I just read about the MEG.

http://www.rense.com/general21/free.htm

Is this shit fo real?
Tell me it's some kind of joke, or rather, don't, this seems incredible. Are there no perks?

Your device doesn't need to actually work in order for you to get a patent on it. It just has to be original, and you need to pay the registration fee.

There is no such thing as a free lunch.

This is utter bullshit.

The site says that the machine works by tapping into the abundance of longitudinal EM waves in higher dimensions.

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A LONGITUDINAL EM WAVE!!!

Do Maxwell's equations in however many dimensions you like, electric and magnetic field oscillations are ALWAYS in the direction transverse to the direction of propogation.

And hey, do you think that if it was so "revolutionary", it would have not been published in a reputable, peer reviewed journal. No the web is so much more highly regarded.

Crackpot science.

I bet the inventor of this thing was an old, "semi-retired" engineer like Mac, trying to make a final stand.

Don't old people have better things to do like play lawn bowls?

Yeah I did some searching and I never found anything except webpublishings of this stuff so I figured if it had been true we would have seen alot of this stuff on TV :)

Anyone know what this quaternionic equations from maxwell is all about?

Ryans and James R
Your understanding of physics makes mine look comparible to that of a shaved up monkey, so feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but, I think this website is worth having a REAL good look at.
Tom Bearden is a retired Lt Col of the US army with a PhD,MS(nuclear engineering), BS(mathematics - minor electronic engineering) and would have been privy to a LOT of info which is not public knowledge. He claims russian physicists have a full understanding of longitudinal and scalar electromagnetic waves and have weaponised them decades ago. They were testing them in their war with Afganistan. The bodies of people killed by these weapons did not decompose for MONTHS due to a total absence of any lifeform within them. They masked these tests with nerve gas, but the people did not die as one would when exposed to nerve gas. Death was instantanious and complete. Why havent we heard of these weapons?, because it is not in our enemies best interest to show all their cards, yet.

He has published several books on these matters and all his research including "Fer de lance", "the excaliber briefing" and "energy from the vaccum". The latter, is slowly finding its way into university libraries as we speak. This is NOT new technology, only new in the west. You say longitudinal waves do not exist because that is what you have been taught and what those who taught you have been taught. He claims the longitudinal waves are somehow infolded within the transverse waves compressing and expanding along the line of motion on the z axis while moving along it. The "time polarized" scalar waves are vibrating on the time axis. He has been published in several well regarded science publications (see correspondence sect of site for details)

What if you ARE wrong, what if everyone who bags Bearden and his associates as crackpots is wrong? What if russia and the japenese yakuza do possess these weapons? The yakuza ARE testing these weapons in remote western Australia.
I have close friends who have PERSONALLY witnessed these balls of energy on a sheep station owned by the Yakuza and they were EXACTLY as he described them. This is not some bullshit conspiricy theory.

Make no mistakes, the Yakuza has not forgotten Hiroshima.

The US is standing pants down with its tackle in the breeze while its scientific community pats itself on the back while pissing into the wind. Please read the site thoroughly, especially the correspondence section, before writing this guy off as just another crackpot. Like I said, my understanding of physics leaves a lot to be desired, but I understand enough to be nervous. Very nervous. The link below is to the table of contents on the main page.

http://www.cheniere.org/toc.html

Remember, learning is easy, it's unlearning that gets tricky

Dave
Australia

Blaah, I'm sorry you believe all this stuff

I looked on the website, and could tell by simply browsing his papers that this is pure crackpot. No equations, no derivations, just brown tribble dressed up in technical jargon.

To say some of the things he said takes some pretty powerful mathematics, of which non-is displayed.

And what is this negatropy BS. He totally takes its meaning out of context.

To me this guy looks like another Mac. I retired has been who wishes he studied physics when he was younger, but now because he is to old to learn enough to be at the forefront of research, calls all the accepted physics a hoax, and invents his own, in the hope that he may change the way we think

PURE CRACKPOT.

