My friends and I were talking the other day (we all talk a lot about pointless crap) about the moon landings.
My friend expressed her strong beliefs that it didn't actually ever happen.
I was wondering what other people had to say about this as I, again, doubt that it did ever actually happen.
There is lots of 'proof' to suggest it didn't but there is 'proof' that it did happen too, then again - we've all heard of special effects haven't we!?!

Originally posted by NeonSky
My friends and I were talking the other day (we all talk a lot about pointless crap) about the moon landings.
My friend expressed her strong beliefs that it didn't actually ever happen.
I was wondering what other people had to say about this as I, again, doubt that it did ever actually happen.
There is lots of 'proof' to suggest it didn't but there is 'proof' that it did happen too, then again - we've all heard of special effects haven't we!?!
I'm no longer surprised at come of the crap people believe. One point: how do we know the exact distance to the moon? We bounced a laser off a mirror, and timed it. How did that mirror get on the moon? An astronaut put it there.

So are you one of these people who believe everything they are told?
How do you know they know the exact distance? It could all be totally made up.
I may be talking out of my arse (again) here, and I'm sorry if I am, I just find it hard to believe it all.

Originally posted by NeonSky
So are you one of these people who believe everything they are told?
I'm one of those people who believe things that I've no reason not to believe. There were tens of thousands of people involved in the moon landings; at the very least several thousand people would've had to be in on the secret. D'you really think that five thousand people could all keep that secret for thirty years?

And what's so hard to believe, anyway? Do you beleive that Voyager 1&2 toured the outer planets? There was a technological feat every bit as daunting as the moon landing. Are those photos of Europa and Io fake too?

It appears you have not read any of my other posts before, so I will explain.
I like to doubt things I have not seen with my own eyes. No, actually I like to doubt everything. Sorry, it's just who I am - a non-believer. Prehaps it was a crap subject to bring up... so again, sorry.

Originally posted by NeonSky
It appears you have not read any of my other posts before, so I will explain.
I like to doubt things I have not seen with my own eyes. No, actually I like to doubt everything. Sorry, it's just who I am - a non-believer. Prehaps it was a crap subject to bring up... so again, sorry. Do you believe in Australia?

As I have been to Australia before and most of my family live over there, then yes I do.
I have seen it with my own eyes, therefore I believe.

Is this a trick question? I feel it is too easy...

Originally posted by NeonSky
As I have been to Australia before and most of my family live over there, then yes I do.
I have seen it with my own eyes, therefore I believe.

Is this a trick question? I feel it is too easy... I bloody knew I'd pick a country you'd been in. Alright. Do you believe in the North Pole? Glasgow? Dublin?

Actually, I have been to Glasgow and Dublin too.
No, never been to North Pole but yes I do believe in that.
Thats a totally different thing and you know it! :p
If I wanted to go to the North Pole, I could. Going to the Moon or Space is another matter!:p

Originally posted by NeonSky
Actually, I have been to Glasgow and Dublin too.
No, never been to North Pole but yes I do believe in that.
Thats a totally different thing and you know it! :p
If I wanted to go to the North Pole, I could. Going to the Moon or Space is another matter!:p So is it easier to believe that Europa is covered in ice, and that we know it because of voyager, or that tens of thousand of people have spent man-decades faking images? That someone was so bored that he thought up a plan to send NEAR to an 'asteroid' and 'land' thereon?

And no, it isn't different. Either you're solipsistic or you're not. If you're not, you need a valid reason for your disbelief.

Ok, I believe in the North Pole because if I wanted to go - I could!
However, going to Space is SLIGHTLY different!
You are making a weak argument here!
I know you understand what I am talking about.
I am also not denying the fact that the moon or the North Pole exists, that would of course be stupid! I am simply saying - Did they ever actually land on it?!?
Different!

Originally posted by NeonSky
I am simply saying - Did they ever actually land on it?!?
Different! I'm simply saying: why do you think they didn't?

And I'm simply saying - If I have no definate proof that it happened, then I refuse to believe.
You look on the web and you will see lots of sights that back up the fact that it didn't happen.
On the other hand, there are lots of facts that suggest it did happen.
To me, the facts that it didn't happen out weigh the facts that it did.
Ok, it was recorded, but people make amazing films with special effects don't they? That's all I'm saying.

Originally posted by NeonSky
And I'm simply saying - If I have no definate proof that it happened, then I refuse to believe.
You look on the web and you will see lots of sights that back up the fact that it didn't happen.
On the other hand, there are lots of facts that suggest it did happen.
To me, the facts that it didn't happen out weigh the facts that it did.
Ok, it was recorded, but people make amazing films with special effects don't they? That's all I'm saying. I've yet to see any proof that couldn't be countered by one simple fact: too many people were involved. To suggest that it didn't is to suggest, as I've said, that five thousand people could all keep a secret for thirty years. Which they can, if 4,999 of them are dead.

