Romney won MI yesterday. FOX called the election with 12% of the votes. So what are today's headlines all over the place? How HILLARY won MI. She wasn't even contested. What a crock. Thank God for talk radio or conservatives would have little/no voice. :(

There is very little mention of Romney (quite possibly our next POTUS) winning MI by 10% of the vote. When Obama won, the media was drooling all over itself. Same for Hillary. The media should be ashamed of itself for its BLATANTLY OBVIOUS love of everything liberal.:(

Yeah, it's all about Hillary and the democrats. Romney's winning was buried in the 7th paragraph. :rolleyes:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/cq/20080116/pl_cq_politics/politics2655674

Hillary won? omg omg omg

:D Yeah, not too hard when there's no competition....:rolleyes:

There is some oddities about the Democratic convention in Michigan. I don't think it counts, which is why the Hillary thing seems odd.

I'll have to look into it more.

Anybody with more information on this?

~String

Even the MI GOP didn't want to acknowledge Romney's win. They gave it to McCain. :eek:

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8U6N9VG0&show_article=1

:(

Cant they just pass a law giving owenership of all media to Rupert Murdoch?

Then we would see fairness.

Cant they just pass a law giving owenership of all media to Rupert Murdoch?

Then we would see fairness.

What happens when he dies ?

There is some oddities about the Democratic convention in Michigan. I don't think it counts, which is why the Hillary thing seems odd.

I'll have to look into it more.

Anybody with more information on this?

~String

The DNC forbids any state other than Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada, and South Carolina from holding their Democrat primary before February 5th. Since Michigan decided to have their primary early anyway, they were stripped of their delegates. So a victory there for a Democrat is pretty meaningless, aside from free (and spun) press. I think Obama didn't even bother to get on the ballot because of this.

Even the MI GOP didn't want to acknowledge Romney's win. They gave it to McCain. :eek:

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8U6N9VG0&show_article=1

:(

What a blatant lie. Your link only says that they mistakenly gave the victory to McCain in a press release by accident, not that they didn't want to acknowledge Romney's win.

"Heading into tonight, this race was too close to call, so we prepared a release for either scenario," state GOP spokesman Bill Nowling said. "We simply pushed the wrong button."

The Associated Press named Romney the GOP winner when polls closed in Michigan's western Upper Peninsula at 9 p.m. EST.

The first GOP release went out just minutes later and stated, "In a close-fought victory, Senator John McCain succeeded again (in) the Michigan Republican primary, winning over a traditionally unpredictable voter base in Michigan."

Five minutes after that, the party sent a release that said, "In a close-fought victory, native son Governor Mitt Romney won an important contest here tonight."

The lede of the story you linked to Sandy qualifies the win, so I'm not sure what you're complaining about.

What happens when he dies ?
James Murdoch can take over.

If the media is so liberal, why wasn't Kucinich on the Democratic debate last night?

If the media is so liberal, why wasn't Kucinich on the Democratic debate last night?

Heh, poor guy can't catch a break.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/15/nbc-wins-battle-over-debate/

The Nevada Supreme Court ruled Tuesday that MSNBC is not required to include candidate Dennis Kucinich in its scheduled Democratic presidential debate.

The seven-member court overturned Monday’s ruling by a Nevada district court judge.

The decision, which came one hour before the debate was scheduled to begin in Las Vegas, meant that Mr. Kucinich would not share the stage with the party’s three leading contenders, Hillary Rodham Clinton, Barack Obama and John Edwards. The debate is expected to begin at 9 p.m. Eastern on MSNBC.

Cant they just pass a law giving owenership of all media to Rupert Murdoch?

Then we would see fairness.

Patience, we are nearly there

The lede of the story you linked to Sandy qualifies the win, so I'm not sure what you're complaining about.

The story doesn't mention the primary winner Mitt Romney until paragraph seven. That says it all. :(

Romney won MI yesterday. FOX called the election with 12% of the votes. So what are today's headlines all over the place? How HILLARY won MI. She wasn't even contested. What a crock. Thank God for talk radio or conservatives would have little/no voice. :(

There is very little mention of Romney (quite possibly our next POTUS) winning MI by 10% of the vote. When Obama won, the media was drooling all over itself. Same for Hillary. The media should be ashamed of itself for its BLATANTLY OBVIOUS love of everything liberal.:(

Yeah, it's all about Hillary and the democrats. Romney's winning was buried in the 7th paragraph. :rolleyes:

I agree. MI didn’t even count for the Democrats, there for; it should have been on page five.

But the obvious liberal-biased media LOVES liberal news and hates conservative news unless it's bad. They bash W. They ignored Romney. Ugh...

The story doesn't mention the primary winner Mitt Romney until paragraph seven. That says it all. :(

That's because the article is about the strange nature of the Dem primary there. If you look on Yahoo's front page, the lead story is about the GOP. Also, Romney's win doesn't give him the lead overall. Now the top 3 GOP candidates have at least one win.

That's because the article is about the strange nature of the Dem primary there. If you look on Yahoo's front page, the lead story is about the GOP.

This was the lead when I first posted it this morning.

The DNC forbids any state other than Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada, and South Carolina from holding their Democrat primary before February 5th. Since Michigan decided to have their primary early anyway, they were stripped of their delegates. So a victory there for a Democrat is pretty meaningless, aside from free (and spun) press. I think Obama didn't even bother to get on the ballot because of this.

So, does that mean that Michigan loses its vote in the Democratic nomination? I don't get how this works.

For all my understanding of current events, the whole Caucus vs. Primary and selecting delegates business totally (a) bores me and (b) eludes me.

If the media is so liberal, why wasn't Kucinich on the Democratic debate last night?

Because he's a kook, he stands no chance to win and because the "liberal media" has already crowned their prince: Obama.

