Many Christians believe in the possibility of a second coming, but I would like to ask realistically what criteria would a modern day prophet or Christ have to meet before you believed in them? I mean lets face it if it does happen who is gonna believe such a claim in this day and age. What are the chances of them getting sectioned in a mental institute! What would be the best way for them to anounce themselves?

Many Christians believe in the possibility of a second coming, but I would like to ask realistically what criteria would a modern day prophet or Christ have to meet before you believed in them? I mean lets face it if it does happen who is gonna believe such a claim in this day and age. What are the chances of them getting sectioned in a mental institute! What would be the best way for them to anounce themselves?

Well, there is a lunatic fringe of the Spiritualist Crowd that are more than willing to believe any claim simply from inclination to believe, and then they will ignore all absolute proofs to the contrary. For instance, Sathya Sai Baba in India and the new phenom, Buddha Boy Ram Bomjon of Nepal, both caught many times so far with their hands in the proverbial cooky jar of fraud, and yet their hard core followers simply find opposition to be a healthy challenge to their Faith.

But, yes, we need to consider the General Public. And they will require a Big Miracle. As an example we can site Portugal in 1917 and the Our Lady of Fatima Appearances and the Huge Miracle of the Sun spectacle of 13 October. The whole country had been going Socialist, and the Catholic Church was VERY unpopular, UNTIL the Fatima Incident... and the Socialist Revolution stalled out. Portugal, by the way, was able to dodge both the nastiness of a Spanish Civil War, and avoided all of World War Two (The Protestant World War)

While Fatima converted almost every citizen of Portugal, the Newspaper Barons were quick to bury the story and keep it from reaching international distribution.

But if there were a similar Miracle today, just a few Newspaper Barons would not be able to so easily misdirect the public. Indeed, there are some modern prophecies that predict a Huge Miracle, and not one but two First Magnitude Prophets (and both will be assassinated).

Now, before all you secular atheists insist that people will never be fooled again by Religion, consider that people are caught up by popular fads, and it is really difficult to tell what the next new fad will be. A Huge Miracle might just spontaneously take off on a wave of public enthusiasm... not matter how stupidly non-reflective.

And yes, it does bother me that people are thoughtlessly stupid. Indeed, I am grateful to This Page for having never banned me, but EVERY Religious or Spiritual Page to which I have ever belonged has. Stupid and unreflective and hostile when questioned. And these are self-proclaimed religious and spiritual people. My only excuse for True Religion and Spirituality is that it comprises Two Orders of People -- the Idiots and Myself.

Many Christians believe in the possibility of a second coming, but I would like to ask realistically what criteria would a modern day prophet or Christ have to meet before you believed in them? I mean lets face it if it does happen who is gonna believe such a claim in this day and age. What are the chances of them getting sectioned in a mental institute! What would be the best way for them to anounce themselves?

Well most prophets of God end up getting killed. So not many of them have the luxury of being put in a mental institute.

A prophet serves a purpose to call out to those who will hear. Once a Prophet has achieved his mission then death is an early mark to eternity. So no troubles there.

A Prophets teachings must not run in rebellion against the revealed Word of God that is the test that those who believe the Word of God use to test the prophet. Also whatever a prophet says will come to pass must come to pass otherwise they are a false prophet.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

Well most prophets of God end up getting killed.


Actually not.

Remember that 'prophet' is only a word. Ancient History also calls some of the important people in their Histories 'law givers' and 'seers'. yeah, the Jews tend to be quick to kill each other, and other people as well, but this is exactly why we cannot generalize from jewish behavior to the behaviors of those who may likely be alot more civilized. We only need to consider whether most other Societies really would have murdered Jesus. Well, yes, America that killed Jack Kennedy and Martin Luther King would probably have also shot Jesus, but then again the American Protestants pride themselves on being the New Jews. I think that is what Capitalism is all about -- Protestants trying to be just like their Ideals, to be as mean, shallow and petty as the most Archetypical Jew.

Look back at any number of ancient Civilizations and Societies and you will find their important founders to have died of old age in their sleep.

