http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/world/ny-woiraq233297717may23,0,6683623.story?coll=ny%2Dwor ldnews%2Dheadlines

Now free to speak, the doctors at two Baghdad hospitals, including Ibn Al-Baladi, tell a very different story. Along with parents of dead children, they said in interviews this week that Hussein turned the children's deaths into propaganda, notably by forcing hospitals to save babies' corpses to have them publicly paraded.

I'm waiting for the apologies and retractions from all those who accused the United States of murder-by-sanctions.

Hussein turned the children's deaths into propaganda, notably by forcing hospitals to save babies' corpses to have them publicly paraded.


This man argues the responsability of the events by pointing how a dictator (their own lets not forget) uses this for his own good .

You're hilarious Jerrek

Wow, Saddam was sicker than i thought. This man was truly a plague upon his nation.:eek:

Agreed. Now give it a few hours and we'll see his supporters (the left) try and defend him.

Hours...hahaha...try minutes..AM should be coming around in a few;)

Originally posted by Jerrek
Agreed. Now give it a few hours and we'll see his supporters (the left) try and defend him.

his supporters, the left?
Who are you trying to kid?
Since when has the left been Saddam's supporters?

It sounds like your just trying to undermine the left, who you seem to seriously despise for reasons I can't fathom, by making claims about them that aren't even true!

I have never, on the many marches of 'the left' that I've attended, seen or heard any support for Saddam. You seem to be blinded by your aversion, and for that, I pity you.

Until he learns proper spelling and grammar (mainly punctuation) I'm ignoring him. I can't understand 90% of what he writes and the rest is too incoherent to follow anyways. I'm referring to... *cough* you know who you are...

Since when has the left been Saddam's supporters? Let me think: Maybe since they started destroying parts of cities with their pro-Saddam, "peace" rallies? Or maybe when they started burning American flags?

I have never, on the many marches of 'the left' that I've attended, seen or heard any support for Saddam Thats great sonny. Really great. He supports you though. And I mean it... He loves you guys a lot. He counts on YOU to spread his poison.

Gee, this comes as a real suprise. I'm shocked, really I am, to learn that a dictator who has no compunction torturing and murdering his political enemies would do something this barbaric.

I'm waiting for the apologies and retractions from all those who accused the United States of murder-by- sanctions.

Wow. Grab yourself some popcorn and beer Jerrick, it'll be some time. Like, after the protons start to decay.

Originally posted by Jerrek

Let me think: Maybe since they started destroying parts of cities with their pro-Saddam, "peace" rallies? Or maybe when they started burning American flags?
never heard of a pro-saddam peace rally....at all the demos i've been to lots of people were carrying the american flag and none burning it..
This would be an example of what happens when you get your information from fox news...the only aspect of a demonstration you'll see is someone burning a flag.

Originally posted by Jerrek
Let me think: Maybe since they started destroying parts of cities with their pro-Saddam, "peace" rallies? Or maybe when they started burning American flags?
When were there 'pro-Saddam' peave reallies? I never heard of them. Saddam never symbolised peace, he was opressive. Why would pople rallying for peace want to defend him?

Thats great sonny. Really great. He supports you though. And I mean it... He loves you guys a lot. He counts on YOU to spread his poison.
omg. What do you say to people who think like you do? I meet you all the time you know? At school, on other boards. And I can never understand your motivation.

Firstly, my names not sonny.
Secondly, Saddam wouldn't support me. Why? Because I oppose him, and therefore, him supporting me in my opposition of him does not make sense. see?
Thirdly, his poison? What do you mean his poison? Do you mean his selfish and opressive way of life? I don't see myself as either of these things, and I certainly don't go around promoting that sort of lifestyle. So, I don't know what you mean by saying that I spread his poison... please explain.

Originally posted by jps
never heard of a pro-saddam peace rally....at all the demos i've been to lots of people were carrying the american flag and none burning it..
This would be an example of what happens when you get your information from fox news...the only aspect of a demonstration you'll see is someone burning a flag.

haha! fox news! what a joke!

Until he learns proper spelling and grammar (mainly punctuation) I'm ignoring him. I can't understand 90% of what he writes and the rest is too incoherent to follow anyways. I'm referring to... *cough* you know who you are...


