The current Indian President is a muslim and is one of the most adored people in the country. There are campaigns currently running to have him in the post for a second term.

The current Indian Prime Minister is a Sikh and is a respected economist, credited with economic reform of the country.

The president of the ruling Indian National Congress that the PM belongs to, and who is the real power center is an Italian Christian.

Chief ministers and governors of different states of the country belong to different faiths.

Not to mention, the country is secular, with a Hindu majority and fair representation of every religion on the earth.

1. Can this situation ever happen in any other country in the world- democratic or otherwise?

2. Do you see this a sign of maturity or that of a lack of long term vision?

Thanks.

Truly, this can happen only in India. :)

Thanks, I had not even realised it!

I think what this says is that Indians are truly secular and above petty minded insular thinking. We have elected to choose candidates of a party led by a woman who is not born in India and is an Italian Christian, a Sikh and a Muslim based on their merit for the post.

This clearly indicates that we are looking to the growth and development of the country rather than succumb to the fundamentalism that the rest of the world seems to be absorbed with.

But then we've never been a country that places religious insularity over national progress. Witness the ease with which divorce, abortion, stem cell culture etc have been adopted by Indians, inspite of our intensely religious culture. Those who wish not to adopt these practices simply choose not to do so, leaving available the option for those who wish to.

I am so proud to be a part of this magnificient culture!

Why is an Italian ruling India? That sounds like Catholic conspiracy material to me :p

Why is an Italian ruling India? That sounds like Catholic conspiracy material to me

You can take the Italian out of India, but you cannot take India out of the Italian. ;)

Before:
http://pero.altervista.org/foto_india/mixed/sonia_gandhi.jpg

After:
http://idrus.blogspot.com/sonia%20gandhi.jpg

Truly, this can happen only in India. :)

Thanks, I had not even realised it!

I think what this says is that Indians are truly secular and above petty minded insular thinking. We have elected to choose candidates of a party led by a woman who is not born in India and is an Italian Christian, a Sikh and a Muslim based on their merit for the post.

This clearly indicates that we are looking to the growth and development of the country rather than succumb to the fundamentalism that the rest of the world seems to be absorbed with.

But then we've never been a country that places religious insularity over national progress. Witness the ease with which divorce, abortion, stem cell culture etc have been adopted by Indians. Those who wish not to adopt these practises simply choose not to do so, leaving available the option for those who wish to.

I am so proud to be a part of this magnificient culture!
:)

And doesn't reality contrast a lot with the kind of image most people seem to be having of the country?

:)

And doesn't reality contrast a lot with the kind of image most people seem to be having of the country?

To be fair, its hard for people to understand what they have never experienced.

I just wish more Indians realised the inestimable value of the long and continuous Indian tradition of acceptance of all good things in other cultures without sacrificing the essence and diversity of our own.

Why is an Italian ruling India? That sounds like Catholic conspiracy material to me :p

The indian sympathy at work... she is the widow of an earlier Prime Minister who was assassinated.

The indian sympathy at work... she is the widow of an earlier Prime Minister who was assassinated.

Surely not! Wasn't that like a zillion years ago.

I think what this says is that Indians are truly secular and above petty minded insular thinking.
But then we've never been a country that places religious insularity over national progress.

How does that reconcile with the decades, perhaps centuries, of class-divided India in the past?
How do you say those things and still have a horrid history that included "The Untouchables"?

National progress? As I read it, India went to shit after the English left and they had a very bloody history until only recently.
National progress? What's the percentage of Indian citizens who don't even have sanitary sewer, potable water supplies and electricity to their homes?

National progress? Then why are so many Indians coming to America for a fine education?
National progress? How many Indians move to the USA ...and why, if India is such a great place to be?

...we are looking to the growth and development of the country rather than succumb to the fundamentalism that the rest of the world seems to be absorbed with.

If that's true, then what's with the recent terrorist attacks in Bombay? And what of the open conflicts between the various religions in India that have recently sparked anew?

I am so proud to be a part of this magnificient culture!

People should be proud of their country. But don't overlook the warts as you gaze upon her beauty ...you might find yourself shocked if they ever come to light for you.

Truly, this can happen only in India.

No, it can and does happen in many countries of the world. Brazil comes to mind, of course, but there are others. No, Sam, India is a fine nation, but it's far from being the "only" nation.

Baron Max

Surely not! Wasn't that like a zillion years ago.

