http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=070723145203.gkpojk2l&show_article=1

It's all probably the west's fault, Counte.

The "zionist entity" and the USA are to blame for every ill on Earth, especially what goes on in Iran these days.

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You got it!

It's all probably the west's fault, Counte.

The "zionist entity" and the USA are to blame for every ill on Earth, especially what goes on in Iran these days.

~String

Uh, SAM? Norse? Is that one of you?
LOL :roflmao:

But seriously, it does seem like we're percieved to be at fault for everything that goes wrong on this earth; yet every other country is blame free; with absolutely NO faults of their own. Please.

But seriously, it does seem like we're percieved to be at fault for everything that goes wrong on this earth
Not everything, just a lot of it.

Not everything, just a lot of it.
Yep, we should have just let Hitler take over Europe in the 40s.
We should have let N. Korea take over S. Korea in the 50s.
We should have just let Saddam take over Kuwait in the 90s.

Yep, we should have just let Hitler take over Europe in the 40s.
We should have let N. Korea take over S. Korea in the 50s.
We should have just let Saddam take over Kuwait in the 90s.
That doesn't excuse all the other shit your country has been doing for the past 5 decades. If you just kept to doing good things, there would be no problem. But no, you just HAVE to fuck over Latin America, or the ME for personal gain. Why didn't you include Chile in 1973 your list? Or Vietnam? Or Iraq in 2003? Or Iran in 1950?

Do you understand the kind of shit thats going on in Saudi Arabia? Why isn't that too, on your radars along with Iranian repression? Because they play ball with the US?

That doesn't excuse all the other shit your country has been doing for the past 5 decades. If you just kept to doing good things, there would be no problem. But no, you just HAVE to fuck over Latin America, or the ME for personal gain. Why didn't you include Chile in 1973 your list? Or Vietnam? Or Iraq in 2003? Or Iran in 1950?
All those were political disasters unfortunately. Just because a country has retarded people running their government at a certain time, doesn't mean the country is responsible for all the worlds problems there nick. The U.S. isn't w/o its problems (as is true for every country), but please get off your 'the U.S. is responsible for all the world's problems' podium.
I just read the article above...
Let's get back on topic and take Iran for example. My former landlord is from Iran. He can't stand the government there, but he has told me that the people there are no different than any other free country. Most of them despise the government there too. Wouldn't that be a case of a good country being ran by idiots? Usually not good things happen when a country is ran by retards.

What country are you from btw?

All those were political disasters unfortunately. Just because a country has retarded people running their government at a certain time, doesn't mean the country is responsible for all the worlds problems there nick. The U.S. isn't w/o its problems (as is true for every country), but please get off your 'the U.S. is responsible for all the world's problems' podium.
I just read the article above...
Let's get back on topic and take Iran for example. My former landlord is from Iran. He can't stand the government there, but he has told me that the people there are no different than any other free country. Most of them despise the government there too. Wouldn't that be a case of a good country being ran by idiots? Usually not good things happen when a country is ran by retards.

What country are you from btw?

Quite a century of retards

http://academic.evergreen.edu/g/grossmaz/interventions.html

please get off your 'the U.S. is responsible for all the world's problems' podium.
I didn't say all the worlds problems, just a lot of them. I didnt blame Mugabe on you lol!

As for Iran, yep, they are fucked up, but the US interest in the region has got absolutely fuck all to do with the suffering of Iranians. If Iran co-operated, this repression would simply not matter to the US, in the same way as the repression in Saudi Arabia is 'irrelevant'.

The US are supposed to be the good guys, its a tremendous disappointment.

Quite a century of retards

http://academic.evergreen.edu/g/grossmaz/interventions.html


Wow. It took you a whole 15 minutes to put your two cents worth in. I expected an asinine response from you to this thread to be much quicker. You're slackin.

I didn't say all the worlds problems, just a lot of them. I didnt blame Mugabe on you lol!

As for Iran, yep, they are fucked up, but the current US government interest in the region has got absolutely fuck all to do with the suffering of Iranians. If Iran co-operated, this repression would simply not matter to the US government, in the same way as the repression in Saudi Arabia is irrelevant.
Like I said, when you have incompetent people running your country, look what happens. Let me let you in on a little secret; every country that has ever existed in the history of the world has had its problems. Every country has went through a phase of incompetent leadership.
You still haven't told me what country you are from/live in.

I currently live in the UK. Their biggest problem is they still feel the need to look big on the World stage.


Let me let you in on a little secret; every country that has ever existed in the history of the world has had its problems.
When Sweden has problems, it doesn't start bombing countries in the ME. To the US, its not a problem, its a policy. The current war in Iraq is simply the continuation of that policy. The sabre-rattling with Iran and Syria simply hints at the next possible target, in a long line of military interventions.

I currently live in the UK.



Well the UK is one of the countries I would think of first when I say that every country has its problems. They have had their own share of trying to rule every country on the planet, or have you forgotten about their widespread colonization of Africa? And the funny thing is, Britain is one of the countries that is helping the U.S. with their current foreign policy. What do you have to say about that?

