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Quite often witnesses to UFO phenomena seem to be unable to account for periods of time. Often several hours are missing and they can't recall it for the life of them.
"During hypnosis" ( go easy on me!..) they recall that during that missing time they interacted with strange beings...we all know the type of accounts I refer to....
Anyone like to put forward their view on this occurance?
Dave: do you remember what you were doing on Sunday between 9:am and 3pm, precisely 11 weeks ago? I doubt it. Heck, I can't even remember what I was doing just a week ago at that time!
We remember things that are really important -- but in-between those important experiences, we all have 'missing time'.
Now granted, an encounter with aliens would probably be important enough to remember. However, it just goes to show you how unreliable our memories are. Additionally, if something happens that is too scary, confusing, or traumatic, it may even be deliberately erased by protective subsystems in the brain.
As for hypnosis -- I take anything that comes out of it with a very big grain of salt (never forgetting to cringe at the taste.) We have no idea what kind of a state a hypnotized brain is in, or what effect hypnosis has on memory or imagination. It could well be that hypnosis is more like a directed dream, where some base memories are extrapolated into a wild fantasy, possibly utilizing some of the other memories -- from watching TV for example -- to augment the dream. The reason I propose this explanation, is because I don't think we've had reports of alien abduction until the middle of this century -- while hypnosis and hypnotic regression are far older than that. This suggests that a lot of the 'memories' people come up with under hypnosis could be a synthesis of imagery and ideas they have picked up from popular culture. Either that, or the 'aliens' began abducting people not even 50 years ago -- which would be strange indeed (unless one entertains the idea that the 'aliens' are actually covert human organizations).
Either way, I'd be *very* skeptical of hypnotic regression as a source of evidence -- scientifically speaking, it has too many uncontrolled variables.
I am; therefore I think.
Is there any known way ( that you may be aware of )to deliberately erase memory - if protective subsystems in the brain don't engage - from an outside source? ( e.g. Drugs, hypnosis,watching Sienfeld repeats etc.)
Yes, there are some who have experienced
missing time...for certain reasons...I
do believe the accounts... ok, I am not
saying everyone who comes forth and tells
their story are not making it up....
I realize that some do this..and makes it
hard for the others who are truthful.
For those who ARE truthful... am sure this
would be a scary thing.
Last night I had a missing time experience. I had however, prior to the experience, consumed ten pints of beer. Do you think I might have been abducted by aliens during this time? If I were to under go hypnosis? Do you think I`ll find out who spent all my money? Wet my bed? and was sick on my porch?
Unlike others you weren't driving along sober and saw a strange craft shining in a field. Then , stopping to take a look you all of a sudden realise you're driving along again and can't recall what happened or where the time went. You didn't consume alcohol before-hand and usually you are skeptical about alien spacecraft etc.
As for your "lad's night out" episode,I'd say if you underwent hypnosis, the session would reveal that you started the night well behaved. Slowly but surely, the more alcohol you consumed the louder and less funny you became until after devouring a large pizza washed down with more booze, you were an obnoxious troublemaker that had stained his pants, lost a fight and finally blew your lunch on your front porch before collapsing in a smelly mess on your bed where you proceeded to lose control of your bladder!
For the sake of your dignity, the Psychologist would choose you not to remember the events after coming out from the session. :)
07-05-99, 01:39 AM
If my memory serves me correct (hic!) the famous abduction case of Barny and Betty Hill (Hampshire, USA) has some revealing items. If you recall, it was only two years after the incident that the Hills decided to do something about the physical marks on their bodies and the nightmares they were having. Both husband and wife were dreaming the same thing but didn't share it until much later, and they hadn't thought about being abducted until they underwent hypnosis. It was at the doctors office that little by little the episode was put together.
We know that hypnosis allows us to disassociate ourselves from the sensations we feel. We also know that the mind can only focus on one thing at a time. If we focus away from a traumatic experience, for example, and onto a pleasant one, the unpleasant experience is "forgotten" or relegated to a part of memory that disconnects from the nervous system that produces sensation; the pleasant experience connects to the nervous system and so our body experiences the pleasantness. It is sort of a switching of priorities that takes place in the cortex of the brain. The neocortex in humans is much larger than in animals and this allows us the ability to reorganize signals and decide to choose some and not others. Hypnotists take advantage of this fact.
