My God, the One True God, is real. She is a six-breasted leather-clad dominatrix from Jupiter currently living in a luxury condo inside Europa, with her twelve lusty virgins, all of whom will be mine after I die. She created the universe just to produce me, through trial and error, eventually to serve - and service ;) - her. She is the only real God, all others are mere fairtales. My God is real. You are all fools to believe otherwise.

Whatsupyall, Inspector, disprove it.

I am God, and I have no partners.

*Smites Adam*

Disprove it.

whatsupyall, inspector...

your inability to disprove adam has been duly noted...

All obey Adam for Adam is life!!

Sissies...

[tasteless joke]

Adam is bigger/better than the Titanic.

...after all, only 400 women went down on the Titanic :D

[/tasteless joke]

400??? Freak. The number of women I've slept with is... well, it's in single digits. I've never been once to sleep around a lot, and also I am very shy around women. Mostly they have been stable, long-term relationships.

awwww Adam.

I sympaphise with you. Been there....am there :(

Disrobing this thread of all covering with amorous care...

...I must say I agree with the basic point here. I might add a challenge for anyone to prove it, as well as disprove it.

Inspector, whatmuscles, give it a shot!!

*eyes them craftily and opens a carnival booth*

POTSHOTS EVERYONE!! :D

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There is no god, afterlife or divine love. There is only Entropy, the mother from which we were all born. She tugs our souls with the beautiful, maternal love of chaos. Why do you keep Her waiting?

*waits eagerly in wings, armful of rotten tomatoes ready to go*

I'm still waiting for Whatsupyall or Inspector to have a go at answering my opening post in this thread. Maybe they can't.

HAVE EYES BUT CANT SEE...
I see, I see, I see - ... the one, the finger - ADAM

Whatsupmuscles, you haven't even remotely answered the question. Please do so promptly or step down from the carnival booth and give someone else a shot.

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From Kung Fu - Seek not to find the answers but to understand the questions.

It is not that whatsup can't answer, it is that he doesn't understand the questions. Until he can understand the issues he can only respond in gibberish, which is exactly what we see.

Correct correct. Now let's all grab a log and ... THWAP whatsmuscles.

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How much time do you think he spends actually trying to see where other posts come from, viewpoint-wise? I'm guessing he just checks for atheist content, randomly quotes parts of it and cuts/pastes parts from his biblebanging/atheistbashing catechist collection. 0 seconds is my estimate.

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Originally posted by Adam
Whatsupyall, Inspector, disprove it.

Can I have a shot? The only true God is MY God! My God is a speck on a piece of paper that you can't see until you have stared at the paper for an infinitely long amount of time.

Since my God is the only true God, your God must not exist.

Weeee, these circular arguments can take you for a ride!! This is a carnival, right? Wait, was I supposed to provide a valid argument? Well, this argument needs a little faith instead - is that cool?

narrow minded atheists talking to another narrow minded atheists; you guys need education...

Thats ALL the argument you can ever gather, giant purple squid monkey and fuzzy pink elephants...When will you kids grow up? Will you ever grow up? Noone made that claim, and noone believed that claim is real...(maybe kids and retards)...

Muscleman, do me a favour. Don't get another name. I've started reading the bible and I'm 'bending' towards it. But everytime I read one of your posts I come back to square 1 again (atheist) Was it not enough that everyone put your muscleman name on ignore?

Your annoying, pityful, repetitive arguements really don't show people the way. Do me and everyone a favour and don't be an asshole. Do you think everytime you call atheists kids, that they see 'the light'? That they magically drop everything and bow down to God? No I didn't think so either.

Arn't you supposed to help us find the way?. Instead you turn us further and further and insult the educated by calling them uneducated, the truthful - liars, the honest - unhonest.

*starts kissing whatsup's feet*
You are the Source of Omnipowerful Knowledge, oh Saint and Sage! You are the true Intellect of Sciforums! Big Brother! We should all abandon our views and lives and dedicate ourselves to you and learn from your Astonishing Wisdom! Your mind is like a god's, all-tolerant and all-knowing!

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And still, they have not answered my initial post. Weaklings. They have no faith...

Adam, to pray to your god do we give god the finger, as suggested in your avatar? :D :D :D

A more serious note though... To whatsupyall claiming that since athiests claim there is no God they are the ones with the burden of proof...