Didn't Jesus say to someone he would be coming back in their lifetime? Christians have been expecting him to come on a specific date as far back as 1000. They keep pushing the date up. I think he just died like anyone else. The resurrection is a spiritual phenomenon.

Didn't Jesus say to someone he would be coming back in their lifetime? Christians have been expecting him to come on a specific date as far back as 1000. They keep pushing the date up. I think he just died like anyone else. The resurrection is a spiritual phenomenon.

Well, not exactly.

Jesus, when he was being led off to be crucified he put a Curse on Jerusalem saying that it would be destroyed in a lifetime.

Indeed, the Book of Revelations was a prophecy of this Destruction, and it did in fact occur. Jerusalem was trashed by the Romans first in 71 A.D. and again in 130 A.D. History calls it the beginning of the Jewish Diaspora.

People today who STILL try to find prophecy in the Book of Revelation are simply ignorant of History. It has already happened.

Now, Modern Christians argue that the prophecy has to do with them, and they are still here. Their mistake is that they believe themselves to be the Christians that Revelation speaks of. But they are Paul's Christians, who were not in fact authentic Christians at all. The Real Christians were Messianic Jews who still believed in the Law, the Sermon of the Mount, and all that Good Stuff. Paul's Christians believed it was a Good Thing to Kill the Messiah for a Free Sin Salvation. Jesus had warned of such False Apostles as Paul -- Wolves in Sheep's Clothing -- Weeds in the Wheat -- Wide Ways to Destruction. Modern Christians should just admit that they are Children of the Antichrist. Get past Denial and see the Truth. Then QUIT... hopefully after they take any and every legal step to shut down these Churches of Satan.

But the Destruction of Jerusalem and the Jewish Diaspora marked the end of the Abrahamic Dispensation. It was the beginning of the Marian Dispensation -- the Appearances of the Apparition Mary and the promises of Spiritual Grace. In this case it was not an offer of Free Sin but an invitation to Spiritual Exploration.

It wasn't a prophecy, it was a reflection of the first destruction of Jerusalem, because it was written around 95 A.D.

It wasn't a prophecy, it was a reflection of the first destruction of Jerusalem, because it was written around 95 A.D.

Well, yes, but it was FOISTED as a Prophecy --- "Look how all this came true... blah blah blah".

But the point is that it is old news anyway.

Didn't Jesus say to someone he would be coming back in their lifetime?

I thought so too.
I don't have time to look for a reference right now, unfortunately.

I think it was in Matthew?

Many Christians believe in the possibility of a second coming, but I would like to ask realistically what criteria would a modern day prophet or Christ have to meet before you believed in them? I mean lets face it if it does happen who is gonna believe such a claim in this day and age. What are the chances of them getting sectioned in a mental institute! What would be the best way for them to anounce themselves?

I would have thought that anybody who thinks they are a prophet would probably get sectioned. Whereas if an individual has done something, and a group of people have seen some sort of visionary you might have a chance of belief.
People are a lot more inellectualy independant now than they were 2000 years ago so are not so easily fooled by charlatans and people with mental illness, who are convinced by there own dellusions.
Anybody who anounces themselves as a prophet are generaly a bit loopy-
look-up-
Jim Jones,
David Koresh,
Charles Manson,
If david copperfeild had lived 2000yrs ago he would have given JC a run for his money (lol), they may have been called prophets back then but we call them confidence trickster's now well most of us but then again people still believe and some still teach their kids about santa claus

A prophet serves a purpose to call out to those who will hear. Once a Prophet has achieved his mission then death is an early mark to eternity. So no troubles there.


A prophet his someone who predicts or prophecises/has prophecies and are judged by their accuracy.
someone whose pupose is to call out to those who will hear is either a preacher or in the institute. A prophecy must have prophetic content of something that will take place or of consequence of an event that has taken place.

Its Mathew Chapter 24

Check this out:

http://www.solagroup.org/articles/endtimes/et_0003.html

The guy presents about the same argument that I sketched, that Jesus came back in 71 A.D. but everyone who saw it got killed by the Romans...not having any time to write a book, I mean a scroll, about it first.