~String

The media coronated Gore and Kerry. Look what happened to them. :D

:roflmao:


:D

So, does that mean that Michigan loses its vote in the Democratic nomination? I don't get how this works.

For all my understanding of current events, the whole Caucus vs. Primary and selecting delegates business totally (a) bores me and (b) eludes me.

Yes, a Dem vote in the Michigan primary is a worthless vote. That's why the kids over at the DailyKos were telling Dems to vote Romney.

But the obvious liberal-biased media LOVES liberal news and hates conservative news unless it's bad. They bash W. They ignored Romney. Ugh...Do not worry; Romney has the money to buy out the news media if he decides he needs more publicity.:p kidding

Do not worry; Romney has the money to buy out the news media if he decides he needs more publicity.:p kidding

That's all the more funny considering Romney's company did buy Clear Channel. :D

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/12/14/romneys-bain-capital-buy_n_76801.html

Not to say that this'll affect the election, the purchase happened back in 2006.

Because he's a kook, he stands no chance to win and because the "liberal media" has already crowned their prince: Obama.

~String

Well no, he's not a "kook". If the media let him take part in the Democratic process, perhaps more people would vote for him. The mythical liberal media has NOT crowned Obama, I'm not sure why you would say that.

there is no liberal media or should i say the media as a whole is not biased in favor of liberals

there is no liberal media or should i say the media as a whole is not biased in favor of liberals

Could that be an opinion of yours? Or are you suggesting that is an absolute?

Could that be an opinion of yours? Or are you suggesting that is an absolute?

it is the truth believe it or not it will still be what it is

Because he's a kook, he stands no chance to win and because the "liberal media" has already crowned their prince: Obama On issues, the "kook" is usually more in agreement with the majority of Americans than any other Dem - or Rep, except for Paul.

Most Americans are more - significantly more - left libertarian than their elected representatives (see stats from Political Compass and other surveys). Kucinich is more left (and a little libertarian), Paul more libertarian (and a little left), than the other candidates, which puts them both closer to the US middle ground on most issues.

That's neither of their images. But we all know where image comes from, these days, and how much reality is involved in it.

If media bias is on the table, the following interesting poll results are making surprisingly little noise in the media:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/favorables/election_2008_republican_candidates_running_in_200 8_presidential_election

I think there's ammo in there, especially in a media that emphasizes the horse race and skims the issue conflicts as a matter of course.

On issues, the "kook" is usually more in agreement with the majority of Americans than any other Dem - or Rep, except for Paul.

Sometimes, I'm glad we have you here to amuse us. You really do make me smile.

Even the MI GOP didn't want to acknowledge Romney's win. They gave it to McCain. :eek:

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8U6N9VG0&show_article=1

:(

Damn liberals!

Lessee: if we rank the Dems Left/Right, we get

Kucinich, Richardson, Edwards, Clinton, Obama.

Ranking Libertarian/Authoritarian, Kucinich might move up a notch, and Clinton trad places with Obama, but otherwise little change.

The exact reverse of their media favoritism, with Clinton and Obama essentially tied.

The Reps are jammed Right, it's Paul and everyone else (Huckabee might join Thompson in a category) but we can begin to separate them on a Libertarian/Authoritarian scale somewhat, getting

Paul, Giuliani, Thompson?, threeway tie so far, unless Romney gets stuck with his record as Governor.

Again, the reverse of the media favors as far as can be made out.

The media solidly favors the Right, and tends to favor the Authoritarian.

Yawn. Are people so dependant on the media to tell them how to think?

Yawn. Are people so dependant on the media to tell them how to think?

Cnn told me they arent

Yawn. Are people so dependant on the media to tell them how to think?
Until the candidates come to my town to talk to me, yes.

Until the candidates come to my town to talk to me, yes.
So if it tells you not to trust a certain politician, you go with it? Hmmmm.

Whoops, I meant we aren't dependent on the media to tell us how to think, but if there is no media, how do we formulate an opinion on a candidate?

Kind of funny, that Sandy is bitching about Foxnews as being liberal. But he does have a point:

If you compare CNN and Foxnews websites about the Rep candidates, on CNN Romney is a clear leader having more delegates than the rest of the cream. On Fow he is only second to McCain expressed by some kind of strange poll.

Looks like Fox doesn't like the idea of Romney winning the nomination. Of course there is nothing liberal about it, and there is no such a thing as liberal media. The reason why Fox is pushing the news about Hillary because they are scared shitless that she would win the nomination and thus the election...

For String:

On the Rep's side the 5 states that brought their primaries forward, as a punishment they got their delegation numbers cut in half. On the Dem side they got completely cancelled, so they don't count at all.

Yes, a Dem vote in the Michigan primary is a worthless vote. That's why the kids over at the DailyKos were telling Dems to vote Romney.

How the hell is that legal?

~String

It's OK to have a strategy for your vote. I voted in a Republican primary once, just to help screw up their race.

Yawn. Are people so dependant on the media to tell them how to think?

I don't know... lemme, see if MSNBC or FOXNews has a poll on this before I answer that question.

~String

According to CNN, so far the race including pledged delegates:

http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/1077/electionsofarye7.th.png (http://img246.imageshack.us/my.php?image=electionsofarye7.png)

Kind of funny, that Sandy is bitching about Foxnews as being liberal. But he does have a point:

If you compare CNN and Foxnews websites about the Rep candidates, on CNN Romney is a clear leader having more delegates than the rest of the cream. On Fow he is only second to McCain expressed by some kind of strange poll.

Looks like Fox doesn't like the idea of Romney winning the nomination. Of course there is nothing liberal about it, and there is no such a thing as liberal media. The reason why Fox is pushing the news about Hillary because they are scared shitless that she would win the nomination and thus the election...

For String:

On the Rep's side the 5 states that brought their primaries forward, as a punishment they got their delegation numbers cut in half. On the Dem side they got completely cancelled, so they don't count at all.

