Some members of this forum have an extreme aversion to porn. Feminists have suggested that porn causes women to be objectified and therefore increases sex crimes. A recent study shows just the opposite:
First, porn. What happens when more people view more of it? The rise of the Internet offers a gigantic natural experiment. Better yet, because Internet usage caught on at different times in different states, it offers 50 natural experiments.

The bottom line on these experiments is, "More Net access, less rape." A 10 percent increase in Net access yields about a 7.3 percent decrease in reported rapes. States that adopted the Internet quickly saw the biggest declines. And, according to Clemson professor Todd Kendall, the effects remain even after you control for all of the obvious confounding variables, such as alcohol consumption, police presence, poverty and unemployment rates, population density, and so forth. That's a pretty powerful effect. Increase internet access 10% for a 7% drop in rape. Almost one to one. But, you might say, increased internet use doesn't necesarily mean increased use of porn! Maybe they're just surfing the web instead of out commiting crimes. Well, what about this:
OK, so we can at least tentatively conclude that Net access reduces rape. But that's a far cry from proving that porn access reduces rape. Maybe rape is down because the rapists are all indoors reading Slate or vandalizing Wikipedia. But professor Kendall points out that there is no similar effect of Internet access on homicide. It's hard to see how Wikipedia can deter rape without deterring other violent crimes at the same time. On the other hand, it's easy to imagine how porn might serve as a substitute for rape.
http://slate.com/id/2152487/
Another thing about this study is that it belies the old myth about rape not being about sex. If rape isn't about sex, why should giving someone another outlet for their sexual urges decrease rape?

Hooray for porn!

Some members of this forum have an extreme aversion to porn.

Really? Who :shrug:

I've always believed that rape was a crime of violence and porn is a sexual outlet. Why would there be any correlation?

Yes, but rape is sexual violence i.e. it's more about sex than violence.

Well the participants in pornographic material have a psychological deficiency that may manifest itself into other areas of their lives. Same can be said of people obsessively looking at it, many are capable of rape in worst case scenario or just develop an abnormal outlook on women in general. Take your pick.

I've always believed that rape was a crime of violence and porn is a sexual outlet. Why would there be any correlation?

Of course there is a correlation. Rape is not always violent, to say there is no sexual component is fictitious.

If you read his report, even he admits there are a lot of issues that cannot be resolved in the study. For example the fact that there are such a high percentage of unreported rapes in the US, and the reasons behind the victim's not reporting to the police.

I don't know ...seems to show almost conclusively that if men get all or most of the sex that they want or need, then the world is a happier place.

Perhaps this will coax more women to put out willing to men ....and more often, too!

WOMEN! DON'T GET RAPED ....GIVE IT AWAY! :D

Baron Max

Some members of this forum have an extreme aversion to porn.

Do they? I haven't noticed.

Feminists have suggested that porn causes women to be objectified and therefore increases sex crimes.

It certainly objectifies women. Agree?

Yes, but rape is sexual violence i.e. it's more about sex than violence.

I'd say it's more about violence than sex.

Rape is not always violent, to say there is no sexual component is fictitious.

Of course there is a sexual component.

But the only rape that isn't violent is where the victim capitulates out of fear of violence.

I'd have to agree with what JamesR posted. Probably for the first time.

It certainly objectifies women. Agree?

Most porn objectifies men more than women.

Notice how the camera seldom lingers on the male face?

Regardless, sexuality becomes more objectified as one gets closer to orgasm, for both men and women.

Most porn objectifies men more than women.

Notice how the camera seldom lingers on the male face?

That's because most porn is made by men, for men, and men are more interested in looking at women than looking at men.

That's because most porn is made by men, for men, and men are more interested in looking at women than looking at men.
Yes, and what could be more objectifying than being nothing more than an erection with a body attached to it.

Notice the cover art on DVDs, usually a big picture of the star's face...a women 99% of the time.

I think this whole study is just a big pile of shit!!

Lol... didn't last long my dear... :)

Maybe rape is down because the rapists are all indoors reading Slate or vandalizing Wikipedia.


Or maybe there watching rape porn.