(Last bit (C) Ben Franklin)

I am too tired to argue.
You win if you want.
My opinion remains the same.
And it is possible for 5000 people to keep quiet. If it saves face and stops them looking like a tit then I'm sure they can keep it shut.
Anyway, I believe this has become boring and I think it's about time we started a new topic of conversation.
I enjoy/ed our little debate - argument and I look forward to many in the future.

Look under the forum of Astronomy, Exobiology, & Cosmology for the thread "Did we really go to the moon?" It has some good points and a info link on this subject.

The title was meant to be humorous

Thank you for that, and yes, you did fail with your title attempt.

I was thinking of Cheech and Chong's(?) character creation of Sister Mary Elephant when I wrote the title. After rereading it I thought it might be misconstruded so I added the note at the bottom rather than remove the title.

Ok, I am sorry - yet again.

Oh pusta,
No need to apologize! It was said and taken in fun. So I say, Have fun.

I seem to have given you the wrong thread. It was under the Mars! thread and was provided by thecurly1.
http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html

Welcome to the forums kcollins!

I throughly agree with that accessment! As I have made my thougths and feelings on the subject well known.

I don't know if this will help or not, but a friend of mine made a good point by saying that it's unlikely the moon launch was a hoax because we were racing against the cosmonauts to get there first. If our mission were a hoax I'm sure the cosmonauts would have known, from their own tracking equipment, that we hadn't made it and they would have continued the race to get there first.

Just a thought.

Now how did I read kcollins' post and answer it before the poster finished and so come ahead of it?

For any non-believers that we went to the moon look at this link I've provided. We went, we explored, but we haven't gone back...

http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html

Scince there were 5000 people working on the moon landings u couldn't have them all doing the same thing. So u gave them one thing each to do. And scince they didnt see the whole picture they were just in the dark as the rest of us. Except the few that was overseeing it. You try and find the overall leaders of the moon landings there ethier dead retired or just dont exsit anymore.

You try and find the overall leaders of the moon landings there ethier dead retired or just dont exsit anymore.

A retired one


"Eugene Kranz was the Director of Mission Operations at Johnson Space Center. Kranz joined NASA in 1960, eventually working with all of the odd-numbered Apollo missions. He retired in 1994, and is now a sought-after lecturer."

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/tothemoon/kranz.html

And

http://www.space.com/peopleinterviews/apollo13_kranz_iview_000411.html

Not that hard to find, just do a Google search.

There is lots of evidence that the moon landing was fake, but no proof. The evidence can be refuted. I've seen the evidence, and I've seen it shot down. The moon landing was real.
Go here: Skeptical inquiry of moon landing conspiracy (http://directory.google.com/Top/Science/Science_in_Society/Skeptical_Inquiry/Hoaxes/Lunar_Landing/)

The moon landings where real

I think your right i think they did go to the moon but why would all this evidnce of a fake landing be poping up then, the only reason i can think they are allowing people to post stuff about the fake is because they went there and found somthing they didn't want ur average joe to see

I think your right i think they did go to the moon but why would all this evidnce of a fake landing be poping up then

There is an old saying in the newspaper game: "Never let the truth get in the way of a good story"

I guess with the internet it is now more true than ever.

what are the fake evidence you people are talking about? do you mean those pictures and discurses like "the universe has many stars but the sky shown on the picture of the moon is black with no lightsd of stars"? these things already have explanations, if anyone wants i can look for the link.

and for the guy who don't believe in anything that he don't see that science has proven, do you beelieve in quantum mechanics?

What I love is when somebody does not believe in something that we do have a lot of modern, well documented evidence for. But then they DO believe in something old and much more tenuously documented (like a religion or astrology or some such).

Now the modern event with all the evidence could indeed be false, and the ancient word of mouth event could indeed be true . . . but its much easier to go with overwhelming probability when it comes to uncertaintys.

but as a veteran Skylab worker at the Cape when Apollos were still flying- I always have to point out:

We sent 9 missions to the moon, with 6 landings.
Do you think if it were fake that those in charge would have risked being 'found out' that many times?

We sent 24 men to the moon- 12 orbited and 12 walked on it.
(Sadly, 5 are now dead) Some of them were (and are) friends of mine. You may think all astronauts are cut from the same 'right stuff' mold- but trust me, they are all very strong individual characters who love to speak their mind. 24 guys like that would NOT keep quiet about any 'funny business.'

And a personal note- I pity all who have never witnessed a Saturn V launch live..... if you had, you'd have no doubt that those guys were GOING!

Did we go to the moon? You bet we did.

I pity all who have never witnessed a Saturn V launch live

If you have ever seen a rocket go up from the Cape, you have little doubt that we are sending up people and materials. We didn't always have an ISS. I have always enjoyed the rains that follow a launch.

And terrible in its beauty is a rocket that is detonated because it went awry. To see the horizon lit from the detonation is something. In the first years of launching all did not go as planned...

That would rock, seeing a Saturn V launch.

As for the lack of stars in the moon shots, it's because of the bright reflected light on the moon. Same as some shots of Earth from space don't show stars. The photgraph must be suited to the amount of light to have an atcual image, and fainter lights such as stars are washed out.