It's phenomenal!...

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/ca653412-97b4-11dc-9e08-0000779fd2ac.html

:bravo: :bravo: :bravo:

The liberals are all hyperventilating about now...

Oh, it is good news. The fact is that we are not finished paying for really bad intel.

That's the same news as before, and there was no "bad intel". There was good intel that didn't fit the plan.

al Q is not likely to have its previous success. people are ready for it and are methodical about fighting it.

but there are still deaths in Iraq... i hope Patreus has a plan to fight those perps as well.

That's the same news as before, and there was no "bad intel". There was good intel that didn't fit the plan.

And Apollo 11 didn't land on the moon because Nixon was president.

Let's put this "great news" in context when the hurly-burly's done (http://www.shakespeare-literature.com/Macbeth/1.html).

Fun to watch the Reality-based Community in denial.

It's that Comedy/Tragedy-thingy: What doesn't happen to them is comedy; what does happen to them is tragedy.

Us winning in Iraq is happening: Tragedy!

Life is good and the air is filled with cheer and the sense of another mission accomplished -- without their help, and despite their whiny neurotic protestations.

Amen. The libs are furious.

I think the recent positive news from Iraq are just a silver lining in a really dark cloud. There are still many challenges to overcome

Don't think that goes unnoticed, otheadp. While the neocon apologists grasp at straws and leap aboard any passing tinseled Patriot bandwagon to flambouyantly wave their flags, there are many realists from all different backgrounds, who are observing the spectacle with cooler heads.

:tip of the hat:

Don't think that goes unnoticed, otheadp. While the neocon apologists grasp at straws and leap aboard any passing tinseled Patriot bandwagon to flambouyantly wave their flags, there are many realists from all different backgrounds, who are observing the spectacle with cooler heads.

:tip of the hat:

thanks, i guess.
i've always been like that.

The Other Iraq Surge (http://www.capitaleye.org/inside.asp?ID=300)

Since the start of the Iraq war in 2003, members of the U.S. military have dramatically increased their political contributions to Democrats, marching sharply away from the party they've long supported. In the 2002 election cycle, the last full cycle before the war began, Democrats received a mere 23 percent of military members' contributions.* So far this year, 40 percent of military money has gone to Democrats for Congress and president, according to the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics. Anti-war presidential candidates Barack Obama and Ron Paul are the top recipients of military money.

The same commentaries were written about how we were "winning" the Vientnam war was well.

The same commentaries were written about how we were "winning" the Vientnam war was well.

The funny thing is, (from some one who was there, first hand, and covered most of the country on missions, I flew UH-1-H,s), is that we were winning.

Read the history, the NVA didn't take over the country until after we had pulled out the combat troops, the last year I was there was 1972, and when I left the NVA were avoiding contact with any American units.

When I left was right at the time that the really big pull out started, and by the end of the year the situation was going to hell.

It still took the NVA till 1975 to complete the take over, and the only reason that they could was that the Democrats had cut all support for the South Vietnamese.

Looking back on it all - was it worth it? Everyone was told it was all to stop "Communism" but Russia, China, Cuba, Laos, Korea (n), Vietnam, Afghanistan, Cambodia, Mongolia and many others still were or became Communist and it didn't make a damn bit of difference. Now everyone is told it's to stop "Islamic Fundamentalists". Well guess what - it's not a crime to be an Islamic fundamentalist.

So we must legally allow the ME to have their Islamic Republics - then we sit back and watch them fail. Maybe after they've starved for a few decades they'll learn something, probably not, but so what. The best thing is to let the system fail on it's own accord and then move forward from there.



There is no question we could win a "war".
That's very easy.
The place could be bombed flat.
But now our goal is to build a democratic Iraq?!? Please BR. It's not going to happen. You can no more build a tower from water then a democracy from Iraq. It's the wrong building materials. So, much like Vietnam we should leave - nothing is going to happen just like nothing happened when we left Vietnam.

The Other Iraq Surge (http://www.capitaleye.org/inside.asp?ID=300)

Since the start of the Iraq war in 2003, members of the U.S. military have dramatically increased their political contributions to Democrats, marching sharply away from the party they've long supported. In the 2002 election cycle, the last full cycle before the war began, Democrats received a mere 23 percent of military members' contributions.* So far this year, 40 percent of military money has gone to Democrats for Congress and president, according to the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics. Anti-war presidential candidates Barack Obama and Ron Paul are the top recipients of military money.

Center for Responsive Politics hmm, you may wish to check their sponsers before you put much faith in their results. Just a thought.
http://www.opensecrets.org/about/index.asp
nonpartisan?

