I'm ready to vote independent.

Check out my new website:

Corporate America on-the-cheap (http://www.angelfire.com/hi5/on-the-cheap/index.html)

Republicans and democrats can both kiss-off. :rolleyes:

What do y'all think?

Woody: I'm ready to vote independent.

Check out my new website:

Corporate America on-the-cheap (http://www.angelfire.com/hi5/on-the-cheap/index.html)

Republicans and democrats can both kiss-off. :rolleyes:

What do y'all think?
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M*W: I think you are just another psychotic paranoid brainwashed christian zombie who shows no value for human life. Besides that, you're a stupid redneck hick. (And I for one never thought I would call anyone that!) I feel sorry for your wife. You're probably holding her hostage! I know your type! Does anyone out there want to place a bet with me? Woody is so vastly anal retentive that he will end up with prostate cancer for "saving" himself for marriage! You make me want to vomit. I think you are a latent homosexual, otherwise you wouldn't be so averse to alternative lifestyles. If Christianity preaches this, it is Christianity who is false. And, yes, we all know that Christianity is one big fat lie. Woody, get a life, get laid, and go pray to your god who doesn't exist. You are a pathetic excuse for a human being. If you think you are a positive example of a christian, you disgrace the whole religion, and you defame this forum. I can only imagine what it would be like for a couple of gay men to beat you senseless, tie you to a post, and leave you for dead, like they did Matthew Shepard. You deserve it. Fuck christianity. It bites the big one!

^Wow.

Is that site supposed to be a joke? Whether it is or not, it's poorly put together, and quite gimmicky and unimpressive.

M*W, ... Wow. I think so many things of your post that all I can really say to that is "wow".

WOW, MW I see you really checked out my web-site. Are your sex toys made in China? I must have hit a nerve. Er...buy american made sex toys!

Hamster Your pretty cool. Tell me how communist China motivates people to work. It didn't work for Russia.

Athelwulf said: Is that site supposed to be a joke?

Woody: No it is not a joke, our government is a joke. Did you check out the links on the website? They were carefully researched. Does anybody here work a real job besides me?

Posting this thread in Reilgion sub-forum shows that your site is a religious work for you.

: I think you are just another psychotic paranoid brainwashed christian zombie who shows no value for human life. Besides that, you're a stupid redneck hick. (And I for one never thought I would call anyone that!) I feel sorry for your wife. You're probably holding her hostage! I know your type! Does anyone out there want to place a bet with me? Woody is so vastly anal retentive that he will end up with prostate cancer for "saving" himself for marriage! You make me want to vomit. I think you are a latent homosexual, otherwise you wouldn't be so averse to alternative lifestyles. If Christianity preaches this, it is Christianity who is false. And, yes, we all know that Christianity is one big fat lie. Woody, get a life, get laid, and go pray to your god who doesn't exist. You are a pathetic excuse for a human being. If you think you are a positive example of a christian, you disgrace the whole religion, and you defame this forum. I can only imagine what it would be like for a couple of gay men to beat you senseless, tie you to a post, and leave you for dead, like they did Matthew Shepard. You deserve it. Fuck christianity. It bites the big one!
You didn't even visit the site, did you? Woody did not deserve such comments, the site was not religious, but political. He is trying to reclaim the conservative movement from the corporatist neo-cons that have taken over.

Hmmmm, just a promo for Angelfire.......

Dang! You make me want to have my own website too.

I think you are just another psychotic paranoid brainwashed christian zombie who shows no value for human life. Besides that, you're a stupid redneck hick. (And I for one never thought I would call anyone that!) I feel sorry for your wife. You're probably holding her hostage! I know your type! Does anyone out there want to place a bet with me? Woody is so vastly anal retentive that he will end up with prostate cancer for "saving" himself for marriage! You make me want to vomit. I think you are a latent homosexual, otherwise you wouldn't be so averse to alternative lifestyles. If Christianity preaches this, it is Christianity who is false. And, yes, we all know that Christianity is one big fat lie. Woody, get a life, get laid, and go pray to your god who doesn't exist. You are a pathetic excuse for a human being. If you think you are a positive example of a christian, you disgrace the whole religion, and you defame this forum. I can only imagine what it would be like for a couple of gay men to beat you senseless, tie you to a post, and leave you for dead, like they did Matthew Shepard. You deserve it. Fuck christianity. It bites the big one!

u need to get laid! :p

Truly amazing...

All of bush's fuckups the fundies love; and when he actually makes sense they hate him...