Lol... didn't last long my dear... :)

Did you think it would? lol

Funny because I just watched a show last week. They had women on who were brutally raped by their husbands. Most of these men were heavily into porn. A lot of these men wanted to do the same things they were watching and when their wives were not interested they raped them.
They were also belittling them by saying stuff like...why don't you look like these women? Trying to get them to dress up like their favorite porn stars...calling them all kinds of names...expecting them to just drop to their knees whenever they wanted. They were completely abusive.

I have to say, that's a very good point.

A lot of sex-addicts use porn, only to resort to more dangerous things... its a bit like the psychology of drugs in many respects.

WOMEN! DON'T GET RAPED ....GIVE IT AWAY! :D

Baron Max


Give it away? Did you miss the thread about selling it on E-Bay? :bugeye:

Good point, shorty_37.

Porn is mostly a problem for men who don't have any (or much) experience with real women. That is often true with young men (teens-early 20s).

Men who spend a lot of time viewing porn and little time actually talking with women can get all kinds of weird ideas about what women want or like when it comes to sex. Some come to see women as just an extra appliance for their own sexual pleasure. The pleasure (or lack of it) of the woman in the sexual experience never enters their minds.

.calling them all kinds of names...expecting them to just drop to their knees whenever they wanted. They were completely abusive.
Oddly enough, the same thing happens in lesbian porn.

Some of the most extreme stuff Ive ever seen is in lesbian magazines...produced by and for lesbians.

That can happen in your movies and shit. I am talking about men who brought it into their RELATIONSHIPS. Men that were abusing and raping their wives. The one guy was talking from jail.

Good point, shorty_37.
The pleasure (or lack of it) of the woman in the sexual experience never enters their minds.
Actually, a women who shows no sign of pleasure would be instantly fired from most porn videos sets.

I am talking about men who brought it into their RELATIONSHIPS. Men that were abusing and raping their wives. The one guy was talking from jail. He admitted his porn addiction and how it lead to what he was doing.How do you know those men wouldnt be doing the same without porn?

Kids who spend most of their time killing people and blowing things up in video games dont necessarily bring that into their real life behaviour.

Is it the porn that drives them to rape their wives or others? That is a question that needs to be addressed.

Men who abuse and rape their partners do not need porn to drive that particular need for power and aggression. I suspect that is part of their psychological make up. Porn might play a role and further perpetuating their views of women as sex objects and may also allow them to think that women want to be treated that way. I think deep down, most men who rape and abuse their wives would have done so regardless of the porn. Porn only serves to justify their own actions in their own minds. After all, not everyone who watches porn (or violent porn at that) abuse or rape.

Well I agree, not everyone who watches porn is violent. I am talking a about a show that just focused on that particuar issue. Well some of the husbands did speak and admitted to their porn addiction. They admitted that after watching or looking at so much of it, their partners were no longer that attractive to them anymore. Afterall how many of us women look like that ? That is where the belittling and name calling came in.

I am not saying all men who look at porn become addicted or act this way. I do however think a lot of relationships are also ruined by it.

Actually, a women who shows no sign of pleasure would be instantly fired from most porn videos sets.

I'm curious. How genuine do you think the pleasure of the women in porn videos is?

I think you have to either agree with it or not!! When in a relationship you are either on the same page or you aren't. If you aren't I don't think there is much hope for the relationship. I know women who don't speak up about it as much as they would like to. They don't like the whole porn thing either.
Instead of rocking the boat and getting into arguments they keep it inside. It just builds and eats at them anyway. Me on the other hand have no problems speaking up when something bothers me. I say it like it is!!! I don't agree with it, the whole idea upsets me. If that is a problem and someone can't deal with it then we have a problem, a road block. If that is the case there is no point staying together, it won't work.

If someone thinks they will just sneak around and do it anyway, then I feel like they have no respect for my feelings and it won't work either.

I'm curious. How genuine do you think the pleasure of the women in porn videos is?
Its pretty hard to fake a squirting orgasm.

I think if one took a survey of porn actresses in interviews it would be hard to come away with the impression of hapless victims who feel no sexual pleasure.

The feminists of the world love projecting the idea that ALL women are asexual, virtuous, and intensely political. Of course what they are really describing is merely themselves.

Women are as different from each other as apples and grenades.

Shorty has some very good points, which i think makes the census incorrect.