It is impossible to prove something does not exist. It is, however, possible to prove something does exist. Thus the burden of proof lies on your shoulders. This is why athiests always say they would believe in a God if there were ANY reason, but you never give us any...

But noooo, will he listen? *everyone chimes in*

NOOOOOOOOO!!!!

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There is no god, afterlife or divine love. There is only Entropy, the mother from which we were all born. She tugs our souls with the beautiful, maternal love of chaos. Why do you keep Her waiting?

Originally posted by notme2000
Adam, to pray to your god do we give god the finger, as suggested in your avatar? :D :D :D
Yes. :p

Say, where did your avatar come from? Any anecdote?

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I found it among the many groovy pictures at www.renderosity.com

Originally posted by Zero
*starts kissing whatsup's feet*
You are the Source of Omnipowerful Knowledge, oh Saint and Sage! You are the true Intellect of Sciforums! Big Brother! We should all abandon our views and lives and dedicate ourselves to you and learn from your Astonishing Wisdom! Your mind is like a god's, all-tolerant and all-knowing!

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Thanks, but really, Im not that smart. I just have common sense and functioning brain, thats all, thats why I believe in God...
What about you? Do you live by "What feels good?" If so your not giving your brain the chance to function, thats why your an atheist. ;)

Notice he does not reply to my post...:bugeye:

Ignore him. He is a waste of time.

I SOOO want to, but I don't want to burn bridges. I sometimes learn why NOT to do things the way he does through him, which is just as important as anything I guess...

Originally posted by whatsupyall
Thanks, but really, Im not that smart. I just have common sense and functioning brain, thats all, thats why I believe in God...
What about you? Do you live by "What feels good?" If so your not giving your brain the chance to function, thats why your an atheist. ;)

judge not yest ye be judged

So... does this mean you can't respond to my initial post to this thread?

Is anyone else convinced by what Whatsupyall said?

No? Thought not

Look, everyone, here's the deal. Ignore this guy. Its obvious this guy is only allowed on the Computer at the institute for a little while everyday, so let's help him. If we ignore him, he'll go away and do something that doesn't finish with him looking like a jackass.

Arn't you supposed to help us find the way?. Instead you turn us further and further and insult the educated by calling them uneducated, the truthful - liars, the honest - unhonest.
This is a great line and Whatsupyall should seriously take it into consideration!!!
He still thinks calling everyone "kids" or "children" makes him look superior. It makes him look pathetic. I've learnt about all this in Psychology. Its pretty sad.

You can't wake the dead man by poking him with a stick


I can't believe Whatsupyall used to be an Athiest :rolleyes:

Inspector, disprove it.
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You have already done that for me.

BTW, if you want to hold a conversation with me, then you will have to converse with me via PM.........at that time, will I present more evidences to than you can comprehend. However, upon reviewing your past commentaries, I do not consider you to be willing to learn the truth, since your motives are simply confrontational. Do not categorize me with supyall, or anyone else for that matter, as I speak only for myself. The actions of others are not mine, nor your, responsibility. ;-)

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Note that Inspector, too, has been unable to respond to my opening post...

Adam, stop wasting your time. A sufficiently logical challenge will never come, at least not from whatsup (or catsup, whatever) or inspector. Your point is basically won. Or not...since there was no challenge in the first place except yours...it's like a heavily armored paladin challenging a bunch of peons to one on one combat...no one will even mount a halfway decent one.

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And regarding my opening post...?

Man, if only I could get my friend to join. He goes to church AND he's very logical.

We need some sensible theists here capable of logical argument.

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Yep, you're right. Game over.

And let's not reply when inspector/catsupmuscles rage in to say "you cop out we won ha ha ha". There is no point in replying. In fact, I highly recommend that you and every other selfrespecting sciforummer to start ignoring them . They do nothing to the forums except pull down its quality.

At least ekimlaw wasn't that bad. Where is he?

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Originally posted by Adam
My God, the One True God, is real. She is a six-breasted leather-clad dominatrix from Jupiter currently living in a luxury condo inside Europa, with her twelve lusty virgins, all of whom will be mine after I die. She created the universe just to produce me, through trial and error, eventually to serve - and service ;) - her. She is the only real God, all others are mere fairtales. My God is real. You are all fools to believe otherwise.

Whatsupyall, Inspector, disprove it.

Atheist will say "Your right, there is no proof God is fake, u can never prove a negative. If God is not fake because u want proof he is, then prove to me tooth fairies/unicorns don’t hover around earth every night".

