ok i personally love music with screaming in it. bands like the Used, Atreyu, Slipknot, Job For A Cowboy and that kind of thing. But ive had so many people tell me that these bands all have no talent at all, coz all they do is scream. thats not entirely true, coz The Used and Atreyu sing in parts of their songs, but most of their songs are predominately screaming.
so what do you guys think of screaming music? do you think its talentless crap? or do you think that it takes alot of effort and voice control to sing like that?

i know this kind of music isnt to everybodys taste (i even used to hate the stuff lol) but do you think theyre talentless or talented?

heres a link to a screaming song incase youve been living under a rock and havnt heard any before lol

Atreyu - Lipgloss And Black
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUrwkJyaQrE

wow thought you had disapeared lol.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=9bVMiWPB9Wo does this count?

I think its "talentless crap"...that said, I think you should listen to whatever makes you happy. So if it makes you happy, than its all for the better.

Tell me what you think this band is worth without the screaming, thank you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcdViSdoRuk

which one?

I think its "talentless crap"...that said, I think you should listen to whatever makes you happy. So if it makes you happy, than its all for the better.

Nuff' said :D

can someone define the music metal??

can someone define the music metal??

Genre Description
A bit of a blanket term for many different flavors of music, Metal is most known by its loudness, distortion, intricacy and often its lyrical themes of alienation, war, the occult, myth, and other theatrical themes. Early metal acts had a lot of base in a neo-Blues sound, though as metal progressed, prog seemed to take over as a larger influence on the sound. Metal was most popular in the 1980s thanks to the glam metal scene, which had a considerable presence on the radio and MTV. Glam metal, or rock borrowing metal's instrumental sound and song structures, often introduced people into actual metal. In the 1990s and 2000s, metal still remains popular, but it's more underground -- though a form of metal, called nu-metal, had re-emerged into the mainstream, one that is a bit poppier and also borrows from rap.

Heavy Metal band......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJHXTfixkNo

that dosent help!

that dosent help!

It wasn't much different from hard rock actually it just had a bit more kick to it.

see now that was helpfull :)

that dosent help!

why not? lol i think that was a pretty good definition there. there are lots of different kinds of metal, so to just ask what 'metal' is, is a bit hard to explain. theres black metal, death metal, prog metal, thrash metal and nu metal. they're the ones i can think of off the top of my head.

heres a definition from Wiki.. not the most reliable source, but its accurate enough on this lol

"Heavy metal (often referred to simply as metal) is a genre of rock music that developed in the late 1960s and early 1970s. With roots in blues-rock and psychedelic rock, the bands that created heavy metal developed a thick, heavy, guitar-and-drums-centered sound, characterized by highly amplified distortion and fast guitar solos. The All Music Guide states that "of all rock & roll's myriad forms, heavy metal is the most extreme in terms of volume, machismo, and theatricality."

it was a good definition if you understood it.

yeh fair enough Ash, so what do you think about screaming music? i know you like coheed and cambria and that kinda thing.. but metal? screamo?

well depends i'm not a fan but i like alot of music very few metal thogh.

Without screaming, what's your opinion of this one???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IG7vu16Fug

it's o.k but this is more my music http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnwLf88t_Wc

it's o.k but this is more my music http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnwLf88t_Wc

Not bad, I enjoyed that, thanks! ;)

lol so what music you into?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnwLf88t_Wc you migh tlike this one aswell

i have a very borad music taste, although i mostly like metal and emo music. i like older music like The Everly Brothers, The Bee Gees, that kinda thing aswell.
and yeah The Killers are great. And that Harry Nilsson song was really good lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KnTAdfdcWI

this has got be a clasic!!!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLQzfdCs_HU

heres another screamo song.. just to keep the thread on track lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7sb7Q6OVWg

dam it somthing i have never been good at but to be fair when they scream all the way through i just can't understand them.

dam it somthing i have never been good at but to be fair when they scream all the way through i just can't understand them.

lol fair enough. each to their own taste right. :)
but once you read the lyrics or whatever its easy to understand what theyre singing.

lol why read lyrics?

so you can understand what theyre sayin :D

lol why read lyrics?

so you can sing along. Thats what I do with rap...I read the lyrics and sing along the rap.

lol but i thought the point of a song is to listen :P

lol but i thought the point of a song is to listen :P

yeah I listen as well...but singing along the rap is amazing too.

lol i sopose odd i never pictured you into rap draqon.

lol i sopose odd i never pictured you into rap draqon.