Its pretty hard to fake a squirting orgasm.

I think if one took a survey of porn actresses in interviews it would be hard


Actually faking a squirt is quite commonplace 'apparently'. I heard that they up insert water up their vagina and then when its the right time to squirt they push down and they squirt water.

I think its amazing and pretty strange how women can squirt... They are like little water-guns..

I'm curious. How genuine do you think the pleasure of the women in porn videos is?

Yeah I would like to know that too. I am sure they can moan on cue,
till the camera stops rolling. Oh yeah and don't forget all the screaming
and such.....:rolleyes:

Yeah I would like to know that too. I am sure they can moan on cue,
till the camera stops rolling. Oh yeah and don't forget all the screaming
and such.....:rolleyes:
Most of them are not great actors. :cool:

The pleasure cannot be genuine. It must be all acting, because i know i wouldn't feel to sexy in their degrading positions - and the industry for men - they only remain errected because they have taken viagra. Or they are pure horn-dogs.

Well they are getting paid, I am sure a lot of money to put on a show!

I couldn't carry on like most of them, screaming and whatnot because I would start laughing lol

I asked in another thread, to some of the men who apparently can't live without their porn. Does your wife know to what extent you look at it? Do they agree, are they fine with it.

They wouldn't answer, even after I asked numerous times. They seemed to avoid the question. This says to me NO their wives don't approve so they are sneaking around.

Madanthonywayne (the thread starter) even went as far as to say, A monogamous relationship has no chance of surviving without porn! :bugeye: See to me that says something

about how he views a relationship. I think it is rather fucked up.

Well, it can cause a woman to feel rejected, as the porn is in fact now a perfect substitute to themselves...

Getting back to this study which I think is BS!

As it states Reported Rapes. I am sure that there are tons of women out there who never report being raped. So right there this study is inaccurate.

Another impervious point made by shorty.

Let us face it:
Women do not like porn because it is from Male POV.

Members who are in this forum are usually not rapists (may be one we do not know :D) and hence can not discuss from their experience.

Women are aroused differently than men. And Women do not accept that difference.

As a male gets older, he forgets the amplitude of horniness when he was young along with the thought process.

So, it is politically incorrect to discuss truth about Porn the same way it is also taboo to discuss :m: and communism.

Getting back to this study which I think is BS!

As it states Reported Rapes. I am sure that there are tons of women out there who never report being raped. So right there this study is inaccurate.

Indeed. Lets leave talk of "squirting" out of this and keep it on topic please.

The study actually talks of unreported rapes shorty, and the author admits that the true figures can never be known or properly estimated due to the sheer number of rapes that do go unreported each year in every state.

Women are aroused differently than men. And Women do not accept that difference.
That is not really at issue here though. Women and men both watch porn. There is a view that pornography is solely for men, when women do enjoy it just as much. No one is disputing the differences in arousal for either men or women. I would imagine not all men find the same thing to be arousing, just as not all women are aroused by the same things as other women.

And we are assuming that only men rape, when women can and have also been rapists. Does pornography play a role in women raping men?

As a male gets older, he forgets the amplitude of horniness when he was young along with the thought process.

I think it is more a case of his tastes change as he gets older and experiences new things.

Does pornography play a role in women raping men?





Yes you are right bells, I just read the other link that was in that article. That is what I meant when I said that. The study is inaccurate to do the fact that not all rapes are reported.



If that was the case, I think men would be forcing women to watch porn lol

Shorty has some very good points, which i think makes the census incorrect.
Shorty has anecdotal evidence from a TV show and a bunch of conjecture.

She has raised more important points, than what i can see in the threads opening words. The arguements are just, and sensical.

Getting back to this study which I think is BS!

As it states Reported Rapes. I am sure that there are tons of women out there who never report being raped. So right there this study is inaccurate.Do you have some reason to expect that increased access to the internet causes women not to report rapes? Otherwise, that issue is irrelevent.

Well i don't know about the internet, but i do remember there being a consensus that possibly over half of all rapes are never reported.

Do you have some reason to expect that increased access to the internet causes women not to report rapes? Otherwise, that issue is irrelevent.

Hardly irrelevant. The author himself has admitted they cannot account for the amount of rapes that do go unreported in the study. Surely a 50%+ figure of unreported rapes would skew the results somewhat, wouldn't you say?