Christian say "You can prove claim is fake by lack of evidence. God is full of evidence u refuse to accept, cancers cured/healing/millions eyewitnesses/prophesies, etc./ U may call it coincidence, etc. that’s your opinion FACT is they TOOK PLACE. Ur opinion can’t change reality. Sorry...

THE BURDEN OF PROOF LIES ON THOSE WHO MAKE THE CLAIM....

What evidence do u have of tooth fairy? How many eyewitnesses? Millions? If tooth fairies plucked out a teeth, is there any scientific investigation done to it?/ If so can u show it? How many testified? Show me healing, supernatural/miracles documented in the name of tooth fairy. How many died for tooth fairy to verify its value? / Thousands? Is there a Historical location of it? If so, where? Give up? Well tooth fairy because of its lack of evidence is fake. Period...

IF YOU MAKE A CLAIM GOD IS FAKE, THEN THE BURDEN OF PROOF LIES ON YOU AS WELL...

Note: Adam, child, you actually think I didnt respond to this because I cant? I didnt bother earlier because I have answered this so many times, BUT YOU HAVE EARS BUT CANT HEAR, HAVE EYES BUT CANT SEE...

And I bet you still didnt get this.........

Originally posted by notme2000
A more serious note though... To whatsupyall claiming that since athiests claim there is no God they are the ones with the burden of proof...

It is impossible to prove something does not exist. It is, however, possible to prove something does exist. Thus the burden of proof lies on your shoulders. This is why athiests always say they would believe in a God if there were ANY reason, but you never give us any...

Listen notme2000, and for all the atheists...It's very smple if you want to disprove God...I can summarize it in 2 ways..

1. Create life forms, in doing these you eliminate the need of a "Lifegiver"....

(For many believers,like the caveman analogy, linking to God what they dont understand.)
2. Eliminate all supernatural claims, for it gives God the chance to exist who is beyond the laws of nature. In other words disprove the paranormal claim of miracles, such as the bleeding statues in Japan, to south america, etc. claims of haunted houses, demonstrate that such occurences are just "static electricity" running around the house. When someone is hearing voices asking them to kill their parents and family, this can b linked to demon possesion "schizophrenic", now disprove its not and demonstrate that it is just the "BRAIN CHEMICALS".... Disprove people's testimonies, from Christians slain in spirit, to those who have incurable cancers healed in prayers, to those who claimed to have seen paranormal vision, disprove them by demonstrating that it is just the "BRAIN CHEMICAL"....(Furthermore, you can also disprove God by disproving moral values and virtues is not effective, that it cannot come from God that wishes we must get along, as a father wishes best for his children.)

If you can do above, I will immediately become atheist, because it eliminates the role of God. BUT UNTIL THEN, SHUT YOUR HOLE, YOU HAVE NO BASIS IN YOUR ARGUMENT BUT JUST RANTS AND RAMBLE...

Now the proof of God, Ill also summarize it to two...But if u look deeper, theres much more to it....

1. Bleeding statues, faith healing, milllions of testimony, etc. proven miracles scientifically investigated, (though remember even factual evidence requires faith.)

2. Cause and effect. Proven Intelligent design. Could the design that obviously now exist in a man & in a human brain come from something with less or no design? Such an explanation violates the principle of causality, which states that u cant get more in the effect than u had in the cause. If there is intelligence in the effect (man), there must b intelligence in the cause. But a universe ruled by blind chance has no intelligence. Therefore there must b a cause for human intelligence that transcends the universe: a mind behind the physical universe. (Most of the great scientists (Albert Einstein, etc.) have believed in such a mind, by the way, even those who did not accept any revealed religion.)

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You might say "Well just beecause you see the effect of the intelligent cause, and that people have testified that their incurable cancers are healed when they prayed to God, it doesnt mean you can use God as the cause of it, how do I know its not some fuzzy pink elephants?"

LOL, or giant purple squid monkey right? LOL, listen, there is no denial that intelligence effect comes from intelligent cause..Thats a FACT.
If you insist, well prove to me Napoleon exist, Magellan, Columbus, Shakespeare, prove to me they exist? because of the legacy they left behind? What's the difference between that evidence and evidence for God?
From your point of view, Blackhole is a myth, King Henry is a myth, Shakespeare is a myth, Queen Elizabeth is a myth, God is a myth...
Now what about that the scientist's speculation and guess concerning "placebo" and miracles, which they donot understand and cant explained, what about their "testimonies"? Dont they have any voice?