Is Sandy a "he"? Just wondering.

How the hell is that legal?

~String

Which, the stripping of delegates or the Dems voting Republican in Michigan?

Is Sandy a "he"? Just wondering.

I thought that was obvious. NO woman is that stupid, with the possible exception of Ann Coulter...

Which, the stripping of delegates or the Dems voting Republican in Michigan?

The stripping of their votes in the primary (how a person throws their vote away in order to "gum up the works" for the other party is their business).

~String

The stripping of their votes in the primary (how a person throws their vote away in order to "gum up the works" for the other party is their business).

~String

Well political parties are in a sense private organizations, and organizations have rules. As a member of the Democratic party, you have to work within the rules set by the Democratic National Committee. The Michigan Democratic Party didn't, so they were punished. There's no law being broken.

Well political parties are in a sense private organizations, and organizations have rules. As a member of the Democratic party, you have to work within the rules set by the Democratic National Committee. The Michigan Democratic Party didn't, so they were punished. There's no law being broken.

Ahhh. Yer right... they are private parties.

Interesting.

~String

they are private parties with enough power to get the government to pay and conduct elections for them.

Is Sandy a "he"? Just wondering.

No. I am a chick. I have been a chick my whole life. I look like my avatar.

I thought that was obvious. NO woman is that stupid, with the possible exception of Ann Coulter...

Stupid? WTF? You guys can't handle a smart, hot chick. You've already proven that. :rolleyes::D

All tv media is liberal. FOX is the only one even trying to be fair and balanced. The media ignores Romney because they know he can win. They endorse all the other GOP candidates because they know those others have no chance to win. (McCain and Huck.)
Talk radio is mostly conservative.

Ann Coulter and Rush are for Romney. We smart people stick together...:D

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59734

I wasn’t the one that called you a “he”, I was just inquiring.

I must admit, I am slightly rooting for Romney, mostly because of his pro-small business, and pro-manufactory business issues. His concept of bringing auto manufactory jobs back to MI is a bunch of baloney, but I still like his business way of thinking. Considering that many small businesses in America will not make it through the first quarter (2008) recession, one can see why small-business owners would root for him. “It’s the economy, stupid” as one poll suggest what’s really on American minds.

“It’s the economy, stupid” as one poll suggest what’s really on American minds.

I'm surprised this hasn't been capitalized more by the nominees.

... I am slightly rooting for Romney, mostly because of his pro-small business, and pro-manufactory business issues. His concept of bringing auto manufactory jobs back to MI is a bunch of baloney, but I still like his business way of thinking...

I studied all of them before I made my decision. Romney is the ONLY one I can see as POTUS. I will support whoever the nom is but I like Romney best. He's just the most presidential and the only one I would trust with the big three: terror, criminal aliens, and the economy.

No. I am a chick. I have been a chick my whole life. I look like my avatar.



Stupid? WTF? You guys can't handle a smart, hot chick. You've already proven that. :rolleyes::D

All tv media is liberal. FOX is the only one even trying to be fair and balanced. The media ignores Romney because they know he can win. They endorse all the other GOP candidates because they know those others have no chance to win. (McCain and Huck.)
Talk radio is mostly conservative.

Ann Coulter and Rush are for Romney. We smart people stick together...:D

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59734

calling fox news fair and balanced is like calling hitler a nice guy; you can say it you would just be dead wrong. most media has a slight to moderate CONSERVATIVE bias. and niether rush nor coulter are known for being smart

The media has a corporational bias. That's all that matters. Left, right, liberal, conservative, it's all bullshit to make it look like we have a different system that matters, two parties to make it look like we have a voice and control over our government when we don't.

BTW, Hillary is gonna be Prez, not that I want her to be and I sure as hell ain't voting for her like it matters, but that's the way it's gonna be. The Bush/Clinton drug families are gonna remain in control.

- N

calling fox news fair and balanced is like calling hitler a nice guy
He was nice to his dog.

calling fox news fair and balanced is like calling hitler a nice guy; you can say it you would just be dead wrong. most media has a slight to moderate CONSERVATIVE bias. and niether rush nor coulter are known for being smart

That's delusional. ANY media expert knows FOX is the only fair and balanced. They have liberals Greta and Holmes in prime time.
They have independent O'Reilly heading their biggest news show.
Hannity is the only REAL conservative. The others are pretty neutral.

Almost all tv news is liberal. Talk radio is mostly conservative. The libs tried but failed miserably (Air America).

Coulter and Limbaugh are brilliant. I would vote for them for POTUS.

http://www.anncoulter.com/

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/today.guest.html

BTW, Hillary is gonna be Prez, not that I want her to be and I sure as hell ain't voting for her like it matters, but that's the way it's gonna be. The Bush/Clinton drug families are gonna remain in control.

- N

I don't think so. We will see though.

I don't think so either. The next POTUS will be a white male. Romney, I hope.

Air America is still going strong. Any media expert will tell you FOX is hopelessly biased. We have the memos to prove it.

That's delusional. ANY media expert knows FOX is the only fair and balanced. They have liberals Greta and Holmes in prime time.
They have independent O'Reilly heading their biggest news show.
Hannity is the only REAL conservative. The others are pretty neutral.

Almost all tv news is liberal. Talk radio is mostly conservative. The libs tried but failed miserably (Air America).

Coulter and Limbaugh are brilliant. I would vote for them for POTUS.

http://www.anncoulter.com/

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/today.guest.html

Well, it is true the FOX news isn’t fair and balanced to a Liberal. Nothing is fair to a liberal if the media is not aligned with there views.

Nonsense, they aren't fair and balanced to anyone that's objective about it.

Most Conservatives complain that CNN is way to left
Most Liberals complain that FOX is way to right

The way to get “fair and balance” is to watch five minutes of CNN, switch over to Fox, watch another five minute there, then switch back to CNN and continue to repeat the process. Walla! You have “fair and balanced”.