But isn't and wasn't that her only qualification for the top post?

Sam, are you from Mumbai?

:)

How does that reconcile with the decades, perhaps centuries, of class-divided India in the past?
How do you say those things and still have a horrid history that included "The Untouchables"?
That is precisely the contrast that is being talked about. Despite the greatly magnified image of a horrid history, the reality is quite different.
National progress? As I read it, India went to shit after the English left and they had a very bloody history until only recently.
Yes, the british sucked all the sap and it did take a while to recuperate. But it is acknowledged that the comeback has been a fantastic story.
National progress? What's the percentage of Indian citizens who don't even have sanitary sewer, potable water supplies and electricity to their homes?
National progress? Then why are so many Indians coming to America for a fine education?
National progress? How many Indians move to the USA ...and why, if India is such a great place to be?
You are talking about national progress in terms of physical development, where there is a lot yet to be achieved. What is being highlighted is the maturity of thought people have.
Secondly, national progress is relative to time. Hasn't there been a massive progress from the time of independence? Yes, many Indians do go to America for education - it is one of the many options available to them - and it is a miniscule percent. But aren't indian institutes much sought after? It is a question of demand and supply.
If that's true, then what's with the recent terrorist attacks in Bombay? And what of the open conflicts between the various religions in India that have recently sparked anew?
People should be proud of their country. But don't overlook the warts as you gaze upon her beauty ...you might find yourself shocked if they ever come to light for you.
The warts and conflicts are definitely there. Just because there have been tube blasts in London, we cannot label London as a communally sensitive city, can we? Same with 9/11. I think we need to see the disturbances in proportion and isolation.
If the public at large had such narrow lines of thinking, would it have been possible to have these people at the helm?
No, it can and does happen in many countries of the world. Brazil comes to mind, of course, but there are others. No, Sam, India is a fine nation, but it's far from being the "only" nation.
Baron Max
Can you state examples, please? This is interesting.

Thanks.

Just goes to show how much bribery and corruption there is in India!

How does that reconcile with the decades, perhaps centuries, of class-divided India in the past?
How do you say those things and still have a horrid history that included "The Untouchables"?

National progress? As I read it, India went to shit after the English left and they had a very bloody history until only recently.
National progress? What's the percentage of Indian citizens who don't even have sanitary sewer, potable water supplies and electricity to their homes?

National progress? Then why are so many Indians coming to America for a fine education?
National progress? How many Indians move to the USA ...and why, if India is such a great place to be?

All examples of how the British tore apart the fabric of the country (except for the untouchability which was a leftover from a corruption of the varna system and is quite definitely being dealt with. We have already had a Prime Minister who was from this caste, so what does that prove?)

In just 60 years since independence, India has risen above the religious divisiveness and extreme poverty and poor education that it was plunged into by the divide and rule British for 200 years. And right now, we are in the process of catching up with the rest of the world. Rest assured, we will do it.



If that's true, then what's with the recent terrorist attacks in Bombay? And what of the open conflicts between the various religions in India that have recently sparked anew?


Yes, what of it? What news have you heard about these terrorist attacks. Can you tell me what the impact of these attacks has been on the political and foreign policy of the country?

People should be proud of their country. But don't overlook the warts as you gaze upon her beauty ...you might find yourself shocked if they ever come to light for you.


Haha This from the person who does not want too many blacks and Muslims living too close to him:D

No, it can and does happen in many countries of the world. Brazil comes to mind, of course, but there are others. No, Sam, India is a fine nation, but it's far from being the "only" nation.

Baron Max

Brazil has a Muslim prez? Or a Hindu/Buddhist/Sikh one? Who is he/she? What other examples are there? Do tell.:D

Just goes to show how much bribery and corruption there is in India!

Er?:confused:

Just goes to show how much bribery and corruption there is in India!

Nope, cain't be! If Sam says that India is perfect, then, by god, India is perfect!! AND DON'T YOU FORGET IT, GODDAMMIT!! :D

Baron Max

But isn't and wasn't that her only qualification for the top post?

I don't believe that. I remember people were clamoring for her to join the Congress following the assassination of her husband by a suicide bomber in 1991 and she refused. It was only in 1998 that she officially took charge of the party and has been working tirelessly to focus on the common person's plight and even after her party unexpectedly won the elections in 2004, she refused the post of Prime Minister.

