Lately I have been reading Cosmos by Carl Sagan. While in the car I Brainstormed an idea. It answers questions but raises new ones... here it is.

The Universe has supposedley been created from the big bang. So where did all that matter in the big bang come from? My theory suggests that The universe is actually a black hole in a sense....... So work with me here..... A massive sun dies and creates a massive black hole. This black hole consums entire galaxies and tons of matter of the eons. The black hole is essentially a pouch of Matter from all the stuff it consumed. Of Course we can't see it. We can only see a black hole. But in the inside it's like a pouch. Now lets hypathetically say that all matter is reduced to say, Sub atomic particles when it goes through the Black hole. So there is and intensely compact pouch of protons, Neturons, and electrons Inside this Massive Black hole. Then something happens and The inside Just Starts exploding or changing quickly into a universe. The universe is only as big as the amount of matter in it at the begaining. but things change and when that explosion happens the black hole is somehow closed and we now have a brand new universe. This theory of mine is suggesting that there are many universes and One huge Cosmos. But does it stop there? This is my theory Of cosmic origin.Comments Are very welcome. I know it needs work but tI have 60 years at least., After all I am only 14.
:D :cool:

I have always thought that maybe it was a black hole. Only there's some things here that have to be different. For one there is so much gravity that the source is infinately small. The size of a pea. Now to have that much gravity but that much mass doesn't make sense in that small of an area. But if it were the remains of another universe, completely swallowed, imagine the amount of gravity. Prehaps the point is the white hole letting all of that matter screaming into the universe that we now know. Kind of like the universal rectum with a bad case of the runs. (poor example)

The latest findings indicate that there is a black hole at the center of every galaxy.

What if these black holes are slowly sucking in all the surrounding galactic matter? Each galaxy might eventually disappear into its own black hole and then we will only be left with black holes, ah but then the black holes will be so massive that they will attract each other and start to merge. Perhaps that will be enough gravitic attraction to prevent the observed universe from expanding and cause it to contract ending with one final enormous black hole.

I would then suggest that the black hole might have a maximum threshold above which it cannot sustain itself and will then explode – awright another big bang, and the cycle continues.

This is complete conjecture of course – I simply liked the idea. Might still be true, but the current thoughts are that the observable universe is likely to expand forever. Shame.

Cris

A lot of theories you mention.......Why a black hole???
Because most of the people think the Universe exists out of stars and Black Holes....
And people think everything vanishes in these Black Holes, which is true, but to say that the whole Universe once will merge into one big Black Hole....???

We live in the Cosmos, we are born because it makes sense. Everybody on Earth lives here for a reason. Perhaps it is difficult to believe but we live again, and again, and again until we know why we live.
We live to learn to love eachother. Whatever the colour, religion, or whatever else may be........
It doesn't matter in the end, we are all the same, don't be so paranoid and try to trust some one.

Blach Holes are there and they will always be there, but they will never suck up the whole Universe, there are much dimensions. They stay......no matter what.
We belong at such dimension, we come from there..........we are born again from there.
I can't explain it in good words to you now, I don't have the words now, but it'll come.....then I will tell all I know, all you need to know too.
I am sorry. I tell you as soon as I have the words.

I think Asimov's theory was in the same line as the blackhole theory that I read many years ago in one of his books.

I think each backhole connects to a whitehole where matter moves from oneside to the other and back again when the matter runs out at one end. The blackhole changes state when that happens. It goes on forever. In the meantime, if one blackhole come in contact with another, they combine to form a bigger one. Just another thought.

Then the question comes, where did all these energy come from. May be in the beginning there was nothing...then there was a photon...and another one...and another one...

OR, may be the Universe is an effect of a cause, so alien that it is beyond our Universe...and we will never find it, because neither we nor the Universe can perceive that which is outside.

Tristan
GOOD ONE!:D
wet1 The size of a pea. In what we know of this universe anything seems possible.
Cris
From the last I've heard we're still expanding thankfully.(Hopefully!) Good theory!:D
Banshee
Just wanted to say "Hello!":D
Kmguru
Good theory.
What if blackholes are vacuum cleaners. They suck at one end blow from the other. So in one sense the big bang could be the black hole getting into a filthy spot and sucking it clean into are existence. Maybe the expanding universe is not that at all it's what we see when one of the many vacuums cleaners around us just cleaned up.(By the way the vacuum cleaner I'm talking about doesn't have a bag. But if it did then it exploded, then there might be a big bang?) The way I'm going it might need one.) What if this replaces the big bang and there's an infinite number of vacuum cleaners askew throughout spitting and blowing at one another recreating itself(The universe) all the time.

You can laugh about me as much as you want.
In another forum I said already I go look for another thread or another forum.
I thought everybody has the right to write his/hers feelings and thoughts down.
Why are mine so laughable, tell me!!!

Do you know better, and do you know that for sure???

And Hello to you too.

Banshee
I believe that your last post was aimed at me. Sorry if I made you feel that way. As far as I remember I just said 'hello'. I was not laughing at your theory at all. I didn't comment on it because it made sense and I had no argument with it. From the bottom of my heart I apologize. You are an asset to this forum and I look forward to your continuing post.
sincerely,
Patrick.

I am so sorry, think I've got moonsick.
The moon is almost ful and most of the time I am not to handle then......

So I apologize, I am a lunatic.....today
;)
Think I over reacted, so I am real sorry.....

banshee
Thank's for the words.:cool:
I didn't want to try the parachute.:D
I can't figure out why no one wanted to by it.:rolleyes:
Type to ya soon!

Wow, Tristan that was deep, deep enough to be almost the basis of a new religion! As far as the latest information goes on the Universe is that it is actually accelerating apart. Maybe it will accelerate far enough apart that it will no longer be a universe, just an infinite space with a few exotrillion atoms wandering about! Exotrillion I made up, no idea what it means! Interesting theory though Tris; if you make it to be another Einstein call me please!:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Hehe, thanks.:cool:

Originally posted by Tristan
Lately I have been reading Cosmos by Carl Sagan. While in the car I Brainstormed an idea. It answers questions but raises new ones... here it is.

The Universe has supposedley been created from the big bang. So where did all that matter in the big bang come from? My theory suggests that The universe is actually a black hole in a sense....... So work with me here..... A massive sun dies and creates a massive black hole. This black hole consums entire galaxies and tons of matter of the eons. The black hole is essentially a pouch of Matter from all the stuff it consumed. Of Course we can't see it. We can only see a black hole. But in the inside it's like a pouch. Now lets hypathetically say that all matter is reduced to say, Sub atomic particles when it goes through the Black hole. So there is and intensely compact pouch of protons, Neturons, and electrons Inside this Massive Black hole. Then something happens and The inside Just Starts exploding or changing quickly into a universe. The universe is only as big as the amount of matter in it at the begaining. but things change and when that explosion happens the black hole is somehow closed and we now have a brand new universe. This theory of mine is suggesting that there are many universes and One huge Cosmos. But does it stop there? This is my theory Of cosmic origin.Comments Are very welcome. I know it needs work but tI have 60 years at least., After all I am only 14.
:D :cool: :confused: first of all tell me ...who defined energy in the cosmos ?i mean, thats where particles and antiparticles are coming from.isn"t it?????

In fact are we all materialized energy.
We all come from the Cosmos.
Everything is energy, in everything is energy.
Even in a stone, you can make fire out of it, easily, just a spark from the stone.
Your reality is different then mine.
I look to a tree in a different way then you do.
So my reality is different from yours and other people.
So there is no reality, which reality is the only real reality then?
You see.
Everybody has a different vision, on everything, and makes his/her own reality.
:)
We materialize ourselves here on Earth in the way we want to be, and in the way we are.
You come to Earth as a person who already knows his/her whole coming life.
That part is your Deeper Self.
That stays with you, through all your lifes.
that is only energy, this Deeper Self, but You are the energy.
The energy materializes on Earth in the baby you are when you will be born.
But in fact you know your whole life, and what is going to come in your further life.
Your Deeper Self has that wthin, you can't reach it, that is for safety and because you are not here to know all you have to do up front. But the way your life goes is set, up front.
Every person is on Earth because he/she has a mission to do here. It can be very simple and it can be very hard.
Every person shall get his/her own share of good and bad things.
And no, this is not the bible.
The bible is more cruel.
If you manage to live on Earth in the best way you can and you treat people well, then you will be treated well.
You get what you give!!
And this one is very true.
If you give anger and insults, don't look strange when you get something back,as nasty as what you yourself did.
You give good listening and real love and friendship, you will find love and friendship on your way.

Remember always, Material things are not as valuable as many people think....
You get, what you give...
The Cosmos gives Love.
:cool:

Tristan,

From experiance of our present sun, we can understand that it distributes heat and light, creates rain, which all in all creates and sustains life as we know it. If a sun was to collapse and become sucked into a black hole, it must be asked, where did the sun come from?

Love. Jan Ardena

When the sun dies, the Earth dies...
Nothing more...Nothing less.

