A bad day for the leftists indeed if more states require picture IDs to vote.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/04/28/scotus.voter.id/

I can just hear it now :

- "it's discrimination" !!

- "What, I have to show a photo ID ?!?!?!" damn, now I can't vote for the democratic candidates 4+ times during the day. :mad:

- I was "disenfranchised" in Florida when I couldn't go back in the evening to vote for Gore AGAIN, and now this !!!

It's bad for Democrats, since anything that reduces the ability for people to vote is bad for Democrats. That's because people that might find it hard to get an ID card are also the most disadvantaged, they tend to be elderly, the most victimized by Republican politicies. The issue of fraud without ID cards isn't as significant as some people make it out to be.

It's bad for Democrats, since anything that reduces the ability for people to vote is bad for Democrats. That's because people that might find it hard to get an ID card are also the most disadvantaged, they tend to be elderly, the most victimized by Republican politicies. The issue of fraud without ID cards isn't as significant as some people make it out to be.


LOL, it's "the republican's" fault that the elderly and others don't have ID cards, I seeeeeeeeee. :rolleyes:

Didn't say that. I mean it's hard enough for them to vote in the first place, unless they live in Oregon (vote by mail), much less go to the DMV.

Didn't say that. I mean it's hard enough for them to vote in the first place, unless they live in Oregon (vote by mail), much less go to the DMV.

So it's hard enough for some people to go to the voting booth, lets not make them expend .001 Calorie of energy to pull out an ID card from their purse or wallet ? :rolleyes: pleaseeeeeee

I'm talking about people who don't already have one. You can still be a citizen without having "papers".


And you can also not be a U.S. citizen and not have papers. So get some ID if you don't have any, big deal :shrug:

requiring identification is a small step on a slippery slope.

soon, you will need your "party identification card", like they had in the soviet union.

I'm a poll manager in Georgia, where we recently instituted ID requirements for voting.

It was introduced so well, even the left hasn't gotten their panties in a wad over it.

I do wonder about people claiming all sorts of silly things while arguing for IDs, like "all those illegals will vote!"

The area where I manage the polling place so full of illegals, if any of them were going to vote, you'd think I would see them. They would certainly stand out.

As for the slippery slope argument, sorry, I'm not buying that one. You had to show ID and proof of residency to register in the first place, whether you showed any ID to vote or not. So I guess by the slippery slope logic we had better eliminate asking for ID to register too, eh?

See y'all later...I have to go put on my tinfoil hat now.

I'm talking about people who don't already have one. You can still be a citizen without having "papers".

Really? You don't have a birth certificate?

As for the slippery slope argument, sorry, I'm not buying that one. You had to show ID and proof of residency to register in the first place, whether you showed any ID to vote or not. So I guess by the slippery slope logic we had better eliminate asking for ID to register too, eh?

See y'all later...I have to go put on my tinfoil hat now.

explain to me why, when i returned home after 3 years abroad, i didnt recognize my country?

the government is a SERVANT, not a master. it has no right to deprive me of the right to vote (or anyone who is a u.s. citizen...at least thats what the constitution, declaration of independance, and bill of rights say.

until you can understand this, keep making witty quips about tinfoil hats.
it makes you seem "mainstream", and we all know how important sticking with the herd is.

Really? You don't have a birth certificate?

obviously you have never had to go through the nightmare of trying to prove your identity without government issued ID.

it is nearly impossible to get a copy of your birth certificate without govt ID.

it is nearly impossible to get govt ID without a birth certificate.

it is a cycle that serves to disenfranchise those who arent "professional beauracrats".

I'm talking about people who don't already have one. You can still be a citizen without having "papers".
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Really? You don't have a birth certificate? It took me two years of intermittent hassle and more than one hundred dollars to get a copy of my birth certificate, back when I realized what was happening in my country and decided to get a passport so I would have the necessary papers to paddle a canoe in a river two hundred miles from my home town of many years.

People older than I am and less well credentialed might have even more trouble, and incur more expense. Not all counties - or even states - have efficient administration, and these records are old.