Dont base your entire refutation on anything I say on silly grammar/spelling rules , and please , show me the incoherency in :

This man argues the responsability of the events by pointing how a dictator (their own lets not forget) uses this for his own good .

I simply point out that you do not logically define the responsibility of your governments action by pointing out to a sick dictator (one you have installed and helped) that has used the results for his own agenda .

There is nothing incoherent about that , if you dont understand it you're a damn idiot ....... it has little to do with agreeing with it or not .

Agreed. Now give it a few hours and we'll see his supporters (the left) try and defend him

sarge

Hours...hahaha...try minutes..AM should be coming around in a few


ha ha ..........stop saying stupid things dude , I though we were behaving respectfully , are you accusing me of defending Saddam Hussain ??!!!! I have never defended Saddam Hussain in my life and accusing me of such I consider more insulting (if we would apply such into real life social behaviour) , than calling me a thief or a murderer or speak filthy of my family .
So please , lets not behave this way , I dont accuse you of supporting whoever you consider extreme hostile or even hate now do I ?

And perhaps you didnt notice but my respons was in before you typed this crap .


Let me think: Maybe since they started destroying parts of cities with their pro-Saddam, "peace" rallies? Or maybe when they started burning American flags?


You're much worse than Saddam , a demon isnt half as bad as Satan himself , he was your lil Sadammy...... untill Israel start playing along and it got active when he took Kuweit .


Thats great sonny. Really great. He supports you though. And I mean it... He loves you guys a lot. He counts on YOU to spread his poison.


And if I didnt know better I would count on him to do some terrorism on your slutty military troops occupying Iraq .

Yes you can stop your reality repressing now Jerrek , I didnt figure a smart guy like yourself to act so silly and repress his own knowledge just because his biasedness doesnt allow it

Let me think: Maybe since they started destroying parts of cities with their pro-Saddam, "peace" rallies? Or maybe when they started burning American flags?

Those on peace marches weren't that leftist at all. Most would not burn or endorse burning american flags. Even being anti-american would not mean you're pro-Saddam. You seem to be the victim of the "for us or against us dichotomy".

AM i didn't mean to offend you..i just meant that you are up to date on almost every thread in this forum and that you would be coming around soon to put your two cents in...nothing more...i know nothing about you so respectfully i won't even try to assume anything about you. I had a scuffle with you before and that was enough for me to know what i needed to know. Sorry if this offended you in any way and rest assure i am not presumpotious in anyway of your practices. Happy?

Originally posted by Voodoo Child
Those on peace marches weren't that leftist at all. Most would not burn or endorse burning american flags. Even being anti-american would not mean you're pro-Saddam. You seem to be the victim of the "for us or against us dichotomy".

yes, a cheap trick. Fabricating the opposition and critisising them when they don't exist, hoping that this, in turn, will make your cause seem better. All you're showing is that you don't even understand the other side of the argument.

All you're showing is that you don't even understand the other side of the argument.

Or that you don't want others to understand it.

Do you think that once, just once, we could have a thread in WE&P that doesn't degenerate into inane bashing of either America or each other? :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Xev
Do you think that once, just once, we could have a thread in WE&P that doesn't degenerate into inane bashing of either America or each other? :rolleyes:


To answer that Xev reread your first post on this thread;)

I'm waiting for the apologies and retractions from all those who accused the United States of murder-by-sanctions.

That Saddam* used the death of his own citizens for the cynical exploitation of Iraqi and world opinion is not in dispute. That is not to say that the sanctions did not have a devastating effect. This is reasonably well agreed upon. I don't doubt for a second that Saddam purposely made things worse than they had to be, but still, the sanctions directly killed a large number of people, degraded their infrastructure and left large numbers of people malnourished.
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* why do we always use his first name?

Originally posted by Voodoo Child
That Saddam* used the death of his own citizens for the cynical exploitation of Iraqi and world opinion is not in dispute. That is not to say that the sanctions did not have a devastating effect. This is reasonably well agreed upon. I don't doubt for a second that Saddam purposely made things worse than they had to be, but still, the sanctions directly killed a large number of people, degraded their infrastructure and left large numbers of people malnourished.
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* why do we always use his first name?

Yes, people often overlook the impact the sanctions had on Iraq. Becasue there was less wealth in the nation, it meant that the rich were taking a larger percentage of the total wealth to compensate for their losses while the poor were left with less than they had in the first place.