Originally posted by Banshee
In fact are we all materialized energy.
We all come from the Cosmos.
Everything is energy, in everything is energy.
Even in a stone, you can make fire out of it, easily, just a spark from the stone.
Your reality is different then mine.
I look to a tree in a different way then you do.
So my reality is different from yours and other people.
So there is no reality, which reality is the only real reality then?
You see.
Everybody has a different vision, on everything, and makes his/her own reality.
:)
We materialize ourselves here on Earth in the way we want to be, and in the way we are.
You come to Earth as a person who already knows his/her whole coming life.
That part is your Deeper Self.
That stays with you, through all your lifes.
that is only energy, this Deeper Self, but You are the energy.
The energy materializes on Earth in the baby you are when you will be born.
But in fact you know your whole life, and what is going to come in your further life.
Your Deeper Self has that wthin, you can't reach it, that is for safety and because you are not here to know all you have to do up front. But the way your life goes is set, up front.
Every person is on Earth because he/she has a mission to do here. It can be very simple and it can be very hard.
Every person shall get his/her own share of good and bad things.
And no, this is not the bible.
The bible is more cruel.
If you manage to live on Earth in the best way you can and you treat people well, then you will be treated well.
You get what you give!!
And this one is very true.
If you give anger and insults, don't look strange when you get something back,as nasty as what you yourself did.
You give good listening and real love and friendship, you will find love and friendship on your way.

Remember always, Material things are not as valuable as many people think....
You get, what you give...
The Cosmos gives Love.
:cool:

Printed this out and posted in on my wall. Wow Banshee. Ever thought of writing a book? I'd read it :)

Welcome to Sciforums, GRO$$.

You'd be suprised at the bits of wisdom that come from all over the world to here. The beliefs of people are wide and varied, reflecting the enviroment that they grew up in or just the way they have worked the world out for their own understanding.

Yeah, quite heavy :)
Being located in this vortex one could say the universe might not be expanding, but by being slowly compacted as the pull increases, the further edges seem to move away :)

Anyone familiar with the novelty theory by Terrence McKenna? Time itself being sped up towards a final dimensional implosion where we meet the transcendal object at the end of time. Fits the idea of a black hole. A rip in space/time which slowly eats up the universe. Getting closer to the whirlpools centre the pull becomes stronger and faster. Speeding up time itself...

Just freestyling here :)

Thank you Gro$$, for the compliment
:)

And MuliBoy.
Time is relative; The next second is past tence already..
;)
Don't you think it is crazy they made up 'Summer' and 'Winter'time in Europe??
We have 7 months 'Summertime' and 5 months 'Wintertime'.
What kind of logica is this?
They do with time whatever sooths them best.
So time is not real, if it can be changed that easily every time...
:p :p

Yeah Banshee. I think all this physical reality stuff is quite irrevelant. It is a state of double think for me. On one hand there is the material space which has apparent rules and action/reaction stuff. Then we have the outer spirit which is totally unbound by this space.

Everyone is at a minimum 2 entities in the physical realm. 1 human and one spirit or soul which oversees and partakes in the human form. These two are both separated and one, depending on ones current mindset. My chosen view upon myself is through the eyes of the spirit. The physical me is my plaything :)

And everytime I interact with someone else, this person in turn creates another version of me which inhabits that persons subjective space. The me that someone else knows is not the me I know. Just as I create my version of that person.

Everything one sees and knows is just local phenomena. So in effect it is impossible to know anything relevant as long as one sees it through the local reality mesh.

I believe that attitude is the most important aspect of excistance. Mood is very infective among humans. Acting positive creates a lot of positive copies of oneself within other ppls realities :)

What´s this got to do with blackholes?....
Nothing I guess... Freestyling again!! :)

That is what I mean with everybody has his own reality.
You see people and things with your eyes.
I see them with mine, so I see it different, with my eyes.
My reality.
:)
Then there are people who know you, but do not know you.
But no one knows you, like you know yourself.
Again another reality.
A loved one, who loves you, sees you again in an other way.
Again another reality.
And all this on one person.;)

What a reality's there are.
Just as much as dimensions.
Legio.
:p
Black holes???
Was the topic about black holes???

Since we got to the subject of different people's reality, heres an interesting poem by Emily Dickinson i read a bit ago about madness being sense (in anothers reality):

Much Madness is divinest Sense
------------------------------------------------------
Much Madness is divinest Sense---
To a discerning Eye---
Much Sense---the starkest Madness.
`Tis the Majority
In this, as All, prevail---
Assent---and you are sane---
Demur---you ?re straightway dangerous---
And handled with a Chain---

I guess it means that majority decides which reality is sane and which is mad.

(Sniffle, Sniffle) wow it's amazing how fast the topic gets lost. Anywho, Ya sometimes I look around and feel wierd becasue I say to myself, Is what I am Seeing really there? Am What I am touching really there? Strange. I am talking about that personal reality thing. Kinda funny. Dam I love Sciforums. I can actually talk to intelligent people. Finding someone like that in my school would be like finding a grain amoungst a whole beach.

Yeah, reality is very much the tyranny of the masses.
It is not widely known just how much the subjective perception can alter physical space.

Don´t consume, produce :)

You know, it is good to have different reality's.
What would life be as everybody was the exactly same.
No fun at all.:)

And nothing to learn too.
Because that is our first and most important reason of being in these reality's.
Learn from eachother.
In PEACE.
Not in war, as what happens so often nowadays.

But the topic was 'Black Holes'.
Sorry I drifted off.
;)
Black Holes are one of the mysteries of the Universe.
Maybe it sucks up everything in its neighbourhood.
Maybe then you come in a different Universe.
Who knows, it can be everything.
It doesn't have to be bad, because maybe it pulls everything with it. It can lead to a whole new Universe, which is another reality again.
:rolleyes:
So you see.
You never know, with these reality's.
Bye.
Talk to you later.
:p :p

Tristan,

You reflect with your theory on something that has long been speculated on. That is that if the universe is closed, meaning that sooner or later every thing stops expanding and starts contracting then what happens? To that end this hypothysis was thought to be the possible rebirth of a new universe with the possibility of different physical laws and properties than what we now have today. Light might well travel at a different s[eed in another universe and not be the same constant that we know of. It has immense appeal to physists at the time becomes of the conservation of energy and matter that nature seems to be so fond of.

The latest thoughts are that the universe will continue expanding and there will be no big crunch. But understand, the basis for this is not by a large margin. Add that to the fact that we can not yet account for all of the mass and matter that we think should be there. It may come out yet that we are in for the big crunch as all is not yet throughly known.

Exactly.
All scientists act like they know it all.
They do not.
In fact, they know nothing.
They are guessing in the wild.
For they do not know a thing about the whole Universe.
So they talk and talk and talk.
Theory after theory.
Yeah, so they keep busy, no?
;)

The black hole theory is very nice...... But that still does not explain how the universe came to be or where it came from: We get sucked into a black hole, then another universe pops out....It goes on and on.
which came first the black hole or the universe?

The Cosmos.

Who knew?! I am a fan of Infinate Regression

I was going to post some of the great quotes from the various members here, but there are too many! So I am just going to post my view, which tends to run in the same direction as all of yours:

It seems to me that the inevitable conclusion of gravity and therefore Black Holes, is to collapse all matter/energy of our "known Universe" into an infinately small ~~~quasi-mass~~. Because of this intense gravitational pressure & inertia that will then be put on this mass, I believe that the only conclusion will be that all Black Holes will come together eventually & form one Black hole. This one Black Hole will continue to compress itself out of existance altogether ! ! ! Or at least out of the existance that we presently know of.

patman:
What if blackholes are vacuum cleaners. They suck at one end blow from the other. So in one sense the big bang could be the black hole getting into a filthy spot and sucking it clean into are existence. Maybe the expanding universe is not that at all it's what we see when one of the many vacuums cleaners around us just cleaned up.(By the way the vacuum cleaner I'm talking about doesn't have a bag. But if it did then it exploded, then there might be a big bang?) The way I'm going it might need one.) What if this replaces the big bang and there's an infinite number of vacuum cleaners askew throughout spitting and blowing at one another recreating itself(The universe) all the time.

I could not agree more with patman's quote. If the matter of our universe becomes infinately compressed into nothingness, then I expect that this compressed mass will emerge in another universe completely and be a mirror reproduction of our universe, as it expands.

I would further add this & it may seem to be a little like some of the wonderful things that have been written by Banshee earlier:
That the mass/energy of our universe is the result of patman's "vacuum cleaner idea." And that as the the total mass/energy of the previous universe collapsed into nothingness, the exact patterns of that universe--life & lifelessness, galaxies and solar systems, were all ....condensed as a perfect representation of what this previous universe once was ! ! !

Everything about what this previous universe once was, was logically collected and compressed into the Black Hole that I believe has now exploded & made our own universe (Big Bang). From the entire matter/energy of the previous universe, I believe that we (our universe) has come into existance.

But here is the kicker, now people: It seems to me that as our universe has formed, it may well be something of a mirror image of the previous universe! :cool: :cool: :cool: And that our very existance now, right down through the microscopic and even into the subatomic-- may well be something that has happened many times over, in a sort of a "bouncing effect" between possibly two different planes of space/time. Or perhaps like a pendulum that swings back and forth between a "Super Black Hole" & a "Big Bang".

Over the years, I have often considered this and continue to believe strongly that our own universe will also eventually stop expanding and begin it's journey back into that from which it came. That it will also continue to collapse in upon itself, if only by the extra energy provided by it's momentum (inertia), until it too pushes all of it's matter out of existance and explodes into yet another universe. Perhaps after this, I really do think that our universe will live again, and so shall we!

In another 20 billion years, we (you and I) may well post at sciforums again-- these very same words....... in another type of universe ! ! ! The reasoning being that all patterns will be reproduced exactly, whether through explosion or implosion.

