This is a theory of mine (well, it's more a general theory than a scientific one, but it's compatible with logic and available science that I know of).

I believe everything has a meaning, this is not proven for or against by science so I take the freedom of introducing it to my idea.

That something has meaning is basically to say that it exists for a reason and not only because of random coincidences. Sure there are particles that seems to be totally meaningless but these particles may have a meaning that we just haven't found yet, I would hate to see someone give up the idea of meaning just because of that.

So do random and everything that random generates have meaning? Yes, I believe so, and I believe that random's meaning is spoken in all languages and that each of us hear our own language through random. Cause the individual must have it's own "code"/language since the paths in the brain is unique to each one, then that language is translated into thoughts and so on, but there has to be some kind of code-language in the brain that has a meaning in itself somehow. A universal code if you want, somehow this code has to be interpreted into the sensation that we experiance, I guess that has to be accomplished using a code as well (a kind of key-code). But where in all of this does the sensation arrive? When the key-code and the lock-code arrive together? Why would that trigger a sensation? And where is that sensation? It seems to have no room, but somehow is a part of the observer, or part of the interpretation itself.

Ok, so now we can move along to my theory..

Let's say that the universe is ten centimetres long.

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something like this depending on your screen.

This has all meaning in existance, each part is aware of the complete meaningfullness of it's existance and like it ALOT.

Since the universe is so big in comparence to it's parts, there seem to be no meaning for a outside observer, since (as with most things) meaning can only be observed when you are a part of it, and/or understand it. (and since this meaning isn't easily seen, since it is so spread out, you'd better be a part of it), you can visualize it as a seemingly meaningless stream of colours all mixed up and forming no obvious patterns.

Now we take away 1 centimetre so that it isn't a part of the meaning anymore.

one centimetre taken away.
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universe, now nine centimetres.

Now, the universe has to compensate for the loss of it's part since it wants to have complete meaning again, this is done pretty simply, just adjusting a few parametres and it's ok again, the outside observer will not notice any difference since, again, the universe is so big and thus the compensation wasn't that profound. However the piece that is taken away will try to go back to it's meaningful existance and adjust itself as close to it's original meaning as possible, remembering the feeling of this existance it starts to form patterns, trying to imitate the universe and it's meaning. This is also for a reason, and that reason is that when it has imitated as close as possible to it's original meaning, it will again be a part of the universe so that it can be complete.

This, I believe, is the real meaning of life, to become what we once were, and to join with the total meaning once again. I think the brain is self-organizing. I also believe that all systems which are self-organizing is that because of this purpose.

The ways of achieving this meaning may be different for everyone (since everyone is a unique part of the total meaning), so the meaning of the individual life may vary, but I strongly believe that the meaning of life in general is to find the meaning of everything and become a part of it and thus live forever.

Also, the smaller the piece, the simpler the pattern that the piece will organize itself to (since it has less "space" to do it on) and more true to the original principle it becomes. Since I believe that the universe (the real one, not the ten centimetre one) is neverending and infinite I believe that the purpose must be very, very simple (we might actually have to find the first cause, or find a complex principle that becomes simpler and simpler by it's own law and thus leads to the first cause).

It would be nice to hear any thoughts about my theory.

When evaluation a radical new theory there are two questions that you always want to ask:

1. What does this theory explain that previous theories failed to explain?
2. What evidence supports the theory?

Also, you're going to need to clearly define 'meaning.' What is an example of a concept that is not meaningful?

When evaluation a radical new theory there are two questions that you always want to ask:

1. What does this theory explain that previous theories failed to explain?
2. What evidence supports the theory?

1: Why systems tends to organize themselves (SOS) without influence from outside the system (the last part may not be completly necessary though), also a "could be"-explanation on how the brain works. The theory is also used as a indication that meaning has a reality beyond the idea.

2: That systems organize themselves into meaningful patterns. Both in small systems as atoms and big systems like the universe where planets are round etc. it shows that the principle that forms everything has some kind of harmony and meaning. Sure planets are round because of gravity, but I think gravity is merely one of the tools to achieve meaning.

A curious fact is that everything that has a self-organizing effect on something is unseen (like gravity (even if there is a gravity-particle, it would only carry the force which in turn is unseen)).