I usually bike and sing rap while listening to it. Its amazing. Most of the rap is gangster old style :rolleyes:

What rap do you listen to?

What rap do you listen to?

mostly russian rap. NTL, Mnogotochie, bit of Kasta, Russkiye, and etc.

I like Tupac, bit of other detroit solitary rappers, bit of NY home baked rap

lol russian rap that would be wierd to me bieng a soley english speaker and all.

lol russian rap that would be wierd to me bieng a soley english speaker and all.

well it sound like old style american rap...except almost no cursing...much more meaning of life and more acute changes in music style throughout the song

like 80s rap?

like 80s rap?

yeah sort of like end of 80's

here is one of the uploded rap songs I have made...I made the video myself =) and its my account on youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgxG0cmrLqk

and this American rap...I am into:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8YShr86lww

lol i don't speak russian but i actully like it how messed up is that?

lol i don't speak russian but i actully like it how messed up is that?

its totally messed up.

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/3/av2211xg7.jpg

Now this is screaming (and great video to boot):
http://youtube.com/watch?v=yMwnaErzqrU

Nothing like a little grindcore to wake you up in the morning.

Or this one:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=um3I-D3UE8I

Turns out the other one I posted wasn't really Discordance Axis.

Anal Cunt's also worth a listen:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=VNFVvxbQ4Lc

hey maxg have you heard Job For A Cowboy?

yeah sort of like end of 80's

here is one of the uploded rap songs I have made...I made the video myself =) and its my account on youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgxG0cmrLqk

Unfortunately, I do not speak Russian, I can only read Cyrillic and pronounce it. But sounds good!

Okay, but how can ANYONE hear this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWggPLXeOkU ?

It's a great track and I love it, but how were the lyrics heard by the people who posted them on the internet? Did the album include lyrics? Because I can't even make out when the guy actually starts saying things and not just screaming. Where exactly does he start singing about alcohol and dick??

That bridge in the middle is fantastic, but I get the feeling that that guitar line is actually quite common?

good ole' linkin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsCD5XCu6CM

system of a down syndrome

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdRd3k4CIAg

PaPa roach...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8s6SgobUIk

Flyleaf...sick girl from asylum

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5zL3dqdxUg

I like music with all screaming, like Boris and Black Mayonaisse.

anyways more of this metal junk:
Mudvayne
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gm5NZnPcSrA

"Mindtrain" - - Yoko Ono, off the album (yes it was wax) "Fly"

Metal always seemed a little tame, to me, compared with what some of the art crowd was doing.

If you like screamo you might like Alexisonfire. They have been my favorite band for the last few years. They are a post hardcore band that has a couple of screaming singers and one who has brilliant, melodic voice.

I like a little screaming in songs as well as it adds aggression or emotion to the song.

If you like screamo you might like Alexisonfire. They have been my favorite band for the last few years. They are a post hardcore band that has a couple of screaming singers and one who has brilliant, melodic voice.

I like a little screaming in songs as well as it adds aggression or emotion to the song.

yeh i have heard of them, but havnt heard any songs yet. thanx for the advice. and yeah i agree bout the aggression and emotion screaming brings to certain songs. what other bands do you like? Throwdown?

Actually I do like Throwdown. Someone in a forum put me on to them because I was a Hatebreed fan. They are similar.

If you like Atreyu you might like Bullet for My Valentine, Underoath, Poison the Well or Killswitch Engage.