Fractal Geometry.
There seems to be something that is almost mystical about it. Repeating patterns of chaos........ There is a feeling that I somehow understand some of these things, yet I have no words to describe them. But I inwardly know that there are some kind pattern sets that are truly the "Law Givers " that efffect total dominion over our universe. It cannot be a coincidence. It's almost as though these patterns exist on their own, while matter & energy "cling" to these patterns and are guided by them to form galaxies, solar systems, planets, life, ..... .org:D

<A HREF="http://www.Galaxies/solar systems/planets/life.org" TARGET="main">Galaxies/solar systems/planets/life.org</A>:D Oh well.......:rolleyes:



So....... when are our politicians going to let US grow our own marijuana? After all, it's not like a "PotHead" crashed a Jumbo jet into the damned Pentagon ! ! !:D

later people................:cool:

I agree on the Mirror-Theory Riddler, you are right there.
There seems to be a mirror of this Universe, and a mirror of that one and a mirror of that one. And so on.
Universe doesn't end....

Things you say are already been said, you will say them again, for all is in you, up front..
Oh, how difficult talking again.
I can't explain it very well in english.
Will some one who knows what I mean, take this over from me and explain in good english what I mean to say here?
Please?
In fact is this: Because you are materialized energy, everything you project here on Earth, when you materialize yourself here, is in the energy you are. As soon as you materialize yourself on Earth, all is hidden inside of you, up front. Better this way?

And I really am looking to understand that Black Hole theory, I do understand what you, and scientists say about the Black Holes, sucking everything up in a certain time...
I do not think that way...
I think it is a vortex to a lot of other Dimensions.
The way the Aliens come with their space-ships?
I really do not know, but I am getting to believe it that way.
Because there are much more Universes and much more Dimensions.
I wonder if humans ever find out how it really is, up there, in Space, with all its Black Holes and other mysteries I would love to know.
It keeps interesting.
This discussion.
Lets go on, look where it leads us, with all those different ways of thinking.
It is very interesting...
:) :)

Regarding Blackhole creating a mirror universe idea:

I would like to differ slightly (not that I can prove anything...). We Easterners believe that Souls are born and die to perfect themselves to a higher order of existence through learning (or not learning in a specific life cycle).

Just like Fractal geometry, if this (our life cycle) is a microcosm, then the macrocosm could be that Blackholes create universes which is a life cycle itself and the universes die to be reborn. And in the process they learn the arrangements, changing physical laws, shapes, and so on and evolve to a higher order of what we can not comphrehend exactly - may be the goal is to be dark matter...

In this scenario, it will not be an exact replica of the previous universe but somewhat close yet more perfect by each cycle. From Chaos comes Order type of formulation.

What do you think Banshee? I am sure you understand what I am getting at....

Yes, I think you are right.
It is true, I learned that, we come back (reincarnate) to learn more and be better in the next life. There are different layers in the Cosmos, every layer is slightly more 'perfect' then the other. In the proces we can reach the highest layer only by living every life more intense then the former life and 'see' what we are here for.
In the layers live entities, Light-Beings and other Beings who have learned and are gone to a different dimension, because they learned all they had to learn on Earth. In the next Dimensions are differences and again other layers where Beings live.
And so on.
But I guess you can say it in the way of the Universe and the Black Holes, and the cycles who getting a little more perfect every time, like Kmguru says yes.
It is difficult to say in english, sorry.
Kmguru is right. I try to tell what I feel and learned about it.

I sort-of understand fractals, yes they are very cool. I thought once you could use the fractal ideal and apply it to a persons life vs. that of a species or countries life. As we are young (lez use the US for example) we are aggresive and cannot make decisions easily, maybe some of us are inherently racist. As we grow older we start to succumb to our wants a needs (need I say more), and as we grow much older we are intelligent and kind, and control other countries which we consider our children.

My theory of th e universe is simple: someone went faster than the speed of light and expanded infinitely, therefore we are living inside someone. I'll be back later, gtg.

No, not inside someone.
In the Cosmos, or the Universe, if you like that word better...

MY how things progress whenI am gone...

Sorry for the lack of time in responding. My new computer has an XP bug and must be sent back to the factory so that they can give Microsoft the straight scoop and I must wait until I recieve a new one before I can return to Sciforums on a regular basis.

However, conservation of energy is a law that nature is well known for. This seems to be at odds with current theory that says we have an open and continually expanding universe. If we have a continually expanding universe then we will never see the total accumulated mass in a black hole with all the mass assembled from the original that started at the Big Bang. Instead the black holes will never have enough gravity to pull everything together with distance already so large and still expanding. If that was so then what exists now would be in danger of being gobbled up. What would happen would be that once black holes consumed all available mass they would sit there for eternity as they were. The distances between such would continue to larger and larger with no hope of mass ever getting close enough to finish the job of vaccuming the rest of the universe. Everything just gets farther apart. Energy levels would continue to drop until even the atoms have no motion and the electrons come to rest. At such point then entrophy will have run its course and the universe will be dead with not a spark of energy anywhere within it.

Wouldn't the black holes get closer and closer eventually? Think of it this way: right now you are feeling the tug of gravity of Tau Ceti. It is extremely light, but it is there. The gravitational tug of Earth reaches out to the edge of the universe, only it is so incredibly minute...

Anyway, if there was nothing in the way of the Blackholes they would eventually collide, because each one is pulling on the other. Now that would be something to witness: two colliding black holes. Time to bring the camera!

I have been theorising some more and I know someone on here has began touching upon what I feel is the truth.
It's taken me a while to get to the point of writing this as I have been theorising over this and trying to expand the information further (But I lack the all important diagrams that take ages to create. Although you wouldn't suspect that when you see them)

Originaly I placed my theory of how mass is created through a blackhole on this topic (someone nearer the start of this thread)
But what I neglected to explain in detail was my understanding of a blackholes existance.

I believe that the creation of a blackhole creates a Universal Parallel of the former Universe. This means that the universe in which a blackhole exists can be an Alternative in comparison to our own.

At first people think a blackhole as a funnel shape, similar to a tornado or whirlpool, sucking what ever exists in the universe into it's centre to do what ever occurs.

I found this understanding to be slightly floored, mostly because everything seems to have some polar structure at an atomic level, so there must be poles to a funnel. This gave me a clue as to the theory that there isn't one funnel, there is in fact two.

(I know Riddler mentioned this also, but his theory differs slightly)

Http://chatsoba.port5.com/images/bh1.gif
(See above)At first, I toyed with the notion that two funnels, one positive or normal space, meets a negative antispace (where Anti-matter exists). And I began thinking about how the funnels meet.

Most people would say that a World Face would exist, where the two funnels meet, but they would percieve them contacting each other without entering into each other.

I percieved that it would be possible that the funnel points could actually exist within the opposite funnel, namely the normal point's exists within the belly of the anti-funnel. Where the funnel point is within the belly I realised that a gravity flow might pull that funnel point back through into the centre of it's own funnel, making it fold on itself. (I've left out the World Face)
Http://chatsoba.port5.com/images/bkhole.gif


This gave me a new direction, because it meant that in the centre of these funnels would be a spherical gravity well, and also a spherical energy excression. But that wasn't all when you placed paralels into the equation.

Http://chatsoba.port5.com/images/bkholeps.gif
(See above) I had this notion, If he two funnels meet in the centre (Symbolised by the hourglass shape layed horizontally) That they would enduce a Matter/Anti-Matter friction reaction and a Fusion point, because all mass and light is accelerated, they "Jump space" and appear from frequency in aspace where the blackhole funnels don't exist.

This I perceive as our Sun and other Stars throughout the universe.

But what does this mean? When it means there is a universe (Or should I say time) that a blackhole exists, while at the same time (or parallel) a star exists, while again at the same time Space exists, all at what would be called the same Place.

We see the sun, and it's gravity is made from what left over blackhole gravity in our parallel universe.

The problem is as the universe continues to grow, and certain superconductive states occur, our gravity is weakened (along with the excersion of time) This is where somebody who studies the "Schrodinger's Cat experiment" can get a rough idea of what happens to our star on a larger scale.

Http://chatsoba.port5.com/images/bh2.gif

I percieved that the funnels could eventually lose their mutual gravitational attraction and begin parting, which would in fact
stretch our sun one way and flatten it another. This is where I think a SuperNova would occur to our sun, and the destruction of a blackhole.

I hope to clean this up when I have a bit more time and my computer isn't so buggy.

All that Black Hole theories of you.
Man, it gets better every time.
Universe is not having the Black Holes to suck the whole Universe up all of a sudden, or not all of a sudden.
You are babbling again.

Why are these Black Holes no Vortexes? How do you know?
Because some scientist tells you so. There can be a million scientists tell me this, it is not so...
Black Holes are very little known off. Scientists act like they do understand everything and that they know everything.
But is that true?
I wonder...
Maybe you should too...
This Universe, this Cosmos, where we all come from, like beams of energy, materializing on Earth.

Tell me it is different...this time I want proof, real proof!!!
No nice pictures or theories I heard a thousand times and ofter.
Nobody knows what the Black Holes are standing for in the Universe, it is all speculation...
But they (the Black Holes) must have a purpose, because, if not, they would not exist.

I just want to point out that it is not proven that black holes even exist. There are thories out there that prove the anomalies in space believed to be caused by their gravity as something else.

I'm glad you pointed that out GRO$$, as sometimes I do not take into account that people don't already know those points. (I already did, but I neglected to inform anyone within my post)

I know also that my posts might sometimes have Keywords appear that seemingly have now descriptive passage entailing what their meaning is, I ask anyone that has that problem to mention it and I will try and describe it.

I actually do find it quite difficult to write posts sometimes, because I have within my mindsight the whole understanding, but it's a collage of images and small technical spouts of data, that I find increasingly hard to unify in some coherant text.

I've read most of the posts in this thread and would like to add my 2 bobs worth :-)

It is true that scientists do not know everything, and they are the first to admit this, but their theories are back by observational evidence.

