Small update. I was going to tack it onto one of the threads, but realized that it's a more major point than I originally thought, given the fact that a poster here predicted no Christian deaths from the cartoon fallout. He was wrong. Moreover, there have been churches burned in Nigeria, and I think some Maronite ones in Lebanon also. Geoff Vatican to Muslims: practice what you preach By Tom Heneghan, Religion Editor 2 hours, 25 minutes ago PARIS (Reuters) - After backing calls by Muslims for respect for their religion in the Mohammad cartoons row, the Vatican is now urging Islamic countries to reciprocate by showing more tolerance toward their Christian minorities. [That would be nice, yes - Geoff] ... Vatican prelates have been concerned by recent killings of two Catholic priests in Turkey and Nigeria. Turkish media linked the death there to the cartoons row. At least 146 Christians and Muslims have died in five days of religious riots in Nigeria. [So, no deaths of Christians - right, Brian? The priests (plural now) don't count? - Geoff] "If we tell our people they have no right to offend, we have to tell the others they have no right to destroy us," Cardinal Angelo Sodano, the Vatican's Secretary of State (prime minister), told journalists in Rome. "We must always stress our demand for reciprocity in political contacts with authorities in Islamic countries and, even more, in cultural contacts," Foreign Minister Archbishop Giovanni Lajolo told the daily Corriere della Sera. Reciprocity -- allowing Christian minorities the same rights as Muslims generally have in Western countries, such as building houses of worship or practicing religion freely -- is at the heart of Vatican diplomacy toward Muslim states. [Again - that would be nice - Geoff] http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060223/wl_nm/religion_vatican_muslims_dc
Should there even have been one, dkb? Seriously. You tell me how many muslim and Christian deaths would be enough. Or get so fixated on bickering about the numbers that you overlook the big picture. Hell, you're not even sure about a big number like 6,000,000 so I suppose I can see why you're arguing about this one. Geoff
This is an article concerning inter-faith relations not an indictment on the effects of the anti-Mohammed cartoons , it covers an ongoing situation over many decades . Neither in this article is an indictment linking the cartoons and Christian murders . Yet the Vatican has not blamed the killings on the anti-Mohammed cartoons. So you can provide me with a current , that is as of the 24th of February 2006 , Turkish newspaper source which links the murder with the anti-Mohammed cartoons then ? So clearly your rampaging Islamcist lynch mobs you prophesized are just a figment of your imagination. As of now some 6 months has elapsed since the publications of these cartoons and not one murder of a non-moslem has been definitely attributed to those islamicists seeking retribution , only those Moslems who have been offended by these cartoons have died and that is some 25+ . Now would you stop spamming sciforums with this repetive shit , I now believe this is your 6th post concerning these Fucking cartoons , and stop attaching attaching my name to it , in some infantile attempt on your behalf to draw me into some childish debate .
You asked me for supportive evidence for my position: there it is. What more do you want? Man. So - the Vatican now operates as a police force as well? You'd think there'd be an encyclical about something like that. "Vatican CSI" or something. This is deeply amusing. So now it has to be a Turkish newspaper? Can't be a Greek one? How about a Hungarian one? And if I provided you with that (from a country where my suspicion is that the press is not-quite-free, if the authoritarianism of the place can be guessed from Cyprus and what they do to Kurds), then would it have to be a "religious conservative paper"? Then, perhaps a "Shi'ite religious conservative paper"? Then, perhaps, a "disabled militant Eskimo Shi'ite religious conservative paper"? By all means, let's get unbiased sources, of course. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Ahem...Nigeria, doofus? Did we miss reading that link? Come on now, little fella. Don't pretend you can't read - it's very disconcerting. You should probably tell that to the rampaging Islamicist lynch mobs - they seem to be about six months behind the times, to use your math. And, of course, the rash of Nigerian deaths falls right into line with their current protests. What exactly was your point here? And have you started caring about muslims that die in the protests? Kudos! (Finally.) Hey, hey, hey now! - I didn't post your name here. What's all this then? Are you saying you're the poster I was talking about? Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! It's simple, though, Brian: you were wrong. Literally hundreds of deaths. Admit it and I don't need to post any more evidence. Hell, you could even twist it around like you like to do to blame the Danes! (Those idolater embassy-whores!) I know, I know - I only have a couple months on the forum compared to your massive 2 1/2 year stint in the noble defense of SciForums from nonsensical postings - but I still like to do my part to help debate. Geoff
The title of your thread is " More deaths in Islamic cartoon violence " the article isnt even about that . You state quite clearly here that What are you talking about this is your source and your source lays no blame to these deaths . Again for Fucks sake you chose this line : and I asked could I see a current Turkish up date , like I asked for one in the last thread and you still cannot provide one. Where did I write it wasnt Nigeria you Fucking idiot ? This is from 3 hours ago , read where I hi-lighted , It looks like it is just good old Tribal violence between North and South .Christians attacking muslims and vice versa political uncertainty .... Now this will be the last time I comment on this subject I am fully bored of it , I would be interested in seeing a current link for the Turkish murder though .
Can you not read? 146 people dead in Nigeria. And it's as stupid a request now as it was then. Oy vay...someone please explain logic to him. He doesn't get what I'm saying at all. Fanned by islamic attacks about the cartoons. Thanks for playing. As you have nothing to contribute, good. Geoff
No, Geoff you're right one death over this is too much. No, I'm not sure about the 6 million number which is why I asked about how the accounting came about to justify the number. If it's six million, so be it. Me wanting to know how the number came about is not saying it didn't happen GEOFF - That kinda pisses me off about you. Taking a question I asked and imply something I never said. That makes you a liar Geoff. A Savage Nation/FoxNews/Neocon kinda liar. If you can find anyplace on this site where I denied the holocaust, I'll owe you an apology. Since you've been dragging my name through the mud, saying that I said certain things, you sir or maam, owe me an apology!!! I demand action sir!!! :bugeye:
Demand away; you may ask, but ye shall not receive. You said you didn't know about the Holocaust since you weren't there. End of story. Your "accounting" issue amounts to a slow drive at questioning the number of deaths; that's a form of Holocaust denial. And that kinda pisses me off about you. Same as implying I'm associated with this "Savage Nation", whatever the hell that is. So you apologize first for your inference and I'll apologize next for...well, tossing your own words back at you, I guess. Geoff
how ignorant can one religion get? jesus christ you morons it's a CARTOON these people are confirming g.w.b. for taking on terrorism you people are what gives muslims a bad name you know that? don't even get me started on civil disobediance.