If you like Slipknot you might like Dry Kill Logic, Mudvayne, Nothingface or 36 Crazy Fists.

I just downloaded a Job for a Cowboy song then as I hadn't heard them before. Now thats heavier. Closer to Shadows Fall, Bleeding Through or As I Lay Dying. You're from NSW? Have you heard Parkway Drive? They are from Byron Bay.

My friend is the lead singer of a "scream metal" band...I honestly don't know how he sings that way without needing to cough. :) It's a little heavy for me...but it definitely takes talent to do some of the things he does with his voice.

I guess I'm getting old. (puts on a Barry Manilow album)

hey maxg have you heard Job For A Cowboy?

No. To be honest I'm not that into metal or grindcore--it's very much a sometimes thing. Used to be into hardcore but don't listen to that much these days either. I did know the singer for Discordance Axis and helped engineer (if you can call it that) a single they did.

ok i personally love music with screaming in it. bands like the Used, Atreyu, Slipknot, Job For A Cowboy and that kind of thing. But ive had so many people tell me that these bands all have no talent at all, coz all they do is scream. thats not entirely true, coz The Used and Atreyu sing in parts of their songs, but most of their songs are predominately screaming.
so what do you guys think of screaming music? do you think its talentless crap? or do you think that it takes alot of effort and voice control to sing like that?

i know this kind of music isnt to everybodys taste (i even used to hate the stuff lol) but do you think theyre talentless or talented?

heres a link to a screaming song incase youve been living under a rock and havnt heard any before lol

Atreyu - Lipgloss And Black
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUrwkJyaQrE

i know what you meen i love music with screaming in it, i love Trivium, Aveneged Sevenfold and lots more,

Extremism for it's own sake shows a lack of creativity. I find excessive screaming homogonizes a groups sound as well as undermines the supposed cathartic emotional release that screaming is supposed to signify. There's no poinancy in screamo. Music should always be a poetic interplay between tension and release. When every song is dominated with the cookie monster on coke vocals it leaves a lot to be desired. I'm not saying these bands aren't talented as some have incredible instrumental chops... It's just that its supposed to sound intense and scary but instead it comes across as comical posturing most of the time.

The first thing that popped into my head when I read the thread title was 'Yoko Ono'

This is as good as it gets. Don't give up, the background dancing gets better and better. Start tapping your feet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPnGPIMUnus

Actually I do like Throwdown. Someone in a forum put me on to them because I was a Hatebreed fan. They are similar.

If you like Atreyu you might like Bullet for My Valentine, Underoath, Poison the Well or Killswitch Engage.

If you like Slipknot you might like Dry Kill Logic, Mudvayne, Nothingface or 36 Crazy Fists.

I just downloaded a Job for a Cowboy song then as I hadn't heard them before. Now thats heavier. Closer to Shadows Fall, Bleeding Through or As I Lay Dying. You're from NSW? Have you heard Parkway Drive? They are from Byron Bay.

yeh i love Throwdown and Hatebreed. i also like Mudvayne (gotta love Dig) and Parkway Drive are awesome. Havnt really heard much of the others, just bits and pieces really. might go download something now tho :)

What JFAC song did you download? My favourites are Suspended By The Throat, Knee Deep, Day In Black and Entities.

oh and yeh im from NSW, bout 2 hours south of Sydney

I got Entities and Knee Deep. Sounds good but it might be a bit heavy for my tastes. So are some of those bands I mentioned. I need a bit of melody with the screaming ;) I've put them on the ipod though.

You would like some of the bands at Soundwave Festival. Do you know about it? I'm going to the Melbourne one.

yeh ive heard of it, but ive never gone. I wanted to go to the Taste Of Chaos in Sydney that was in October, but i wasnt allowed to go. they had 2 of my fave bands there. The Used and Aiden.

These guys are aussie hard rock, even though they don't scream in their songs, they still yell :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dRlUkPE3UA

Talentless Crap.