It's not only Saddam that has the blood of his people on his hands. The west has a lot to answer for, but it looks like their leaving that question out.

* and I think we use his first name because it's easier to spell than Hussien.. Im not even sure I spelt that right...

Originally posted by Xev
Do you think that once, just once, we could have a thread in WE&P that doesn't degenerate into inane bashing of either America or each other? :rolleyes:
I don't see a great deal of inane bashing to each other or america. Most of it is well reasoned. I say most quite purposefully.

Sarg : U didnt , I told u IF it would be for real u would

Besides I had a hunch it was indeed more about quick responding than saddam , but I hope you do understand why saddam was included in the question ........

Anyways no worries

Xev : just once

Just once isnt going to be in a thread that is called murder-by sactions

Dudey :

It's not only Saddam that has the blood of his people on his hands. The west has a lot to answer for, but it looks like their leaving that question out.


Dont you think its also "forgotten" whose puppet Saddam was and how he got there and why in the first place ? In Arabia it isnt you know , and especially not in Iraq itself ......

Dudey

Yes, people often overlook the impact the sanctions had on Iraq


It goes nicely along with the overlooking of who put him there and what country exactly he invaded .....
Peoples look at Kuweit as a respectable nation , while in Arabia they are considered sellouts of their own brothers . Ofcourse not by those who depend on Kuweiti business ........

Originally posted by Allahs_Mathematics
Sarg : U didnt , I told u IF it would be for real u would




I am sorry but can you explain that..sorry i can't understand that sentence????;)

Do you think that once, just once, we could have a thread in WE&P that doesn't degenerate into inane bashing of either America or each other?

What causes thread degeneration is accusations of america-bashing and pro-saddamism. That compels people to respond and the orginal topic gets discarded.

I was told to say this:
EVERYONE POSTING ON THIS THREAD EXCEPT XEV AND JERREK, go get laid. then have a smoke. then see if you still care.
(it was a dare!:o dont flame me now!)

I am sorry but can you explain that..sorry i can't understand that sentence????


Sure : If we would be sitting at some cafe-house having a drink or smoking some Ganja and you would accuse me of defending Saddam I would be seriously offended , but as you type letters and they just get on my screen , and i have no clue who you are , and never met you in person ........ you cant do anything to offend me , so you didnt offend me so u dont need to apollogize for it .

hope I clarified that

hey sarge u already know where mecca is at (just curious?) , man I say u should be able to find that out without actually being told by someone , its not that hard if u love NYC .......;)

I haven't seen any inane america bashing. I don't have time to follow all the threads on this site. Perhaps I missed it.
I do see a lot of inane leftist bashing. Everything from accusing anyone who was against the war to working with hussein, to pictures of sheep posted with captions calling them protestors to statements that we wouldn't care if we just got laid(I'm not sure where that one comes from, i've never heard that stereotype applied to the left before this thread)

Incidentally, Saddam was no friend of the left.
The execution of communists was rather widespread under his rule.
At one time early in his presidency, he identified 500 Communist party members for execution and had his senior officials form the execution squads. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/unscom/readings/post.html

Originally posted by jps
I haven't seen any inane america bashing. I don't have time to follow all the threads on this site. Perhaps I missed it.
I do see a lot of inane leftist bashing. Everything from accusing anyone who was against the war to working with hussein, to pictures of sheep posted with captions calling them protestors to statements that we wouldn't care if we just got laid(I'm not sure where that one comes from, i've never heard that stereotype applied to the left before this thread)

Incidentally, Saddam was no friend of the left.
The execution of communists was rather widespread under his rule.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/unscom/readings/post.html

Yeah, I've found that most of the leftist bashing I hear is based mainly on attempting to humiliate them rather than pointing out a flaw.
It's a bit weak.

Agreed - about the only way that the Ba'ath party could be considered left-wing would be to compare them to the Taliban.

BTW Jerrek, I'll point out that Bush isn't above using the deaths of US citizens to promote a political agenda. Like the 3,000 people who died in the WTC attack being used to justify the attack on Afghanistan when none of the terrorists came from there, and being used to justify the attack on Iraq when none of the terrorists came from there either. Hell, we'll have to wait until the US attacks Saudia Arabia before you can say it's for the people that died on 9/11 and not be lying...