Here are some info on self-organizing systems:
SOS - Self-Organizing Systems (http://www.calresco.org/sos/sosfaq.htm)

Also, you're going to need to clearly define 'meaning.' What is an example of a concept that is not meaningful?I answered both in my theory but I can do it again:

What has meaning is something that is needed for something (that exists for a reason/purpose).

There are particles that seem to have no meaning, but I think these will turn out to have meaning after all.

I liked it Cyperium and for what it's worth will give it some thought.

I once held the view that if one single particle of energy was removed from this "meaning" the entire universe would fail.

It's a bit like turning a particle in to a absolute singularity, the universe would vanish and return to the nothingness that it was to start with.

These days I am not so confident with this idea.

Your theory shows great imagination.

I still need some clarity on the meaning front. Like God created everything with an idea of a final purpose, and everything is part of that plan, so it has a meaning?

Or in the simpler sense that everything that is has a purpose and meaning simply because it is the result of what was, and the creator of what will be? It has 'meaning' because the universe would be different without it, and is therefore integral to the universe as we know it?

I agree with the meaning thing. Of course everything has a meaning or else it wouldn't exist, but at the sametime does this meaning have any use to the universe in general? U say the meaning in life is to have knowledge of the meaning of everything in the universe and live forever? Now i believe there is huge flaw here but i have trouble putting it into words. You say everything has meaning to it and if that meaning was taken away then the universe would have to readjust itself to compesate for that loss. If someone finds a meaning to everything, including their own meaning, accept it then they will live forever. But what about death? according to your own theory everything has a meaning this must inlcude death, fatal diseases/illnesses, epidemics, gunshot wounds, drowning, and all the other infinite possiblities of dying. If this is true then to know the meaning of death would be to accept it, thus you can never really live forever for you can never know the meaning of everything.

But...BUT once we die i believe we will learn the meaning of death. Thus, then we can truly achieve everlasting life after we die. I believe this molds into the theory of salvation and by learning the meaning of everything once we die will allow us to have everlasting life in heaven or whatever u want to call it.

Ha. What if hell is actually trying to understand the meaning of everything? The once we do learn this only then can we truly be happy once we die, which would be our heaven. :bugeye:

Thank you for your replies, I'll try to answer each one in this post, but it may become rather long so bear with me, it isn't a easy subject.

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Quantum Quack:I liked it Cyperium and for what it's worth will give it some thought.

I once held the view that if one single particle of energy was removed from this "meaning" the entire universe would fail.

It's a bit like turning a particle in to a absolute singularity, the universe would vanish and return to the nothingness that it was to start with.

These days I am not so confident with this idea.

Your theory shows great imagination.I know what you mean, I've thought about it too, that everything depends on everything else, but nowadays I think that the universe has ways to compensate for any loss.

Thank you for your compliments.


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river-wind:I still need some clarity on the meaning front. Like God created everything with an idea of a final purpose, and everything is part of that plan, so it has a meaning?

Or in the simpler sense that everything that is has a purpose and meaning simply because it is the result of what was, and the creator of what will be? It has 'meaning' because the universe would be different without it, and is therefore integral to the universe as we know it?It's more like the first you suggested, that it's the part of the "big plan". The universe is allways along the lines of the big plan, since where it is, is exactly where it has to be and it does exactly what it has to do.

It doesn't matter what you do, in some way you will allways be a part of the meaning (more or less). We are aware of ourselves, this is one part of the meaning, that we should be aware. Everything would be meaningless unless there were self-awareness in the universe (if it wasn't to create self-awareness).

So who would like to live forever feeling meaningless? Meaning thus has a meaning in itself. There can be no end to truth, there must allways be something new, and I think that the universe is allways complete, but that it can be created new truths which are totally unlike everything else (people with near-death experiances have reported seeing colours that doesn't exist in reality).

One part of the meaning is also to be complete, that evil and darkness will never take over. Maybe that 'nothing' must never be allowed to win. Nothing is meaningless. Cause everything that could have meaning, will be (or are being) a part in universe and each meaning have it's time, place and it's purpouse.

I believe that there is a "tower" of existance, where everything exists more or less, and the higher you are on that tower, the more you exist (or maybe, more aware that you exist) and the more meaning do you have, but also more responsibility.