But conservatives are batshit crazy, for the most part.

Air America is still going strong. Any media expert will tell you FOX is hopelessly biased. We have the memos to prove it.

Most of the FOX employees donate to liberal political candidates. So do most of the rest of the liberal media. I've seen Greta and O'Reilly blast Republicans. O'Reilly was especially hard on W for the border. (Well-deserved). :(

Air America is a pathetic failure.:rolleyes:

But conservatives are batshit crazy, for the most part.

I could say the same about liberals.

But conservatives are batshit crazy, for the most part.

Conservatives think the same thing about Liberals, just listen to Michael Salvage.

Try my news watching technique, you will be the most “fair and balanced” person here, if you do.:p:D

I could say the same about liberals.

Exactly.

Nonsense, they aren't fair and balanced to anyone that's objective about it.

How can you say that? Let's take prime time:

O'Reilly is an independent. A registered (I) voter. He slams Repubs as often as he does libs.
Hannity and Colmes: one conservative and one liberal.
Greta: totally liberal.

That's 7pm-10pm central time.

That's about as fair and balanced as you can get.

Conservatives think the same thing about Liberals, just listen to Michael Salvage.

Try my news watching technique, you will be the most “fair and balanced” person here, if you do.:p:D

I can watch Greta and Colmes on FOX and get as much liberalism as I can stomach. :eek:

I could say the same about liberals.

You could say it, but you would be wrong.

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1067
http://www.outfoxed.org/

You could say it, but you would be wrong.

Where's the part about "batsh!t crazy"? :confused:

Why do you censor yourself?

It’s her choice. Is there anything wrong with that?

Did I say there was anything wrong with it? I'm just curious as to what her reasons are.

Where's the part about "batsh!t crazy"? :confused:

OK that part isn't objective, it's just my opinion...

Most Conservatives complain that CNN is way to left
.

except there is absolutely no liberal representation in MSM...

except there is absolutely no liberal representation in MSM...

Does anybody even watch MSM?

That's delusional. ANY media expert knows FOX is the only fair and balanced. They have liberals Greta and Holmes in prime time.
They have independent O'Reilly heading their biggest news show.
Hannity is the only REAL conservative. The others are pretty neutral.

Almost all tv news is liberal. Talk radio is mostly conservative. The libs tried but failed miserably (Air America).

Coulter and Limbaugh are brilliant. I would vote for them for POTUS.

http://www.anncoulter.com/

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/today.guest.html

you have know idea what the fuck you are talking about. It would be amusing but that kind of ignorance is dangerous. TV news has a bias toward their coporate owners which gives them a slight to moderate CONSERVATIVE BIAS. Billo is a registered republican. The others neutral have you ever gotten your head out of the clouds and watched it. i have a pile of bricks by my tv so when i watch fox news it roll over to the right. The only thing delusional here is you and world view.

It would be amusing but that kind of ignorance is dangerous.
Please explain and expand, more notably on the word "dangerous".

Please explain and expand, more notably on the word "dangerous".

people with that kind of ignorance tend to view things black and white which can lead to bad things being done. like the crusades

Mixed views create a more balanced thinking in the nation as a whole. One view that was dominating (religious dogma) is what led to the crusade. Weather you be left or right, be thankful we are so diverse and have the right to express are selves. Sandy’s view is just one of many, just like your view is one of many. It would wise to not think of are selves as “God” in this political scheme of things.

Most Conservatives complain that CNN is way to left
Most Liberals complain that FOX is way to right The "conservatives" are wrong.

It is possible to be wrong, in these matters. There are definite characteristics of political approach that are meant by "Left", such as a focus on organized labor and lower income economic issues generally, and a sceptical or negative approach to official PR from corporate or capitalist sources, that CNN does not have. Take illegal immigration: CNN does not spend most of its time and footage on covering the MAI or NAFTA effects, hours of prime time interviewing and dramatically covering law officers about their policies and tactics for apprehending and prosecuting large American business owners who encourage and prey on illegals, fancy visual techniques exaggerating the wealth and shady doings of large corporate entities who set up and benefit by illegal immigration, etc.

At the recent Republican debate, moderated by CNN, the only candidate I recall even mentioning large business interests with reference to illegal immigration was Fred, and that was both voluntary and in passing. Not one of those candidates had to answer any tough questions about the role of corporate power in their approach to illegal immigration, the influence of their major corporate backers on any of their proposed policies, etc.

CNN itself, the moderators or questions, did not even bring up Left issues or viewpoints, at all, at any time in the whole debate.

It's not that there is more truth or insight in a Left approach, necessarily - it's just that delusions about the biases of the major corporate media are dangerous in a democracy. They are Right Authoritarian biased. If you don't allow for that, you will sucker for lies and propaganda.

MSM stands for MainStream Media, thus most everybody is watching it...

Please explain and expand, more notably on the word "dangerous".

Although you didn't ask me, it is obvious:

If you are ignorant and don't know how let's say AIDS spreads, you can endanger yourself if sexually promiscuous. etc,etc.

In politics, if you are ignorant and vote for idiots, you get wars that you don't want. etc.etc.etc.

Mixed views create a more balanced thinking in the nation as a whole.

They also create civil wars... :)

MSM stands for MainStream Media, thus most everybody is watching it...



Although you didn't ask me, it is obvious:

If you are ignorant and don't know how let's say AIDS spreads, you can endanger yourself if sexually promiscuous. etc,etc.

In politics, if you are ignorant and vote for idiots, you get wars that you don't want. etc.etc.etc.



They also create civil wars... :)

My bad, for some reason I had MSNBC stuck in my head.