But in the case of the above mentioned case, The Hills weren't even aware of the abduction until the hypnosis revealed it.
Perhaps, and this is simple conjecture, assuming extraterrestrial beings did abduct someone, because they are developed enough to travel such long distances, they would have developed some sort of tool with which to zap the memory, as it were, and relegated it into that portion of the cortex that would read the experience as secondary; in other words, they have decided the priority for us! Certainly the brain did register the experience but the "zap" would relegate it to the subconscious (in which case our sleep may be disturbed).
There was a case here in Quebec some years ago where a boy travelling along a country road on his bicycle and going to his girlfriend's place found that his girlfriend was angry when he arrived. The reason is because he arrived about two hours late from the time he said he would arrive! The story goes on to explain how the young man saw a large luminous object descending toward him and he stopped and hopped off his two wheeler. The circular-shaped object was very large and on its underbelly appeared a great luminosity that looked like an opening in which a head or two seemed to be peering down at him. The boy, in recounting this experience, remembered only that he was picking up his bike and continueing his ride to his girlfriend. It was under hypnosis that the details came out.
Assuming what the boy saw was a genuine flying saucer with extraterrestrial humanoids come from some other planet and visiting the earth, perhaps the magnetic field or some such energy emanating from the spacecraft may have had some physiological influence on the brain chemistry affecting the cortex and resulting in a switching of priorities, as explained above.
This is all conjecture, of course.
07-20-99, 08:20 PM
Hear is an interesting one for you. I have experienced a period of missing time that i cannot account for. It happened 2 years ago when I was coming home late at night from work. I was driving along a reasonably bright lit street in my home town and there was no other traffic about. I suddenly became aware of my cars engine sounding queiter than normal and i began to feel a very unaesy feeling. Everything seemed unaturally quiet. This feeling lasted a good 10 minute sand I got quite scared. On reaching home I found that no one was up and after a bit I found out why. The journey home had taken me a full half hour longer than usual. I stilldon't know why a drive that normally takes me 20 minutes could have taken nearly an hour. I did not see anything unusual in the sky on my way home such as a UFO which normally (from what I know) seem to trigger such incidents. Has anybody else experienced this sort of thing? Is this a possible abduction experience or is there a mundane explanation. It was very scary.
I'm probably gonna get mocked or something
after saying this, but
sleeping is like missing time.
You go to sleep, wake up and find
that a few hours have passed.
Plus, you have no idea what's happened
between the time you went to sleep
and the time you woke up.
Oh man, I'm probably gonna get thrashed
after writing a dip-shit post like
There is allot more to Xeno's reply than one might think because in it's simplest form there is no better comparison. In the field of Psychology we like to use the terms altered states of consciousness. Hypnosis can also be said to induce an altered state of consciousness as well as various sleeping patterns and even drug induced altered states of consciousness.
So the question regarding missing time could also be posed this way…Are we aware of an altered state of consciousness that does not permit memories to be readily available to the waking state consciousness. The answer is yes and dreams or sleep are just one of many examples.
There appears to be a link between the UFO abductions, reported trance like states and memory loss. I understand that people can recall events when we alter their state of consciousness but that does not mean that everything recalled under hypnosis is reliable. I have always steered clear of the debate because I think it’s more important to focus on what the waking memories are. Reason is simple. If the memories are being selectively blocked than at some point one must determine what memories should not be blocked. Would it reason then that these unblocked waking memories around or during the incident have been considered by someone or something to be important to the abductee. I think so.
It's not that I'm against exploring missing time but one must be very carefull not to confound the already obscure evidence with data that is inherently unreliable.
If you started home 5 or 10 minutes later than you usually do and you hit every light red and had to stop and you got a little spooked causing you to drive a little slower, we could account for about 20 extra minutes. Perhaps the clock at home was a little fast which could account for at least 5 more minutes. I doubt that anything strange happened. Did you observe any strange marks on your body during the next few days? By the way, if I stay up REALLY late I've noticed that my hearing can be affected. My ears ring slightly which seems to mask normal noise levels.
I think the reason that some abductees remember what happened during an abduction is because of the complexity of the human brain and because of the diversity that exists within humanity. The aliens cannot account and control for all the loose ends.
07-28-99, 04:38 AM
What i am about to say is a true story.