I believe that if the mind is created within the brain using physical patterns (etc.) then it can be created in such a way that it no longer needs the brain, that it (just like everything else) starts to have a existance of it's own and thus will 'survive' death.
This is what I believe the bible means when it say we should build our temple, I don't think it means a temple of physical structure, but a temple of mental structure that is true in itself (the universe must allow something to exist that is true in itself).
It also say that Jesus must be the ground of the temple, Jesus can be a analogy of many things, it can be a analogy of life, love, humanity, and of course it may mean the characteristics of Jesus, to help those in need and so on, this may very well be because each part of our "mental temple" has to have a cause for doing something (and if the cause is love and helping other's - in other words, if the cause is non-egoistic, then it can never die, if each part wants to help each other part).

Also, I think love, hope and faith is cornerstones of the temple (love loves love, faith has faith in faith, hope is trickier...hope hopes for hope?, each with it's own reasons, I also think the truth is the truth in itself, for example, belief is a belief and so on...).


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Votorx:I agree with the meaning thing. Of course everything has a meaning or else it wouldn't exist, but at the sametime does this meaning have any use to the universe in general? U say the meaning in life is to have knowledge of the meaning of everything in the universe and live forever? Now i believe there is huge flaw here but i have trouble putting it into words. You say everything has meaning to it and if that meaning was taken away then the universe would have to readjust itself to compesate for that loss. If someone finds a meaning to everything, including their own meaning, accept it then they will live forever. But what about death? according to your own theory everything has a meaning this must inlcude death, fatal diseases/illnesses, epidemics, gunshot wounds, drowning, and all the other infinite possiblities of dying. If this is true then to know the meaning of death would be to accept it, thus you can never really live forever for you can never know the meaning of everything.

But...BUT once we die i believe we will learn the meaning of death. Thus, then we can truly achieve everlasting life after we die. I believe this molds into the theory of salvation and by learning the meaning of everything once we die will allow us to have everlasting life in heaven or whatever u want to call it.

Ha. What if hell is actually trying to understand the meaning of everything? The once we do learn this only then can we truly be happy once we die, which would be our heaven.You asked 'what about death?' - and what meaning has suffering -including gunshot wounds, drowning, diseases, epidemics etc.?

What about death?
Death has little meaning, the bible say that God will destroy death in the end (talks about it like it will be some kind of fight). I guess death never had any meaning, but that God allowed it to exist because we need a way out of this existance, into another. The bible also talks about the 'second death', and I guess that's the same as stop existing (but I'm not sure, just a interpretation).

The bible also say that in the last days people will want death but death will escape them.

It's hard to explain why gunshot wounds are meaningful, but the bible say that the way you die is mostly because of the way you lived (live by the sword, die by the sword reasoning).

However, the death and/or suffering of a child is much, much harder to explain, but mankind's evil is also hard to explain. If the child dies from epidemics and natural causes then it may be that it's reason was for another time and that the suffering before death had to be, maybe because of it's purpouse later on, or because it had to have contrasts as to appreciate the relief of death, or...well...there's probably alot of other possibilities as well, I think the one's I mentioned are reasonable though.

We may not have to know the complete meaning of everything consciously (cause not everyone likes the same things), but the unconsciously the brain has looked for meaning all your life, it's up to you to put yourself in situations that you can learn from (that's the secret of change, if you want to change something then put yourself in the situations that you think will lead to that change - also try to find new experiances, create good memories, or to put it simple, live life).

The meaning of everything, may or may not, have any use in the physical universe, but I think it has use where it is meaningful to have use - where it has the greatest reason to be.

Hell - meaning the fire of suffering, is because our sins (which did not go away with water - the sufferings of life) must now be "burnt" away, this (I believe) is all analogies, life being water and hell being fire, I don't believe that there will be a actual fire, but that the feelings of suffering (probably because of your own sins) will be so profound that it's felt almost like fire, like mental fire if you want, fear, anxiety, "don't take my soul"-kind of fire.

Cyperium,
I think it worth saying that the universe is essentially a positive "thing". Even what we percieve as negative or evil is still part of the overall positivity.

I used to say that if the universe was negative then it would cease to exist, we wouldn't have made it out of the caves.

I still do.

We often search for the meaning of suffering and catastrophy, and yet we sometimes forget to search for the meaning of beauty and love.

