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Originally posted by Scooby Doo
I, for one, do not have any problems with Islamic people whatsoever. I certainly question some of their beliefs, buy I also question things in the Holy Bible as well.

Just my two pennies worth...

I see my 2 by 4 timber rod worked very well.:D

Welcome to the site.:)

True Islam is about beeing tolerant and nice to folks, just
a pity its not that way in real life. Example the Imans in Iraq
told Iraqis to go to holy war against americans, anyone
who didnt werent a real muslim. They are at a state of mind
that the west were centuries ago

Do not forget the carnage that took place in the name of jesus in the crusadors times.

From an extraterestrial aliens perspective the worship of Jesus might as well be the worship of the devil.

But then again... that was medeval times.. The debate of islam is in present time.

BUT the propagandic war is very similar today as it was then. People were told to believe that muslims were the devils. They were told the muslims was not even human and did not have a soul. Therefor could be killed as animals.

In fact they did fry human babies on open fire and had them for supper and what kind of human behaivor is that?

Ofcource, as the modern intelegent man of today knows, this was not true.

Then.. in the late 1600 the lowlife of christian worshippers desided to decapitade several hundred (just in Sweden!) innocent women because they indeed were the servant of the devil himself in the hunt for witches.

When you judge other distant people based on their religion, be a modern intelegent man.

Originally posted by Robban
Do not forget the carnage that took place in the name of jesus in the crusadors times.

From an extraterestrial aliens perspective the worship of Jesus might as well be the worship of the devil.

But then again... that was medeval times.. The debate of islam is in present time.

BUT the propagandic war is very similar today as it was then. People were told to believe that muslims were the devils. They were told the muslims was not even human and did not have a soul. Therefor could be killed as animals.

In fact they did fry human babies on open fire and had them for supper and what kind of human behaivor is that?

Ofcource, as the modern intelegent man of today knows, this was not true.

Then.. in the late 1600 the lowlife of christian worshippers desided to decapitade several hundred (just in Sweden!) innocent women because they indeed were the servant of the devil himself in the hunt for witches.

When you judge other distant people based on their religion, be a modern intelegent man.


Like ive stated, they are at a state of mind we were centuries ago. I didnt need you to tell me what christians did centuries ago, i know my history. If you want to give proper examples you should referr to the heretic percecution in france, or the spanish
inquisitions.One more thing, the wimen you referr to werent decapitated.....they were burnt or strangeled.

Iam a modern man, i base my opinions from what Islam represents today. Why does 99% of all terrorism come from Islamic groups? Poverty? Pffft! There are plenty of poor Christian,Budhist countries and they dont blow up bombs.
Its a religion went wrong.

Islam oppresses women... Yeah I've thought this for a while. To be quite honest I was even taught it, and it seems to be quite widespread Western propaganda: women cover thei bodies because they are oppressed, and they are less than men. Women cover their bodies because it is wrong to abuse sex, and abuses of sex come from lust! Thus women cover their skin, as well as because of the climate.

I think it's fucking disgusting that children of other countries are lied to to justify their countries position, especially when the lies are probably there because the custom wasn't even understood!

In sweden the women was decapitated and then burned. How is was in the rest of europe I do not know.

_One_ case in Stockholm describes a woman being burned alive but thats because she insisted in being this. Talk of pride there!

She was Malin Matsdotter and the year was 1676. All well documented in the wellknown swedish burocracy.

Originally posted by Judas
Like ive stated, they are at a state of mind we were centuries ago.

Oh really, it seems to me that you are in the same state of mind, just that the westerns have grown from a little donkey to established mules now.

You can't claim that the west were misguided then all of a sudden was set on the straight path...that's rediculous. The west have pretty disgusting basis and roots that they have used to build what they have today on and a sky scrapper of rotten timber foundations doesn't fool an intelligent mind.....I'd rather be in a tent erected a couple of feet off the gound exposed to the elements that be temporarily protected in your skyscrapper of shaky foundation, for me it's much safer.

Its rather pointless to make some kind of clash of civilizations... actually it plain foolish!