I had a female friend who used to drive to Montreal (a 60 mile route) twice a week. Let's call her Ann. She worked for the Ameri-Indian Affairs branch of our Canadian Federal Government, so she was constanly driving long distances from one Indian reserve to another and then back to the head office in the big city. One evening i asked Ann how long it took her to drive the distance to Montreal from her office in a small city 60 miles away. She answered, "i don't know."
"What?!" i exclaimed, "you drive this distance twice a week and you DON'T KNOW?"
"Yes," she said most casually, "I fall asleep while driving!"
Of course, this was hard to believe.
About two years later, i had to go into Montreal but my car had problems. Ann invited me to drive down with her. Of course, i had forgotten all about what she had told me two years earlier.
In any case, eventually we found ourselves driving to Montreal. In the beginning we chatted a little. After about twenty minutes we fell silent. But soon i started speaking again. She didn't answer. I turned to look at her. Her eyes were closed!! I was going to talk a little louder to her when suddenly i remembered what she had told me years previously. I didn't know what to do. Should i panic? Should i budge her and wake her up? Certainly i was a little scared and apprehensive. I truly didn't know what to do. I sat there talking, calling her name, not knowing what to do at all. But all the while she maintained her hands on that steering wheel and she drove perfectly well. I stayed calm and continued talking but soon fell silent because i was really talking to myself. She slept for a good 15-20 minutes and then suddenly she opened her eyes, looked my way and said, "Gee you're awfully quiet."
What a relief! We arrived at our destination safe and sound.
Later i mused over the entire incident and realized that Ann had been driving this same route for over 5 years or so. Perhaps her reflexes were so accustomed to the route that she didn't have to be awake to drive? Something else took over while she slept. I can't explain this phenomena. But one thing is certain: i will never ever again get in her car to go to Montreal!!
Now, Ann could very well talk about missing time.
[This message has been edited by dumaurier (edited July 28, 1999).]
You've got some nerve, man!
If I was in that car, I'd grab the steering wheel and pull that emergency brake as soon as I realized the driver was sleeping. To sit there for 15-20 min. and hope you don't die -- not my cup of tea...
I am; therefore I think.
Heck, what do you say that Boris didn't?
I used to drive interstate alot and when the other guy took his turn behind the wheel ... even the slightest dopey look in his eyes or nod of the head and I would crack him one behind the ear and yell "Wake up, idiot!".
10 points for bravery Dum??aurier !! :) j/k
I see where your story fits in with what Dan was saying. However, this lady knew she fell asleep, as apposed to not being able to account for loss of time as in Andromeda's account.
As for Kareng, sounds like a woman to me.... everything took longer than it should've, but even with the dawdling (dragging the feet ) Kareng still came up short 15 minutes!! Or spelled out , a full quarter of an hour unaccounted for. Something wierd is definitely going on, but what?
[This message has been edited by Dave (edited July 28, 1999).]
I hope you're not as confused as Dave was by my former post. (I am just as good at talking around people as Dave is.) The 20 minutes that your drive usually takes stands and then you add a 5 or 10 minute late start. Plus 20 minutes for having to stop at all the red lights and tensing up because you were frightened. Plus a clock at home that could be 5 minutes fast. That adds up to 50 minutes.
seems that you have a lot to say , maybe your friend Ann pretended to be asleep hoping you would fall silent, :D
[This message has been edited by god (edited July 30, 1999).]
(For the sake of Kareng)
How many red lights did you hit on the way home? How many lights ARE there?
This would be an easy one to answer because your occurance happened on the way home from work, the journey you make EVERY day....
If your work clock was the reference time when you knocked off...you would have:
a) been disciplined for leaving work early
b) The work clock was correct and you knocked off at the correct time
c) The work clock was slow and they owe you overtime.
Do you normally tense up and get fightened if you get a lot of red lights on the way home from work?
How many clocks do you have at home and how many of them tell the right time? e.g. alarm clock, microwave oven, video, watch, kitchen clock, oven clock....shall I go on....?? what about your car clock??
Hopefully these questions would display that I prefer specifics and that I'm not "talking my way around people". :)
I guess Andromeda doesn't want to discuss the above event anymore or perhaps she is busy. I hope you and her both realize that I am not making light of what she said may have happened. Something may have happened. I personally don't want anything to have happened to her on that night. Sometimes weird events have perfectly natural causes. Just so you and she know how I stand on the abduction topic, I believe it happens. It isn't a laughing matter and a person shouldn't be in a hurry to be a member of "the club." I'm not saying that you or her are in a hurry to believe that a paranormal event took place that night either.