If you are going to discuss the effects of pornography on rape, then you also need to take into account unreported rapes. As such, making a claim that an increase of 10% in accessing internet pornography = a 7.3% decrease reported rape cases cannot yield a correct result, seeing the figure of unreported rapes being so high (in excess of 50%). So the correlation can be skewed either way if unreported rapes are taken into account.

You all seem to be forgetting that correlation does not imply causation.Some of the most extreme stuff Ive ever seen is in lesbian magazines...produced by and for lesbians.You don't really believe that it's lesbians who buy those things in any great numbers, do you? Lesbian sex is common in porno for straight men.

No, that's irrelevent. We can safely assume that internet access among men does not affect women's decision to report rape, so we can assume that the ratio of unreported/reported rapes will remain the same and will not affect the ratio of men accessing internet porn.

Unless of course, shorty and Bells want to explain why women are less likely to report rape because men look at porn online?

Lesbian sex is common in porno for straight men.

He's referring to lesbian materials like "On Our Backs" and such, which are produced for a lesbian audience.

Well i don't know about the internet, but i do remember there being a consensus that possibly over half of all rapes are never reported.
Ok, sure. But again, that has no effect on this study. There's no reason to assume an uneven distribution of unreported rapes. And, as the article said:
the effects remain even after you control for all of the obvious confounding variables, such as alcohol consumption, police presence, poverty and unemployment rates, population density, and so forth.

Hardly irrelevant. The author himself has admitted they cannot account for the amount of rapes that do go unreported in the study. Surely a 50%+ figure of unreported rapes would skew the results somewhat, wouldn't you say?.Why would it skew it? And what is the 50% unreported figure based on? It sounds like something someone made up. How can we know how much of something occurs that is not reported? Any study can only deal with information that exists. That is, reported rapes.

Ok, sure. But again, that has no effect on this study. There's no reason to assume an uneven distribution of unreported rapes.

THANK YOU!

Talking about the unreported rapes is simply reaching.

No, that's irrelevent. We can safely assume that internet access among men does not affect women's decision to report rape, so we can assume that the ratio of unreported/reported rapes will remain the same and will not affect the ratio of men accessing internet porn.

Unless of course, shorty and Bells want to explain why women are less likely to report rape because men look at porn online?

That's not what I meant.

I was saying the large numbers of unreported rapes would skew the results of more porn = less rape.. something he states in his report. After all, we do not know what kind of factor porn has on rapes that do go unreported. But since this is about reported rapes, it is in part irrelavant to this topic. However it should not be entirely discounted.

Why would it skew it? And what is the 50% unreported figure based on? It sounds like something someone made up. How can we know how much of something occurs that is not reported? Any study can only deal with information that exists. That is, reported rapes.
Did you read the report in full?

The FBI has it at approximately 58%. Do you think they made it up?

First, serious underreporting is widely believed to afflict data on sexual assault. FBI survey data find that 58% of self-reported rapes are unreported to police.2 If these rapes were a random selection of all rapes, there would be little cause for concern in interpreting the results below. However, much evidence suggests that unreported rapes differ in important characteristics: they are more likely to be “acquaintance” or “date” rapes (Koss, 1985), as opposed to “stranger” rapes,3 and they are less likely to involve physical force and injury than reported rapes (DuMont, et al, 2003, Bownes, et al, 1991).4 To the extent that the effect of pornography on rape might differ across these categories of rape, one should be extremely careful in extrapolating the results reported here to understanding rape generally.
http://www.law.stanford.edu/display/images/dynamic/events_media/Kendall%20cover%20+%20paper.pdf

THANK YOU!
No, thank you. People seem unwilling to accept data they don't like. So they throw out arguments about unreported rapes without offering any reason whatsoever for the ratio of unreported rapes to be different. Fraggle's criticism was valid, but nevertheless, the result of this study is clearly controversial and thought provoking.

Also..


Another thing about this study is that it belies the old myth about rape not being about sex. If rape isn't about sex, why should giving someone another outlet for their sexual urges decrease rape?