The west has nothing in history to be proud of. What the west has is a technological enlightenment. But knowledge without wisdom is a dangerous thing.

On the other hand.. the arabian world is a strange place to me. I must say it looks like there is a higher tendency to solve problems with violence.. but it looks like that has more to do with the longitude than civilization (?)

In sweden, norway, finland, denmark, canada there are very few wars. USA, central europe, russia, china, mongolia japan is a bit more. Middle america, southern europe, nothern sahara, middle east, india, east-asia even more... South america, central africa a lot of violence.. then chile, argentina, south africa, australia less wars again...

Is it something with the heat?

Erh.. the theory is not very proven :)

Originally posted by Robban
Is it something with the heat?

Erh.. the theory is not very proven :)

Robban, quit making theories because your functions are all indeterminante yucky situations that will not be solved by a Robban.

Developement and civilizations go through a growth similar to everything else we see. You start barren, then you build new things, then you expand, then you maintain what you have, then you are basically done developing unless you demolish the old and build new things. Arabia, specifically Egypt, Iraq, Persia, are countries that have experienced a huge eleqouent productive history and development, and the people who are the same people of the past with much potential and intelligence are caught in the dilemma of the past. If you have ever spoken with an Egyptian poor boy born in the street, you'll detect much wisdom, passion, and inteligence that I find no where else. For the arabs to move forward and develop, they must destroy the past to build new instead, but how hard is it to abolish your grandfather tomb and the place of worship of your parents to build a science lab or to build a night club instead...It's very hard and the problem appears to be an emotional one, where peole don't want to let go of their history and to preserve it as much as possible that it's preventing them from moving forward.

America is currently going through something similar, but it will not be a while until they reach the state which the arab is in. And yes, it's not that the arab are like the crusaders, but more like the west will be like the arabs you see now, only 500 years from now.....

I work with the development industry, and there are more and more regulations now regarding preserving historic sites that are preventing new development. For example, an old church site will remain as such for generations to come as an obstacle to other development. An old antique bridge can not be touched no longer to accomodate the demanding traffic, ect, ect....Europe and specifically northern europe have a very unappealing climate that happened to keep immigration and population to a minimum, so growth in these areas is more stable and saturation has not been quite a problem.

The east is finished building and is currently living on ruins, while the west is building full speed on new barren grounds...One day the west will just catch up to the east, and the technological enlightement that you speak off will take the west to the east position just much faster.

Sorry to disapoint you flores, but i will never stop making theories so dont waste time trying to convince me there.

It sounds like you think its a bad thing to preserve antique buildings. Am I right?

You say the developement of a civilization stops completely a the moment it has filled each space with a building. Do I understand you correct?

You also say that the civilization of the arabs would be able to take its next leap the moment they deside do build nightclubs and sciencelabs?

Are you sure the next logical and wise step for a civilization like the arabic is to walk in the footsteps of west?

Originally posted by Robban
Sorry to disapoint you flores, but i will never stop making theories so dont waste time trying to convince me there.

You are welcome to making theories, don't expect them to work though.

Originally posted by Robban
It sounds like you think its a bad thing to preserve antique buildings. Am I right?

I'm talking in metaphors and here are you completely misunderstanding me on purpose. I take it that you don't know how to dance Tango, Salsa, Meringue, ect. Discussions on the internet are like a dance, and I'm a female, so get your two left feet straight and lead subtely.

Originally posted by Robban
You say the developement of a civilization stops completely a the moment it has filled each space with a building. Do I understand you correct?

Yes absolutely correct, why do you think that the republicans are avid believers that wars improve economy. Why the hell did America spend billions destroying rocks and cheap tents in Afganistan and Iraq? To rid the world of terrorism? of course not....What good is our weapons if we don't use them...it's an economic failure not to use a product and weapons are included. Why did world war II get us out of depression? and what caused the depression to start with.....saturation perhaps?

Originally posted by Robban
You also say that the civilization of the arabs would be able to take its next leap the moment they deside do build nightclubs and sciencelabs?