Does your christian love consider that while you without a job get free money from the government, someone without a job in china or india might simply starve to death?

If you lose your job to someone else; it simply means you aren't worth the salary you demand.

It's your problem, not the government's.

Sushi Guy,

What do you think about this guy:

WHEREAS, in 1999 Bank of America CEO Hugh McColl received total compensation of more than $48 million (up from $3.5 million in 1998) while Bank of America shareholders experienced a 14% loss on their investment (versus a 21% gain in the S&P500 index) and 10,000 Bank of America employees (7% of the company's workforce) lost their jobs;
http://www.responsiblewealth.org/shareholder/2001/bankamerica_2001.html

So you are saying those 10,000 people deserved to lose their jobs, and the shareholders deserved a 14% loss, while the CEO got a $44.5 million pay raise for doing such a "great job." Do you have any idea how much money that is? In your opinion, does this look like free market enterprise at work? $44.5 million would pay for a lot of jobs that were lost.

You are right right about one thing, this is my problem, and everyone else's problem that works for these pirates.

A business is different from a charity. If a worker is not profitable, you fire his ass. You don't know the full story of what happened there; the CEO probably did do the best job he could. FOR THE COMPANY, not the employees. As It Should.

Medicine*Woman, seriously that was a vicious diatribe that Woody did not deserve, at least not for posting this thread. As far as I could see the word Christian did not appear on the site once, and if it did it still did not justify implying that he's abusing his wife and a "latent homosexual" (an accusation I tend to associate with homophobes).

Seriously, if you don't like the guy, just ignore him. Spouting vitriol like that would only make things worse if Woody was just an ignorant troll, but I don't even think he's that.

Your hatred for Christianity is getting so extreme, it sounds to me like you're actually on the point of being converted! If you have issues, address those, please stop blindly characterising any religion merely as "a big fat lie".

Sushupti said:

A business is different from a charity. If a worker is not profitable, you fire his ass. You don't know the full story of what happened there; the CEO probably did do the best job he could. FOR THE COMPANY, not the employees. As It Should.

Woody says: Geez a 14% loss was the best thing for the company? Who is "the company"? It is not the shareholders --they are the ones filing the complaint.

Business IS a charity for the CEOs. I call it "wealthfare." And I call CEOs "IOUs" (Insanely overcompensated useless) executives. They jump ship with their golden parachutes leaving their companies in bankruptcy after giving themselves these huge 50% annual pay raises on average. Do you think CEOs deserve 50% annual payraises on the average?

What country do you live in? Why don't you research my web links? It hasn't always been this way. Only since the 90s.

http://www.angelfire.com/hi5/on-the-cheap/index.html

Both democrats and republicans are guilty of the problem, and they are trying to make badly needed reforms on out-of-contol corporate governance.

...and conservatives still refuse to admit that Reagan's admin. gave everything this country was founded upon away.

While there is no way to change what has happened, there is still the fact that many of those same people that compromised all that we assumed in stone, have not been taken out of power.

Still don't know why this is posted in the Religion Forum???

conumdrum2u said: ...and conservatives still refuse to admit that Reagan's admin. gave everything this country was founded upon away.

Woody says: Have you been "NAFTA-sized" yet? We can thank Clinton for that one.

The repubs look out for the rich, the demos look out for the down-and-out, but who looks out for the working people? That's who I want to vote for.

I posted here on the religion forum, because I am better known here. Some people might be surprised to find out I'm not all that pleased with the repubs either. A growing number of christians have already left the democratic party and they are ready to leave the republican party as well. I know two that voted independent in the last election for president.

The eagle was cool!. ;)

Other than that it looked like anyother conspiracy/anti-government type of website.

My favorite is www.whatreallyhappened.com Now these people try harder at bringing alternative news. Also try www.buzzflash.com they are very effictive blogs that work.

Godless

Godless,

I liked your two sites alot. Another good one is AfterDowningStreet.org (http://www.AfterDowningStreet.org) .

Right now, hearings are scheduled for sometime on June 16, 2005 by Rep. John Conyers ( From Michigan, I think), concerning the Downing Street memo that seems to say that Pres. Bush was making plans to go to war with Iraq as early as the summer of 2002, while telling us and Congress that he wasn't. There is also talk that he was planning to fabricate intelligence about Iraq's WMD program in order to justify going to war, but that is what the hearings are going to be about. Hopefully, the truth will come out. It would be nice to see this Christian hypocrite eat some crow.