Black holes are pretty well understood, though it must be remembered that a BH is the event horizon of the singularity which resides inside. It is what happens at the singularity that is unknown. Saying that the evidence could mean something other than a BH is like saying Shakespeares work was not written by him but by someone else with the same name.

The beginning of this universe is also well known to 10^-43sec. We do not know what was before this time. Yet.
There is the abundance of the lighter elements, the CMBR, the redshift in distant galaxies to back these theories.

While the speculation is interesting in this thread, almost none of it is backed by any observational evidence.

Boris, are you sure of that?
No.
You can't be sure, because, as you say, nobody knows exactly how it is up there.
And things scientists have calculated, I do not believe in at the first place.
Scientists, always the same...Do an experiment in a lab on people who don't even know exactly what they do. Because these scientists lie about it, they do not tell the truth.

And Mr. Stryderunknown, you should know better, then to say this. Now you lost me. I thought I understood you quite well, but I am wrong here I guess. I am sorry about that. I like your posts, and always read them, so I don't see your problem.
In my head I know it very well yes.
But to put it all down in words, in english. That is to much and to difficult.
And probably for nothing, everybody has his/her own opinion and that is good.
That is why we discuss the matter. I think it is a good discussion. It is good not to share the same theory's, people need other opinions, so they can make one perfectly, or almost perfect theory which what they can work and discuss further.
So come on people, lets talk on here....

Boris, I hope you have a good time at the Sci forums. You give good reply. ;)

Thanks for the compliment Banshee :-)

"Scientists, always the same...Do an experiment in a lab on people who don't even know exactly what they do. Because these scientists lie about it, they do not tell the truth."

Not all experiments are done in labs. Observational evidence is gathered and the reasons why this is how it is, is explained with theories that best fit the facts of the obsevation.

All the technology you use is based on science, GPS use time dilation theories to give you accurate info on you position. Quantum for the semiconductors in your 'puta. Saying all scientists lie is a rather unjust accusation to level at them and not deserved. I am sure you can't mean that.

I should add that everyone is more than welcome to come and participate in the Aussie forum. The more the merrier. Always good to have input from different people.

Welcome to Sciforums, Boris2, we are always glad to have you here. Yes it is true that very little is backed by observational evidence here within the thread. But it is at a level that everyone can particate and feel comfortable within. But please particpate as sometimes that is exactly what is needed to keep the course fo the thread. Again, welcome.

Yes, yes, yes, I see again, the same as always.
What do you want to know Mr. Boris?
You like some guineapigs to test?
It won't happen, not here.

Are you no scientist?
What do you want then? Know what we are originally? You can guess how many of us are human, and how many of us are Alien...
Try to find out...
Good luck with it, and your experiments.
Bye.
;) :p

shrike=human.

Humans appreciate shrike.
Meat.

you have the same problem that many religons have, you speak of all these mini (black hole)galaxys in one big cosmos, but what is, how was it created and who created the big one? Religion speaks of a GOD who created all, but who created the god? but all the same interesting thought..


Tom
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hey! Like my new Avatar! Its a wormhole I made in photoshop

Yes, like your avatar, a wormhole.
Through which the Aliens come our way....Beware, you never know what comes through such a wormhole, so be careful with that avatar.
:p
What nonsense, god created the Universe? And then, who created god?
Man, what stupid questions.
I don't repeat myself every time, I am not a cd, you can put on return you know.
One time, for you Tom.

There is no god creator who created the Universe.
The god is made up by humans.
The Force that created the Cosmos is called: 'All That Is...'
You see?
I explained the whole item for over 5 times now. I guess if you really want to know, you have to look it up.
Because it is a lot of writing every time. And like I said, I am not a cd, you can put on return, though I sound like one now.

I am sorry, it is not that I do not want to explain it to you, what I think is happening. It is, that probably you yourself, think very different.
That is why I think it is better if you look it up in former posts, so I don't write all down again, but you can react on it in your own thoughts. Ok?
If you want to react, it is never necessary, only if you think it is from importance to you.
Have a nice day. Bye.
:)

"The Cosmos Is All That Is, Or Ever Was, Or ever will be." Carl Sagan

Like the Avatar, Tristan. If you support the BB theory then there was a time when it did not exist.

Yes, exacrtly.
What do you have to say now, then?

Sorry, I forgot.
Who says the Cosmos never existed for all times being?
Who says the Cosmos was not forever here?
Who says the Cosmos doesn't exist for a long, long time?
We are Cosmos, we all are energy from the Cosmos, but it doesn't matter that you do not realize. It may come to you, when necessary...

How about One God per Galaxy? :D

<<...The Universe has supposedley been created from the big bang. So where did all that matter in the big bang come from? My theory suggests that The universe is actually a black hole...>>

Certainly, the Big Bang theory is the leading rational hypothesis of the Universe's origin. It is the leading hypothesis because it is currently the hypothesis amongst many that is best supported by available empirical evidence, and because it has survived all previous attempts (not necessarily all future attempts) at falsification.

As to where all the matter came from, it all came from the energy contained within the singularity that the Big Bang theory hypothesizes predated the Universe in its present form. Matter is congealled energy, coming into existence as energy loses energy -- cools.

A more recent theory that seems to explain how the Universe came into being without some of the unexplained aspects of the Big Bang theory that arise from its tenets is the Ekpyrotic Theory.

The Ekpyrotic theory suggests that our Universe began not as a Big Bang expansion of a space-time singularity but as a collision between two 4-dimensional membvranes in a 5-dimensional Universe.

That there may be more dimensions in existence than the 4 that we know -- length, width, heighth and time -- is also borne out by String Theory in which 11 or 13 dimensions may exist, most fold in upon themselves and out of view of us 4-d'ers.

Those interested can do the search on "Ekpyrotic".

"In the ekpyrotic model, when the two three-dimensional worlds collide and "stick," the kinetic energy in the collision is converted to the quarks, electrons, photons, etc. that are confined to move along three dimensions. The resulting temperature is finite, so the hot Big Bang phase begins without a singularity. The universe is homogeneous because the collision and initiation of the Big Bang phase occurs nearly simultaneously everywhere. "

That can also mean that the black holes in one brane could be emptying the matter to another brane. If each brane is moving at the same time, that could create the new world.

<<...That can also mean that the black holes in one brane could be emptying the matter to another brane. If each brane is moving at the same time, that could create the new world...>>

Say what?

You presume that before the branes collide black holes exist.

So much for reading comprehension.

(Sorry, not intending to step on toes, as the new guy on the block.)

Argh!. I Do and don't believe in the BB theory. i can understand it but i am adding a new twist. Where the (beep) did all the matter come from. YOU CAN"T CREATE SOMETHING, OUT OF NOTHING. So, my theory extends the BB theory. Truly I believe in infinite regression AKA "there's always a bigger predator" Or Protons-Then to Quarks- Then to Nuetrinos- Then to whatever- and whatever, ect. Infintie regression plays into the universe by solving our deepest question by simply saying don't ask it. Where did everything come from? Because you can not, under no circumstances create something from nothing. just imagine being but in a room with just a white floor, 4 white walls, and a white ceiling, and being told to build a nuclear bomb.

So...... "The Cosmos Is All That Is, Or ever Was, Or Ever Will be." Carl Sagan

Hello Mr. G

You can assume anything in this forum if you are formulating new ideas and work from there. This is like genetic algorithm. Some may survive others wont. Specifically in an area that is so esoteric that physical proof may be years off....

Think-out-of-the-box....think different....

<<...Think-out-of-the-box....think different....>>

Is this an admonishment that I should adopt a truly open mind, wherein I am able to consider even the most infinitesimally likely a posteriori hypothesis to be essentially valid?

Yees :)

There is no way of dismissing a idea without examining it first. Every idea presented by anyone is a conclusion based on the preconceptions and perceptions of this individual.
Where does the real and the imaginary end or begin?
Where is the proof of matter being matter outside of the interface of human intelligence?

This cannot be proved with the perception limited by the means of its dimensional capabilities, so in essence there is no way to prove #1 or #2.
It is all assumptions and a reality-tunnel built upon what one can see, touch and hear.

Solid reality and "truth" is defined by the individual (or individual accepting the fable it is being told). As a scientist one can choose to only believe or trust what ones contraptions and tools say is real or valid. As a shaman one can choose to believe or trust what ones totem tells you in a visionquest.

Both ways are just as correct and still only slivers of the big picture.
A open mind is just what it´s said to be, open.
A closed mind only works with what it begins with.

Humour me :)

Just a thought....


Tristan you wrote:
"Argh!. I Do and don't believe in the BB theory. i can understand it but i am adding a new twist. Where the (beep) did all the matter come from. YOU CAN"T CREATE SOMETHING, OUT OF NOTHING. So, my theory extends the BB theory. Truly I believe in infinite regression AKA "there's always a bigger predator" Or Protons-Then to Quarks- Then to Nuetrinos- Then to whatever- and whatever, ect. Infintie regression plays into the universe by solving our deepest question by simply saying don't ask it. Where did everything come from? Because you can not, under no circumstances create something from nothing. just imagine being but in a room with just a white floor, 4 white walls, and a white ceiling, and being told to build a nuclear bomb. "


Creating something from nothing is impossible due to the laws of physics...would you agree that what ever created the universe BB or otherwise also created the laws which we observe as the laws of physics and hence what ever happened before the universe was created may not have been bound by the conservation of matter etc????

MuliBoy said: <<...There is no way of dismissing a idea without examining it first...>>

There is not enough time in any person's life, or even in the timespan of a civilization, to give all ideas equal weight and equal scrutiny until each is thoroughly tested for relevence and validity.

Idea triage is a necessity, even for a so-called open mind. You have to judge which ideas are of more relevence to you than others.