The civilization of the arabs would take a leap upon a total memory loss leading to forgetting their ruins that includes ruin buildings and ideas inorder to develop new ones. We are currently saturated with old information, no room to make new stuff. Ever try to read Egypt's second grade history curriculum.....Lucky you, I counted at least half a million historic dates to remember. An arabic second grader who knows the Quran by heard and knows the history and the dates by heart have absolutely no remaining brain power to develop anything or even to understand new things......Just take a look at Afganistan kids nodding in rythmic motion as they memorize more text. Their brain is so optimized that only rythmic moving forward and backward would allow for concentration.

Originally posted by Robban
Are you sure the next logical and wise step for a civilization like the arabic is to walk in the footsteps of west?

You didn't get a word I was saying, didn't I just demonstrate to you that the west are the ones moving in the footsteps of the east and not vice versa. The future footsteps of the east are so unknown and nothing that anybody before them have done. The east are known as ground rule setters and not vice versa.

Originally posted by Robban
In sweden the women was decapitated and then burned. How is was in the rest of europe I do not know.

_One_ case in Stockholm describes a woman being burned alive but thats because she insisted in being this. Talk of pride there!

She was Malin Matsdotter and the year was 1676. All well documented in the wellknown swedish burocracy.


I know all about your history......i live in the country west of you:D

>You are welcome to making theories, don't expect them to work though.

Nope. I dont. Thats the general idea of a theory. When it works we can call it a fact or something like that. Wild and sometimes plain stupid theories are often the groundwork for good ideas that eventually leads to something well thought.


>internet are like a dance, and I'm a female

Why dont you tell a bit about yourself. It would be interesting.


>Yes absolutely correct,

Interesting idéa. I have never thought of it that the arabic community are ahead of the west in "developement". I get your point and will brainprocess it for a while.


>The civilization of the arabs would take a leap upon a total memory loss leading to forgetting their ruins that includes ruin buildings and ideas inorder to develop new ones.

That would be a pity. If you (as I now assume) live (have lived) in an arabic country maybe you are what we in Sweden call "home-blind" meaning you dont realize the value of your home just because you live in it. The ancient ruins is a memory of our history that must not be forgotten. Especially the very very old ruins in former mesopotamia.

But is ruins really such a brake in the development? I see how you think but it sounds a bit exagerated.

>I counted at least half a million historic dates to remember. An

That is something to work on. Enlightment comes from understanding connections. If you are not trained by teachers to see this the teacher is not doing a very good job.

>You didn't get a word I was saying, didn't I just demonstrate to you that the west are the ones moving in the footsteps of the east and not vice versa.

But what happened? In the year 1400 something the arabic world was an advanced world in both filosophy, science, art etc. Then it slowed down. That cant possibly be because they had used up all avaiable space. There must be something else.

Dont you think religion has anything to do with this? The whole medival period was a complete stop in science and filosophy-developement (in west) and I blame the church completely for this. Then the western world got secularized and the development could continue again.

At some point in a civilization the religion is very important. To lift a stoneage-tribe into the next step I think you need religion of some sort. This makes people think about filosophy. Then there is a time when religion represses. The west has come to a point now when we are so secularized that we have forgotten real values like taking care of the planet, each other etc. Now its time for religion to work again, but you cant use 1500-ideas now. I guess thats why we see you much of "new age" now. There is a need for it. Do you see any "new age" in the arab world?

Originally posted by Robban
[B I guess thats why we see you much of "new age" now. There is a need for it. Do you see any "new age" in the arab world? [/B]

The new age you speak of might be just the end of our world, judgement of god's creations, and eternal life. I don't take life for granted to the point of relying on a new age to snatch me out of a miserable age. The arabs don't await any age, they live their life the best they can in an era where they're economically inferior, until we are alike gathered like moth infront of god to give account.

the arab world.....ahead of the west?


that must be the over statment of the decade.

yeah well.. I am not running that statement.

Originally posted by Judas
the arab world.....ahead of the west?


that must be the over statment of the decade.