Members of the opposition party have used her foreign birth, her change in citizenship only after 15 years of marriage to Rajiv Gandhi, her poor fluency with Hindi (which she has since overcome), etc to target her several times, but every time she has stood for elections she has campaigned on behalf of the common man and has won overwhelming support from the people. It was on her initiative and suggestion that Dr Manmohan Singh, an economist was selected as Prime Minister and we all know the strides the country has made under his leadership.

I think the fact thats she refused to capitalise from her husband's death, has opted to remain behind the scene and work for the country plus her visible efforts in conforming to expectations of propriety(she conducts herself like a conservative Hindu widow) and her strength, resolution and dignity in the face of mud slinging by the opposition have done far more to gain her the popular vote than her husband's death in 1991.

Just goes to show how much bribery and corruption there is in India!

How is this relevant to the topic, Ayodhya? Can you explain please.

Sam, are you from Mumbai?

:)

Yes! :D

How did you guess?:p

How is this relevant to the topic, Ayodhya? Can you explain please.

Huh? How can it NOT be relevant? Are you saying/implying that bribery and corruption is okay in a government? And with such bribery and corruption, the national government of India can still be a great and wonderful government?????

Baron Max

Yes! How did you guess?

What's the murder rate in Mumbai? And the rape rate? I suppose it would also be nice to know the conviction rates for those crimes, too.

Baron Max

Huh? How can it NOT be relevant? Are you saying/implying that bribery and corruption is okay in a government? And with such bribery and corruption, the national government of India can still be a great and wonderful government?????

Baron Max

Please indicate what bribery and corruption were involved in the election of a Muslim president, a Sikh Prime Minister and an Italian Christian Indian National Congress President in a country where more than 70% of the people are of the Hindu dharma.:confused:

What's the murder rate in Mumbai? And the rape rate? I suppose it would also be nice to know the conviction rates for those crimes, too.

Baron Max

What does the crime rate in Mumbai have to do with the secular nature of the people? Are you saying being a religious but secular country increases the rate of crime?:p

The crime rate in Mumbai is horrible, horrible! Every street corner is filled with people who tote guns and shoot down Texans just for kicks. Sometimes they even torture them by making them use the public transport full of sweaty smelly people of color!!! Thats what makes it the most popular destination in India too!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

Please indicate what bribery and corruption...

So ...are you saying that there is no bribery and corruption in India?

Baron Max

What does the crime rate in Mumbai have to do with the secular nature of the people?

I think the crime rates show a good indication of how well the general population views the basic government of the cities and nation. If the laws and the courts are fair and just, people tend to side strongly with the government and police, thus are also helpful in fighting crime. With the whole city population watching and caring, the crime rates are always low.

So .....whats the murder and rape rates in Mumbai? And what's the conviction rates for those crimes?

Baron Max

I think the crime rates show a good indication of how well the general population views the basic government of the cities and nation. If the laws and the courts are fair and just, people tend to side strongly with the government and police, thus are also helpful in fighting crime. With the whole city population watching and caring, the crime rates are always low.

So .....whats the murder and rape rates in Mumbai? And what's the conviction rates for those crimes?

Baron Max

Huh? You're speaking from a perspective of a rich country. India still has a large poor population. Crime and justice are important, but getting food on the table, an affordable education and healthcare, civic amenities and a job to pay for all these things is a little higher on the scale.

Rape and murder in Bombay? I honestly don't know, no idea if there are statistics online either. But its a city with an active night life and women travel alone at all hours, so its considered pretty safe. I do it myself all the time without a second thought. Do people get raped robbed and murdered? Of course, its the most popular destination for locals and tourists and anyone who wants to have a better life without leaving the country. The population is overwhelming.

The cops in Mumbai are the best in India. Our C.I.D. has been compared to Scotland Yard for their investigative abilities. The judiciary is still swamped and justice is slow, so we need extensive reforms there.

edit: I found a newspaper report. Mumbai contributes to 10% of urban crime in India with a conviction rate between 45 to 68%.

The reason I said it was because its obvious that a Roman Catholic woman could not possibly be elected in a country of Muslims and Hindus. A Sikh, I can understand, a Muslim, I can understand, but a Christian?

There must have been some bribery involved.

I don't have the statistics, and I'm wasn't very serious about that post, but it seems to me that a Hindu country would elect Hindu leaders.

