More savagery from the Bush Junta

Discussion in 'World Events' started by Brian Foley, Nov 11, 2007.

  1. Brian Foley REFUSE - RESIST Valued Senior Member

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    You must wonder at how Mr. Brose has been instructed to "extract" information from detainees. Techniques using compulsion by threat or force for the coercion of information is duress and is not admissible as evidence . However It appears that Junta in Washington doesn't really care, as long as they get the kind of answers they want in order to "sell" the impending pre-emptive war on Iran.
     
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  3. Mr.Spock Back from the dead Valued Senior Member

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    nuclear Iran=nuclear war.
     
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  5. Gustav Banned Banned

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    cool running=running cool
    this is fun
    your turn
     
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  7. Mr.Spock Back from the dead Valued Senior Member

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    nuclear war=gustav

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  8. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    Now who exactly is Micah Brose, the only place he show up anywhere is in this story, and as for his claim of being a Private Contract Interrogator, I think he is full of shit, to do what he has just done violates all of the security that he is subject to and will put him in jail for violation of any supposed security clearance he claims to have. He is full of bullshit, and the story is nothing but sensationalist speculation.


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    Social Democrat? isn't that the title for Nazi?
     
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  9. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Evidently, anything that can be linked to Iran=nuclear war. This is why we have to impeach.
     
  10. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    Social democratic parties originally included both democratic socialists and revolutionary socialists. Indeed, the split with the revolutionary socialists, including Rosa Luxemburg and Vladimir Lenin, was spectacularly hostile. After World War I and the Russian Revolution, many leading social democrats, including Eduard Bernstein, were explicitly non-revolutionary. Consequently, as the years passed, the Bolsheviks and other Marxist-Leninist parties ultimately adopted a strategy of publicly denouncing social democrats as "social fascists."
     
  11. desi Valued Senior Member

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    Actually I don't wonder about it much at all. I take for granted our people who interrogate our enemies have a free hand to find out what we need to know to keep my family fat, happy, and relatively safe in the world.

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  12. Mr. G reality.sys Valued Senior Member

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    You're your own junta trying to get the kind of answers you want to sell your tripe as if it was odor-free.

    No sale.
     
  13. sandy Banned Banned

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    We're not going to impeach anyone. Iminajihad has already declared that he wants to wipe out Israel and the USA. He is developing nukes as we chat. (If he doesn't already have them and is just hiding them/waiting...) What should we do? Stop him now? Let him get the nukes? When/if he does and he tries to take out Israel, what should we do? Wait for him to attack us? What do YOU think we should do?
     
  14. Thoreau Valued Senior Member

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    Sandy, you obviously have no clue regarding anything you are talking about here. I strongly suggest you do more research before spouting comments like these from your...... mouth.
     
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  15. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    Really?

    BBC NEWS | World | Middle East | Iran 'reaches key nuclear goal'
    Iran has met a key target for its nuclear programme and now has 3000 centrifuges enriching uranium, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has said. ...
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6974903.stm

    Iran 'reaches key nuclear goal'

    The UN says Iran is using the Natanz facility for enrichment
    Iran has met a key target for its nuclear programme and now has 3,000 centrifuges enriching uranium, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has said.
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    "We have more than 3,000 centrifuges working and every week a new set is installed," Mr Ahmadinejad was quoted as saying by Iranian news agencies.
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    Sounds like its full speed ahead for Mr Ahmadinejad, and his nuclear ambitions
    he sure the hell isn't backing off of his goal to develope nukes.
     
  16. Thoreau Valued Senior Member

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    The Iranian nuclear program was launched in the 1950s with the help of the United States as part of the Atoms for Peace program. After the Iranian Revolution in 1979, the government temporarily disbanded the program, and then revived it with less Western assistance than during the pre-revolution era. Iran's current effort includes several research sites, a uranium mine, a nuclear reactor, and uranium processing facilities that include a uranium enrichment plant. The Iranian government asserts that the program's goal is to develop nuclear power plants, and that it plans to use them to generate 6,000 MW of electricity by 2010. The U.S. and some other nations' officials allege the program covers an attempt to acquire nuclear weapons. As of October 2007, however, the IAEA has seen "no evidence" that this is the case. Iran's officials have also categorically denied the accusations and insisted that they will maintain their right to peaceful nuclear technology.

    Gawdat Bahgat, Director of the Center for Middle Eastern Studies at Indiana University of Pennsylvania, asserts that Iranian's nuclear program is formed by three forces: one, perception of security threats from Pakistan, Iraq, Israel, and the United States; two, domestic economic and political dynamics; and three, national pride. Bahgat further outlines four key influences on Iran's relations with the international community and how that impacts Iran's position on its nuclear program:

    Iranian officials have little confidence in the international community because of its behavior during the 1980s Iran-Iraq war. During that war the larger and more populous Iran had the upper hand, but to close the geographic and demographic gap, Saddam Hussein used chemical weapons against Iranian troops and civilians. These chemical weapons killed or injured thousands of Iranians and played a major role in turning the war in favor of Iraq. The international community was notably indifferent, doing little to condemn Iraq or to protect Iran. This indifference has reinforced the Iranian view that 'Iran is fully justified in arming itself with nuclear weapons for defense and deterrence.' The Gulf war (1990–91) only confirmed the new perceptions. As Shahram Chubin asserts, “Iran has learned from its war with Iraq that, for deterrence to operate, the threatening state must be confronted with the certainty of an equivalent response. The threat of in-kind retaliation (or worse) deterred Iraq’s use of chemical weapons in Desert Storm; it appears that the absence of such a retaliatory capability facilitated its decision to use chemical weapons against Iran."