In a sinosoidal or cosine wave, which are functions used to describe most phenomenas, the troughs are ahead of the peaks, why can't the arab's trough be ahead of the west peak?

Humanity started in the east, so the east by default is ahead of the west.

Its a matter of speed I would say.

In what country do you live?

Originally posted by Robban
Its a matter of speed I would say.

In what country do you live?

I live in that country that is heading with speed toward the trough, the United States of America. I'm born in the US of Egyptian Father, half English, half Turkish mother, and married to a hispanic.

Originally posted by Flores
In a sinosoidal or cosine wave, which are functions used to describe most phenomenas, the troughs are ahead of the peaks, why can't the arab's trough be ahead of the west peak?

Humanity started in the east, so the east by default is ahead of the west.


Well......the fact that the western world is the culture that
are the most advanced both in technology and economics
kinda prooves the east dropped out of the race somewhat
600-1000 years ago (in my opinion)

Examples of western rethinking/inventions

The clock
Cars
Air crafts
Space crafts
Telephone
Internet
Computer
Modern weapons
Modern Textile`s
Modern western philosofy
Satelite technology
Solar power

the list goes on and on, and when i think about eastern
rethinking all i can think of is stuff like early building techniques
and stuff like that. No offence, i dont look down opun eastern
culture. The way i see it,"it" has the same potensial as any
"culture", but its beein held back by religion. Take banking loans
for instance. Isnt it true that according to the muslim belief that
a bank cannot charge people with intrests?

Originally posted by Mucker
Yeah I've thought this for a while. To be quite honest I was even taught it, and it seems to be quite widespread Western propaganda: women cover thei bodies because they are oppressed, and they are less than men. Women cover their bodies because it is wrong to abuse sex, and abuses of sex come from lust! Thus women cover their skin, as well as because of the climate.

I think it's fucking disgusting that children of other countries are lied to to justify their countries position, especially when the lies are probably there because the custom wasn't even understood!

The problem is this lies and propaganda are fed by main stream western media.....!!

they dont tell them for example that UNTIL NOW(2003) America never had a woman as its president, while NOW (2003) Indonesia, the largest muslim country in the world has a MUSLIM WOMAN as its president !!! isnt that amazing ??

in 1991, when Benazir butu (muslim pakistani woman ) was the PRIME MINISTER OF PAKISTAN, one of the typically ignorant CNN anchors claimed so pathetically that muslim women have no right to vote in the muslim world !!!!

IGNORANCE KNOWS NO LIMITS.

Originally posted by Robban
In sweden the women was decapitated and then burned. How is was in the rest of europe I do not know.

_One_ case in Stockholm describes a woman being burned alive but thats because she insisted in being this. Talk of pride there!

She was Malin Matsdotter and the year was 1676. All well documented in the wellknown swedish burocracy.

JA , TACK.

Indeed my friend, at that time, muslim women were running the affairs of the ottoman empire behind the seens.

USA... the land where most conspiracy-theories usually turns out to be true... When USA say something, you'd better put it into context, and figure out what it means.

Whattabout this power-failure? Was is really an accident? Or was is an attack? We will never know. Considered the context it would not be wise to admit the vulnerability to the american people.

bah, the power failure was because of the pre-historic
el-system they got. Starting to think otherwise is wishfull
thinking and dumb.

Originally posted by Judas
bah, the power failure was because of the pre-historic
el-system they got. Starting to think otherwise is wishfull
thinking and dumb.

Indeed, it is really disgusting to see some idiots start poiniting the fingers on us (muslims ) STRAIGHT AWAY.....I am really sick and tired from making muslims always the scapegoat.

Dont always assume its muslims behind an attack just because the target is usa.

Originally posted by Proud_Syrian
The problem is this lies and propaganda are fed by main stream western media.....!!

they dont tell them for example that UNTIL NOW(2003) America never had a woman as its president, while NOW (2003) Indonesia, the largest muslim country in the world has a MUSLIM WOMAN as its president !!! isnt that amazing ??

in 1991, when Benazir butu (muslim pakistani woman ) was the PRIME MINISTER OF PAKISTAN, one of the typically ignorant CNN anchors claimed so pathetically that muslim women have no right to vote in the muslim world !!!!