If a law like this passes where I'm living now, I will not be able to vote in November without lying and voting in a district I don't live in (a felony, IIRC) - I don't have and probably cannot obtain ID with my current address on it (I won't have a permanent address for another six months or more, probably, and haven't lived at my passport and driver's license address for over a year).

explain to me why, when i returned home after 3 years abroad, i didnt recognize my country?
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perhaps you got on the wrong plane home - did the immigration officials show you any ID belonging to the nation ? :D

perhaps you got on the wrong plane home - did the immigration officials show you any ID belonging to the nation ? :D

heh..naw.
the first time i went back to the states, i got hassled for having a russian language textbook in my bag....that was enough crap to deal with..i was detained for over an hour while an fbi criminal check was done on me.

yeehaw for "the land of the free".

heh..naw.
the first time i went back to the states, i got hassled for having a russian language textbook in my bag....that was enough crap to deal with..i was detained for over an hour while an fbi criminal check was done on me.

yeehaw for "the land of the free".

I got a bit of a grilling when I went to Alaska last summer - fair enough, I'm not American - what surprised me was how many americans got the same treatment.

The only estimate I've heard is that about 20% of registered black voters in Indiana do not have adequate ID.

The primary is in a week.

Meanwhile, in news about actual voter fraud (the more substantiated allegations of vote fraud have been running about 10/1 favoring Republican candidates for a few years now) we have this: http://www.crooksandliars.com/
Don Siegelman sat down with Air America’s Thom Hartmann yesterday and made very specific allegations of election fraud against Karl Rove and the Bush administration not covered in his interview on 60 Minutes. (h/t S for audio)
[Don Siegelman]: Well yes, we have been saying it, we have been saying it since the night of the election. I mean, we won the election, the votes were counted and were declared and then in one county which is controlled by Republicans the, after midnight when everybody went home, when the poll workers were sent home, when the media was gone, they decided to electronically recount these votes and shifted the votes and certified the vote illegally the next day. The, interestingly, Karl Rove’s client sepped in, the attorney general stepped in and said, ‘if anybody tries to hand count these votes we’re going to put them in jail’. We initially had a green light from the local Republicans in this one area that we could come in and hand count these ballots where the electronic shift occurred.

Didn't say that. I mean it's hard enough for them to vote in the first place, unless they live in Oregon (vote by mail), much less go to the DMV.I travel constantly so I never know whether I'll be home on election day. Therefore I'm permanently registered as an absentee voter. They send the ballot to my home about two weeks in advance. If I'm there I just fill it out and mail it back. If I'm not, my wife mails it to wherever I am and I mail it back. This is California but the absentee ballot system is pretty much the same in all states. Once you're registered you never have to see anyone in person again, as long as you're disciplined enough to fill out the ballot at home and mail it off in time. Of course registering might be a problem but you only have to do that once as long as you stay in the same county.

As far as identification goes, that genie is out of the bottle so we're just going to have to adapt to it. Before long they'll just be able to swab some DNA to prove who you are so nobody will ever have to carry ID again. Why does that not make me feel a great sense of relief? :(

Really? You don't have a birth certificate?

my official birth certificate was lost. only copies exist.

A bad day for the leftists indeed if more states require picture IDs to vote.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/04/28/scotus.voter.id/

I can just hear it now :

- "it's discrimination" !!

- "What, I have to show a photo ID ?!?!?!" damn, now I can't vote for the democratic candidates 4+ times during the day. :mad:

- I was "disenfranchised" in Florida when I couldn't go back in the evening to vote for Gore AGAIN, and now this !!!

Have you ever voted? Obviously not, because when you go to a voter precinct, they look up your name on a list to ensure you're a registered voter, then you're handed a ballot. You can't turn around and come back later to the same precinct, to rinse and repeat. If you were to go to another precinct, they wouldn't have your name listed, therefore you couldn't vote. Even the Indiana State Supreme court admitted that they never had a problem with voter fraud in the past, but they're taking these measures to ensure there isn't.

i agree with you spider. The liberals inacted legislation a while ago that forced people to get a signed stat dec conferming your identiy before you could register to vote. Who did this target concidering that the AEC says we have a negligable amount of voter fraud in australia? Aborigionals, the homeless, first time voters ect. Here is the double kicker though, voting is compusery so not only COULDNT they vote but they could also be fined for NOT voting. That year labor drove JP's around in vans to all the elecrol districts so that they could sign people up to and then abolished the legislation. Then recently the former goverment changed the legislation again so that photo id is required to register to vote and they moved back the cut off date to enrol to the day the writs are issued rather than giving people an extra week. There claim was that this would save the AEC work when they didnt have the staff, insted it INCREASED there work pre election because they had to spend money on ad's and fliers and other advertising to get the message out that people needed to enrol NOW not latter. So why did they do it? Again it targets the homless, aborigionals, the elderly and the young and guess who DOESNT vote for the libs? you guessed it

explain to me why, when i returned home after 3 years abroad, i didnt recognize my country?