Well the UK is one of the countries I would think of first when I say that every country has its problems. They have had their own share of trying to rule every country on the planet, or have you forgotten about their widespread colonization of Africa?
Are they still doing it? The UK granted independence to those countries following WW2 when it became obvious that fighting for 'freedom' again Nazi Germany was a bit hypocritical when it had control over Africa and the Sub continent. The UK 'grew out' of it, when is the US going to do the same?

And the funny thing is, Britain is one of the countries that is helping the U.S. with their current foreign policy. What do you have to say about that?
A huge mistake, I'll give you that. I wish we had the guts to say no, as we did with Vietnam.

My issue with the OP is not that there is no repression in Iran, but that these things are brought to attention simply because the US has its sights on them. When Saddam was brutalizing his own people, he still enjoyed support from the US. When Saudi Arabia curtails freedom, they still enjoy support from the US. So what's the motivator?

Are they still doing it? The UK granted independence to those countries following WW2 when it became obvious that fighting for 'freedom' again Nazi Germany was a bit hypocritical when it had control over Africa and the Sub continent. The UK 'grew out' of it, when is the US going to do the same?
Didn't the UK have colonies in Africa up until the 70s? If they grew out of it, they only did it recently.


A huge mistake, I'll give you that. I wish we had the guts to say no, as we did with Vietnam.
Ohhh. So you admit that it was a mistake? Much like most of the American citizens admit that the Iraq war (or at least the gross mishandling of it) was a mistake?
I don't think Vietnam (at least going over there and helping them) was a mistake, I think that it was grossly mishandled. Everyone and their mother knows that.
So I guess we should have just let Saddam take over Kuwait (they asked us for help)?
If the U.S. intervenes, they are considered the cause of the world's problems.
If the U.S. stays out, they are accused of being stingy and not helping.
We're damned if we do and damned if we don't.
We're gettin way off topic here.

As for Iran, I really hope the population gets tired of their Islamic fascist government and does something about it. Unless Iran actually produces and/or tries to fire a nuclear weapon, we need to leave them alone. It would be better for both of us. If we invade Iran, the relatively moderate population would side with the government and not us. And as long as they're not an immediate threat to the region, we should leave them alone. I'll be the first to tell you that I'd love to see all the religious based hardline governments of this world disappear, but what can you do, you know?

If the U.S. stays out, they are accused of being stingy and not helping.
We're damned if we do and damned if we don't.
No when the US stays out, its because they have nothing to gain. When they do get involved (for purely self interest) a lot of innocent people usually die. Kuwait (or rather its dictator) may have asked for your help, but it was in the US interest to do so. But there is no consistency with regard to the repression of the population - the US is quite happy to support repressive regimes when it suits them. As I said before, if Iran co-operated with the US this reported repression would be swept under the carpet.


I'll be the first to tell you that I'd love to see all the religious based hardline governments of this world disappear, but what can you do, you know?
For a start we could stop supporting some of them simply because they dance to our tune. Why oh why does Saudi Arabia get such a free pass? Especially when they have been involved in so much?

American and/or British intervention did not create the culture of Iranians stoning each other.

Do you understand the kind of shit thats going on in Saudi Arabia? Why isn't that too, on your radars along with Iranian repression? Because they play ball with the US?

I grant you that. Between Iran and Saudi Arabia, Iran is *far* more progressive. In fact, by the standards of most of the region (except Turkey and Iraq), Iran is pretty progressive.

When Sweden has problems, it doesn't start bombing countries in the ME.

The US reasons for bombing Iraq and Afghanistan are slightly more complicated that you hint at here. Also, I'm curious why you're so upset when the US acts in its own self-interest? Every country does this, but when America does, we're "bad"...

Every country does this, but when America does, we're "bad"...

Because a heck of a lot of people die, most of whom have little or nothing to do with the US.

Tell me, what motivates you to point out Iranian repression? As futher prroof that "something needs to be done" about them? Why do you ignore Saudi Arabian repression? In fact, the US recently announced a massive arms deal for them.

All this, and yet the US (and the UK) claim to be protecting the ideals of freedom and democracy. What a crock of shit.

So I guess we should have just let Saddam take over Kuwait (they asked us for help)?


1) we should have made it clear when SH asked us that we would not like it if he went into Kuwait

2) we should not have supported his regime with technological aid, arms etc.

3) when he gassed the kurds in part helped with technology he received from the US and Europe we should have criticized him rather than, as Bush Sr. did, suppressed criticism.

4) we should not have cynically sold weapons to both sides of the Iran/Iraq conflict, nor should we - as Bush has publicallly stated - sell arms now to both Arab nations and Israel.

5) We did not care that much about Kuwait. It was the Saudis with their close ties to the Bush family whose call was answered.

6) we could have admitted that we fostered, supported and aided a dictator who was oppressing his own people and destabilizing the region long before he invaded Kuwait. But he was our friend.

7) plans to invade iraq were in place BEFORE the gulf war. Conservative think tanks have long proposed invading Iraq and setting up military bases there to ensure our - actually certain corporation - access to the oil.