I see a very distinct line between music and noise, and music generally has gradually been overlapping with noise since the turn of the century.

Some forms of popular guitar/vocal music are currently about 80% noise and 20% music.

Singers used to scream back in the 70's too, but at least they were screaming on pitch. In other words, it was still musical.

As soon as you go out of tune and out of time it is no longer music...and you may as well be listening to the grunting, shrieking and bellowing echoing up from the basement of your local nut house.

I see a very distinct line between music and noise, and music generally has gradually been overlapping with noise since the turn of the century.

Some forms of popular guitar/vocal music are currently about 80% noise and 20% music.

Singers used to scream back in the 70's too, but at least they were screaming on pitch. In other words, it was still musical.

As soon as you go out of tune and out of time it is no longer music...and you may as well be listening to the grunting, shrieking and bellowing echoing up from the basement of your local nut house.

Well, I think screamo music these days is absolute crap too! :D

Your reasoning though isn't something I agree with. How about various forms of percussion only music?

Well, I think screamo music these days is absolute crap too! :D

Your reasoning though isn't something I agree with. How about various forms of percussion only music?

ash, it takes talent to do the screamo music, bands like Avengend sevenfold, and afi, stone sour all have talent it all depends where you look for it

ash, it takes talent to do the screamo music, bands like Avengend sevenfold, and afi, stone sour all have talent it all depends where you look for it

Oh I'm sure it does. I'm not suggesting I can scream like they do on a whim, it would take practice. I'm just saying that I personally think it's crap because I don't like it and it's absolutely not pleasing to my ears. And you know what they say, one man's crap is another girl's treasure.

But I didn't post in this thread to debate screamo being good. I don't think you and I will be changing our opinions of the topic anytime soon because of eachother.

I'm more interested in disagreeing with Carcano's idea of music being limited to sounds that require pitch. In essence, I'm on the screamo's side (ick) on this one. :shrug:

EDIT: I just noticed Carcano initially mentions pitch only, but then suggests that you need to leave both pitch and meter to stop qualifying as music. Doesn't that mean that screamo still qualifies as music as a lot of it does stick to some form of time?

I'm a fan of music with screaming. In rock, It gives the music a visceral element that meshes with the aggression and distortion of the instruments. It is also an effective way of communicating emotion in the lyrics.

I'm also a fan of bands like The Gerogerigegege that use it as an artsy performance element.

Oh I'm sure it does. I'm not suggesting I can scream like they do on a whim, it would take practice. I'm just saying that I personally think it's crap because I don't like it and it's absolutely not pleasing to my ears. And you know what they say, one man's crap is another girl's treasure.

But I didn't post in this thread to debate screamo being good. I don't think you and I will be changing our opinions of the topic anytime soon because of eachother.

I'm more interested in disagreeing with Carcano's idea of music being limited to sounds that require pitch. In essence, I'm on the screamo's side (ick) on this one. :shrug:

EDIT: I just noticed Carcano initially mentions pitch only, but then suggests that you need to leave both pitch and meter to stop qualifying as music. Doesn't that mean that screamo still qualifies as music as a lot of it does stick to some form of time?


you cant say somthing is crap just because you dont like it, i can say Lord of the rings was shit, but it wasnt, but that doesnt stop you or anyone else
liking it.

bands like ax7, papa roach, msi, afi, are not crap, may be crap to you but you cant get past the screaming.

you cant say somthing is crap just because you dont like it, i can say Lord of the rings was shit, but it wasnt, but that doesnt stop you or anyone else
liking it.

bands like ax7, papa roach, msi, afi, are not crap, may be crap to you but you cant get past the screaming.

I can't? But, it IS crap to me. Just like Lord of the Rings might be utter shit to you, because it IS shit to you. Since when does something being considered good in someone's eyes automatically make it immune from being bad in someone else's?