CT3000

Silas: Medicine*Woman, seriously that was a vicious diatribe that Woody did not deserve, at least not for posting this thread.
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M*W: Silas, Woody deserved everything I stated. You may not see it now, but you will.
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Silas: As far as I could see the word Christian did not appear on the site once, and if it did it still did not justify implying that he's abusing his wife and a "latent homosexual" (an accusation I tend to associate with homophobes).
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M*W: I know men who claim to be christians who abuse their wives. Seems like the two go hand-in-hand.
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Silas: Seriously, if you don't like the guy, just ignore him. Spouting vitriol like that would only make things worse if Woody was just an ignorant troll, but I don't even think he's that.
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M*W: Sometimes spouting vitriol is needed, and in this case, I believe that to be true.
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Silas: Your hatred for Christianity is getting so extreme, it sounds to me like you're actually on the point of being converted!
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M*W: I do hate christianity, but it is not more extreme than any other hater of christianity. I can never be reconverted, though!
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Silas: If you have issues, address those, please stop blindly characterising any religion merely as "a big fat lie".
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M*W: Sorry, Silas, I cannot stop characterizing christianity as being "a big fat lie." That's what it is. If you don't like what I say, put me on ignore.

Sorry, Woody, but voting independent is exactly what the cons want us to do. Democrats support labor unions, democrats support increasing the minimum wage, democrats are trying to stick up for the worker. NAFTA was one of Clinton's mistakes, at least democrats can admit when they do something wrong. No one but a democrat has a chance in hell of defeating the GOP.

S/G says: Democrats support labor unions, democrats support increasing the minimum wage, democrats are trying to stick up for the worker.

Woody says: sorry, I just don't see democrats helping me. I'm not in a labor union, I'm nowhere close to minimum wage, but I do work for a living. Democrats ignore me and my kind, they consider anyone over about $80K per year to be "highly compensated." $80K/year is enough for somebody to afford a small house and a family, but nowhere close to being "rich" as the democrats claim.

After about $80K/year there is no more paycheck deduction for social security/medicare though they all go in the same pot as federal tax dollars. So in effect the tax system is regressive at this transition point on the income tax profile curve. The tax is called "social security and medicare" just to make you feel better about paying what amounts to federal income tax. As my CPA said, "it all goes in the same pot and it all comes out of the same pot. They can give it three names but it's all the same."

The impression I get about the democrats, is they are heavy on the pork barrel, and they want everyone to be dependant on the government so they can be in control.

As for the repubs, who gives a rat's ass about death taxes unless they have parents with about $5 million dollars sitting around. That certainly is not me. Is it you or anybody else? probably not.

We are left out of the political equation and both parties are at fault. I like the demos even less than the repubs. They are all poor choices in my opinion.

MW says: Silas, Woody deserved everything I stated. You may not see it now, but you will.

Woody says: You just didn't like getting "exposed" on the gnostic gospels, which you don't believe, though you pretended otherwise. It was that circular argument that lapsed between believing something, then not believing it, and then back around -- remember?

http://www.angelfire.com/folk/primecuts/man_head_spinning_sm_nwm.gif

I was "under the influence of medicine woman." How could I forget that experience?

I checked out your recomended site. It was cool. I have some that may interest you further. I don't care if you are a Christian, as Long as we can respect one another it's ok. Seems we have a common enemy. :D

Christians against Bush (http://mnl_1221.tripod.com/kerrybush.html)

click (http://dfa.bmgbiz.net/evangelical.html)

click (http://www.publicchristian.com/)

However I'm a Republican, though I felt betrayed, feel betrayed. And this administration does not represent conservativism.

Click (http://www.republicansforkerry04.org/)

Republicans against Bush (http://www.republicansagainstbush.info/)

Click (http://www.thoughtfulpolitics.citymaker.com/page/page/1322728.htm)

The only thing that I have against Christians or any religious denomination is when they try to FORCE their views upon the rest of us. And that is what this administration is so doing. They are forcing their religious agenda with the use of public money "our tax dollars" for religious initiative. I totally believe in the seperation of Church & State.

click (http://www.au.org/site/PageServer)

click (http://members.tripod.com/~candst/)

Seperation of Church & State myths and misconceptions (http://atheism.about.com/library/FAQs/cs/blcsm_index.htm)

The seperation of Church & State is not only to protect the rest of us from some religious denomination, but it serves to protect all religious denominations to worship freely from government interference. It also protect us that don't adhire to any particular religious denomination. Such as Atheists, Humanists, Secularists, Agnostics, in essence to protect the American people from religious prosecutions for not following a State mandated religious denomination.