The report is inconclusive on that point:

The findings of this paper are consistent with the possibility that at least some part of the cause for rape is sexual in nature, though the results could also be consistent with the “power” theory if viewing pornography on the internet satisfies cravings for power that otherwise would be acted out as rape. Therefore, these results cannot be fully conclusive on the question.
Link (http://www.law.stanford.edu/display/images/dynamic/events_media/Kendall%20cover%20+%20paper.pdf)

Not at all. I think they are weighing up the evidence correctly...

No, thank you. People seem unwilling to accept data they don't like. So they throw out arguments about unreported rapes without offering any reason whatsoever for the ratio of unreported rapes to be different. Fraggle's criticism was valid, but nevertheless, the result of this study is clearly controversial and thought provoking.

I agree, it is controversial. Although after having read through his report, there seems to be a lot of "but's" throughout it. This is something that will have to be researched further.

FBI survey data find that 58% of self-reported rapes are unreported to police.2 If these rapes were a random selection of all rapes, there would be little cause for concern in interpreting the results below. However, much evidence suggests that unreported rapes differ in important characteristics: they are more likely to be “acquaintance” or “date” rapes (Koss, 1985), as opposed to “stranger” rapes,3 and they are less likely to involve physical force and injury than reported rapes (DuMont, et al, 2003, Bownes, et al, 1991).4 To the extent that the effect of pornography on rape might differ across these categories of rape, one should be extremely careful in extrapolating the results reported here to understanding rape generally.
http://www.law.stanford.edu/display/...0+%20paper.pdf

That's interesting. I had not read that part. If I had to guess, I'd bet that porno would reduce unreported rapes even more than reported rapes if they do indeed tend to be "date rapes". I remember reading that date rapes tend to be much more motivated by sexual desire and much less motivated by "power".

That's just a guess, of course. Because, as I said, it's hard to study what's not reported.

The findings of this paper are consistent with the possibility that at least some part of the cause for rape is sexual in nature, though the results could also be consistent with the “power” theory if viewing pornography on the internet satisfies cravings for power that otherwise would be acted out as rape. Therefore, these results cannot be fully conclusive on the question.
Watching porno satisfying a craving for power? Doesn't seem likely. You're an observer with no power to affect the outcome of what you're watching.

True.

But there are of course ''secret'' investigation made into such claims. In other words, independant sources that do ask woman across the globe in confidence.

Watching porno satisfying a craving for power? Doesn't seem likely. You're an observer with no power to affect the outcome of what you're watching.

It's from the report madant. Or are you now going to say the report you posted is somehow wrong?

You forget that a lot of people who watch porn imagine they are the ones on the screen. As an observer they begin to imagine what it would feel like to be like that. Do you think they find it arousing because they have "no power"? Imagination plays a huge role madant.

Rapists sometimes think their victim 'enjoyed' the experience, even though she was beating at his head, screaming "no".. "stop" and "help".

That's not what I meant.

I was saying the large numbers of unreported rapes would skew the results of more porn = less rape.. something he states in his report. After all, we do not know what kind of factor porn has on rapes that do go unreported. But since this is about reported rapes, it is in part irrelavant to this topic. However it should not be entirely discounted.



But if we assume that the ratio of reported to unreported rapes is constant, or at least affected by variables besides men watching porn, then the ratio will stay the same.

You admit that it is "in part" irrelevent. In which part is it relevent?

It's from the report madant. Or are you now going to say the report you posted is somehow wrong?
I have to agree with every statement made in the report? Boy, that's going to limit what I can quote!

But if we assume that the ratio of reported to unreported rapes is constant, or at least affected by variables besides men watching porn, then the ratio will stay the same.

You admit that it is "in part" irrelevent. In which part is it relevent?

As madant stated, we cannot know how porn affects unreported cases of rape, because they are unreported and thus, cannot be verified. The report also states correctly that unreported rapes have a tendency to be because the victim knew the assailant. We simply cannot know whether pornography would reduce rapes across the board. For example, do you think a husband who beats up his wife and then rapes her because she did not have dinner on the table at a specified time would choose to go to his computer and watch some porn instead? How about the guy who is refused on a date? Do you think he would just go home and watch some porn to allay his frustration and anger?

I meant it was "in part" irrelevant to this particular discussion, since the study is only on reported rapes. As the author of the reports states, unreported rapes go unreported for a variety of reasons and thus "more porn = less rape" cannot really be verified in such instances.