<<...Where does the real and the imaginary end or begin?..>>

At the moment you decide you don't have the time to deal with nonsense.

You have to adopt a BS filter or your brain becomes BS.

Rambler,

Interesting. Very Interesting.:rolleyes:

You can also say that if it wasn't goverened by the current laws of physics because whatever created the universe created those laws, there is no way that a mere human can comprehend the idea that the universe sprang up out of knowhere and it could be created from nothing because it wasn;t goverened by the laws of physics we know. Example, Can you really, truly comprehend nothing? Nothing meaning nothing, no molecules nor atoms, ect.
And if there is a forth dimension can you truly comprehend what is so plain to the 4th dimensional beings(if there are any) the way they see. I understand 3 dimesions as length, width and height. How could you possibly have a 4th dimension? Time...... No, we already have time.

Your spot on, personally I don't believe we will ever know how the universe was created or where the matter came from unless that information is given to us by something which is beyond our known universe....as far as dimensions > then 3 (time not being a physical dimension) our brains just aren't geared to comprehend that kind of reality...we can infer or guess at higher dimensions through indirect means but that's about the best we'll do....humans will never have a first hand experience of higher dimensional realities, we can't even imagine it....

Tristan,

<<...Can you really, truly comprehend nothing?..>>

Can you really, truly sell any critically thinking person on the notion that 'nothing' is more of an intellectually-challenging idea than is a non-evident, meddling, supernatural entity that plays with us like we are Barbie and Ken clay-mation props?

In view of your last post I feel I should clarify my own posts, when I say "something beyond our universe", or "whatever created the universe" I am in NO WAY suggesting a God.

Phew glad that's off my chest :D

Ahh. But time is all we have :)

Yes, of course one has to sort information. But it´s also important to be aware of the operations of the BS-filter, and to constantly upgrade it so one wont have to miss out on golden thoughts when it´s running on automatics.

One should be aware that by adopting a persona these often come with a gestalt. Categorizing oneself as scientist, spiritualist, communist or whatever brings along the trappings of the stereotype or archetype.
These gestalts come equipped with a standard perceptive filter tuned for that reality-tunnel. Essentially one can become a NonPlayingCharacter. A stereotype that follows its preset routines.

That is why I try to modify my programming whenever I can.

BS?
BullShit or BeliefSystem? :D

<<...One should be aware that by adopting a persona these often come with a gestalt. Categorizing oneself as scientist, spiritualist, communist or whatever brings along the trappings of the stereotype or archetype. These gestalts come equipped with a standard perceptive filter tuned for that reality-tunnel. Essentially one can become a NonPlayingCharacter. A stereotype that follows its preset routines...>>

Whew. So much for people's attempts to force me into their idea of a, so-called, truly "open mind", against my better judgement.

It's good that all categories of gestalts are abhorant.

:D

Your theory does, in fact raise more questions than answers. I have found it easier not to think about the origins of the universe in such ways. I can tell you how I think of this issue by a brief hypothesis of mine. Please bare with me.
Think of ants (yes those little black insects), they go about their business doing what their supposed to be doing and they interact with each other in many ways. How do you think they view us humans? The answer is that their anatomy does not allow them to think in such ways , it is impossible for them to understand us or how the world works. But they perfectly understand their own world and know exactly how it works and what they are to do to make it work. Stay with me, now imagine that we are just like the ants in comparison to some supreme life force of some sort. Our universe may be a small little part of something much larger (the ant mound compared to the Earth) that our anatomy does not allow us to possibly understand. There may be some kind of supreme beings looking down on us and our galaxy and\or universe much in the same way we look at ants. I believe this may very well be the way it is.
The question is where does this end? Who or what or what is the nature of the MOST supreme being. This being has been indealized as the God of many different cultures and faiths. Thanks for listening and sharing your thoughts.

Creator? Alien watchers? ;)

I guess I just don't understand people's irrational need to feel watched over and told what to do.

It's somewhat disturbing to observe so many adults behaving like they're still living at home with their parents, and will never leave.

:D

Because we are all just materialized energy bemed into an Eart-bound body, the Cosmos exists from energy and energy only.
There seem to be very much more Galaxy's like these.
All different Spheres, with all different Energy-Beings, some have ever been in a human body.
The Planet Earth where we live is like a learning school for us, to learn to live in balance with all living species on this beautiful, very alive, Planet Earth.
But what is the human race doing now??
They are not civilizing itself. They are on the way to the destruction of all this, because they have forgotten how to keep on paying attention to Earth and Nature.
They prefer material things and want more and more. Humans become paranoid, like they are afraid other humans will know what they posess and what they think. They lost the track and that is a shame...:confused:

If humans ever learn to live in peace and balance with themselves and Earth, they shall understand much better how the Cosmos, where we all come from, works.
And maybe are these so called Black Holes vortexes to other Galaxy's....I really would have the chance to go look, but maybe I will get the chance after this Eart-bound life.

It is not for nothing too that we are reborn to go on learning. Til it is enough and your Deeper Self may stay in the Spheres.

Mr. G , Do I detect a hint of insult in your last comment or did i Misunderstand?:confused: :mad:

Originally posted by kmguru
may be the Universe is an effect of a cause, so alien that it is beyond our Universe...and we will never find it, because neither we nor the Universe can perceive that which is outside.
i just read it.now why is that KM always makes me think more?
in so small words,he'll say so much that you'll take awhile to think and digest it.
i am not complaining,i am just saying that you"re great thinker KM,keep up to it,oh and by the way Tristan's thread should be thread with greatest reponse ever given to any,so it should be given a "HALL OF FAME";) :cool: just kewl man.

Mr. G. should learn to have a little more respect for humans who are some different then the usual ones.

Then there are very disturbing messages of the erase of 2/3 of the human race within the next 40 years because of all their destructive and polluted behaviour here on Planet Earth.
The messges are coming through clearer and clearer and I heard them from at least 12 other humans in exactly the same words I have got them.
All this religion wars and all our hateful and harmful doings to eachother and in particular to Planet Earth are leading us straight to the erase of the human race.

Only the ones who nurture and take care of Earth and Nature will remain.
The ones of us who got these messages are told to pass them through as quickly and far as we can to try to save what is going to be lost, without any doubt.

So give me your disbelieve, I did my job and will post it as long as necessarry.
A lot of Psychics have had exactly the same messages in exactly the same words, it is a REAL warning, the LAST warning.
Stop your destructive behaviour, turn around and THINK about it.

How silly it may sound into your ears, it is the truth. We are being watched and it is now decided. The human race is heading straight down the line to its own destruction.
You cannot simply do whatever you want, there are rules bound to your staying here on Earth. You misabuse Earth and Nature in a so bad way that there will be a MAJOR Natural disaster within the next 40 years which will erase 2/3 of the human race.
So Earth can calme down and there will be a chance for others to try to live their lifes in the proper way on Earth and make Her whole again and healthy.

Normally I never post what I hear from the Watchers of Earth, this time we are all told to spread the word, everywhere and as fast as we can.

NO NONSENSE HERE, TRUTH.

But it is your good right to call me crazy, I did my job, I post it where ever I can. So don't say you didn't know when the time comes, for the time is coming near rather quickly now.

I know you all think I am a craze. That is why I never, ever post 'things' like this, but it is ordered to us now.
Please take notice of this and watch what you are doing. Stop your destructive behaviour NOW....

So have a good laugh about this, but you heard the message, don't forget it!!!!
The Watchers of Earth have had enough of all this damage and destruction and the way humans behave towards one another.
They have the right and the power to do what is necessarry to save Earth from its pests and they will do so without hesitating.

Be more gentil towards others, don't be so narrow-minded and look some further then you usually do.
And let this 'war' in Afghanistan stop at once, for this is the main reason the messages get coming more often and more urgent.

With all your respect, I don't want to hear any dumb laughter from one of you narrow-minded humans, for I only did what I was ordered to do.
So let me be. Ok?
Thank you.


:confused:

Tristan,

Yes, you did, and you did not.

Think of it as a group 'hug'. :rolleyes:


Banshee,

It would be nice if the world could be the way you want it to be -- the way our respective literary, history or science books say that it used to be -- before the global human population grew to where that sense of Utopia was lost.

So whom amongst us shall be killed to reduce the planet's population to Utopian-supporting levels?

Of course, no sane, compassionate person would ever actually advocate reclaiming Utopia from the ashes of genocidal pyres.

So that leaves what was the past in the past, never to be regained. You know, you can never go home.

Now, unlike you, I want the world population to continue to grow, to grow wholesale until the amount of life-sustaining material resources on this ball of rock has been so consumed by humanity that, if species Homo Sapiens Sapiens is to continue to survive, humanity will rise off its collective Gluteous Maximi and get the hell off this ball of rock and fan out across the cosmos in search of new Utopias.

You seem to have an afinity for the past. Think back about 65 Million years. The most successful class of vertebrates -- the Dinosaurs, already having lived on Earth for 140 Million years -- were smacked out of existence like a fly by a fly swatter by a large rock that wanted to occupy the same place in spacetime as the Earth.

Some say that Darwin's Evolution is about survival of the fittest. Did you ever consider that that characterization is rather unenlightened, belying the underlying sophistication of those who champion the idea? Consider that for 140 million years the Dinosuars were among the fittest of all terrrestrial life forms, then SMACK and they were all gone.

Maybe Evolution is survival, not of the fittest, but of the most adaptable...the smartest.

Now, in about a Billion years the sun will undergo internal changes in the way it generates its energy from nuclear fusion. From these changes the sun will produce more energy than it does now. It will expand in size until its surface passes out over the Earth's own orbit about the sun.