The reason I said it was because its obvious that a Roman Catholic woman could not possibly be elected in a country of Muslims and Hindus. A Sikh, I can understand, a Muslim, I can understand, but a Christian?

There must have been some bribery involved.

I don't have the statistics, and I'm wasn't very serious about that post, but it seems to me that a Hindu country would elect Hindu leaders.

Haven't you lived in India? Whoever thinks of religion during elections? Even the success of the BJP was a reflection of the failure of the Congress, i.e. to punish the Congress for their ineptitude rather than reward the BJP.

The first time the BJP won a majority,it was in 1996 (almost 50 years after independence when Congress was at an all time low) and it was forced to resign in 13 months. The second time they formed a coalition in order to be able to form a government, which again fell apart due to internal squabbles in one year. The third time, they put their fundamentalist leanings on a back burner and promoted themselves as nation builders with Vajpayee a known moderate as the fielded Prime Minister; he began to work for the country, improving relations with Pakistan. But the Gujarat riots in 2002 and the Tehelka scam of 2000 was all it was needed for the people to decide that fundamentalism is not for India. And they suffered a crushing defeat in 2004 (the same year Sonia took charge of the Congress), because the people want a government that functions and builds, not divides and destroys.

And even the BJP which is such a strongly conservative Hindu party has this view:

The BJP is a religious conservative political organisation. It sees itself as rising to the defence of indigenous culture, and Indian religious systems which include Hinduism, Jainism, Sikhism and Buddhism. To many Hindu nationalists, Bharat is a Hindu Rashtra, literally a Hindu nation.

According to BJP, this definition does not exclude Muslims, Christians. Hindu Rashtra is portrayed as cultural nationalism and Hinduism as the entire complex system of culture, history, faith and worship that have evolved in India over the past 5,000 years. In the political language of Hindu nationalists, all the peoples of India, their cultures and heritage are "Hindu," which literally means "inhabitant of the land of the river Sindhu," the modern-day Indus.

Absolutely.

Anyway I think its good to have several ideologies turn by turn. Keeps everyone on their toes.

Rape and murder in Bombay? I honestly don't know, no idea if there are statistics online either.

Had I asked about the number of police tazer incidents in, say, Detroit, you could have dug up about a gazillion websites with a gazillion incidents to "prove" that America and American cops are vicious, nasty, deadly, horrid creatures. But for something simple like the crime stats in Bombay, you can't find a thing?? ...LOL!!

The cops in Mumbai are the best in India. Our C.I.D. has been compared to Scotland Yard for their investigative abilities.

And probably there have never, ever, been any citizen complaints about police corruption or police brutality or police using deadly force, right? And they probably don't carry weapons, and the criminals stop immediately when the cops tell them to, right?

edit: I found a newspaper report. Mumbai contributes to 10% of urban crime in India with a conviction rate between 45 to 68%.

Very good, Sam! Now ...10% of what??? ...LOL!

Since India is such a paradise of human goodwill and charity and compassion and love for all mankind, then my guess would be that there's ....oh, say, 10 tiny little crimes in all of India? So Bombay has 1 crime? :D

No warts on India ...but you can find warts all over America, can't you? And you do it on a regular basis. But it seems that it's a bit more difficult to see and talk about ones own warts, ain't it?

Baron Max

Had I asked about the number of police tazer incidents in, say, Detroit, you could have dug up about a gazillion websites with a gazillion incidents to "prove" that America and American cops are vicious, nasty, deadly, horrid creatures. But for something simple like the crime stats in Bombay, you can't find a thing?? ...LOL!!


Nope I can't! :(
I wish they'd put everything online, they are too understaffed and under funded though, so its not gonna happen soon. But if you can find any, I'll be happy to discuss them. It would be nice to get an input on what changes would be helpful. We still have some laws on paper that are terribly outdated.

And probably there have never, ever, been any citizen complaints about police corruption or police brutality or police using deadly force, right? And they probably don't carry weapons, and the criminals stop immediately when the cops tell them to, right?


Actually there have. Police brutality is one of the issues in Indian justice that need to be addressed. Where on the one hand we have policemen who conduct "encounters" to get rid of known criminals (a form of vigilantism that receives a lot of bad press) on the other hand we also have cops who fight for the right of prisoners to be given condoms to protect themselves from AIDS, acknowledging that men are as prone to rape in prison and deserve the choice of being able to protect themselves from disease.


Very good, Sam! Now ...10% of what??? ...LOL!