1. Wrong. The war in Iraq we get has little to do Conservatism vs. Liberalism view points. Yes, even Hillary voted for the war(she must have been watching Fox News :p), now everybody wants out one way or another. It has to do with the MORALS of the president we elect.

They also create civil wars... :)
That is true.... But would you prefer to have the pope breathing down your neck, telling you how to breath?

Why do you censor yourself?

Because it's arrogant, rude, and impolite to use foul language on someone's board. Plus I like/respect Plazma, so I try to behave. :)

except there is absolutely no liberal representation in MSM...

:confused: More kool-aid to go with the way-too-tight tin-foil hat? :confused:

If the media is so liberal, why wasn't Kucinich on the Democratic debate last night?

If the media wasn't heavily slanted toward liberals, then Dr. Paul wouldn't be constantly shut out by the media.

Instead the media just feeds those with the most liberal forgien policy, and the most liberal spending plans for the government.

there is no huge liberal control of the media it is a myth and has been debunked more than once. if people keep spouting this bs i am going to ask for some real proof ( which does not exisit)

there is no huge liberal control of the media it is a myth and has been debunked more than once. if people keep spouting this bs i am going to ask for some real proof ( which does not exisit)

Oh for God's sake, watch/monitor the channels. Most of them don't even try to hide it. They are blatantly liberal. Most of them donate to liberal causes/politicians. They have anointed Obama the new POTUS and the election is 10 months away. Get a clue. :rolleyes:

Yawn. Are people so dependant on the media to tell them how to think?

I'd rather trust reading Dr. Paul's own speeches/essays over the past 7-8 years+ along with the fact that Pat Buchanan does a lot to help support Paul as well.

I'm surprised this hasn't been capitalized more by the nominees.

You mean like how the bulk of Dr. Paul's message in the past few months has been focused on the destruction of the currency and how to reestablish our economy?

I'm surprised this hasn't been capitalized more by the nominees.You mean like how the bulk of Dr. Paul's message in the past few months has been focused on the destruction of the currency and how to reestablish our economy?

Nominees, plural.

Oh for God's sake, watch/monitor the channels. Most of them don't even try to hide it. They are blatantly liberal. Most of them donate to liberal causes/politicians. They have anointed Obama the new POTUS and the election is 10 months away. Get a clue. :rolleyes:

i have a clue you don't first the media seems to be in favor of hillary the least liberal dem. i watch the news most channels don't even have one show devoted to a liberal view point all have ones for the conservatives. they show blatant bias toward the conservative view point mainly most of them are owned by conservatives.

Are you suggesting that Hitlery isn't a liberal?

Since when does Hitlery not want to expand federal authority, be it stripping local agencies of their power over education or stripping everyone of the power over their own healthcare?

Since when did Hitlery speak out against the liberal concepts of forgien policy, I didn't see her say anything in 1998 about Iraq Liberation Act or the stationing of troops in Yugoslavia or in 2003 about Operation Iraqi Freedom?

The liberal media crowned Hillary the new POTUS as soon as she declared her candidacy. They didn't expect Obama to do as well as he has. Once they realized they had another option they jumped on the Obama bandwagon. NBC said it was hard not to fall in love with him.:eek: The drive-by media LOVES the liberals/liberal candidates. They DESPISE the Republicans. They gave Romney about 2 seconds of coverage on his HUGE win in Michigan. They were choking as they did. :(

I know what you mean. Fox is so liberal its ridiculous.

Are you suggesting that Hitlery isn't a liberal?Since when does Hitlery not want to expand federal authority, be it stripping local agencies of their power over education or stripping everyone of the power over their own healthcare?Since when did Hitlery speak out against the liberal concepts of forgien policy, I didn't see her say anything in 1998 about Iraq Liberation Act or the stationing of troops in Yugoslavia or in 2003 about Operation Iraqi Freedom?

Hillary is a TOTAL liberal. She also saw the same evidence EVERYONE ELSE DID about the musims before we went to war.

The liberal media crowned Hillary the new POTUS as soon as she declared her candidacy.

Where were you in 2004 when they tried to get Hitlery to run?

Where were you in 2004 when they tried to get Hitlery to run?

Helping run W's campaign. :D

1. Wrong. The war in Iraq we get has little to do Conservatism vs. Liberalism view points.

Are you arguing that Kerry would have attacked Saddam too?

But here, I will give you another example, if you still don't get the ignorance is dangerous part:

The US government was ignorant on history, that most occupying powers are not greated with roses and sooner or later got kicked out/fight against. That ignorance caused dangerous political missteps...

Why do dimocrats like to pretend the Iraq Liberation Act was never signed?

The dimocrats love the concepts of nation building and spreading democracy to the heathen nations as their idols Wilson and Roosevelt did.

The dimocrats love the concepts of nation building and spreading democracy to the heathen nations as their idols Wilson and Roosevelt did.

So do the majority of today's Republicans.

Are you suggesting that Hitlery isn't a liberal? Hillary is a Right, Authoritarian, corporate and business oriented politician. She always has been. Her health care plan (for example) carefully tended to insurance company profits and powers, and drug company needs for market protection and guaranteed profits - it set up privatized, not socialized, government-paid health care.

The fact that Barack is a bit further economically Right than Hillary, even, may partly explain his surprisingly solid support in the business and media corporate world.

I just saw this story about an NBC reporter with his @ss so far up Obama's @ss that it's amazing he can breathe:

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/01/17/video-chris-matthews-emotes-over-obama/

No liberal bias my @ss. :mad:

I just saw this story about an NBC reporter with his @ss so far up Obama's @ss that it's amazing he can breathe:

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/01/17/video-chris-matthews-emotes-over-obama/

No liberal bias my @ss. :mad:

as i said one more person says that bs i will ask for proof and i want it to be verifiable and unbiased.

as i said one more person says that bs i will ask for proof and i want it to be verifiable and unbiased.