IGNORANCE KNOWS NO LIMITS.

If you travel to a muslim country, you will discover there are a HUGE
difference between a city and a village. What about the story
that spread world wide about 5 months ago? There were a 14
year old girl in Punjab Pakistan who read the Koran to people.
She once read the Koran to a young boy, and the tribe elders decided this were immoral and sentenced her to gang rape.
Muslims are the prime example of the duality of man. They
accuse the west of double standards but they are the false ones.
What has the arab-league ever accomplished? All they do is
fight amungst their selves, and agree on that they all hate
The Us, and Israel.If it hadnt been for the Us Israel would been
destroyed a long time ago.And the occupied terrotory?
Thats land that Israel conquered after defeating the country`s
that attacked em back in the 60`s. The way i see it, the arabs
can blame themseves for their stupidety. They claim western people supress them, and look down opun em. The real supressors are arabs. My neighbor are from Pakistan, they had to
flee, because they were Christians. They couldnt get jobs because
the people in their neighbourhood thought of them as "unclean".
Lesser worth. His sister were also thrown stones at when she walked to school.His family tried to complain to the local police, but they didnt bother to help.Arabs are some of the most agressive people on this planet. Why do you think terrorism is so wide spread in the middle east? Poverty? Look at South America,
people got less money there than in the middle east. The middle east has also some of the richest countries in the world. And yet,
its mostly western countries that gives most of the aid to the Palestinians.The arab comunity are more occupied with telling the world how greeat they are, that they fail to see the errors of their
ways.

Originally posted by Robban
Dont always assume its muslims behind an attack just because the target is usa.

The rest of the world is sivilized enough to know that just cause you disagree with something does not nessearly give you the rigth to blow it up.
Muslims on the other hand...

Originally posted by Ren
The rest of the world is sivilized enough to know that just cause you disagree with something does not nessearly give you the rigth to blow it up.
Muslims on the other hand...

Have you never heard of Timothy McVeigh or Ted Kresynski, or the Symbionese Liberation Army? Let's not forget the KKK who bombed Black schools and churches in the 50s and 60s. I lived in the South as a child and I saw first hand what the white man did to the Blacks. Didn't you watch your TV as the FBI bombed the Waco compound of David Koresh and killed all those innocent children? There are plenty of white folk who have done their share of bombing their homeland. Look what the US Government did to the Native Americans. Need I say more? Making an assumption that only Muslims blow things up is disgusting stereotyping. Most Muslims are peace-loving people. They have their radicals, too. The Qur'an has more truths in it than the Bible. I'm not Muslim, but I have a great deal of respect for them. Have any of you ever compared the compassion toward his/her patients that an American doctor has? You would be shocked or stunned to make this comparison. Muslim doctors have real compassion and respect for their patients, something sorely lacking in American medical school curricula. I've taught both American and Muslim medical students. Muslim students make better grades and try harder than spoiled American kids who think they're getting into medicine for the money--big joke. Muslim students get into medicine because they really care about people and have compassion for them.

To set things clear once and for all.

WEST IS NOT EQUAL TO USA !

What the society of USA does is not very typical for the western world.

Originally posted by Medicine*Woman
Have you never heard of Timothy McVeigh or Ted Kresynski, or the Symbionese Liberation Army? Let's not forget the KKK who bombed Black schools and churches in the 50s and 60s. I lived in the South as a child and I saw first hand what the white man did to the Blacks. Didn't you watch your TV as the FBI bombed the Waco compound of David Koresh and killed all those innocent children? There are plenty of white folk who have done their share of bombing their homeland. Look what the US Government did to the Native Americans. Need I say more? Making an assumption that only Muslims blow things up is disgusting stereotyping. Most Muslims are peace-loving people. They have their radicals, too. The Qur'an has more truths in it than the Bible. I'm not Muslim, but I have a great deal of respect for them. Have any of you ever compared the compassion toward his/her patients that an American doctor has? You would be shocked or stunned to make this comparison. Muslim doctors have real compassion and respect for their patients, something sorely lacking in American medical school curricula. I've taught both American and Muslim medical students. Muslim students make better grades and try harder than spoiled American kids who think they're getting into medicine for the money--big joke. Muslim students get into medicine because they really care about people and have compassion for them.