I have to agree with every statement made in the report? Boy, that's going to limit what I can quote!
Of course not. But you have made some assumptions based on the report you have posted. The report does not support your assumptions. Rape is not just about sex. It is also about power and the need and desire to control another with fear, violence and terror. Rape is about subjugating the victim to the attacker's whim.

So does more porn mean less rape? In some instances, probably yes. In others no. As I said to Xev, do you think an abusive husband would choose to go to his computer for sexual gratification than to beat and rape his wife? Somehow I doubt it.

Pornography is about imagination. And for some, they wish to carry that imagination out into the real world. For others, they are satisfied by masturbating to porn and imagining themselves in the position of one of the actors on the screen. I am sure that some do stay home and 'wank' instead of going out and foisting themselves upon a victim. In that, it probably has reduced some instances of rape.

As madant stated, we cannot know how porn affects unreported cases of rape, because they are unreported and thus, cannot be verified. The report also states correctly that unreported rapes have a tendency to be because the victim knew the assailant. We simply cannot know whether pornography would reduce rapes across the board. For example, do you think a husband who beats up his wife and then rapes her because she did not have dinner on the table at a specified time would choose to go to his computer and watch some porn instead? How about the guy who is refused on a date? Do you think he would just go home and watch some porn to allay his frustration and anger?

These are all valid points, but the claim that shorty37, her bootlicker and yourself made was that the study results were skewed because many rapes are not reported. If you want to say that the study doesn't have relevence to unreported rapes, that's true. But that's not the issue.

And, yes, I think that most men who were disappointed by a date would "go home and watch some porn" rather than run about willy-nilly raping people.

I meant it was "in part" irrelevant to this particular discussion, since the study is only on reported rapes. As the author of the reports states, unreported rapes go unreported for a variety of reasons and thus "more porn = less rape" cannot really be verified in such instances.

Fine, but that doesn't invalidate the study.

Pornography is about imagination. And for some, they wish to carry that imagination out into the real world. For others, they are satisfied by masturbating to porn and imagining themselves in the position of one of the actors on the screen. I am sure that some do stay home and 'wank' instead of going out and foisting themselves upon a victim. In that, it probably has reduced some instances of rape.

Dear god, what sort of porn do you and shorty37 watch? I can't say I've seen any that resembles a sex crime.

These are all valid points, but the claim that shorty37, her bootlicker and yourself made was that the study results were skewed because many rapes are not reported. If you want to say that the study doesn't have relevence to unreported rapes, that's true. But that's not the issue.


I said could be skewed.

And, yes, I think that most men who were disappointed by a date would "go home and watch some porn" rather than run about willy-nilly raping people.

Not all do. Some get so pissed they just beat the living crap out of her and then violently rape her to show her who's boss. Control and over powering the victim. I'm not saying those who watch porn go out and plunder the womenfolk. Nor am I saying that all men who watch porn beat and rape their wives. Some do. Seeing the majority who watch porn are teenage boys, most of them have probably never had sex before.

The 13 year old son of my husband's friend was caught watching internet porn by his mother. As she said to us afterwards, it is not that she caught him in the act but that he was just too damn stupid to clear the history and cookies after he'd finished. When she and her husband went into some of the sites he had gone into, they noticed just about every single one of them involved a rape type scene. Which then left her husband in the unenviable position of having to explain to said 13 year old what he saw on the net was not what it was like in real life. Does that mean that instead of watching porn he may have been out raping and plundering the womenfolk of his neighbourhood? I doubt it. As I said before, most who watch porn do not rape. Some, however do. This study was based on the figures shown by law enforcement agencies and the correlation was taken to the amount of internet usage around the US. In that, it does raise some questions.

Fine, but that doesn't invalidate the study.
No it does not. But it does beg for further study.

Dear god, what sort of porn do you and shorty37 watch? I can't say I've seen any that resembles a sex crime.
Some are extremely violent. Some are not. Some are just down right cheesy and others are just bleh. Porn is about fantasy and it caters for a variety of tastes.