Lucky you, I found it out, its 177 per 100,000, which considering a population of 12-15 million is a lot of crime.


Since India is such a paradise of human goodwill and charity and compassion and love for all mankind, then my guess would be that there's ....oh, say, 10 tiny little crimes in all of India? So Bombay has 1 crime?

Don't be fooled. A British tourist who accosted a woman was beaten to death by her husband last week. Its not all milk and honey.:)

No warts on India ...but you can find warts all over America, can't you? And you do it on a regular basis. But it seems that it's a bit more difficult to see and talk about ones own warts, ain't it?

No one's stopping you from finding warts in India are they? I would love to discuss them, if you like.:)

Yes! :D

How did you guess?:p

lol, I remember you talking about a beach and how you sometimes bump into Bollywood stars! :D

lol, I remember you talking about a beach and how you sometimes bump into Bollywood stars! :D

lol they are a dime a dozen here!:D

lol they are a dime a dozen here!:D

lol, I can imagine. :)

sam have you ever been to the UK?

sam have you ever been to the UK?

Grrrrr! I spent five and a half hours getting back into the same plane after refueling at Heathrow on New years Eve! Anyone who thinks British security at airports is lax will have their eardrums blasted by my screech. I have made a firm resolution NEVER to go via London again!I am incredibly lucky I was travelling Air India. None of the other air carriers waited and lots of people missed their connections:mad:

On the other hand, I love British literature and culture. So I will definitely visit Britain sometime soon! :)

Grrrrr! I spent five and a half hours getting back into the same plane after refueling at Heathrow on New years Eve! Anyone who thinks British security at airports is lax will have their eardrums blasted by my screech. I have made a firm resolution NEVER to go via London again!:mad: :mad: :mad:

Sam, British security first-rate, they brought some tanks down to Heathrow a while back (lol), officials said some terrorists had plans but once they saw the tanks they had a change of heart.

Bwahahahaha - hilarious

The reason I said it was because its obvious that a Roman Catholic woman could not possibly be elected in a country of Muslims and Hindus. A Sikh, I can understand, a Muslim, I can understand, but a Christian?

There must have been some bribery involved.

I don't have the statistics, and I'm wasn't very serious about that post, but it seems to me that a Hindu country would elect Hindu leaders.
That is where the difference is, Ayodhya.

Typically you would expect a Hindu majority country would elect Hindu leaders, but doesn't this show peoples' maturity?

You are assuming bribery must have been involved, but this is people vote.

Huh? How can it NOT be relevant? Are you saying/implying that bribery and corruption is okay in a government? And with such bribery and corruption, the national government of India can still be a great and wonderful government?????

Baron Max

Well, the topic is about maturity of people in terms of choosing leaders regardless of communal inclinations; and you are merely India-bashing! :D
I faintly see that it is more of samcdkey-bashing!! ;)

On a proportional basis, crime in Mumbai and India in general is much lesser than the West. I have never seen people sitting in street corners with guns, nor have I heard of school children shooting teachers in Mumbai.

Mumbai has a 1/17 th of crime rate of New York:
New York: 3000 crimes per 100,000 people - the lowest in years (http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2002/VitaliyShchupak2.shtml)
Mumbai: 177 per 100,000

And from: http://www.tribuneindia.com/1999/99dec27/edit.htm
Even in barbaric times, crime rates were high; even in very poor countries, crime rates can be low. USA, the rich country, had a prison population of 1.8 million in 1998, that is, one out of 150 Americans. That proportion is expected to worsen considerably in the near future. Yet, the U.S. criminal law is becoming cynically harsher every day. In many States of that country, youngsters need curfew passes to go out of their homes during late evening. This month, Meshelle Locke, a 16-year-old girl, as a joke, made a gun with her thumb and index finger and said “bang” to a fellow student in the classroom. She was suspended from school and barely escaped arrest by the police officers who had visited her following this “incident”. This is part of the “zero-tolerance” approach which is being pushed across USA by many including the President.

BTW, I think crime rate has little to with our topic on election of leaders. :)

Thanks.

Well, the topic is about maturity of people in terms of choosing leaders regardless of communal inclinations; and you are merely India-bashing! :D
I faintly see that it is more of samcdkey-bashing!! ;)

On a proportional basis, crime in Mumbai and India in general is much lesser than the West. I have never seen people sitting in street corners with guns, nor have I heard of school children shooting teachers in Mumbai.