I can't? But, it IS crap to me. Just like Lord of the Rings might be utter shit to you, because it IS shit to you. Since when does something being considered good in someone's eyes automatically make it immune from being bad in someone else's?

my point i was trying to make but badly, was, it takes talent to do what they do, allbeit, screamo music, or acting

my point i was trying to make but badly, was, it takes talent to do what they do, allbeit, screamo music, or acting

Well, I'm glad we agree! We both think it takes talent to do what they do.

Only I think their screaming talent produces crap music, and you think it produces good music. So, we're right back where we were about 5 posts ago. :p

So what do you guys think of screaming music? Do you think its talentless crap? Or do you think that it takes a lot of effort and voice control to sing like that?Screaming is no more talentless than rapping. The question is whether it is music. The definition of music includes melody and harmony. There is none of that in traditional rap (whereas there is in Caribbean dub rap) so rapping is not singing. I haven't listened to your tracks; if they're really just screaming then it's not singing. But if they're just singing really loudly and angrily so that it sounds like screaming but the melody is there--like Robert Plant, Little Richard, and a gazillion other rock stars, then it's singing. But for a person to call it "talentless crap" is simply a way of saying "I don't like it and I don't like the people who do like it." If you ask me there is no performance art in human history less worthy of my attention than tap dancing, yet I admit it takes a lot of talent.

Still, even though shouting and rapping are in some cases not music, the entire performance can be musical if there are elements of melody and harmony to it. "Songs" that are all percussion and spoken or shouted words with no melodic instrumentation are not music. That type of performance was more common in the early days of rap, but it's very rare now. It's never been common in other types of rock or pop music. Even the "talkin' blues" had a guitar and sometimes a whole cowboy band.Can someone define the music metal??I think metal is easier to understand if you look at its history. In the 1960s there was a big segment of the music world that was "civilizing" rock and roll. Adding string sections or complete orchestras, going back to acoustic guitars and singing pretty folk songs, tossing in a cello or a harpsichord and making it downright medieval like some of the Beatles' tunes. By the late 60s acid rock came along with its polite Middle Eastern modalities and instrumentation. Then progressive rock with complex themes, lots of keyboards, and time signatures that defied foot-tapping. Finally disco, with its fully homogenized textures and sounds that were often entirely synthesized.

Heavy metal was a reaction to this. It's electric guitar-driven music, which is why it's called "metal." It's loud and angry, which is why it's called "heavy." Even though many originators of the genre like Deep Purple and Iron Butterfly used keyboards, the bands that became its icons like Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin and Blue Oyster Cult did not, at least not in their early days. They were guitar bands, and often "power trios" with only one guitar, bass and drums. They felt that they were taking rock and roll back to its spiritual roots of simplicity, loudness, anger and rebellion. (Not its actual musical roots, since it was long assumed that either the piano or tenor saxophone would be the genre's defining instrument, as the early rock guitarists were from the western swing scene and played some pretty lame licks until Chuck Berry and Dwayne Eddy knocked them on their butts.)

Metal subsided in the late 1970s, as "corporate rock" bands like Journey and Boston dominated the airwaves with guitar riffs that were loud and complex, but still perfectly manicured and devoid of rebellion. Although a few stalwarts like AC/DC and Van Halen kept the fires burning.

Then there was a revival in the 1980s as a new generation of rock musicians who were much more technically proficient came of age. Metallica and other "speed metal" groups cranked out more notes per second than any rockers before them. Ozzy revived the Black Sabbath sound but with young guitarist Randy Rhoads, who could play circles around Tony Iommi. AC/DC came "Back in Black" with a signature song that merged funk with metal, a fusion that quickly became popular. Bands like Slaughter popped up that had the anger, rebellion and churning guitars that kept the heavy metal scene going in a supercharged manner.

Then Metallica made the black album, and "Enter Sandman" brought metal back to its roots of ponderous power chords, dark themes, and a straight blues modality. The grunge movement of the 1990s was, IMO, an offshoot of that, with their gravelly voices, power chords and slow tempos, and dark lyrics about classroom shootings and the bleakness of the universe.