The millitias/groupings you mention are small isolated political
groupings. Theese grouings are also social outcasts and does
not represent the majority of the population. While with muslims
its the other way around.Right aftre 9-11 people all over the arab
world were dancing and selebrating in joy.Even mimen and
childeren were waving the palestine flag and singing.There were
alos plenty of people burning the american, and the Israeli flag.

What does that tell you?Did you see people in the west burning Iraqi flags during the Gulf wars? No, people protested.
All over the western world.Because her we can say whatever we
want without beeing arrested. Unless you syy outloud that you
want to commit a serious criminal act. Then you probably would.
In my coutry muslims, were protesting against Afghanistan.
There were muslim wimen there too.There were a group of muslim
females that were interviued by a television station. While they
were expressioning their opinions a group of muslim men approached and told them to shut up and go home. This was
the start of a looooong debate here. Questioning females muslims
rights.After 30 years of heavy imigration here, most western people here has learned to memorise the duality if Islam.
Many of our supicions about muslims might be slightly exagerated.
But muslims doesnt do much to prove us wrong.
They arrange riots all over Europe, claiming their dont get treated
good enough.Are they better of in their homelands?

>While with muslims´its the other way around.Right aftre 9-11 people all over the arab world were dancing and selebrating in joy.Even mimen and childeren were waving the palestine flag and singing.There were alos plenty of people burning the american, and the Israeli flag.



Pleeeease. Are you really that stupid? Dont you ever question what you see on CNN ?

What do you think the american journalists will film? Have you ever seen the movie "wag the dog"? You think its a comedy?

When bagdad fell we all saw the images of the statue of hussein, then the tank was pulling it loose. Didnt we see all the celebrating masses that was happy and dancing when statue fell?
We saw it! Didnt we?! So 1000ths of people was celebrating...


Well... propaganda again.. as usual...

Some weeks later we (at least in Sweden) did see the same scene shot by another journalist, swedish I guess. On this image we can se the same statue falling so its the same scene. The only difference is that it is zoomed out.

Now we see a completely empty place. Where are all the 1000th of celebrating people? Well there are people present, about 10 - 20 maybe and they are very close to the statue. If you zoom in you cant see the whole picture and the image tells its propaganda-message of the infinite justice.

Originally posted by Robban
>While with muslims´its the other way around.Right aftre 9-11 people all over the arab world were dancing and selebrating in joy.Even mimen and childeren were waving the palestine flag and singing.There were alos plenty of people burning the american, and the Israeli flag.



Pleeeease. Are you really that stupid? Dont you ever question what you see on CNN ?

What do you think the american journalists will film? Have you ever seen the movie "wag the dog"? You think its a comedy?

When bagdad fell we all saw the images of the statue of hussein, then the tank was pulling it loose. Didnt we see all the celebrating masses that was happy and dancing when statue fell?
We saw it! Didnt we?! So 1000ths of people was celebrating...


Well... propaganda again.. as usual...

Some weeks later we (at least in Sweden) did see the same scene shot by another journalist, swedish I guess. On this image we can se the same statue falling so its the same scene. The only difference is that it is zoomed out.

Now we see a completely empty place. Where are all the 1000th of celebrating people? Well there are people present, about 10 - 20 maybe and they are very close to the statue. If you zoom in you cant see the whole picture and the image tells its propaganda-message of the infinite justice.