Mumbai has a 1/17 th of crime rate of New York:
New York: 3000 crimes per 100,000 people - the lowest in years (http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2002/VitaliyShchupak2.shtml)
Mumbai: 177 per 100,000

And from: http://www.tribuneindia.com/1999/99dec27/edit.htm


BTW, I think crime rate has little to with our topic on election of leaders. :)

Thanks.

Interesting differences in perspective:

Mumbai's crime statistics are alarming: a crime rate of 177 per one lakh population (Delhi, however, tops the list with 385 per one lakh, according to the National Crime Records Bureau, 2003).

New York: 3000 crimes per 100,000 people - the lowest in years

The current Indian President is a muslim and is one of the most adored people in the country. There are campaigns currently running to have him in the post for a second term.

CIA has an eye on him, neverthless.
https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/chiefs/chiefs81.html

and do people in India seem to forget easily the many terrorist attacks that happened during his reign? or does that not affect his ratings?

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/07/11/mumbai.blasts/
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/asiapcf/10/29/india.explosion/index.html

of course its ULFA to blame...but president's duty is to protect the citizens...to protect the Indians...how is this justified? :bugeye:

CIA has an eye on him, neverthless.
https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/chiefs/chiefs81.html

and do people in India seem to forget easily the many terrorist attacks that happened during his reign? or does that not affect his ratings?

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/07/11/mumbai.blasts/
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/asiapcf/10/29/india.explosion/index.html

of course its ULFA to blame...but president's duty is to protect the citizens...to protect the Indians...how is this justified? :bugeye:


you are pretty beeb. president doesnt go himself and save the individuals if u think that you are high on cow beeb... india is a corrupt nation through the history, thanks to Briton and it will stay this way... we will dominate the world soon or later but for right now... we live in dark ages.... so leave the president alone beeb head.

any one who hate india should know that we will be the only super power soon we will take back all the countries once part of India. Then we will rule the world and will get half the worlds computer business, we already have best armies in the world and best air force and navy. stop hating india cause we are the only democracy a true one where every one live happy life and all have equal rights.

you are pretty fucked up kido. president doesnt go himself and save the individuals if u think that you are high on cow dung... india is a corrupt nation through the history, thanks to Briton and it will stay this way... we will dominate the world soon or later but for right now... we live in dark ages.... so leave the president alone F head.

I am not that to which you refer to by the word F.

I gave the evidence supporting my claim that this president of India is not doing his job fully because such events of terrorism did in fact occur.

As for India domination of the world...China is more likely suitor of this world pedistal.

I do not hate India, I love it, I love its culture and people. I am not related to Briton which corrupted the nation.

I am not that to which you refer to by the word F.

I gave the evidence supporting my claim that this president of India is not doing his job fully because such events of terrorism did in fact occur.

As for India domination of the world...China is more likely suitor of this world pedistal.

my apologies to sir. i am an indian and got carried away.

I am not that to which you refer to by the word F.

I gave the evidence supporting my claim that this president of India is not doing his job fully because such events of terrorism did in fact occur.

As for India domination of the world...China is more likely suitor of this world pedistal.

I do not hate India, I love it, I love its culture and people. I am not related to Briton which corrupted the nation.

draq,

we follow the British system of government. The President of India has a role equivalent to the British monarch, i.e. as a nominal head of state. The real power is in the hands of the Parliament, which is elected by the people.

Man, it never occurred to me that Indians were so nationalistic.
I was always under the impression that Indians were divided on so many cultural and political issues, but hey, its a good day.

Man, it never occurred to me that Indians were so nationalistic.
I was always under the impression that Indians were divided on so many cultural and political issues, but hey, its a good day.

Indians are not nationalistic?:eek:

Go for an India Pakistan cricket match.;)

Boy, you'll quickly change your mind.

Here's something (a little grainy unfortunately, so it helps to see it 1/2 size)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LZ7l7nwU60&eurl=

Indians are not nationalistic?:eek:

Go for an India Pakistan cricket match.;)

Boy, you'll quickly change your mind.

Here's something (a little grainy unfortunately)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LZ7l7nwU60&eurl=

That was a beautiful song Sam, thanks! :)

That was a beautiful song Sam, thanks! :)

Just to be fair...:p

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmR9YpHOYEE

Man, it never occurred to me that Indians were so nationalistic.
I was always under the impression that Indians were divided on so many cultural and political issues, but hey, its a good day.