Oh for God's sake, watch the video. :rolleyes:

Video: NBC reporter admits it’s “hard to stay objective” when covering Obama:

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/01/08/video-nbc-reporter-admits-its-hard-to-stay-objective-when-covering-obama/

Obama is the liberal media's messiah, rock star, knight in shining armor.... They couldn't be anymore obvious if they tried. :rolleyes:

Olberman defiles the GOP candidates and soils himself over the liberals. :(

http://hotair.com/archives/2007/11/02/video-olbermann-apologizes-for-smearing-giuliani-sort-of/

You want more? I got plenty....

Video: NBC reporter admits it’s “hard to stay objective” when covering Obama:

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/01/08/video-nbc-reporter-admits-its-hard-to-stay-objective-when-covering-obama/

Obama is the liberal media's messiah, rock star, knight in shining armor.... They couldn't be anymore obvious if they tried. :rolleyes:

Olberman defiles the GOP candidates and soils himself over the liberals. :(

http://hotair.com/archives/2007/11/02/video-olbermann-apologizes-for-smearing-giuliani-sort-of/

You want more? I got plenty....

so you have one guy who goes after conservatives olberman who i watch and pretty much lets them defile themselves. one person does not make the media liberal

so you have one guy who goes after conservatives olberman who i watch and pretty much lets them defile themselves. one person does not make the media liberal

These were just a few examples. If you don't know that the Americans' drive-by media is liberal, there isn't much I can say or do to convince you. I don't care. I know what I know.

These were just a few examples. If you don't know that the Americans' drive-by media is liberal, there isn't much I can say or do to convince you. I don't care. I know what I know.

and what you know is wrong. what i want is not isolated events but something showing the "supposed" widespread liberal bias. You know something showing like percentage of positive and negative stories devoted to liberals and conservatives

Bull. Go Google it. I don't have time for this....:rolleyes:

MSNBC anchors Chris Matthews & Keith Olberman Continue To Laugh At GOP Speeches :mad:

MSNBC laughed at John McCain's victory speech in New Hampshire.
Matthews and Olbermann (and the MSNBC folks that can be heard in the background) were equally unimpressed with Fred Thompson's speech.

http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowlDC/television/chris_keith_continue_to_laugh_at_gop_speeches_7538 4.asp

No liberal bias my @ss. :mad:

Bull. Go Google it. I don't have time for this....:rolleyes:

don't have time to prove you falsehoods

More NBC blatant laughing AT a Repub POTUS candidate. :( Again it was Olberman and Matthews (two POS losers imo) making snide comments/laughing about Fred Thompson's speech:

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/01/19/video-msnbc-hosts-mock-teh-fred/

PMSNBC should just go bankrupt now. Their ratings are pathetic. So are their reporters/anchormen. :(

More NBC blatant laughing AT a Repub POTUS candidate. :( Again it was Olberman and Matthews (two POS losers imo) making snide comments/laughing about Fred Thompson's speech:

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/01/19/video-msnbc-hosts-mock-teh-fred/

PMSNBC should just go bankrupt now. Their ratings are pathetic. So are their reporters/anchormen. :(

their ratings in the demo are far better than fox news' ratings

If the media is really liberal biased, how did conservatives let this happen? and why haven't they fixed this yet?

Conservatives, especially economic conservatives have an incredible amount of wealth.
They claim to be smarter than liberals.

I mean what is it that puts them in this victim position. "Oh, poor us, it's so unfair, our ideas are not given respect, we are marginalized. Boo hoo."

Conservatives are always pointing out that YOU CAN MAKE IT IN SOCIETY IF YOU TRY. And yet they are always whining about the fact that they are victims of the liberal media. Well, what are you going to do about that? Why are you acting like the whiny special interest groups screaming for special rights that you hate so much?

Couldn't more of you go to college and get journalism degrees? (aren't you smart enough?)
Couldn't more of you buy newpapers or start them? (oops they are already did this)
I mean what is your problem?

If a black man says he's had trouble getting a good job in his field you would tell him, well, affirmative action is bad, he should try harder, stop whining, slavery was a long time ago, and so on.

Well, why aren't you conservatives out there fixing this problem instead of whining like vicitims? Be men and women and pull yourselves up by your bootstraps.

You can show us all how it's done.

If the media is really liberal biased, how did conservatives let this happen? and why haven't they fixed this yet?

Conservatives, especially economic conservatives have an incredible amount of wealth.
They claim to be smarter than liberals.

I mean what is it that puts them in this victim position. "Oh, poor us, it's so unfair, our ideas are not given respect, we are marginalized. Boo hoo."

Conservatives are always pointing out that YOU CAN MAKE IT IN SOCIETY IF YOU TRY. And yet they are always whining about the fact that they are victims of the liberal media. Well, what are you going to do about that? Why are you acting like the whiny special interest groups screaming for special rights that you hate so much?

Couldn't more of you go to college and get journalism degrees? (aren't you smart enough?)
Couldn't more of you buy newpapers or start them? (oops they are already did this)
I mean what is your problem?

If a black man says he's had trouble getting a good job in his field you would tell him, well, affirmative action is bad, he should try harder, stop whining, slavery was a long time ago, and so on.

Well, why aren't you conservatives out there fixing this problem instead of whining like vicitims? Be men and women and pull yourselves up by your bootstraps.

You can show us all how it's done.

see they know the media is conservtive but by whining it is liberal they can make it more conservative

their ratings in the demo are far better than fox news' ratings

FOX news wins every catagory, every time slot. Do you have ANY clue about American politics, the liberal news media, or ANYTHING American? :confused:

see they know the media is conservtive but by whining it is liberal they can make it more conservative

:confused: Huh? :confused:

sciforums = Liberal controlled media.

I would say the liberal atheists have control of this place. That's ok. It's their board. This is not a public news media.

But isn't it futile to bitch about liberal controlled media via a liberal controlled media outlet?