My primary source of news is BBC. Its been claimed the most
Objective news spreader for several years in a row now.
I think the international crew in BBC will film exactly
What happens. They have proven that time after time.
I shall really enjoy shattering your tabloid-based opinions,
Piece by piece. You in Sweden must be the only ones in the world that has in someway managed to get a hold of these "secret revelations" regarding the propaganda plot by the evil Bush administration. Is it because of Swedish intelligence?
Since Swedes isn’t known for their intelligence, we shall let that
Rest. Why would you refuse to realise that when a dictator that has committed genocide for 30 years fall, people will actually
Be happy about it? The people in Iraq today aren’t celebrating.
They are desperately trying to make a better world for themselves.
But since there is a gigantic power Vacuum all sorts a groupings
Are doing their best to confuse and create instability.
You should never base your opinions from what happens in your
Own backyard...you just present a narrow view of the world in
General.

"secret revelations"

There is no secrets. Just news.

"will film exactly what happens"

Im sure they do. How you interpret "exactly what happens" is a matter of context. I think you know that.

"Why would you refuse to realise that when a dictator that has committed genocide for 30 years fall"

Thats not the issue. Ofcource people will be happy get rid of a dictator of that calibre.

If you say US does NOT bend the truth to fit their needs, maybe you should look again.

Btw.. what happened to the hard evidences of weapons of mass destruction?

werent there someone from "your country" that had discovered
something? Besides, hiding something in a that big country isnt a big deal. Ohhh well......gues we will be forced to settle with mass
graves for the moment.


Usa yes, but i dont watch Cnn, cant you read?

>werent there someone from "your country" that had discovered
something?

hehe.. you dont have to "discover" a world public event as the fall of bagdad. You can just sit on your ass watching the different reports and read the different mags.

Time after time, cricital media, even us-media digs in whats underneath the stories we are told.


Another q:
Who is believed to be the mastermind behind 911?

A) Usama Bin Ladin
B) Saddam Hussein
C) Mickey Mouse

Originally posted by Robban

Another q:
Who is believed to be the mastermind behind 911?

A) Usama Bin Ladin
B) Saddam Hussein
C) Mickey Mouse

well since Osama Bin Laden has admitted he was the one staging it, that pretty much aswers your question.

Yep. Still I have seen several articles and serveys from us where the average person believed it was Hussein. And it seemed to fit quite nice to have the general public believe it was Hussein, when trying to get the public opinion to aprove a war on iraq.

(Im not saying it was wrong to kick some hussein-butts)

Originally posted by Robban
Yep. Still I have seen several articles and serveys from us where the average person believed it was Hussein. And it seemed to fit quite nice to have the general public believe it was Hussein, when trying to get the public opinion to aprove a war on iraq.

(Im not saying it was wrong to kick some hussein-butts)

Presents theese articles you say u have seen!
No one, not even president Bush has said it was Saddam.
They said he had wepons of mass destruction, and that it could
fall into the hand of terrorists. You proove over and over again that you dont pay much attention to international events.

Settle down...

Ofcource not even Bush would say such a lie strait out. Still people assumed it.

Even you must admin that a large bunch of people in the states are not as educated and enlightened as you are.

Btw.. where are those weapons of mass desctuction?

Originally posted by Robban
Settle down...

Ofcource not even Bush would say such a lie strait out. Still people assumed it.

Even you must admin that a large bunch of people in the states are not as educated and enlightened as you are.

Btw.. where are those weapons of mass desctuction?

Im not more enlightened that other people, but i base my opinions from facts. I think the only one that asumes its saddam
are you.Im sure they will eventualy find something....and if they
dont i really dont care.

Lets stop this dialogue here. Its leading nowhere.

Do remember this when you read the news in the future. You might notice some of the things I talk about. Do read some non-us media as well. Thats pretty easy now in the days of the Internet.

I take notice that you dont care whether they find any weapons.

Originally posted by Robban
Lets stop this dialogue here. Its leading nowhere.

Do remember this when you read the news in the future. You might notice some of the things I talk about. Do read some non-us media as well. Thats pretty easy now in the days of the Internet.

I take notice that you dont care whether they find any weapons.

Is there something wrong with your eyes? Ive stated sevral
times that i dont watch Cnn, nor do i read Us news papers.
How old are you? You seam unable to actually listen and
digest information provided to you.

Jeeee... what more to add? Why not watch some cnn?

Simple. It doesnt satesfy my needs