We found Padilla's al Qaeda application, U.S. says (http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/13614792.htm)
Prosecutors said the U.S. government discovered alleged terrorist José Padilla's written application to join al Qaeda.
This is ridiculous , they just happened to find this mans application to join Al Qaeda just laying there waiting to be found ! This is a stretch of the imagination for anyone especially when you consider just why would Al Qaeda have application forms to join this prestigious army when 95% of its recruits are illiterate (http://www.time.com/time/asia/magazine/article/0,13673,501040920-695917-2,00.html) !
After the U.S. military invaded Afghanistan to oust its Taliban rulers, authorities found a locker full of applications to join al Qaeda's holy war overseas.
Same as those diaries US forces found in Afghanistan , all written in English and not Arabic , detailing daily events leading up to 9/11 . And the maps of New York City they found along with airline ticketing information .
Pell said Padilla's July 24, 2000, application was authenticated by a ''cooperating government witness'' convicted in an unrelated case who had once filled out the same Arabic ''mujahadeen data form.''
Oh well that changes everything , cooperating government witness , that smacks of set up . Another innocent sacrificial goat is set up , tried in a kangaroo court and summarily dealt patriot act justice and the media serves it up to the American SHEEPle as a victory over the forces of darkness .

I find it really interesting that you'll believe anything you read that's bad about the USA, but then by the same token, anything that's good, you'll immediately label as "ridiculous". I'm not sure, Brian, but I'm beginning to see a pattern in your posts. Could it be, is it possible, just slightly possible, that ye're biased?

Baron Max

Similarly you ridicule everything that is labeled as bad.

It seems plausable to me that Padilla applied to Al Quida. He would be less trusted than a native muslim. However, as an American citizen, he deserves a fair trial under US law.

Are you implying that only american citizens deserve fair trials, or that foreign citizens merely should have fair trial under their own foreign law?

Excellent play on the spelling. You should begin doing that everywhere.

The story? Since when do terrorists have written applications? Do they set up recruitment stands down at welfare where people apply? Do they have a central computer processing center where the applications are examined? Are the applications written in Arabic or English? Does Jose Padilla read and write Arabic?
Do they accept applications written in pencil or only in ink? Do they use touchscreen technology for the poor people that cannot write?

Are you implying that only american citizens deserve fair trials, or that foreign citizens merely should have fair trial under their own foreign law?
I'm saying the law regarding citizens is clear, while the legal status of others arrested in connection with the war on terror is still being debated.

I find it really interesting that you'll believe anything you read that's bad about the USA,
Lets not get emotional Baron , America at this moment in time of World history is prosecuting a belligerent policy of war in the 3rd World . It is only logical seeing most news emanating is about the US military adventures .
but then by the same token, anything that's good, you'll immediately label as "ridiculous".
Considering Americas leaders lied about the Reasons to invade Iraq such as links to Al Qaeda and the Iraqi A-Bomb and the media printed those LIES I have every reason to view any media reports from the US propaganda complex with discernment .
I'm not sure, Brian, but I'm beginning to see a pattern in your posts. Could it be, is it possible, just slightly possible, that ye're biased?
Towards the powerless victims of the mighty yes .
It seems plausable to me that Padilla applied to Al Quida. He would be less trusted than a native muslim.
Yeah , but fill out a application form ? Come on why would a terrorist organisation incriminate themselves with such a blatant piece of evidence ?The IRA the worlds most sophisticated rebel army never had this .
However, as an American citizen, he deserves a fair trial under US law.
He shouldnt be on trial !
Excellent play on the spelling. You should begin doing that everywhere.

The story? Since when do terrorists have written applications? Do they set up recruitment stands down at welfare where people apply? Do they have a central computer processing center where the applications are examined? Are the applications written in Arabic or English? Does Jose Padilla read and write Arabic?
Do they accept applications written in pencil or only in ink? Do they use touchscreen technology for the poor people that cannot write?
Yeah , and Al Qaeda runs its own insurance sheme for its vets ! I would like to see Padillas defence team , I bet you they are court appointed , in other words saps .
Are you implying that only american citizens deserve fair trials, or that foreign citizens merely should have fair trial under their own foreign law?
You realise the US refused to join the proposed World criminal court , dont you ? These accused should be tried in the Hague .

Yeah , but fill out a application form ? Come on why would a terrorist organisation incriminate themselves with such a blatant piece of evidence ?
I think it's at least plausable that these forms are authentic, but I have no way of knowing. Any organization of significant size and professionalism (and we know some of their missions have been successful) has administration requirements. I'm sure the authenticity of these documents will be questioned, especially given the Bush administration's history of depending on forgeries. But isn't it a little too obvious to be fake?