Probably for the same reason that in the past few years my country has become unrecognizable in many ways?

What does that have to do with voting?

the government is a SERVANT, not a master. it has no right to deprive me of the right to vote (or anyone who is a u.s. citizen...at least thats what the constitution, declaration of independance, and bill of rights say.


When someone makes a requirement for voting that actually prevents you from voting, that requires you to lay out cash or be literate, do let me know. Oh, I'm sure there are some poorly crafted laws out there, but not all of them are and in principle there is nothing wrong about requiring that someone present ID to vote.

until you can understand this, keep making witty quips about tinfoil hats.
it makes you seem "mainstream", and we all know how important sticking with the herd is.

Uh huh. Yeah, I'm in no position to understand this. I'm just a poll manager in Georgia where I get to see firsthand just how many "problems" we've had with this law. :bugeye:

No friend, I concern is one thing and it pays to keep ones eyes open, but the level of outrage I just read in your post about the very principle strikes me as something more ripe for Reynolds Wrap.

obviously you have never had to go through the nightmare of trying to prove your identity without government issued ID.

it is nearly impossible to get a copy of your birth certificate without govt ID.

it is nearly impossible to get govt ID without a birth certificate.

it is a cycle that serves to disenfranchise those who arent "professional beauracrats".

I've done all these things to get a passport.

Next quip, dear?

When someone makes a requirement for voting that actually prevents you from voting, that requires you to lay out cash or be literate, do let me know. The Indiana law will prevent some registered voters who have voted before, living in their home towns and voting (in some cases) downstairs in the same old folks edifice they have lived in for years, from voting in this election.

I've done all these things to get a passport. So have I. It took two years and cost me more than one hundred dollars on top of the passport fee. And neither that passport nor my current driver's license would allow me to vote honestly under Indiana law, since I am temporarily without a permanent address.

Such inconveniences, like the other extra inconveniences attached to voter identification recently nationwide, afflict Democratic voters more than Republican voters, black votes more than white voters, poor voters more than rich voters. The "felony" list in Florida in 2000 was maybe the most blatant, but the list is a long one.

I am Jewish and i am voting for Obama.

The Indiana law will prevent some registered voters who have voted before, living in their home towns and voting (in some cases) downstairs in the same old folks edifice they have lived in for years, from voting in this election.

Then *that* is a problem and it needs to be dealt with.

But it's no reason to object to the general idea of requiring ID to vote.

Such inconveniences, like the other extra inconveniences attached to voter identification recently nationwide, afflict Democratic voters more than Republican voters, black votes more than white voters, poor voters more than rich voters.

I've noticed, and have been a constant complainer about the idea that we just have to have elections where you have between 7am and 7pm on a weekday to go vote and it has to be in your neighborhood.

That may have worked when you could walk all over a town easily, but try that in Atlanta traffic sometime. And yes, people with jobs where they have to clock in at certain times and where they are limited by our paltry public transport are obviously going to be disproportionately inconvenienced. That needs to be remedies.

GA has done something in that direction by having advance voting in locations where you don't have to travel 60+ miles from work to your precinct to vote and you have a week to try and fit things into your schedule.

Provisional voting has been a pain in the butt for poll workers, but has saved more than a few voters in my polling place from being disenfranchised, so I'm glad for that addition as well.

Now if we could just nuke those inadequate voting machines. *sigh*

The "felony" list in Florida in 2000 was maybe the most blatant, but the list is a long one.

Yes, I believe it was about 96K voters, many scrubbed when obviously there was no reason for that? Yes, that was beyond blatant, and I find it hard to accept there have been no consequences for that.

all i know is a voter id law has pissed off a bunch of nuns

What is the problem, you have to provide identification to get a drivers license, usually a birth certificate to prove you are of age, you have to provide identification to buy cigarettes, or liquored, to get on a flight, so why the problem about presenting a legal ID to vote?

Those are just the minimum of things requiring a ID that I could think of, there are a lot more, to receive Unemployment compensation is another one that has just come to mind.

What is the problem, you have to provide identification to get a drivers license, usually a birth certificate to prove you are of age, you have to provide identification to buy cigarettes, or liquored, to get on a flight, so why the problem about presenting a legal ID to vote?

Those are just the minimum of things requiring a ID that I could think of, there are a lot more, to receive Unemployment compensation is another one that has just come to mind.

um how bout the problem is it is unequal when you compare going to the polls and voting absentee

and of course when you look at the groups who are more likly NOT to have id like the homeless, aborigionals (in australia oviously) and those who have just turned 18.