    Lack of confidence in the international community was reinforced when many nations, under pressure from the United States, rejected or withdrew from signed commercial deals with the Iranian nuclear authority.
    Most of the information regarding Iran's nuclear capability is classified and thus one can not make accurate assessments. "However, based on open sources, some analysts believe that Tehran has developed a significant indigenous nuclear infrastructure. Its programme is more advanced than Libya’s prior to 2003, but less developed than that of North Korea." Iran's "indigenous nuclear infrastructure" is open to IAEA inspection and even school tour groups, and so hardly needs be the subject of beliefs or speculation.

    "Despite long-time accusations that Iran is pursuing nuclear weapons, no one has produced a 'smoking gun.' However, the scope and long secrecy of Iranian nuclear activities have led many observers to conclude that Iran is pursuing such a capability." Iranians assert that some degree of secrecy was necessary as a result of previous US pressures on foreign cooperation with the development of Iran's nuclear energy program.

    In 2005, a bipartisan Congressional intelligence panel concluded that American intelligence on Iran was too inadequate to allow firm judgements about Iran's weapons programs.

    Currently, thirteen states possess operational enrichment or reprocessing facilities, which are necessary to produce fissile material for nuclear weapons. To alleviate concerns that its civilian nuclear program may be diverted to non-peaceful uses, Iran has offered to place additional restrictions on its nuclear program. These offers included, for example, ratifying the Additional Protocol to allow additional inspections, operating the uranium enrichment facility at Natanz as a multinational fuel center, renouncing plutonium reprocessing and immediately fabricating all enriched uranium into reactor fuel rods. Iran's offer to open its uranium enrichment program to foreign private and public participation corresponds to suggestions of an IAEA expert committee which was formed to investigate the methods to reduce the risk that sensitive fuel cycle activities could contribute to national nuclear weapons capabilities. Iran has likewise been offered "a long-term comprehensive arrangement which would allow for the development of relations and cooperation with Iran based on mutual respect and the establishment of international confidence in the exclusively peaceful nature of Iran’s nuclear program."

    Since 1974 Iran has consistently called for the creation of a nuclear-weapons free zone in the Middle East. Iranian authorities repeatedly assert that nuclear weapons would harm rather than strengthen their security environment, and would confer no strategic benefit on their country. As stated by Hossein Mousavian, a member of Iran's nuclear negotiating team:

    It is incorrect to say that Iran's nuclear activities constitute a response to perceived nuclear threats from other states, such as Israel, or to a strategic threat arising from the US presence in Iraq and Afghanistan. It is therefore also incorrect to adduce the existence of this threat as evidence that Iran is aiming at a nuclear weapons programme. Naturally, Iran is concerned by the fact that Israel possesses a substantial nuclear arsenal, but Iran's possession of nuclear weapons would not reduce its fears on this score. Similarly, Iranian concerns regarding the US military presence in the region would in no way be allayed were Iran to possess nuclear weapons. The possession of nuclear weapons would neither be conducive to Iranian security nor in reality enhance the perception of security enjoyed by the Iranian people.
     
  17. Brian Foley REFUSE - RESIST Valued Senior Member

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    Hopefully he is the new Scott Ritter who develops a conscience and speaks out against the LIE's being told about peaceful Iran and informs the public as here about these interrogations to frame up Iran .
    Unfortunately due to an aggressive American War Policy at present being inflicted on Iraq the families of Iraq consist of malnourished infants whose parents are terrorized by the effects of the US occupation designed to keep US corporations profits relatively safe from the impoverished subjects of Iraq .
    Thank you I take that as a sign that I am on the correct track because if the day ever arrives that you agree with me politically will be a very worrying day for me .
    You just slipped up , your an Israeli , I knew it , no American is this fanatically rightwing . I knew something about you smelled of Bullshit .


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  18. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    Yes a child molester, and internet predator, thank you for clearing that up.

    By the way the U.S. stopped using contract interrogators after the screw up called Abu Grieb, now what do you think about that?
     
  19. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    No the only smell of bull shit is from your end.

    Brian your are boring and predictable.
     
  20. ashura the Old Right Registered Senior Member

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    What do you think we should do?
     
  21. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    If you care to look at the facts, the vast majority of casualties in Iraq among civilians, comes from Moslems killing, Moslems, foreign Moslem Terrorist killing Iraqis because they won't or don't believe in the Terrorist extreme form of Islam.

    The fact is that violence is down by over 70%, the rocket and mortar attacks are at their lowest point in 21 months, and the Iraqis are coming over to the Government and Coalition in droves, they have finally figured out that it was the Foreign Terrorist who were killing them, all of them Sunni, Shia', Kurd, Turkoman, Assyrian, that it is the foreign terrorist who are trying to foment a civil war in Iraq for their own purpose, and not for the Iraqi Liberation, but for the subjugation of Iraq to their radical form of Islam.
     
  22. sandy Banned Banned

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    I'm not an Israeli but I do support them. The Jews are God's "chosen people."

    I don't see the "fanatically rightwing". To me it is common sense, patriotism, wisdom, integrity, good character, decency, and love of God/country. There are plenty of us in the USA. We're called the majority and we win elections. Twice!

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    No bs here. Good Christians don't lie.

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  23. sandy Banned Banned

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    Iminjihad has already threatened the USA and Israel.

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    Two scenerios: First one. They have no nuke yet but they're close.
    Stop them. Let them know the world is serious about them not having nukes. Threaten them that if they don't stop, we will stop them. Watch them very closely. If/when they don't stop and they're thisclose to having a nuke, we/our allies take it out. They CAN NOT have a nuke. They will try to destroy Israel and us.

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    Second one: They may already have a nuke. Take it out. Now. Destroy all their nuclear facilities. Before they destroy us.

    Condi and W are not real interested in a pre-emptive strike right now.

    I think Israel may take it out before we do. I could be wrong.
     

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