Porn begins in the mind, not on paper or video. This is the incontrovertible proof we cannot deny. Since we know this to be true, then porn of all types are in fact the creation of those most hidden desires, which from time-to-time are indeed more than some of our most darkest dreams... these dreams lead to our most darkest actions.

Some members of this forum have an extreme aversion to porn. Feminists have suggested that porn causes women to be objectified and therefore increases sex crimes. A recent study shows just the opposite:
That's a pretty powerful effect. Increase internet access 10% for a 7% drop in rape. Almost one to one. But, you might say, increased internet use doesn't necesarily mean increased use of porn! Maybe they're just surfing the web instead of out commiting crimes. Well, what about this:

http://slate.com/id/2152487/
Another thing about this study is that it belies the old myth about rape not being about sex. If rape isn't about sex, why should giving someone another outlet for their sexual urges decrease rape?

YOu have given rapists access to something that can be addictive. Like rape. Like hating women.

Homicide tends to be about close interpersonal relationships or some other real world interaction.

In fact people convicted of homicide have rather low rates of recidivism compared to rapists.

Incorrect. The choice to be what they are, is already within their grasp... what makes a thread the more the willing for such types...? Should it make a difference? Not if they are wired ino that of mode...

What about all the rapists before the day and age of mass produced porn?
I think its just a convenient scapegoat. Like people blaming music or video games.

I think violent men look at porn, not porn makes them violent.

VERY TRUE!!! Well said O!!

See we all can Agree that Porn raises too many questions to all kinds of bad behaviours. So Let us ALL JUST SAY NO TO PORN ........LOL :D

See we all can Agree that Porn raises too many questions to all kinds of bad behaviours. So Let us ALL JUST SAY NO TO PORN ........LOL :D

It may raise questions, but that's all
I mean...it may raise other things, but that's kinda private, don't cha think. :o

What about all the rapists before the day and age of mass produced porn?
I think its just a convenient scapegoat. Like people blaming music or video games.

I think violent men look at porn, not porn makes them violent.

This thread is not about whether internet porn is a factor or cause in rapes. This thread asks whether more porn does equal less rape, as a study has found a correlation in the increased use of internet porn and a decrease in reported rapes.

Of course it doesn't. Are there fewer rapes than there were 100 yrs ago. NO! Now its no longer seen as the woman's shame so it gets reported. Women used to suffer in silence.

Of course it doesn't. Are there fewer rapes than there were 100 yrs ago. NO! Now its no longer seen as the woman's shame so it gets reported. Women used to suffer in silence.

Well the report, on which this thread is based, does state there is a correlation in the increased access of the internet and internet porn and a decrease in the number of reported rapes.

Of course it doesn't. Are there fewer rapes than there were 100 yrs ago. NO! Now its no longer seen as the woman's shame so it gets reported. Women used to suffer in silence.

So if it wasn't reported, how do you know that there were so many rapes 100 years ago? Or are you buying into the old feminist propaganda and sensationalisms? :D

Baron Max

Can we keep it to topic please.

Thanks.:)

Of course it doesn't. Are there fewer rapes than there were 100 yrs ago. NO! Now its no longer seen as the woman's shame so it gets reported. Women used to suffer in silence.

Are you saying Internet access somehow causes more women to "suffer in silence"? Because that's the only possible conclusion, other than Internet access causes fewer rapes.

Porn is a man -made function... to pleasure his own desires when all else fails... not only that, but it is purely imaginal.

But imagination can be, in very extreem cases, very dangerous.

Of course it doesn't. Are there fewer rapes than there were 100 yrs ago. NO! Now its no longer seen as the woman's shame so it gets reported. Women used to suffer in silence.

How do you know how many rapes there were 100 yrs ago compared to today?

So you think that almost all women report being raped today? I don't think that is what the statistics say. You think things have changed that much and now women don't feel shame, so they automatically report it?

I disagree with you.

Yesterday Charlie Rose show was very interesting

Charlie Rose Science Series: Human Sexuality

Paul Nurse
Ridwan Shabsigh
Edward Laumann
Julia Heiman
Anita Clayton

www.charlierose.com

Well I never believed the claims that pornography was associated with rape (based on the specious argument that rapists often claimed they were driven to the act by porn--of course they also often claim that the victim was really consenting). However, when you look at the actual study it notes that

the substitution effect of internet access on rape is statistically significant only for men in the 15-19 age group, and, moreover, that the magnitude of the coefficient is highest for this group as well.