Its Mathew Chapter 24

Check this out:

http://www.solagroup.org/articles/endtimes/et_0003.html

The guy presents about the same argument that I sketched, that Jesus came back in 71 A.D. but everyone who saw it got killed by the Romans...not having any time to write a book, I mean a scroll, about it first.

Just had a look 1 bit says that the rapture has already taken place so if genesis was written 100 years after ashurbanipal ruled babylon (650bc),the 1 god concept comes into existence [god is born penned by the hand of man],it(god) exists for nearly a millenia [all actions during existence penned by the hand of man], A millenia later harcore sects of christianity in the name of all that is good and holy force beilef in god under pain of death [To save the life of a dying god, constructed by the hand of man],A few hundred years later the european philosiphers announce god is dead [penned out of existence or killled by man] man controled god for the purpose of man controling man, god has never controled man, men have only feared the unknown.

Its Mathew Chapter 24

Check this out:

http://www.solagroup.org/articles/endtimes/et_0003.html



Just read a bit more I don't see how his prediction of downfall or rome and jerusalem is prophetic. We know that he travelled all his life and spoke to alot of people therefore, he must of listened to alot of people accuiring knowledge along the way, from this accuisition he would have got the feeling of loss of control over the people by the roman's and rabbi's, with loss of control comes loss of power,loss of power is a nation's downfall.common sense now but it gives him an intelligence ahead of his time.

I.E. if i say to u that within 50 years america will dissolve thruogh civil war between states and race, mexico and canada will close its borders sanctions by the world authority on the us over its botched domination attempt and mis-use of nuclear and chemical weapons force hungry citizens to oust the government,Isreal is destroyed by the united armies of asia for using us troops to oust indeginous people and for its use of nuclear weapons given to then by usa..
I am not making a prophecy but using common sense to see where the escalation of what i see happening in the world may end if 1 part of this comes true i'm not a prophet i'm combining what i know to guess a possible or likley outcome I think that there is no mysticism or proof in mathew of jesus prophecies more like a mis-interpretation of where jesus got his information from to guess the outcome.

Many Christians believe in the possibility of a second coming, but I would like to ask realistically what criteria would a modern day prophet or Christ have to meet before you believed in them? I mean lets face it if it does happen who is gonna believe such a claim in this day and age. What are the chances of them getting sectioned in a mental institute! What would be the best way for them to anounce themselves?

Ssshhhhhh!!!!!!

A prophet his someone who predicts or prophecises/has prophecies and are judged by their accuracy.
someone whose pupose is to call out to those who will hear is either a preacher or in the institute. A prophecy must have prophetic content of something that will take place or of consequence of an event that has taken place.

Prophecy of the future is only a part of the Work of a Prophet. Society as a whole has overlooked the main Job of a Prophet and that is to be a messenger of God to the people.

That is the main mission of a prophet.

And as a side not. Only a small proportion of prophets ever get the words they give put down in righting. Most prophets are killed long before that. That is why Jesus lamented when He looked over Jerusalem “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing!"

Many of the prophets where killed, and many are being killed today, same as it ever was, same as it ever was.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

Prophecy of the future is only a part of the Work of a Prophet. Society as a whole has overlooked the main Job of a Prophet and that is to be a messenger of God to the people.
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M*W: Do all gods have messengers? How can you tell the difference between the gods and the messengers? Do you get a creepy feeling or something like that with the evil ones? Are they all really evil? Do the good prophets glow?

BTW, no, I wasn't banned during my hiatus, and it's good to be back!

the main Job of a Prophet and that is to be a messenger of God to the people.

That is the main mission of a prophet.

All Praise The Ancient Of Days

God is a man made contstruct, it's only existence is in the form of belief ,like scooby doo or superman they all exist and they are all not real.

I think that the main job of a prophet is to translate to the people a vision he/she may have had incase of impending disaster.

as man created god and has controled gods actions since he was written into existence 2500 years ago if a man claims to be a messenger of god then he has got a screw loose, if he claims to be a man with a vision or perception of something which no-one else can see then he could be a visionary with an acute and unique collective of information which has guided him to a option many would not have.