Long, long before the sun's surface gets here, Earth will lose its atmosphere and oceans to evaporative heating. No matter what kind of Utopia exists on Earth at that time it will exist no more.

If by the time such things happen humanity has spread its seed to worlds scattered about the galaxy then Humanity can live on, in many possible Utopias, even though the Mother World is no more.

So, the way I see it, the human race can survive the ultimate destruction of Earth first by avoiding being killed by an impacting asteroid or comet andr, second, also avoid the evaporation of Earth by the sun by letting the humans procreate with gay abandon until population pressures force us of our lazy, Utopian asses and get the hell out of Dodge and on our way to the New Worlds.

To put it simply, I think that people who live in the past in search of Utopia are contributing to the death of us all, and forever.

What price for humanity your vision of Utopia?

Think of it as a Great Flood, Noah takes his asses across the Great Ocean to new, dry land-kinda thing.

:D

I don't recall many people crying for those left behind under the ocean of some deity's plan to save the human race from itself.

:rolleyes:

Mr. G., you don't understand what I am telling here.
I never post like this, but now it is told that we spread the word. The ecosphere on Earth is so badly damaged by pollution and destruction that it is no longer possible to keep the human race on this Planet.

I knew you should come haunting me. I do not live in the past, just the opposite. You just don't understand.
I am not going to tell you how and what about myself, but the message has come to me in another way then you get them.
And unfortunatly there are a lot more like me who have had the same message. This time it is no pessimistic or as you say utopia thinking, oh no, wish it was.
This is dead serious and if I were you I should remember it well.

Then again, leave me be, as I asked. I am just passing through this message because we were told to do so.
If you don't can have a little respect, then hold your tongue, for you really do not know what you are talking about.
This is about the future, the very near future.
Can't you read? Are you blinded by your own arrogance?

I do not go further into this with you, for you just don't understand. You will know when the time has come and you are drowning in Noah's flood, as you say so nicely.

As far as it goes for the message I had to pass through to as many humans I can reach I will stop with this post because it is one message, very important, take notice of it or don't that is up to you.

Again, for the last time, can't you have a little respect for humans who are different then you and the most humans?
It was difficult for me to post this message at Sciforums because I know what a good laugh humans like you will have at me.
Well, that is not my concern, I did what I was asked to do.

This is of great importance to the human race, the last warning, for the Timekeepers have already decided.
But you don't know what to think of that, so you call it living in the past. The past????

This is about the very near future, within the next 40 years 2/3 of the human race will be erased from Earth, for they damaged the ecosphere that much that the Timekeepers cannot allow the human race to go on like this.
Only the ones who nurture and live close to Earth and Nature will remain.

Well, I repeated it all for you, do you understand now that it is not the past I am talking about?
And it is not the past I am living in, I live in the present heading for the future which brings a lot of trouble on my mind now.

I never asked for being a messenger of dark times to come.
But it has been made very clear to me that I have to pass the message to as many humans I can reach.
That is the only reason I posted it. I never do post 'things' like this, never ever.
In this I had no choice.

But you may go on picking at me. It seems to bring you joy and a lot of fun. Wish I felt so funny now...
Let me be in peace, I had to deliver this message, I really have no choice here.

So I will not come back to this message. I passed it through to you here at Sciforums, while taking the risk to be called stir crazy, but eventhough I did.

This is the end of my message and I won't get back to it.
I just had to deliver it to so many humans I can reach.

Have your good laugh Mr. G., now you still have the chance and for the very last time, leave me be in peace.
This was really difficult to do for me. Posting this message at Sciforums, for I do not want humans here to think I am crazy or what so ever, I am not crazy, far away from that.
I also am not the only one who is passing this message.
Obviously I am the only one at Sciforums, wish there was someone else here who knows....

Wishful thinking, but I took the risk, just to make sure everybody knows it and can interprate it as they want, but it is a serious message, a serious last warning.

Pay some respect Mr. G. it will do you no harm.
I feel very uneasy about posting the message here at Sciforums, but I did it anyway because it is of great importance.
If you don't understand it, I am sorry for you.
But it gives you no right to lecture against me or laugh at me.

This is the end of my message post.

what will happen after this great purge, and will it happen all at once? Will technology be destroyed and will our race turn into a species of earth-loving nomads? Will we find another way to be so technological while taking care of the planet as well? I'm curious, as I cannot figure out why banshee would post this other than to help us (at the sciforums) help ourselves. There is no personal or financial gain by doing this.

PM me banshee, tell me what'll happen, if you do we have a better chance of saving people, I guess. You need to get your message farther into the recesses of the internet and back it up with prove, post a video of the keyboard typing itself or something. I am slightly skeptical, after all just about everyone has been hearing shouts of 'armaggedon' before and after the year 2000.

This is interesting.

Skeptic.com (http://www.skeptic.com/)

Skeptical Information links (http://www.primenet.com/~lippard/skeptical.html)

Why People Believe Weird Things (http://skepdic.com/refuge/weird.html)

Mr. G. get of my back, NOW.
I have had it with you.:(

Shrike I will contact you, as soon as I can.
I have no videocamera and even if I had one, I am no freak from a freakshow.
Forget it.

Everybody may think about me whatever they want, I did it only because I was told to do so.

End of discussion about the message.:confused:

"We are in the age of Technological Adolesence, and if we surivive.... we will become a space ferring civilization."

"Surivival according to the drake equation.....1%"

".... And it is hardly out of the question that we might destroy ourselves tomarrow."

"Right now there is enough nuclear weapons to kill 100 Billion people" ___----___From 1985... Think its changed much?

All come from my bible. Cosmos By Carl Sagan. Banshee I completely agree with you and support you. I often dream about Being offered by an alien a super powerful space craft that i could go anywhere in the universes (Ya thats right, Universes) to learn about and slowly take in the most beautiful piece of art the mother Cosmos has ever made.

Oh! Hehehehe.....Last night it was extrodinarly clear and I Did some astrophotography. The Pleiades were visible with the naked eye in Cleveland. I took pictures of the Pleiades,Saturn, Juptier, Orion, And..........thats it. I know for sure thay they were Saturn and Jupiter. Those Binoculars i bought kick ass and the Pleiades looked so awsome through them. I also found M42+M43. They are I believe both Diffuse Nebula which appears as the middle star in Orion's Sword. It looks really cool. Man I had a great night.

Banshee, Again, I support you! Late

Banshee,

<<...Mr. G. get of my back, NOW. I have had it with you...>>

My abject apologies for giving you the unintentioned impression that I was singling you out for derision.

It was not my intent to make you think I was attacking you personally. However, it has been my intent to confront your ideas and your reasoning, and the similar ideas and reasoning of others who believe as you do, as you and all others are free to confront me for my own.

And I know you meant me no personal insult when you accused me of wanting to see mothers and babies bleed.

Perhaps the following partial quote will provide some perspective on my underlying motives. It comes from the very gifted, American theoretical physicist, the late Richard P. Feynmen (1918-1988):

"I can live with doubt and uncertainty and not knowing. I think it's much more interesting to live not knowing than to have answers which might be wrong. I have approximate answers and possible beliefs and different degrees of certainty about different things, but I'm not absolutely sure of anything and there are many things I don't know anything about..."

So, just as everybody tells me when I'm feeling full of myself - some more gruffly than others-- I guess I do the same thing.

Hey, too many newsgroups.

:p

/nicefilteroff

Tristan,

Does that satisfy your demand that I modify my behavior?

Banshee,

Oh, at least we can agree upon a mutual love for cats.

Tristan,

I feel myself slipping. You better check out Chagur's sig.

Mr. G. Apologies accepted and your quote is right, but I am some different.
I am born that way, I can't change that nor should I want to change that for it is a nice Gift now I can control all well.
When I was younger it was a pain most of the times, but now it is good to be me.

Being me as I am, with my strange abilities which you don't understand, like a lot of other humans, but that doesn't matter as long as you respect that humans are very different sometimes.

By the way, everybody has to respect other humans feelings and being here.

And yes, I like it about you that you have so many cats, wish I could have so many. But I have not enough room for them, so it stays by the four I have. And I love them deeply, each of them has his/her own personality, I really love them, all of them, everywhere...;)

Ok Tristan, Universes, exactly.
The Spheres we call them, with its Beings and all.
And you use the right word, for flying saucers don't exist.
The right word is Spacecraft and oh, wish I could tell you a lot more.

Aren't you the friend of Shrike?
He knows something about the Crafts too.
Well, you can contact me at the ICQ number I gave you if you want.

I am glad to hear another young person is heading in the right direction. Very glad.
Keep on this way.;)

Try this link:
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/planetearth/comet_bronzeage_011113-1.html

I hardly know tristan but I've been to this post before and...posted on it. Anyhoo I hardly know anything about the spheremen, whatever you wanna call them, banshee told me a lil bih about them but she's definitely the source to go to. I'm not quite sure if I can post anything she's told me here so I won't without her permission.

Every( )thing is true. No( )thing is false.

Filtering noise may always discard vital information. Every idea is the result of a process. There is no single process that contains all data, which in effect means there is no empirical evidence to be found anywhere.

But a singular idea is also a part of the whole. True or false it becomes real by being formulated and therefore excists.

MuliBoy, I have got this information in a complete different way then you are refering to.

I guess you do not understand, but I won't go into this no more.
The messages come to me, I never ask for them.
No fun all the time, but that is the way I am born.