I want to also say that I've noticed and enjoyed a lot of intelligent conversation here and I hope that it continues.
Thanks fer the clarification.
I had no idea Kareng was Karen G....
I actually thought you were perhaps an asian uni student male ( Onehung Lo, Sum yun Guy, Kareng etc)and that's why I made the "sounds like a girl running late - crack" tee! hee! )
Is Andromeda female as well? Geez! I'm thick at times..... :)
No problem. You did irritate me about the women are slow comment mostly because I CAN be slow at times. I am assuming Andromeda is female because in mythology she is. So have you or someone you know experienced missing time?
I have one case that I found very interesting and I think you will too.
I interviewed a person over the years about her experience with missing time.
What made this case so interesting is that she was on her way home from work
one evening and saw a flash of light in the corner of her left eye.She looked to
the left and noticed a flash streak across the sky. As she turned her attention back to the road she noticed a
three car accident on the corner and all of the people were out of their cars looking up towards the flash she had seen
not paying any attention to the accident!!Then as she was traveling further down the road, She saw a very heavy fog for about one mile covering buildings and the road she was on. When she arrived at home she noticed a drive that takes 15 minutes at the most actually took one hour. The fog was unusual since this incident took place in the summer at about 6:30 PM. She did not notice any missing time until she arrive
at home and looked at her clock. She called her husband right before she left
to let him know she was leaving work.
This case is well documented by myself and there were many witnesses to what she
has told me.This women is very level headed and a professional in her community.
A very interesting account indeed! With witnesses to confirm the events it strengthens the account and makes it hard for the debunkers!! Will you be looking further into this? Has any method of extraction been contemplated to find out what happened during the missing time frame?? ( I'd use the term hypnosis but I fear a rebutal from Boris!...understandably so, after his input into that method. )
Ok, let me tell you why I prefer natural explanations in steat of aliens to explain for the so called UFO observations.
First of all it is the easy way out and doesn't really encourage further investigation in how such a phenomenon is possible. For example physicist could have claimed that little demons were responsible for eating half of the neutrino's that came from the sun to explain for their appearent lack.
Second it poses a whole new set of problems of why the aliens are doing the things that they are doing. Are they morons or something or showing of when they hover a little with their craft over some deserted plain making the most impossible manouvers just to proof that they are not mere earthlings. Of course their motives must be as alien as their crafts but that sounds just a little bit too god-works-in-mysterious-ways for me.
Third, I don't like being watched, not by a god or an alien. This watching stuff really sounds just like a divine substitute to me (again) people don't won't to believe in god but they have no problem with aliens trying to control us and watch every move we make.
Fourth, although I thing this universe is big enough to support more then one intelligent species, I still find it to big for them others ever to arrive here or stumble upon us.
Five, aliens are big business in the entertainment sector, this is such a big discrepancy : on one side they want to stay hidden but on the other everyone knows that they are there ! Some don't believe it but there are enough who do so why stay hidden ?
Six, I had a UFO experience myself, not a spectacular one but still unsettling enough. I was perhaps 12 years old and was cycling home at broad daylight, when I spotted a silvery elliptic shaped object high up in the sky. First I thought it was a plane because there are a lot of planes crossing the skies in my hometown but then I noticed it had no wings and there was no kerosine tail after it. My second thought was a UFO, I had been reading a lot about those things, it was also the time of the Revenge of the Jedi and the thought of aliens crusing through Belgian skies really appealed to me. You see this idea just popped to mind because it somehow was waiting there for something to trigger it. Now this is my case, I'm not judging other people because they may have seen really interesting stuff. Interesting in the sense that it might help us better understand the universe.
Ultimately that is what science is all about, searching anomalies to theories in order to make them better.
"If I have been able to see further, it was only because I stood on the shoulders of giants."
Yes I am doing further investigation
into this case. Currently, hypnosis
has not been used however this is something I plan on doing in the future.
I feel hypnosis will be a useful tool
in uncovering some of what happened that evening. As far as debunkers go, they really do not bother me much any more
I guess my work bothers them to much!!