Prophets are a dime a dozen. Okay, maybe, like forty bucks an eighth. Point being, give me three and a half grams of good cubensis, and I will tell you what God has to day.

Many of the prophets where killed, and many are being killed today, same as it ever was, same as it ever was.

could you give an example of a modern prophet?

Do the good prophets glow?

yes, and sometimes they get stigmata. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stigmata

but true prophets are kind of rare..

Many Christians believe in the possibility of a second coming, but I would like to ask realistically what criteria would a modern day prophet or Christ have to meet before you believed in them? I mean lets face it if it does happen who is gonna believe such a claim in this day and age. What are the chances of them getting sectioned in a mental institute! What would be the best way for them to anounce themselves?

Rock 'n Roll man.

Didn't Jesus say to someone he would be coming back in their lifetime? Christians have been expecting him to come on a specific date as far back as 1000. They keep pushing the date up. I think he just died like anyone else. The resurrection is a spiritual phenomenon.

did he say in their lifetime, or by the end of their generation?

Well, both have passed.

Well, both have passed.

not in terms of development (creation)...a generation has not passed. think in terms of technology...

not in terms of development (creation)...a generation has not passed. think in terms of technology...

Where is technology referred to in the Bible and , for that matter, evolution ?

Many Christians believe in the possibility of a second coming, but I would like to ask realistically what criteria would a modern day prophet or Christ have to meet before you believed in them? I mean lets face it if it does happen who is gonna believe such a claim in this day and age. What are the chances of them getting sectioned in a mental institute! What would be the best way for them to anounce themselves? Accord to the church in Rome; the second coming was to be 1000AD, shortly after this date, they changed their minds and said it was a misinterpretation of the scriptures and that it would be 2000AD - still waiting!!

Accord to the church in Rome; the second coming was to be 1000AD, shortly after this date, they changed their minds and said it was a misinterpretation of the scriptures and that it would be 2000AD - still waiting!!

I thought the correct date is given in Numerology 2.23. You must remember that it is encoded, otherewise the great unwashed would get to know the correct that. Think of all the looting, pillaging , civil unrest and so on that would ensue.

I can guarantee that it will happen at some time in the future, so just make sure you are ready.

" Gird ye your loins and go forth in righteousness to smite all who reject the Lord's infinite mercy "

Eugenics: 11. 13

I thought the correct date is given in Numerology 2.23. You must remember that it is encoded, otherewise the great unwashed would get to know the correct that. Think of all the looting, pillaging , civil unrest and so on that would ensue.

I can guarantee that it will happen at some time in the future, so just make sure you are ready.

" Gird ye your loins and go forth in righteousness to smite all who reject the Lord's infinite mercy "

Eugenics: 11. 13You guarantee!!!! not a bloody chance of that. What you should say is that, in your opinion, it will happen. You cannot guarantee anything that is not real.

Well, my ex-pastor made a good argument and presented good biblical evidence that the second coming will be anytime from now to 50 years. He got this figure by tracing the lineage and prophecies that supposedly came true, and created a timeline. There was a couple prophecies in play for the conclusion, one was that Isreal would be reestablished as a nation. Then Jesus said the generation that witnesses that event will not pass away before the end comes. The reestablishment of Isreal happened in 1948, so any or all of that generation will still be alive when it all goes down. So, he theorizes that it will be anytime from now until 2048 give or take a few years (that is if we have not discovered the fountain of youth by then)

As far as Jesus's second coming. Revelation details his coming as decending from a cloud and ending the reign of the anti-christ who is at war with all the nations rebelling against him....that would make me believe, but unfortunately, by then it will be too late...only Jews are supposed to be saved on that day because Christian gentiles were supposed to be raptured before that time, as the rest of the population had chosen to be deceived by the anitchrist. Good story, full of intrigue and twists. Would make a great movie....oh, it's been done...like 12 dozen times. lol

You guarantee!!!! not a bloody chance of that. What you should say is that, in your opinion, it will happen. You cannot guarantee anything that is not real.