Rap and metal were a natural hybrid, with Rage Against The Machine the quintessential group. Today bands like Korn play what I call infrared metal, with so much of their sound down in the lower registers where the notes blend into each other.

But all along, for the past couple of decades, there have been offshoots of heavy metal like death metal and goth metal, that try in their own way to get back to the roots of rock and roll.

Anger, rebellion, an unsophisticated approach to music... and loud guitar chords. That's metal.

The question is whether it is music. The definition of music includes melody and harmony. Hmmmm. The Royal Burundi drum chorus sounds like music to me, as does stuff like the gamelan Monkey Chant and groups like Savage Aural Hotbed.

The screaming stuff (and the rap) that has rhythmic complexity and development (which a surprising amount does not) should fit in there somehow.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fi8KRyY3x4Q (Monkey Chant)

http://www.myspace.com/savageauralhotbed (SAH)

http://www.africachannelmusic.com/rel/v2_viewupc.php?storenr=232&upc=71482209252 (Royal Drum)

I am a huge fan of screaming music.

Some of my favorite bands (and my favorite songs):
Static-X - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZveEyg_GmQ
Mudvayne
Testament - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udSe5GGWz04
Hatebreed
Project 86 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFNsJ5T3laY
Ensiferum - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cJ3k7yTNqk
Spineshank (If you like screaming, pounding, totally aggressive industrial metal, you HAVE to listen to Spineshank) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hogT2Varibg

I don't like death metal, and I don't like anything that sounds too emo. I used to like it but it got old really fast, and now as soon as I hear the voice I can't stand it. The closest to emo that I will go is probably Breaking Benjamin (they put on a damn good show with Three Days Grace).

It's one thing to listen to it on the CD, but it's a whole different experience to be there at the concert. I go to a lot of metal shows. One of my favorite moments was when Hatebreed started playing "Live for This", and the whole crowd just crunched forward and opened up into a HUGE mosh pit. I was pretty damn sore the next day, but it was worth it. Also, screaming along for the entire show tends to make one lose their voice the next day.

Also, just completely rocking out at the Static-X concert was insane.

I don't think it's talentless at all. When people say that, I think it's just because they can't get past the screaming.

ok i personally love music with screaming in it. bands like the Used, Atreyu, Slipknot, Job For A Cowboy and that kind of thing. But ive had so many people tell me that these bands all have no talent at all, coz all they do is scream. thats not entirely true, coz The Used and Atreyu sing in parts of their songs, but most of their songs are predominately screaming.
so what do you guys think of screaming music? do you think its talentless crap? or do you think that it takes alot of effort and voice control to sing like that?

i know this kind of music isnt to everybodys taste (i even used to hate the stuff lol) but do you think theyre talentless or talented?

heres a link to a screaming song incase youve been living under a rock and havnt heard any before lol

Atreyu - Lipgloss And Black
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUrwkJyaQrE

It's not just talentless crap it definitely takes skill...and willingness to hurt your vocal cords badly.

I love music with screaming. Who likes Impaled Nazarene?

Talentless?
I think the high volume and continually expanding influence and popularity of the genre is proof that there is talent.

How could a 'talentless' band succeed in playing show after show and selling millions of albums?

Take Mr. Dani Filth for instance. His band [Cradle of Filth], regardless on whether you like the screaming or not, is certainly a prime example of the talent you speak of.

yeh i agree, but just coz a band gets lots of gigs and sells lots of albums it doesnt mean they have talent. lots of mainstream bands these days are just crap, and i dont even know how they even sell albums.

I don't know about screaming but there's lots a fans screaming. Oh Yunho, why? Oh why are you such a hot, cool, fine specimen? Hurry home so I can mad jump you, k. u r so hot like molten lava, u make fireworks go off in my heart. *faint*

http://youtube.com/watch?v=LsyjlFOEQ0Y&feature=related