Probably.

Hillary is a Right, Authoritarian, corporate and business oriented politician. She always has been. Her health care plan (for example) carefully tended to insurance company profits and powers, and drug company needs for market protection and guaranteed profits - it set up privatized, not socialized, government-paid health care.

The fact that Barack is a bit further economically Right than Hillary, even, may partly explain his surprisingly solid support in the business and media corporate world.

Oh, she isn't a liberal?

She doesn't believe in the expansion of the federal government?

She doesn't believe in the belief that if you throw enough money at it that you can solve any problem?

She doesn't believe in the liberal forgien policy of spreading democracy, nation building and other aspects of the white man's burden?

Oh, she isn't a liberal? "Liberal" is meaningless, as of about five years ago.

Hillary is politically authoritarian, economically right of center, and corporate oriented. Her stint on the board of Wal Mart was not out of character in the slightest, for a lawyer with good connections in the business world around Arkansas. She fit right in.

In the past it's been said more than once that the first woman (or black) to make a serious Presidential candidate would be Republican. Since that observation, the Republican Party has abandoned its former character, and the Dems have moved into the gap. Bill Clinton has been called the best Republican president since WW1 (and the first black President), with more than a grain of truth (both of those). Hillary would be in that category (not black, though).

sciforums = Liberal controlled media.

Poor you.
How will you pull yourself up from your victim status?

see they know the media is conservtive but by whining it is liberal they can make it more conservative

In the similar way they made liberal have the same emotional charge that communist had 20 years before that.

Probably.

So given the fact that you feel conservatives are in a victim position because of the liberal controlled media
1) how are conservatives going to stop whining about this and become winners?
2) why did you let yourselves get in this victim position?

So given the fact that you feel conservatives are in a victim position because of the liberal controlled media
1) how are conservatives going to stop whining about this and become winners?
2) why did you let yourselves get in this victim position?

I don't feel we are victims. Not of anything. Not ever. We don't know the meaning of the word "victim". We have no victim mentality. That's for liberal losers. :bawl:

We don't whine about the liberal-controlled media. We just think they're pathetic.:bawl:

The liberals just took over. Like they always do. Of so many things. Then they get trashed and we have to fix them. We came up with our own choice of network to view: the fair and balanced FOX news. You can have the rest of the biased liberal drive-by media. They don't even try to hide their pathetic slant anymore. :(

Conservatives do control the radio talk show industry. I think the demy's tried to make their own radio talk shows but no one tuned in so they all failed.

The liberals just took over. Like they always do.
How did they manage that. I mean in America. The land of the free. Was it because the conservatives were not very smart or they were weak. It cannot be because they were naive about liberals since they have been complaining about them for, well, a long time. How did you conservatives get in this underdog condition? How can we trust you to run society if you cannot even find a way to have your views presented in the media. You mention Fox News. But conservatives still complain all the time about the liberal media bias. They do not say, "thank god it is fair now because of Fox News." In fact they go on complaining about the bias.

I can't say I could possibly support conservatives since they seem so weak. They are outmanouvered by liberals.

Perhaps your ideas are good, but you don't have leadership skills, clearly since the liberals manage to gain control of the media.

I don't feel we are victims. Not of anything.

Then go back to your OP and look at the sad little emoticons. I mean really, Sandy. They are :( sad. Look at the little face you put next to your theories about the liberal bias. You look sad.

Poor thing.

How did they manage that...

They breed like rats. They welcome criminal aliens who also breed like rats. They don't obey laws, commit most of the crime, and fill/take over the jails. They infest nice neighborhoods and ruin them. They fill the schools with their vile teachings ruining the children. They pollute college kids' minds. They are lazy and collect/support welfare/foodstamps/entitlements. They band together and "protest" our immigration laws and war on terror. They kill babies--1.5 million/year. They support/makeup loser unions. They slander our government/President. They are vile. I wish they would all move to France. Or Iran.:rolleyes:

That's a very nice racist rant there, sandy. If Republicans didn't make life here so shitty, perhaps people would be less likely to abort. The only ones to blame for a Democratic takeover in government is George W. Bush and his Neo-Con friends. Have you seen their approval ratings? America is not happy with him and the corruption among the Republicans.

That's a very nice racist rant there, sandy. If Republicans didn't make life here so shitty, perhaps people would be less likely to abort. The only ones to blame for a Democratic takeover in government is George W. Bush and his Neo-Con friends. Have you seen their approval ratings? America is not happy with him and the corruption among the Republicans.

I said nothing about race so please don't twist my words/meaning. Liberalism is not a race. I think it's a sickness. Repubs don't make anyone's life "sh!tty". People do that/choose that for themselves by their thoughts/actions/ decisions. How about not have a baby you can't afford? How about taking some personal responsibility? Is that too hard a concept for liberals to swallow? Yeah, I thought so. Let the government run your life, give you healthcare/welfare/foodstamps/social security etc... Entitlement mentality creates losers. Look at New Orleans. :(

The morons who voted for the democratic takeover fell for their empty promises. The lib-controlled CONgress has done NOTHING they promised except give raises to criminal aliens. :(

We don't care about approval ratings. We're not trying to impress the world. We're trying to keep Americans alive and safe from evil muslim terrorists who want us converted/dead. The Republicans' "corruption" pales to the liberals.:rolleyes:

You implied illegal immigrants breed like rats.

I'm sorry, but you are mistaken. We live in a society. Republicans always legislate in favor of corporate interests over the needs of the people. Before Social Security, in 1934, over half of the elderly didn't have enough money to support themselves. Personal responsibility is a fine value, but it doesn't fix the real problems we face as a society. It's just a fantasy that weak-minded people employ to justify policies that are basically fascist.