The funny thing is, (from some one who was there, first hand, and covered most of the country on missions, I flew UH-1-H,s), is that we were winning.
Read the history, the NVA didn't take over the country until after we had pulled out the combat troops, the last year I was there was 1972, and when I left the NVA were avoiding contact with any American units.
When I left was right at the time that the really big pull out started, and by the end of the year the situation was going to hell.
It still took the NVA till 1975 to complete the take over, and the only reason that they could was that the Democrats had cut all support for the South Vietnamese.

Many liberals hate the troops, hate the USA, and hate W so much that they are cheering for our defeat in Iraq. It's sickening.:(

I'd actually attribute it more to the fact that the pattern for the entire occupation has been that the violence flares during the summer and early fall and drops off during the late fall and winter but hey I'm obviously a commie liberal or something.

Oh and don't forget this has been the bloodiest year for Americans in Iraq.

Many liberals hate the troops, hate the USA, and hate W so much that they are cheering for our defeat in Iraq. It's sickening.:(

That is possibly the most ignorant thing I have ever read on this forum.

That is possibly the most ignorant thing I have ever read on this forum.
Well at least you can only get away with that kind of thing in politics.

Many liberals hate the troops, hate the USA, and hate W so much that they are cheering for our defeat in Iraq. It's sickening.:(

Yeah, only the liberals hate all that, mmhmm:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnG0eFwlmgI

- N

wow, what a *****!
religious fanatics... the real threat (don't care which religion)

back to topic: how does this go together with what i heard on cnn a few weeks ago that the death/injury rate off u.s. personel in iraq is growing?

how does this go together with what i heard on cnn a few weeks ago that the death/injury rate off u.s. personel in iraq is growing?

If could be that less violent attacks are occurring, but those that do, are far more vicious.

- N

so the insurgents are learning to be efficient...

Many liberals hate the troops, hate the USA, and hate W so much that they are cheering for our defeat in Iraq. It's sickening.:(

only some out of touch with reality truely believes that

It's all part of the denial process leading to its inevitable conclusion, when a wrongful war's failure will be blamed on those being demonized for not supporting it.

That is possibly the most ignorant thing I have ever read on this forum.

It's the truth spidey. Republicans are NOT protesting the troops, spitting on them, trying to cut off their funds.

EVERY liberal I ask "Do you want us to win Iraq?" hmms and haws and stutters and NEVER says yes. Letterman couldn't. Neither could any other liberal. They hate W so much that they are willing to put our troops in harms' way with no funding.

It's the truth spidey. Republicans are NOT protesting the troops, spitting on them, trying to cut off their funds.

EVERY liberal I ask "Do you want us to win Iraq?" hmms and haws and stutters and NEVER says yes. Letterman couldn't. Neither could any other liberal. They hate W so much that they are willing to put our troops in harms' way with no funding.

probably most humed and hawed because you blind sinded them. also we already won in iraq lets get out and stop being in the middle of a civil war

It's not over until every last terrrorist is destroyed.

sandy: 'EVERY liberal I ask "Do you want us to win Iraq?" hmms and haws and stutters and NEVER says yes. " '
If you define winning in Iraq as achieving stability there, and fostering goodwill towards the United States in Iraq and the region, I unequivocally support that. Trouble is, our occupation is not achieving that- Instead it has fragmented a nation that did not threaten us, and continues to multiply antipathy towards the USA. The invasion and occupation of Iraq have not been good for American interests, and compounding our mistakes will never reverse the outcome.

sandy: "It's not over until every last terrrorist is destroyed."

Humanity as we know it will be over, before any such impossible objective can be achieved.

sandy: "It's not over until every last terrrorist is destroyed."

Humanity as we know it will be over, before any such impossible objective can be achieved.

How ever long it takes.

You go, Girl. (I mean, really)

How does:

EVERY liberal I ask "Do you want us to win Iraq?" hmms and haws and stutters and NEVER says yes. Letterman couldn't. Neither could any other liberal. They hate W so much that they are willing to put our troops in harms' way with no funding.

Equal this?

It's the truth spidey. Republicans are NOT protesting the troops, spitting on them, trying to cut off their funds.

???

- N

It's not over until every last terrrorist is destroyed.

so in other words never.

It's the truth spidey. Republicans are NOT protesting the troops, spitting on them, trying to cut off their funds.

EVERY liberal I ask "Do you want us to win Iraq?" hmms and haws and stutters and NEVER says yes. Letterman couldn't. Neither could any other liberal. They hate W so much that they are willing to put our troops in harms' way with no funding.

