled back in time.
Nope, I said the measurement of time is manmade, as a means to an end........... Who decided 60 seconds make a minute, 60 minutes etc etc?
Time does not exist in reality...it was created by death which had a beginning and end. The past present and future are all in the present except the reality of them is in a different dimension..different harmonic of time therefore may not be audible or visible in our harmonics..
If your wondering about Time and Reality and basically the universe in general i suggest you read a book called "god's Secret Formula" by Peter Pilcha. It has many interesting ideas inside of it and provides many answers to what this world is. I cannot call a definitive work on the universe and time, but for some it might be. If anything read it cos' it's very interesting.
The measurement of time may be manmade but it is still there. After all a tree still had height, width and depth before we called it that. Time still passed, and although we decided to split it up into chunks, it didn't mean the chunks weren't there to begin with.
In reality things still grow ,bit they do not have to be linked to time...Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
The numbers are manmade but the measure of time is not. 365 days in a year, ... 24 hours in a day, keep dividing these into more easily managed measures and you get 60 seconds is a minute. You could have divided this however you wanted, but it still holds that the measure (or passing) of time is universal and not manmade. Take a ruler for example. Twelve inches is a foot, these numbers were assigned by man, but anywhere in the universe if you hold a ruler out the twelve inches will always be a foot according to our language/communication. How would you know if they were growing? You have nothing to gauge their progress by, now it is twenty cm's, now it is fifty cm's...it keeps going on that now it is even taller and taller, but you don't know that its growing because the now is always the current time. Unimaginery time was created by the big bang, I don't know where you get it was created by death. If it started with death then the first thing to die started time, what amazing event sparked the creation of time throughout the universe from this one things death?
the answer is quite simple. Over time people came to identify the four seasons on this earth, the birds flying south all that and so on. From this, our knowledge of time was born. Minutes, days, months are the same as kilometres and centimetres, they are nothing more than the most appropriate and relevant means of expressing our knowledge of the dimensions.
quote: How would you know if they were growing? You have nothing to gauge their progress by, now it is twenty cm's, now it is fifty cm's...it keeps going on that now it is even taller and taller, but you don't know that its growing because the now is always the current time. Growth has nothing to do with time,before man , things still grew ,therefore the size has also nothing to do with time.. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
if we did not have the concept of time, past present and future we would not know that things grow, we would not know that the sun comes up everymorning, we would not know where babies come from, TIME and GROWTH are so inherently intertwined they cannot be seperated. We were only able to know what growth was because we have a concept of time, and if there was no time, nothing could grow, that's a fact. No time, no future no growth. I totally agree that before man, things still grew but time and growth have a connection, it's obvious, we couldn't even talk about growth if we didn't know what time was!
quote;I totally agree that before man, things still grew but time and growth have a connection, it's obvious, we couldn't even talk about growth if we didn't know what time was! Can you see,hear feel time? no.... so therefore time is a man made concept, and things can still grow if time existed or not,if you put your watch away for a week, will your beard grow?