Never asked for being like this, just the way I am born and I had to learn to deal with it, which was very hard.
Believe me, I have had long, rough times handling this properly.
And nowadays 'things' do happen suddenly too, but not often.
I learned to control it, but never ever can I say when something goes wrong, with a certain ability which works at once, where ever I am.
That is no fun at all, for it can happen in the middle of a store or so.
You think that is funny? Then please, think again. I know you can do that. Perhaps a little understanding is nice. Because most humans are afraid or get ticked off, for it is just unknown to them, so they think of it as scary or crazy.
I am not crazy, not scary, just who I am. Respect me please and other humans who have the same 'problem?' like I have.
There are a lot more then you may think.

But you are right in saying that everyone has the right to think his/her thinking is the good way.
That is not what I try to say, I just passed information through to other humans because I was asked to do so.
Never ever do I post 'things' like this.
This time it was necessarry and I am not the only one who is spreading the message.

Wish there was someone at Sciforums who has had the same message. I hardly can believe there is no one here but me.

So, if somebody knows about the message, speak up, don't hide, for it is the time to speak up now....

Thank you.

Originally posted by Stryderunknown
I have been theorising some more and I know someone on here has began touching upon what I feel is the truth.
It's taken me a while to get to the point of writing this as I have been theorising over this and trying to expand the information further (But I lack the all important diagrams that take ages to create. Although you wouldn't suspect that when you see them)

......

Very interesting theory Stryderunknown. I don't know if you have seen any previews of the movie "The One" starring Jet Li. The movie was recently released here in the US. The movie has some outstanding special effects, but the storyline suffers somewhat... but I digress.

What I found very intersting is that a theory on a "multiverse" is put forth in the movie and it almost exactly follows your description.

Who knows, you may be on the right track...

Originally posted by Banshee
MuliBoy, I have got this information in a complete different way then you are refering to.

My post was not aimed at you Banshee.
I know you speak truth. I wrote it for the ones that seem to have a hard time envisioning the scope of what we "spaceheads" speak of :)

Everyone is receiving the message. It is just being filtered out as noise by the ppl who´ve been taught to do so. Conditioning is the word.

We´re in it together :)

Huh?:confused: :confused:

Banshee, et al.,

<<...I have got this information in a complete different way then you...>>

That sounds an awful lot like "Someone told me this, and you should believe it, but I'm not going to tell you who told me so that you can check the validity of the source for yourself. And so you don't think that I don't trust you to know who told me, I'm going to also tell you that I don't want to tell you because I don't want to be laughed at, thereby hoping you will forget to be skeptical so as not to hurt my feelings.

Well, if you don't want my feelings to be hurt, Banshee, you will tell me who told you so that I am not feeling insulted that you don't trust me to know and that you also might be secretly laughing at me (us) for not figuring out the true purpose of your public reasoning, or just for not knowing any better to ask.

So, who/what told you? ;)

Thank you MuliBoy, I was wondering why you posted it allready.
Guess I did a pretty good job in misunderstanding you. I apologize for that.;)
I cannot tell you how it came to me in this thread. I am allready haunted by Mr. G. and the whole 'thing' ticks me off. I will send a PM to let you know.


Tristan, what are you referring to?

Of course, Banshee, my question is not an attack on your person. I am skeptically questioning the validity of your ideas and reasoning.

So, I trust you will respond with reasonable ideas and not as if your person is under attack.

Well i've always thought that we are inside a kind of black hole.

If you get so close to a black hole that you pass inside the "Event horizon" you'd need to travel faster than the speed of light to escape.
Well the universe is expanding at the speed of light so if you could travel faster than the speed of light in our universe for long enough you'd fly out of it. But its impossible (currently) so in effect we could be inside a black hole.

This leads to suggest that blackholes are baby universes, seeded by matter from the parent universe. They'd probably inherit the laws of physics from the parent universe, like we do with genes, but possibly slightly altered laws. Perhaps even a process of evolution occurs with universes? Maybe many millions of universes in the past the laws of physics were simpler, and only now are they complex enough for life to form and to percieve this possiblity?

It turns out I'm not the first to think of this, theres been alot of theorising about this.

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0111/nsauroras_polar.gif

Banshee,

A nice picture, for sure.

Are you meaning to imply that it's the Earth that talks to you, or those pesky Australians?

Banshee,

Why am I suspecting that really you're playing to the sympathies of this community's gullible members?

Yes, Banshee, we are all getting the message, as MuliBoy said too. People are just handling the information different according to how their personalities have evolved.
So you are NOT alone. :) We´re here and we know and feel what is happening. So don´t be afraid that people will think you are crazy, you´re not. It´s they who are afraid who call you crazy.
And for the record, I have been called crazy so many times that I´m beginning to think it´s my middle name ! :D

So keep reminding people of what is good and what is love, and hope. :)

Mr.G,
Shut Up!

Oh, my. It's been a very long time since last I was collectively sat upon and then tickled to near-death.

Banshee,

In textual form, please identify to me your information source(s) so that I may validate it/them for myself. Not telling me makes your source(s) effectively invisible and, thus, indistinguishable from being non-existant. Humor this poor, empirically-minded, spiritual peasant if you can.

Bebelina,

A search of this thread reveals the word crazy appears for the first time in your very own post. You may speak for your friends but not for people of opposing opinion, such as myself.

Tristan,

<<...Mr.G, Shut Up!..>>

I think you shall find the more effective technique to be covering your ears with your hands and then humming loudly. :D

================================

Permit me to digress:

"Banshee,

<<...Mr. G. get of my back, NOW. I have had it with you...>>

My abject apologies for giving you the unintentioned impression that I was singling you out for derision.

It was not my intent to make you think I was attacking you personally. However, it has been my intent to confront your ideas and your reasoning, and the similar ideas and reasoning of others who believe as you do, as you and all others are free to confront me for my own."

"Mr. G. Apologies accepted....everybody has to respect other humans feelings and being here."

=================================

Well, I am here.

Certainly, I do not share many of your collective beliefs and I have very many opinions that are dramtically different than your own. I am not afraid to speak my mind and I accept that my public image will frequently be said not to meet popular standards of herding behavior. I am who I am and I don't require the permission of others to decide what I must be beyond that to which I am willing to acquiesce. I do not take unpopular positions just to be popular. I don't couch my terms in ambiguous niceties. I wear my arrogance on my shirt sleeve for all to see instead of hiding it behind a gratuitous veneer of chameleonic subterfuge.

By your collective's own words, I am here and I am deserving of respect. Or are your words as hollow as your claims to uncommon, special insights and powers?

So, go ahead. Tickle me.

Make my day.

everyone-find a movie called 'the great dictator,' with Charlie Chaplin in it. Watch it. The whole thing, beginning to end. It is a wonderful movie. It will restore your faith in humanity. It speaks for us all, and shows that even in the worst of times a voice of reassurance and of hope can arise from the ashes of fear and despair and help us all from ourselves. If this whole ordeal really is true (I'm sorry, none of you have any proof to back up your claims, I listen to you all but don't necessarily believe you) then you must convince your friends not to do this. If they [the blue men, whatever] are real I want to speak with them immediately, even though the prospect sounds terrifying to me if I find that I've saved the lives of billions of people I think what I've done is worth it. The greedy acts of some of our terrible leaders do not represent us all, in(fact bush doesn't represent the majority of the US and never will.

Humans have created a web of misconception through media that changes the average person's view on the world, but it is not our fault. The rich and the powerful, the elites, are to blame (not all of them-like Daschle). Violence is not the answer. Mass genocide unlike the world has ever, ever seen is not the answer. I'm beginning to think the aliens are afraid of us, afraid of what we could become, how do you know, banshee, bebelina, muliboy, that they were involved with early man and have a direct link with 'mother earth?' If they were truly righteous and dedicated to their cause then they would see that no violence whatsoever is the answer to any of this, it can be fixed nonviolently and if they are really the 'good guys' then they would try to help us first. They are no better than us. What will happen?

Whoever they are, if they wipe us out, they are evil.

I don't know if I believe this, however the prospect of multiple sciforums members getting the same message makes me want to say this. Whoever can speak with them must stop them, somehow. They have no right to do this, no utopia will be established after such a catastrophe, terror, famine, petty wars, feudalism, fascism, it will all occur when leadership is destroyed and mass chaos ensues. What do they wish to accomplish by ahnilated billions of innocent lives? Less than one percent, I bet, of humans are really truly evil, less than one percent are really driven by greed and the demoralizing and suffering of others. Those are the ones to go after. Not everyone.

Look at my quote. You will understand. This is blind destruction.

Blind destruction.

Charlie Chaplin, very nice yes.
But wasn't that 60, 70 years ago?

I have to think then that it was not so bad with Earth as it is now. The last 50 years, the most cruel inventions are made towards the human race by the human race. And it goes on and on. Worse every day.

You should think a little Shrike, my friend, it is a little different in this world nowadays.

In WW2 the first nuclear bomb was used. Nowadays the nukes are much more dangerous and you know what happened in WW2 after they dropped the nuke.
That was pretty bad don't you think? What will hapen if they start nuking eachother in these days you think, with so much more power in the d**n nukes.:confused:

I understand perfectly well what you are saying but I do not agree with you in this.

Mr. G. I shall respect you.

True respect, and therefore trust, would be revealing your source(s). I will apply skeptical standards of evaluation.

The more you resist the more I doubt. Others reading will be lost to you, too.

Life is about risk. Take the risk and feel alive.

That is why they have contacted us in the first place. But they are helping to selfhelp so to speak. Unless we, the humanity, realizes for ourselves what we are doing, the knowledge is useless.
The help comes from within the heart and what messages we recive through the loving consciousness.
There are many kinds of aliens gathering around the Earth at these times, all with different purposes, but one in common, they wouldn´t want to miss this for the world! :D
This change in the physical reality dimension when it´s merging with a higher level is upon us soon, and is a major event thoughout the universe. Many will be affected by this, and therefore they are curiously awaiting, or trying to help, so that the transistion will be as "smooth" as possible.
We will become very aware of other form of existance , in our renewed physical reality. So if we slowly become aware of them before the transition, it will go easier.