No, it's not. No one is protesting "the troops", just the war. No one is spitting on the troops besides the Bush administration, who's Veteran's Administration scandals are well known. The troops don't control policy, that's just a cop-out to avoid responsibility for the situation. It's a false choice. Have you heard about the soldiers being asked to return their signing bonus, since they were injured in Iraq?
"Do you want us to win Iraq?"

What a stupid question. Of course winning is preferable to losing. How much are we supposed to pay until the Iraqis figure out their problems?

It's not over until every last terrrorist is destroyed.

Then you have accepted neverending war, and the consequent erosion of rights and aquisition of executive power that come with it.

No, it's not. No one is protesting "the troops", just the war. No one is spitting on the troops besides the Bush administration, who's Veteran's Administration scandals are well known. The troops don't control policy, that's just a cop-out to avoid responsibility for the situation. It's a false choice. Have you heard about the soldiers being asked to return their signing bonus, since they were injured in Iraq?
What a stupid question. Of course winning is preferable to losing. How much are we supposed to pay until the Iraqis figure out their problems?

Not a day passes that I don't hear some liberal saying how stupid the troops are. How they were desperate so they signed up. How they're "dumb, stupid, uneducated." The left HATES the military and everything it stands for.
"Do you want us to win Iraq" IS a stupid question. The answer should be obvious. The even more stupid thing is that most liberals' answer is "no". They HATE W so much they want us to lose to make him look stupid. Too bad it's backfiring.

Not a day passes that I don't hear some liberal saying how stupid the troops are. How they were desperate so they signed up. How they're "dumb, stupid, uneducated." The left HATES the military and everything it stands for.
"Do you want us to win Iraq" IS a stupid question. The answer should be obvious. The even more stupid thing is that most liberals' answer is "no". They HATE W so much they want us to lose to make him look stupid. Too bad it's backfiring.

your eloquence never ceases to amaze Sandy :rolleyes:

No need to sugar-coat your comments. :)

No need to sugar-coat your comments. :)

ok, your batshit insane.

your eloquence never ceases to amaze Sandy :rolleyes:

Most of the "angry, young, poor" don't get it.

ok, your batshit insane.

In Jesus' name I forgive you.

It's not over until every last terrrorist is destroyed.

I dont know how one can reply to whether they want the US to win the war in Iraq or not, IMO the war was won when Saddam was found and executed, America is not fighting the Iraqi army, but its more or less a guerrilla warfare, and history tells us its pretty much a no-win situation, America should withdraw, end this warfare, as warfare is another form of terrorism, and will only breed more terrorists. Moreover, I dont know if you were joking or not, but thats frankly the most immature comment Ive come across, there would never be an end to this war if we were to go hunting after every terrorist. And I doubt anyone would want to fund this war, if the Iraqis want democracy they can manage on their own, Saddam is gone, if they dont...well they dont, why should American taxpayers pay? And why does democracy in Iraq concern us so much anyway?

In Jesus' name I forgive you.
Coming from you thats an insult.

Not a day passes that I don't hear some liberal saying how stupid the troops are. How they were desperate so they signed up. How they're "dumb, stupid, uneducated." The left HATES the military and everything it stands for.
"Do you want us to win Iraq" IS a stupid question. The answer should be obvious. The even more stupid thing is that most liberals' answer is "no". They HATE W so much they want us to lose to make him look stupid. Too bad it's backfiring.

You hear what you want to hear. Bush's government has loosened restrictions on recruiting. I know about this personally. White supremecists, criminals, and yes, even "criminal aliens", are being recruited into our army. That's not to say I hate the troops or anything, it's just a fact.

The troops don't make our foriegn policy. By zeroing in on the soldiers that carry out Bush's orders, you ignore the nature of those orders. I support the troops more than you. I think those convicted of wrongdoing in Abu Grabe were not the ones responsible for torture. Lindy England should never have gone to jail, only Rumsfeld!

Iraq is not ours to win, it's not our country. To ask the troops to patrol around and get killed is not a war, and they can do little to further the development of Iraq as a working country. It's not the job we trained them to do. They should be fighting battles. Bush has already lost this one. He lost trillions of dollars, thousands of lives, and lifted up Iran as the greatest power in the region.

I do hate W. I do want him to look stupid, but he's already done that. I want the suffering he caused in Iraq to end. I want Iraq to be a peaceful and prosperous society, I want our troops to come home, and I want them cared for. I don't want our troops to pay back their signing bonus if they get injured, I want them to get the best medical care money can buy.

Most of the "angry, young, poor" don't get it.

Just as I'm sure most of the stupid, ignorant, and fake do :D