Godless

Woody: MW says: Silas, Woody deserved everything I stated. You may not see it now, but you will.

Woody says: You just didn't like getting "exposed" on the gnostic gospels, which you don't believe, though you pretended otherwise. It was that circular argument that lapsed between believing something, then not believing it, and then back around -- remember?
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M*W: I wasn't 'exposed' on the gnostic gospels! I didn't write them! But, whomever did knew what they were talking about. Like you, Woody, they didn't accept their local government as law. The parties have changed. What used to be the democratic South is now the Republican South, and I'm grateful for that. It was only 30 some years ago that my parents were dyed-in-the-wool democrats, but if they were alive today, they'd be dyed-in-the-wool republicans. Nothing ever stays the same. Of course they would probably dis me for being republican, but that's okay. The Republican Party cares about the 'little man.' Democrats only care about themselves. The parties change over time. The independents will never make a solid showing, but sometimes thiss is wrong. Personally, I vote a solid female ticket.

http://www.angelfire.com/folk/primecuts/man_head_spinning_sm_nwm.gif

I was "under the influence of medicine woman." How could I forget that experience?[/QUOTE]

Woody says: Geez a 14% loss was the best thing for the company? Who is "the company"? It is not the shareholders --they are the ones filing the complaint.

The company is the company. Why do you assume the loss was the CEO"s fault?

Business IS a charity for the CEOs. I call it "wealthfare." And I call CEOs "IOUs" (Insanely overcompensated useless) executives. They jump ship with their golden parachutes leaving their companies in bankruptcy after giving themselves these huge 50% annual pay raises on average. Do you think CEOs deserve 50% annual payraises on the average?

So do. Some don't. Like everyhting else in real life... You say CEO like everry one of them was part of some sort of hive mind...

What country do you live in? Why don't you research my web links? It hasn't always been this way. Only since the 90s.

What difference does it make what country I live in? I didn't 'research' them because they hurt my head at the time.. I might later. You think thw world was better in the 80s?

http://www.angelfire.com/hi5/on-the-cheap/index.html

Both democrats and republicans are guilty of the problem, and they are trying to make badly needed reforms on out-of-contol corporate governance.

It's not the government's fault it's the PEOPLE's fault..... you know, the people who pick the governments?

Shushupti says: I didn't 'research' them because they hurt my head at the time.. I might later.

Woody says: The Wall Street Journal hurts your head?

Shus says: The company is the company. Why do you assume the loss was the CEO"s fault?

Woody says: I did not say it was his fault. The shareholders say the $45 million bonus sends the wrong signal to everyone when the CEO wins and everyone else loses. Have you ever heard of leading by example?

Shus says: What difference does it make what country I live in?

Woody says: It makes plenty of difference. If you live and work in america you understand what is happening. You apparantly do not live in america. The technical people from india aren't exactly pleased with the H1b visa either. Some of them wrote their own testimonials about it. I can't fault them for wanting a better way of life, but they are being used and abused. Listen to what some of them say. Are we going to be a civil society or not?

Shus says: It's not the government's fault it's the PEOPLE's fault..... you know, the people who pick the governments?

Woody says: Actually, it is the government's fault, they are supposed to represent the people and they do not. We only have two realistic alternatives: republican and democrat. If someone starts another party, I will consider voting for them. What other choices do we have?

Answer this question: Do you think CEOs deserve 50% annual pay raises for eternity? If this trend continues then CEOs will make all the money in the world and all the rest of us will work for free. Think about it.

Woody: I was "under the influence of medicine woman." How could I forget that experience?
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M*W: Woody, you could only be 'influenced' by me if you chose to be!

I will admit, that I find you a willing participant to find out the truth! That's okay. You are searching, and you will find. I, myself, do not have any 'power'. I can only lead you to the truth. But, you are not a willing subject, so there is nothing I can do to bring the truth to you! It's your choice. What is it that you want if me? How can I help you seek the truth? Just let me know and I will stand by you through all temptations. Waiting to hear from you, Woody. I'm waiting to set you free.

M*W says: Woody, you could only be 'influenced' by me if you chose to be!

Woody says: I appreciate the thought, but actually I was trying to follow your argument all the way through. The "influence" is the circular spin your argument goes through. The path seems to be almost straight in places, but when I put all the pieces together it's one big circle. The circle alternates between believing and not believing the same sets of facts.

yank: u need to get laid! :p
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M*W: Never you mind! I have no problem getting laid!