Mate, I dunno what to believe!
Seems like he and his associates have put a whole lot of time and effort (30 years) into something which is total BS! But, then again, retired people do have a lot of time on their hands...
He does claim to have a working prototype of the MEG which is standalone and outputting several KW tho and is planning on mass producing them within two or so years. Guess I might just sit on the fence with this one and let time be the judge... Cheers for your input tho :)
BTW thats negentropy. He claims Newtons second law contradicts itself as anything which is becoming disordered implies that it must have become ordered in the first place hence negentropy must have previously occured... Dont put him in the same basket as you have put Mac just yet ( Nothing against you Mac, I quite enjoy reading your side of arguements and believe you have a lot to contribute) Anywayz, not all old people should be automatically ground up and turned into glue, some can make quite useful hatstands...:D

And this guy was hired by the Military. Lol. :)

I also saw that he wrote something about a russian scalar electromagnetic weapon that took your life force away, that it had been used in Afghanistan (were the russians even there?) and that's why some of the bodies had not decomposed over a period of months. Because there were no life force left in them. Supposedly eradicated by this weapon. Well, when I read that I realized it was b.s (well actually when I saw his photo I thought he looked kind of stupid).

Hmm... Everybody hates Bearden.

Surely there's got to be someone out there to defend the guy? Anyone? Anyone?

Still undecided myself, I guess a big part of me just wishes it were true.
Just for the record Anders, Russia had a whole war of their own with Afganistan bout ten years ago (?) and believe it or not, the US was helping fund the Afganis and it has been speculated, even providing some of their weapons tech to help fight Russia... Dont hear much about that these days...
The bodies didn't decompose becoz all the bacteria etc inside the bodies was supposedly killed along with the people. Does make sense in theory...
C'mon Bearden! Where is the MEG?, crank it up and prove everyone wrong... Please! :(

I'm guessing they didn't decompose (at least not as quick) is because of the climate in the area. It's not exactly a rainforest there. I'm probably thinking somewhere along the lines of partial mummification. But I could be wrong. I SERIOUSLY doubt you will ever see this "device" working. Zero point energy is more of a by-product of Heisenberg uncertainty principle. As quoted from the website: http://www.calphysics.org/index.html

"A useful calculational tool in physics is the ideal harmonic oscillator: a hypothetical mass on a perfect spring moving back and forth. The Heisenberg uncertainty principle dictates that such an ideal harmonic oscillator -- one small enough to be subject to quantum laws -- can never come entirely to rest, since that would be a state of exactly zero energy, which is forbidden. In this case the average minimum energy is one-half h times the frequency, hf/2.

Radio waves, light, X-rays, and gamma rays are all forms of electromagnetic radiation. Classically, electromagnetic radiation can be pictured as waves flowing through space at the speed of light. The waves are not waves of anything substantive, but are in fact ripples in a state of a field. These waves do carry energy, and each wave has a specific direction, frequency and polarization state. This is called a "propagating mode of the electromagnetic field."

Each mode is subject to the Heisenberg uncertainty principle. To understand the meaning of this, the theory of electromagnetic radiation is quantized by treating each mode as an equivalent harmonic oscillator. From this analogy, every mode of the field must have hf/2 as its average minimum energy. That is a tiny amount of energy, but the number of modes is enormous, and indeed increases as the square of the frequency. The product of the tiny energy per mode times the huge spatial density of modes yields a very high theoretical energy density per cubic centimeter. "

So no "longitudinal waves" here. Just electromagnetic zero-point fluctuations that result from electromagnetic fields and the fact that a minimum average energy must exist for every mode of the field according to quantum mechanics. This effect on extremely tiny parallel plates, called the "Casimir effect" is pretty negligable overall, and would require a tremendous amount of Casimir devices.

Originally posted by Blaah!
Hmm... Everybody hates Bearden.

Surely there's got to be someone out there to defend the guy? Anyone? Anyone?

Still undecided myself, I guess a big part of me just wishes it were true.
Just for the record Anders, Russia had a whole war of their own with Afganistan bout ten years ago (?) and believe it or not, the US was helping fund the Afganis and it has been speculated, even providing some of their weapons tech to help fight Russia... Dont hear much about that these days...
The bodies didn't decompose becoz all the bacteria etc inside the bodies was supposedly killed along with the people. Does make sense in theory...
C'mon Bearden! Where is the MEG?, crank it up and prove everyone wrong... Please! :(

Ok.

Yea of course the explanation for the bodys that didnt decompose was natural and not the crackpot reason he told us

Even I agreee that this is crackpot...!:D:p