Don't believe me. Ask asny astronomer or cosmoligist.

" He that argueth and smiteth not shall not find favour with the Lord"

Eugenics 2.17

Well, my ex-pastor made a good argument and presented good biblical evidence that the second coming will be anytime from now to 50 years. He got this figure by tracing the lineage and prophecies that supposedly came true, and created a timeline. There was a couple prophecies in play for the conclusion, one was that Isreal would be reestablished as a nation. Then Jesus said the generation that witnesses that event will not pass away before the end comes. The reestablishment of Isreal happened in 1948, so any or all of that generation will still be alive when it all goes down. So, he theorizes that it will be anytime from now until 2048 give or take a few years (that is if we have not discovered the fountain of youth by then)

As far as Jesus's second coming. Revelation details his coming as decending from a cloud and ending the reign of the anti-christ who is at war with all the nations rebelling against him....that would make me believe, but unfortunately, by then it will be too late...only Jews are supposed to be saved on that day because Christian gentiles were supposed to be raptured before that time, as the rest of the population had chosen to be deceived by the anitchrist. Good story, full of intrigue and twists. Would make a great movie....oh, it's been done...like 12 dozen times. lol


I put my money on Nostradamus.

Nostradamus said Paris would be destroyed by "birds from the east" - in 1999.

Prophets are a dime a dozen. Okay, maybe, like forty bucks an eighth. Point being, give me three and a half grams of good cubensis, and I will tell you what God has to day.


Hey this Psilocybe cubensis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psilocybe_cubensis) is not good, it is fucking awesome. Okay, what in the fuck is this thread about? O yea, "Modern Day Prophet" (copied and pasted). I see (kinda sorta). Well, fuck that Prophet bullshit. It never worked in the past. How could it work in the future? Therefore, since I AM G-D, it is my job to confirm Tiassa's findings. Prophets will NEVER fucking work. They are a dime a dozen (actually a Dime for 5/16ths). So here is what G-D has to day to say.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8a/Pcubmazatapec.jpg

All Lords are Gods (http://www.theyworkforyou.com/peers/) (Not Prophets)

G-D

Hey this Psilocybe cubensis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psilocybe_cubensis) is not good, it is fucking awesome. Okay, what in the fuck is this thread about? O yea, "Modern Day Prophet" (copied and pasted). I see (kinda sorta). Well, fuck that Prophet bullshit. It never worked in the past. How could it work in the future? Therefore, since I AM G-D, it is my job to confirm Tiassa's findings. Prophets will NEVER fucking work. They are a dime a dozen (actually a Dime for 5/16ths). So here is what G-D has to day to say.
G-D

Please say you are not still ranting about this "everyone has a last name God" crap! I've tried to have patience because I don't know if you are serious.


...please...:(

Nostradamus said Paris would be destroyed by "birds from the east" - in 1999.

So you're picking on Nostradames because he made a small error. Ask any Parisian and he'll tell you 1999 was the year of the pigeon shit. The entire city was covered.

Ha ha! Love it! :D

Ha ha! Love it! :D

Remember , you read it here first !

Where is technology referred to in the Bible and , for that matter, evolution ?

creation is development, and evolution is the process, and a generation could be a stage.

LORD jayleew God,

Yea, all Jews, Christians and Muslims know LORD Moses Aaron God's, LORD Jesus Christ God's and LORD Muhammad ibn 'Abd Allah's (God's) last name is God (Allah). Hell, everyone's last name is God (Allah), LORD jayleew God. Yes, quite fucking serious...

First off, if God never existed, no one can be it's child. Second, if God did exist, there is no indication that it procreated. Third, if you believe the Bible, there is no evidence that anyone has the last name "God" Can't recall any last names for that matter. The genealogies recorded in the Bible use only first names.

I thought I saw you try to offer evidence that since Jesus was sometimes referred to in the less-than-perfect English translation, as Lord God. Is that your evidence that we all have "God" as a surname?