You realise the US refused to join the proposed World criminal court , dont you ? These accused should be tried in the Hague .

Yep, Kissinger amongst others must have been mighty pleased with this US decision.

I think it's at least plausable that these forms are authentic, but I have no way of knowing. Any organization of significant size and professionalism (and we know some of their missions have been successful) has administration requirements. I'm sure the authenticity of these documents will be questioned, especially given the Bush administration's history of depending on forgeries. But isn't it a little too obvious to be fake?

I don't know man...An application to join a terrorist organization? Why would a organization bent on criminal intent have it's member fill out "employment" applications? Seems you'd want to keep your membership as private as possible. Having applications laying around detailing who your members are seems rather contrary to the point of having a secert membership.

You'd think so, but weren't the KKK bureaucratic? And they were the archetypal 'secret organisation'.

Yep, Kissinger amongst others must have been mighty pleased with this US decision.
They could still get him at the World Court , the Criminal court literally frightens the daylights out of corporation executives , the ones who supply weapons to wayward regimes .

Nah, don't forget about "The Hague Invasion Act", heh.

- N

Originally posted by Dkb218:
I don't know man...An application to join a terrorist organization? Why would a organization bent on criminal intent have it's member fill out "employment" applications? Seems you'd want to keep your membership as private as possible. Having applications laying around detailing who your members are seems rather contrary to the point of having a secert membership.

I think the question here to keep in mind is what type of "applications" are these. Is this something that Al Qaeda required, or are they just letters that an idiot like Padilla wrote to the organization in order to get into it.

If the U.S. government is attempting to assert that Al Qaeda has something of a standard "application" form, I think it is safe to say that it is probably a forgery. Unfortunately the article does not state what the application looks like, and it may be a word used for lack of a better term. Perhaps a "letter" to Al Qaeda might be more accurate, but I do not know from this story.

Nah, don't forget about "The Hague Invasion Act", heh.

- N
Theres always a Fucking loophole for those who can pay for it !

UPDATE :
Prosecutors release Padilla's purported al-Qaida application (http://www.wqad.com/Global/story.asp?S=4362054&nav=1sW7)
MIAMI Federal prosecutors have released an application to join an al-Qaida training camp in Afghanistan that they say was filled out by accused terror operative and former Chicago gang member Jose Padilla .The "Mujahideen Data Form" bears the signature of Abu Abdallah al Muhajir, which the F-B-I says is the Muslim name that Padilla adopted after he converted to Islam.
Isnt the name "Abu Abdallah al Muhajir " the John Smith of the Arab speaking World ?
What utterly non-incriminating evidence , this is not even considered circumstantial at best .

Walnut are you in a padded nutshell or what, these bullshit shells your cracking open, just makes you to be a bigger walnut than you already are, your evidence or shells are a joke, your agenda is only to make america, or israel bad, at least when i have a point against religons, or races i back them up with facts, from legitamate news websites, not anti i hate the west web sites, walnut you will never make a lawyer with your evidence, and you will never get a conviction niether, but i have no doubt one day you will make a good muslim terroist, or anarchist, or indeed the A class walnut that you have become.[/QUOTE]

MIAMI Federal prosecutors have released an application to join an al-Qaida training camp in Afghanistan that they say was filled out by accused terror operative and former Chicago gang member Jose Padilla .The "Mujahideen Data Form" bears the signature of Abu Abdallah al Muhajir, which the F-B-I says is the Muslim name that Padilla adopted after he converted to Islam.
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Isnt the name "Abu Abdallah al Muhajir " the John Smith of the Arab speaking World ?
What utterly non-incriminating evidence , this is not even considered circumstantial at best .

Yeah, I know. I don't see how they can link this to Jose Padilla if all they have is a silly application with the signature of an Abu Abdallah al Muhajir.

It's bad enough that they have an Al Qaeda "application" (lol), but with the only name on it being a common one that isn't even his real name? Sheesh! Talk about a stretch. Gotta do better than that.

- N

Yeah, I know. I don't see how they can link this to Jose Padilla if all they have is a silly application with the signature of an Abu Abdallah al Muhajir.

It's bad enough that they have an Al Qaeda "application" (lol), but with the only name on it being a common one that isn't even his real name? Sheesh! Talk about a stretch. Gotta do better than that.

- N
What frightens me is there are people who will believe and send this man down for life or the chair !

Brian Brian Brian,

Stick to your Padillia stuff. Once you start throwing in the 9/11 nonsense you really start to look crazy.

But I thought Padilla was the secret bomber #2 for the Murrah Federal Building bombing, not 9/11?

- N

you really start to look crazy.
Thats impossible for fucks sake , not when you have Vincent28uk posting on sciforums .

Pssh, quit whining chestnut, err peanut, err almond! :p

- N