Of course they are entitled to their speculation and guess, they are entitled to claim that millions of christians are lying, and that God didnt heal them because they prayed to Him, they lied, it was "MR. BRAIN CHEMICAL", scientists can make that claim..\
But who should I believe? The 3 people who have the title "Scientist"?, and doesnt even know what they are talking about but is just speculating, or the millions TO WHO THE MIRACLES HAPPENED TO, who is telling the truth?
To me, I believe in high probability, TO ME it is very unlikely and unprobable for millions to lie, meanwhile theres other 3 scientist who also made a guess....


Note: Desertratuk, I am not judging them, I am calling them names. Judging them (justice) means making them pay for the mistake they commited, such as throwing them to prison for lying, or punching them for cursing, thats judgment. I am simply calling them names, such as "What a lying idiot",thats name calling...It is wrong but I cant help it, may god help me...

Originally posted by whatsupyall
I am not judging them, I am calling them names. Judging them
(justice) means making them pay for the mistake they commited,
such as throwing them to prison for lying, or punching them for
cursing, thats judgment. I am simply calling them names, such
as "What a lying idiot",thats name calling...It is wrong but I cant
help it, may god help me...
"And why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye, but do
not perceive the plank in your own eye? Or how can you say to
your brother, "Brother, let me remove the speck that is in your
eye,' when you yourself do not see the plank that is in your own
eye? Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and
then you will see clearly to remove the speck that is in your
brother's eye." -Luke 6:41-43 (NKJV)

From now on I will ignore your posts except when I see something worth replying to.

I can do one thing, though...principle of casuality?? I believe you're invoking entropy here...there is something wrong with your argument there. Life can develop from randomness, because at the cost of reducing randomness (evolution of life) it creates more randomness elsewhere in the universe...entropy can only increase in a CLOSED system...but it can decrease here and there locally.

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-central philosophy of Zero, Sage of Chaos

Yeah, where is Mike anyway. He was very logical with his arguments and didn't preach like this SOB does.

Whatsupyall, just answer me this one simple question and I shall leave you be. Are you ignoring me?

Ignore him.

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-central philosophy of Zero, Sage of Chaos

I have, I'm just wandering if he's ignoring me cos he wrote loads of paragraphs and I more or less crushed his arguement with one sentence :D

If he hasn't replied to your said arguments he probably is. I don't think he'd ignore a challenge like that...

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There is no god, afterlife or divine love. There is only Entropy, the mother from which we were all born. She tugs our souls with the beautiful, maternal love of chaos. Why do you keep Her waiting?

-central philosophy of Zero, Sage of Chaos

Well then, the proof is in the butter so I say. I'm being ignore by the most annoying guy here......cool

Consider it an honor. He's finally getting tired.

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-central philosophy of Zero, Sage of Chaos

Tired of a butt kicking, wooyeah!!

Pray to your 'god', see if...he/she will answer you.

lol, good one Dave..

My God, the One True God, is real. She is a six-breasted leather-clad dominatrix from Jupiter currently living in a luxury condo inside Europa, with her twelve lusty virgins, all of whom will be mine after I die.

Adam if you believe in your God then to you she exists. To someone else she doesnt. I cant disprove that your god is a six-breasted woman. But your science can disprove that she might not exist.

"One mans religion is another mans belly laugh." -Robert Heinlein

You can prove claim is fake by lack of evidence

Can someone tell me what the name of this logical fallacy is? It is on the tip of my tongue but I can't quite remember.

Argumentum ad ignorantiam

Argumentum ad ignorantiam means "argument from ignorance". The fallacy occurs when it's argued that something must be true, simply because it hasn't been proved false. Or, equivalently, when it is argued that something must be false because it hasn't been proved true.

He is unable to understand that what he says is wrong - he simply can't see it otherwise he wouldn't keep repeating it. It is consequently impossible to debate with someone who is unable to reason.

Pray to your 'god', see if...he/she will answer you.
I'm gonna say what I've said at least a million times before; What god?

Is this one fact you can't get into your heads! I don't believe in any gods!

And I noticed Whatsupyall still hasn't answered me, I can still at least try to annoy him ;)

At least ekimlaw wasn't that bad. Jenyar is also a good christian poster, I enjoy his posts.

Ah, thanks Cris. That was driving me mad.