Or is your evidence that God was sometimes referred to in the less-than-perfect English translation, as Lord God?

Again, where is your evidence that God procreated among the Earth?

Seriously, "Lord" is used as an adjective to describe God in the phrase "Lord God". Him being both Lord and God. They are capatalized because they are used as titles of recognition, like the President...not like names.

Honestly, you must prove God existed for me to even consider your evidence.

If you have no evidence I have no alternative than to believe you to be trolling.

LORD jayleew God,

The fact is, I, the Creator, do not have to prove a fucking thing to you or to any of the Gods.

You are right, you don't have to prove anything. But, if you don't back your statements with fact, there is little that you can contribute to the conversations. If you choose not to participate, but yet throw explosive words and and nonsense arguments for the sole purpose of irritation, then that is trolling and is not conducive of anything of value and should be moved to the Cesspool thread. People there will be quite happy to entertain you. I ignored your comments at first. I've said my piece, and that is as far as we go. I'll just go back to my non-existent worshipping of my non-existent god that I read about in my mythological books.

The original post confused two concepts.

To be honest, I haven't read all the intervening posts - and judging from the two here from Mr. Denke and jayleew I haven't missed too much relevant information.

A 'prophet' from the Judeo-Christian standpoint is one who speaks the message given to the prophet from God. A prophet is not always - or even commonly - a fortune teller. So any faithful preacher is a prophet in the general sense.

The 'Second Coming' of Jesus the Christ has nothing to do with being a prophet. When Jesus returns, everyone on earth will know about it and it will be undeniable. Sort of like Hurricane Katrina to a then current resident of New Orleans. You don't have to like it, but it's pretty well common knowledge. When Jesus returns, no one will have to ask someone else, "What's all this?"

Until that happens, everyone has the luxury of pretending it won't happen.

LORD jayleew God,

The fact is, I, the Creator The more I find out about human body construction, the universe, history and religion, the more I am convinced that no divine diety had anything at all to do with creation. Its 100% bloody physics

A 'prophet' from the Judeo-Christian standpoint is one who speaks the message given to the prophet from God. A prophet is not always - or even commonly - a fortune teller. So any faithful preacher is a prophet in the general sense.



how can any faithful preacher be classed as a prophet?????
surley a prophet needs to fullfill or announce prophecy, or speak of something prophetic. a faithful preacher is not someone who God has given a message to, he is someone who reads the words of man about god, and no prophet in any sense??

Many Christians believe in the possibility of a second coming, but I would like to ask realistically what criteria would a modern day prophet or Christ have to meet before you believed in them? I mean lets face it if it does happen who is gonna believe such a claim in this day and age. What are the chances of them getting sectioned in a mental institute! What would be the best way for them to anounce themselves?

I'm still waitning for their first one to appear! :shrug:

The original post confused two concepts.

To be honest, I haven't read all the intervening posts - and judging from the two here from Mr. Denke and jayleew I haven't missed too much relevant information.

A 'prophet' from the Judeo-Christian standpoint is one who speaks the message given to the prophet from God. A prophet is not always - or even commonly - a fortune teller. So any faithful preacher is a prophet in the general sense.

The 'Second Coming' of Jesus the Christ has nothing to do with being a prophet. When Jesus returns, everyone on earth will know about it and it will be undeniable. Sort of like Hurricane Katrina to a then current resident of New Orleans. You don't have to like it, but it's pretty well common knowledge. When Jesus returns, no one will have to ask someone else, "What's all this?"

Until that happens, everyone has the luxury of pretending it won't happen.

you know there are some who still won't pay any attention...who will pretend that it's not really happening...that it's not really so. i see it everyday in the people all around me. people believe what they want, not what is obvious. i know it's the only thing keeping them from a relationship with God now, and it will not change for many...ever...no matter what. they are the tares and the ones who will take the mark of the beast and they will get what they choose.

I'm still waitning for their first one to appear! :shrug:

do you think that proving this is beyond the scope of God's capabilities? that doesn't seem rational to me. i think it's that many people don't want to know because it's too consequential, and might just mess up their groove ya know?