Another revelation, eh? :D
Welcome to reality!

I was always under the impression that Indians were divided on so many cultural and political issues, but hey, its a good day.

Continue reading and studying, you'll soon see that India ain't nothin' like what Sam tries to make you believe! I've been doin' some reading on ethnic and religious and cultural conflicts, and it's truly enlightening after reading Sam's glowing posts about India.

Conclusion: Sam is rich and lives in an area where none of that crap bothers her/him. And to make it worse, it seems, she/he refuses to look at the warts that grow profusely on the nation of India.

Baron Max

Continue reading and studying, you'll soon see that India ain't nothin' like what Sam tries to make you believe! I've been doin' some reading on ethnic and religious and cultural conflicts, and it's truly enlightening after reading Sam's glowing posts about India.

Conclusion: Sam is rich and lives in an area where none of that crap bothers her/him. And to make it worse, it seems, she/he refuses to look at the warts that grow profusely on the nation of India.

Baron Max

Keep on thinking this way Baron. Your opinion is of no consequence to the millions of Indians who live and work together. Divide and rule won't work on us anymore.;)

Divide and rule won't work on us anymore.;)

It's already working, Sam! India is a giant nation, with lots of different cultures and ethnicities and religions ...and there are conflicts all the time. And you know it, yet you continually post glowing comments about how Indians all get along so wonderfully. Why lie about it? Don't like warts?

Baron Max

It's already working, Sam! India is a giant nation, with lots of different cultures and ethnicities and religions ...and there are conflicts all the time. And you know it, yet you continually post glowing comments about how Indians all get along so wonderfully. Why lie about it? Don't like warts?

Baron Max

Have you met each and every one of the Indians Baron?

Can we safely say that I have met more of them than you have?

Why don't you post your concerns about India? I am willing to discuss them with you.:)

Have you met each and every one of the Indians Baron?

Have you met each and every American?

Can we safely say that I have met more of them than you have?

Ditto for me and Americans?

Why don't you post your concerns about India? I am willing to discuss them with you.:)

I ain't concerned about the fuckin' Indians! In fact, I have some hopes that they'll all attack each other and begin one more of the many major blood-fests in the world. Ain't that the way the world is going on all over the damned planet? Why should India not join in on the blood-fests? Shit, as many of them as are going on, blood-fests must be a whole lot of fun!

Baron Max

Have you met each and every American?
Ditto for me and Americans?

So are you saying Americans are not racist, sexist and violent?
So tell me Baron.
1. What do you think of blacks?
2. What is your opinion of women?
3. Do you own a gun? Why?

I ain't concerned about the fuckin' Indians!

Fine, then I don't have to worry about any questions about Indians from you, I'll just post this reponse instead:D .

So are you saying Americans are not racist, sexist and violent?

Yes. Americans are not racist, sexist or violent.

So tell me Baron.
1. What do you think of blacks?
2. What is your opinion of women?
3. Do you own a gun? Why?

Hate blacks! But then I also hate all other fuckin' humans equally!

Unfortunately, I was raised to respect and worship women ...tho' I fight that social teaching all the time, it's a losing battle for me.

Do I own a gun? No. I own many guns

Fine, then I don't have to worry about any questions about Indians from you, ...

Oh, I'm sorry, Sam, it don't work that with me. If you make some "milk n' honey" bullshit post about India, I'm going to ask you about some of the more violent, vicious conflicts that are happening right now in India. I'm also learning about how some Indians hate other Indians, too. And that's fun reading as I think about you and your glowing posts about India.

Baron Max

Sam don't want to think about the human failings of her country, she only wants to point out everyone else's, the great failing of humanity, we all have prejudice of some kind, Sam show this trait quite well herself.

Buffalo Roam don't want to think about the human failings of her country, she only wants to point out everyone else's, the great failing of humanity, we all have prejudice of some kind, Buffalo Roam show this trait quite well herself.

:rolleyes:

On a proportional basis, crime in Mumbai and India in general is much lesser than the West. I have never seen people sitting in street corners with guns, nor have I heard of school children shooting teachers in Mumbai.

Mumbai has a 1/17 th of crime rate of New York:
New York: 3000 crimes per 100,000 people - the lowest in years (http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2002/VitaliyShchupak2.shtml)
Mumbai: 177 per 100,000

From another thread:
http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=1257043&postcount=31