The Democratic congress has been OBSTRUCTED by the Republicans. Your characterization of the endless and in some cases, treasonous Republican scandals reveals the level of fantasy that you live in. You admitted you live separate from the rest of society, so you have no idea what the real world for most Americans is like.

They breed like rats. They welcome criminal aliens who also breed like rats. They don't obey laws, commit most of the crime, and fill/take over the jails. They infest nice neighborhoods and ruin them. They fill the schools with their vile teachings ruining the children. They pollute college kids' minds. They are lazy and collect/support welfare/foodstamps/entitlements. They band together and "protest" our immigration laws and war on terror. They kill babies--1.5 million/year. They support/makeup loser unions. They slander our government/President. They are vile. I wish they would all move to France. Or Iran.:rolleyes:

You conservatives must be very weak or incompetent to have let this happen.

They breed like rats. They welcome criminal aliens who also breed like rats. They don't obey laws, commit most of the crime, and fill/take over the jails. They infest nice neighborhoods and ruin them. They fill the schools with their vile teachings ruining the children. They pollute college kids' minds. They are lazy and collect/support welfare/foodstamps/entitlements. They band together and "protest" our immigration laws and war on terror. They kill babies--1.5 million/year. They support/makeup loser unions. They slander our government/President. They are vile. I wish they would all move to France. Or Iran.:rolleyes:

A bunch of the whiny liars made a promise in 2004, and they refused to back it up.

http://www.marryanamerican.ca/

You implied illegal immigrants breed like rats.
I'm sorry, but you are mistaken. We live in a society. Republicans always legislate in favor of corporate interests over the needs of the people... Personal responsibility is a fine value, but it doesn't fix the real problems we face as a society. It's just a fantasy that weak-minded people employ to justify policies that are basically fascist.
The Democratic congress has been OBSTRUCTED by the Republicans. Your characterization of the endless and in some cases, treasonous Republican scandals reveals the level of fantasy that you live in. You admitted you live separate from the rest of society, so you have no idea what the real world for most Americans is like.

"Illegal immigrant" is not a race, not a protected class. It is a description of the criminal aliens who break our laws and come here ILLEGALLY.

Personal responsibility is no fantasy. It's the way things ARE for most Republicans. Why are you sticking up for the losers? If everyone took personal responsibility we would have very FEW societal problems.:(

The democrat-controlled CONgress has done nothing it promised. They have NO excuse. They just lied to get in.
I know exactly what the real world is. My job is keeping people alive. Even the liberals.:(

Nope, it's conservative code for Mexicans.

Racist liberals at it again.

How so?

Racist liberals at it again.

Poor you. I hope you find a way to succeed in this country even though it is controlled by liberals and feminists. Some conservative men have succeeded. I am sure you can too if you just have a good work ethic.

Nope, it's conservative code for Mexicans.

Don't be an ass. We have plenty of Asian and European illegals in this country too, and they're just as important as the South American ones to the illegal immigration debate. Mexicans are carrying the brunt of the issue in the public because of people like sandy, but they're certainly not all that illegal immigration refers to.

I have to admit though that I find it hard to take you seriously on this topic considering you once said "no one cares about illegal immigration."

I know the illegal immigration issue involves other nations, but when the Republicans talk about it, they are really only talking about Mexicans. When was the last time you heard them complain about Scandinavians taking our jobs? The Republican party is the party of racists, sexists, and homophobes.

I know the illegal immigration issue involves other nations, but when the Republicans talk about it, they are really only talking about Mexicans. When was the last time you heard them complain about Scandinavians taking our jobs? The Republican party is the party of racists, sexists, and homophobes.

I'm a Republican. :(

Just ignore liberals, they never have a clue as to what they are talking about, and promote laws that are specifically designed to promote inequality.

It is also funny when they try to pretend that the vast majority of the 12+million illegals in the USA aren't invaders from the south, or boat people from Asia. They think that we should crack down on vias violators and never do a thing about the southern border or our ports.

If this country hadn't dumped its private unions, opened its borders to unregulated corporate investment crossing, subsidized its corporate exports (especially agricultural) so heavily, and spent the past fifty years beating up on its civil service, the illegal immigration problem would never have approached its current size, and would be much easier to handle.

But of course since the media is dominated by left-leaning ideology and concern, we are all tired of the many hours spent watching the pundits beat their gums over the various influences of "right to work" movements in the border states, union organizing in the maquiladoras, capital flow in outflung manufacturing investment and subsidized agriculture compared with labor flow, the effects of dropping return to labor on such investment as education and family coherence, etc etc etc - man, they've just beat the lefty viewpoint into the ground.

Don't you think its time somebody paid a little bit of attention to the stock market? It is a factor here, folks.

I'm a Republican. :(

How does it feel to be a member of a party that systematically oppresses minorites?

You mean like VAWA that denied men the right to seek shelter from domestic violence?

VAWA was reauthorized by Congress in 2000, and again in October 2005, when it passed the Senate unanimously. The bill was signed into law by President George W. Bush on January 5, 2006. [1] The latest version for the first time also recognizes male victims of domestic violence and sexual assault.[2] [wikipedia] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_Against_Women_Act)

Funny how it didn't grant men protections from domestic violence and sexual assult until Bush was in office...

What a progressive leader. :rolleyes:

Go cook up another batch of discriminatory legislation like a good liberal.

Go cook up another batch of discriminatory legislation like a good liberal.

Someone didnt take her meds today. :D

How does it feel to be a member of a party that systematically oppresses minorites?

Well considering neither of the two parties are really willing to do anything about the War on Drugs, aside from a few select individuals, I think I feel the same way I would if I were a Democrat.

Holding individuals to the same standards is the liberal defination of 'oppression'...

projection...

Go back to telling men to suck it up when their wives attack them.

They should. What kind of wimpy man lets himself get beat up by a girl?

They should. What kind of wimpy man lets himself get beat up by a girl?

A really wimpy one.