Since the effect is age-specific it may be that there is some other phenomena at work here. I wonder if what this study is actually showing is that rape may mean something different for 15 to 19 year old males--for them it may not be so much about violence towards women and more about ignorance over what it means when a woman says no or what is permissable behavior--so porn & masturbation may be helping them control their hormones. However, porn doesn't have the same effect for older males.

The study may also be picking up on changes in youth behavior that accompany the internet in general--males and females in this age group may be going out less and staying home and using the internet and not necessarily for porn (they could be emailing, playing games, working on their myspace page). They may also be having more consensual sex. For instance, girls in this age group may feel less ashamed about sex because they are learning more about it on the internet and consequently not be claiming they were raped in situations where some ambiguity existed.

Are you saying Internet access somehow causes more women to "suffer in silence"? Because that's the only possible conclusion, other than Internet access causes fewer rapes.

I don't understand :confused:

Maybe there are fewer rapes because women have learned how to protect themselves. Have learned how to avoid bad situations. Are armed.

I do not think there is less rape because there is more porn.

How do you know how many rapes there were 100 yrs ago compared to today?

So you think that almost all women report being raped today? I don't think that is what the statistics say. You think things have changed that much and now women don't feel shame, so they automatically report it?

I disagree with you.

more REPORTED rapes. And yeah, I think more men raped women 100 years ago. They knew they could get away with it. (There were more child prostitues, more underage marriages, etc.)

and I don't care if you disagree with me. :D

and I don't care if you disagree with me. :D

How mature of you :rolleyes:

Oh for god's sake. 'Waaaaah! Porn objectifies women! They should value us for our personalities!' What - so men are only allowed to like women for their personalities, and they're committing a terrible crime if they dare to like women's bodies? Poor devils...

The feminists of the world love projecting the idea that ALL women are asexual, virtuous, and intensely political. Of course what they are really describing is merely themselves.

Not all feminists are like that. I understand your point of view though. Dicks like those fuck it up for all the level-headed feminists and give them a bad name.

I don't agree that porn can cause rape. Most teenage boys like playing computer games that involve killing people. You don't see them actually killing people.

I don't get how more porn could decrease rape though...if someone has those tendencies they're probably going to commit that crime with or without porn.

I don't understand :confused:

Maybe there are fewer rapes because women have learned how to protect themselves. Have learned how to avoid bad situations. Are armed.

I do not think there is less rape because there is more porn.

Actually, the study cited in OP does not claim "there is less rape because there is more porn". It claims there is statistical correlation between amount of Internet access and number of reported rapes, which holds true when adjusted for socioeconomic variables. Correlation does not imply causation. Maybe it really is because more men and more women spend their time in chat rooms instead of getting drunk in bars. Maybe because with Web resources women learn how to protect themselves more successfully. Maybe it is something else.

Maybe its a crappy study
;)

Maybe it really is because more men and more women spend their time in chat rooms instead of getting drunk in bars. They addressed that issue in the article. The fact that rape is the only crime that went down as internet use went up pretty much ruled out it just being a matter of being too busy on the net to commit crime.

Internet use went up, I can see that. With all the forums ,blogs, myspace, chatrooms,
and of course online gaming which takes a good chunk of a lot of ppls time. There are probably more gaming addicts then porn addicts out there.

Internet use went up, I can see that. With all the forums ,blogs, myspace, chatrooms,
and of course online gaming which takes a good chunk of a lot of ppls time.
Yes, but again, there was no drop in any crime except rape. So it wasn't just a matter of using up all your free time.

Maybe it really is because more men and more women spend their time in chat rooms instead of getting drunk in bars.

Bingo!!You hit the nail on the head....:D

Maybe more women are learning the difference between true and false accusations of rape.

Maybe it really is because more men and more women spend their time in chat rooms instead of getting drunk in bars.

However, in the study the only effect was seen for 15 to 19 year olds. While I'm not so naive to believe that underage teens can't get into bars I don't believe it's a major social outlet. Whatever explanation you want to propose it needs to take into account that the effect is seen in this age group and not anyone older, which also shows that the effect is quite strong.