Being is living as though absence thereof is a mythical condition of presumptive existential unfairness -- as though contemplative sensitivity is a predetermined certainty of actualnessly being real.

I guarantee that if you kill 2/3 of all humans the truly evil ones that the aliens are going after will not be killed. The human race's image has been corrupted by only a few, if you go anywhere in the world, NYC, Ellsworth (ME), Hong Kong, Moscow, Brasilla, Johanasburg, Kabul-you will find good people everywhere. The leaders are at fault, and the ones that actually lead them. If 2/3 of all humans are going to die no utopia would be created, terror of the same thing occuring again would be widespread and no one would be happy. Killing us off is not the answer. They are no more advanced intellectually then we are, if not worse. If this whole thing really is true than there is likely a much more sinister plot behind all of this.

I know I sound strung up but if the weight of 2 or 3 billion people is on my shoulders I think I'd like to get my point across. Anyone who can speak with them now tell them to come to me immediately, I guarantee I'll straighten them out. They have no right...

by the way, bansh, I'm not thinking like a human.

I'm thinking RATIONALLY.

Mr. G,
I can respect you too. I have no problem with you speaking your mind. Its when you do childish things and insult people that i can't respect you. Your obviously a cultured adult with your vary impressive vocabulary. So just don't insult people and when I said One word response i ment "YES" or "NO". Don't try to turn it into a mind game or a paragraph with no spaces. Come on, act your age.

Tristan,

<<...and when I said One word response i ment "YES" or "NO"...>>

And by what reasoning do you imagine I must obey your commands like a circus animal?

<<...Don't try to turn it into a mind game...>>

Attempting to predetermine my own response by artifical limitation, for your own hidden purposes, is not the same thing?

Bebelina, thank you so much.

I have nothing to add to this. She said it so right.

For the moment I will keep quite. Thank you my good girlfriend, as always. We will know soon enough, everybody gets the signals now.

They come from all over the Planet and I hear them. There are so many more who notice the signs one way or another, there is no doubt about it. There is something coming up pretty soon...

Shrike, rational thinking is human thinking, listen to your Inner feelings and don't think so much. Because of all those thinking you are getting lost and you loose the track you were walking on.
Watch yourself please, you were doing so fine...:(

please just ask them to speak with me. Anyone ask them.

How can you believe that the deaths of 2.7 (rounded) billion people is just? I am listening to my feelings, these people are innocent, they have done nothing wrong, most of them are probably in Chinese prisons or dying of AIDS in Africa, the truly evil people are so few, the human race has made so many mistakes but they were accidents due to our foolishness, they were not done purposely to hurt mother earth and piss of genocidal aliens, if we know Earth had a soul then we would stop immediately. But we would have to be sure.

What is coming soon? Tell me please!!!

Please read my last post again! :D

Mr G, since your arrogant attitude I had decided not to speak to you any more, "ingnore it and it will go away" -type of thing.
But now I realize that you only suffer from the consquenses of a crippled belief-system, so an upgrade would be beneficial for your ability to communicate with other humans in a more rewarding way. :)

Hahaha, good one Bebelina.

Sorry Mr. G. this was to tempting, haha.:p :p

Sorry, but I've played long enough to have already earned more than enough anti-ad hominem points to protect me from last resort titillations.

:p

so beb you're saying that instead of almost everyone being slaughtered our dimension is going to emerge with another (hell)? Does this mean we'll all become psychics? What are the ramifications of a dimensional merge? At least in your opinion.

Do we all become Psychics???

You wish....:p

It doen't work that way Shrike, again...
But a nice remark.

To explore your ESP abilities you have to change your whole attitude, not live so much by your thoughts.

Try to live by listening to your Inner feelings and handle by your feelings.
It is just because of that human thinking that humans have lost their bounds with Earth and Nature.

Don't forget we were the last creatures who crawled out of the Seas.
Humans have got the possibility to communicate...but even that they cannot do any more so well.:mad:
All most humans do nowadays is arguing and distrust eachother, they lost the ability of good communication towards one another...

All we have to do is make sure we keep talking...:)

And listen very well to yourself, your own Inner feelings and handle from there to your fellow humans. It will make a whole difference, certainly as humans should realize this.
But I am afraid it is too late and most humans don't want to have communication with other humans any more because they are too badly hurt by them, that is so sad about this human race.
They prefer to THINK only of themselves and their material luxury.

And can't care less about other humans feelings.:confused:

I believe we all can become psychics, but that it´s a matter of choice. To become a psychic you must willingly trust the universe to guide you right, and not depend on the material world anymore. Those who cannot take that step into trusting your inner senses, listening to your heart, will only experience the merging to a higher level as very apocalyptic and painful. Then their survival instincts will guide them right, or they will die, to be reborn in the new world. :)

So if the change is to be painful or joyous is totally up to you.

This change has to take place now, because a cycle is coming to an end, and another is starting, so it´s nature, it can´t be stopped. It´s the end of the end and the beginning of the beginning. The evolutional spiral is going up a notch. :)

YES, EXACTLY...;) :p

what is changing? Please tell me.

I'm sorry if I misunderstood but the deaths of 2.7 billion people sounded bad to me. I guess I'm going nuts.

Example: I am stranded miles away from help in the rocky mountains. I have a compass. I do not choose to use it, because I need to trust the universe to help guide me and not rely on material things? Is that what you mean?

Yes Tristan, that is a good example of it.

But to lead you guide only by trusting on the Universe is not enough.
You have to know where you go. So you look up at the stars and the Moon (if She is there) and let you guide by Them, for They are part of the Universe, so They are part of you and you can trust your feelings then and lead you guide your way out by only the Moon and the Stars.;)

Shrike, when are you going to stop nagging about 2/3 of the worlds population that is going to be wiped away?

There are no individuals picked out here, there will be a great Natural disaster and where and how, well, we shall see when it comes....

Don't worry so much, it is no big deal, part of the Cosmos, every once in a while as Earth is tired and angry with the little pests on Her back, she throws them off.
Just part of the Cosmos. Those who will remain shall find out when they remain. If not, you are just going back to the Cosmos.
Is that so hard to deal wth for you?
Why?

It is all part of Nature and the Cosmos, really, I can't care less if I shall be wiped away...:p

this is too much. I'm sorry, I liked bebelina's explanation better.

Isn't it rather interesting that all this psychobabble stuff is considered by some to be a status symbol?

Curious. If you don't subscribe to it, you're obviously "too educated to understand".

So, you have to stop thinking to be one of the special, chosen ones?

:rolleyes:

kind of let us think about this for just a moment.

this is all kinda neet until we consider two things.
1) the event horizon, this is the area which in a black hole,mater is converted into energy,(remember E=M C 2 ) thus creating the massive gamma and x ray
bursters which we can observe from the H.S.T.
2) the radiation generated by a black hole, will act as a stellar auto-clave so
as to render any mater ejected "on the other side " sterile, and thus devoid
of any of the necessary building blocks of life ie: amino acids, complex carbo-
hydrates, etc.
Don't stop thinking at 14 with these things going on in your head you will get
it right one of these days

cygnusco24

I do agree with you thus far as you say not to stop thinking at the age of 14.
Off course you have to think, without thinking at all, you cannot manage your way in this humans world.:)

All I was trying to explain is that you have to listen better to your Inner feelings and look for a good balance between acting from without your Inner feelings and your thinking.

This E=Mc2 is just a theory to help humans to calculate things out, again an invention by the human race. It worked so well because the humans nowadays live more from without their thinking alone and lost the contact with their Inner feelings.

But that doesn't matter, everybody has the right to live his/her own way in this lifetime.;)

But I have to say there are more and more (young) humans who act from without their Inner feelings and can handle from out there.
But that doesn't mean you cannot think, it is the way to combine the two. That is what I try to explain.

A good reply, thank you.:)

Shrike, have fun with Bebelina, I shall tell her to look for your PM's...:p

Is always within you. Since we live in a physical world for the reason to learn within the physical realm we must also trust to learn that the materia we interact with are all part of the same universe as we are.
The buildingblocks that make up the compass are the same as yours and everything else. The universal consciousness resides in all that is, including humans and compasses. The manifestation of a compass provided to you stranded on a rocky mountain is the universe helping you. You should use it if you don´t trust your inner capability to guide you right. If you do however, then what is the use of the compass? Then it just becomes another piece of materia to carry around for no reason.
So it´s a matter of realizing what the physical world is, provides and why. And when you have done that you are able to transcend it.

Mr G...:rolleyes:, "too educated to understand" ?????? :D :D :D

Well, I guess just because Mr. G. is too well educated as he THINKS he is, he doesn't have any feelings left to feel and therefor certainly no Inner compass to relie on.

Too well educated, oh man, I can't stop laughing any more about his skeptic educated posts. All from the Internet or some maybe copied from a book or so.:p :p

Don't even read them...Too well educated. haha.

Go on Mr. G. have fun typing it all down, it won't be read by me any more, it is too well educated.;)

I am sorry for this reply, totally off-topic, but it really was too tempting.....

It just seems to me now that this whole thing about everybody dying just makes no sense. Why is Earth waiting, why didn't he/she do it before things got out of hand? It seems impossible. Only organic things have souls. The Earth is not organic. In fact, there is nothing on Earth that is not organic that has a soul. If I pick up my watch and toss it around it doesn't get pissed off because it doesn't have a soul.