One thng I have observed and have no doubt about is that the universe wastes nothing. every energy, every emotion , every bit of suffering and joy, nothing is ever wasted. IN some ways the laws of conservation ( physics) apply. In that every time you smile or cry it has ongoing value to the universe.

Quite often humanity's role in the universe existance is severely underestimated. WE think that we are so insignificant to the overall picture but this I know with all my being that we aren't insignificant. We may not know the answers to all the religious questions, we may not know the answers to the physical questions, we may not know what happens after death and so on but you are correct, we do have purpose and meaning and I know that this meaning will eventually come to light.

I know the above sounds a bit uhmm....ha ....can't think of the word.

We are what we are because we are what we are. We are exactly what we are supposed to be, in all our misery and joy.

I don't think of it in a religious context but in a matter of fact way.

I'm not interested in debating the nature of God or anything like that. To me it is irrelevant. Suffice to say that the universe is a positive place is enough for me and I a wait like everyone else for further insight.

Oh i see. I didn't think you were basing this theory on religion. If that's the case then ur going to have to get away from the bible if you truly want to make your meaning of this theory clear. Im not going to debate on the meaning of god, christianity or any other religion.

I do agree that everything has a meaning i do not agree with your interpretation of religion into this theory.

Cyperium

You might like this.

“Plato described knowledge of the divine as being implicit in every soul, but forgotten. The soul, immortal, experiences direct and intimate contact with the eternal realities prior to birth, but the postnatal human condition of bodily imprisonment causes the soul to forget the true state of affairs. The goal of philosophy is to free the soul from this deluded condition in which it is deceived by the finite imitation and veiling of the eternal. The philosopher’s task is to ‘recollect’ the transcendent ideas, to recover a direct knowledge of the true causes and sources of all things.”

Richard Tarnas, 'The Passion of the Western Mind' Pimlico, London 1996 p10 (Imo one of the best books on philosophy ever)

Originally posted by Cyperium
1: Why systems tends to organize themselves (SOS) without influence from outside the system (the last part may not be completly necessary though), also a "could be"-explanation on how the brain works. The theory is also used as a indication that meaning has a reality beyond the idea. But this is already explained by thermodynamics and other branches of science. For that matter, the theories that already exist allow us to explain such things quantitatively. Your theory doesn't seem to offer any such explanations.

I don't think that's quite true. Complex self-organising systems are still a bit of mystery. Even complexity guru Stuart Kaufman acknowledges that the reasons why biological complexity arises are not clear. It's the basic motivation, the drive towards complex organsisation in biological systems, that remains unexplained.

Thank you for your responce, I like to discuss my ideas as much as possible, cause that's the only way they can be developed further and I'm sure there's more to be found here.


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Quantum Quack:Cyperium,
I think it worth saying that the universe is essentially a positive "thing". Even what we percieve as negative or evil is still part of the overall positivity.I couldn't agree more! Many people judge the whole because a detail seems wrong, but there are meanings that are more or less "hidden" to us because we can't understand it (or maybe we shouldn't understand it right now) and thus they seem meaningless - but they aren't meaningless in the whole, they just seem meaningless to us, when we are meant to see the meaning, then it will become meaningful to us or we have to search for the meaning.

We often search for the meaning of suffering and catastrophy, and yet we sometimes forget to search for the meaning of beauty and love.I know, bad things are because we are illuded that they are (at least from the beginning). Each bad thing is a misunderstanding, a illusion that we made because we misunderstood (or was fooled by) it's original attempt - or because other's misunderstood your original attempt - leaving you with a feeling of doing something bad while you actually didn't mean to in the first place.

Let's say you did something as a child, and to a adults view that was wrong. But you didn't know that, you didn't feel it was wrong, cause you didn't see why. You probably felt that it was right in the situation, and then 5 years later you find that what you did was wrong and thus think you are a bad person because you did those things in the past (allthough you weren't a bad person, your actions were bad) and then you continue that behaviour because you think it's a part of who you are, the difference is that you know now that it is wrong (here is where it becomes bad) - if you had known that it was wrong then you would have tried to change it as a child, but now you don't change it because you've forgotten that you could change it. That it's meant to be changed! Why do something that makes you feel bad? Because it feels good in the moment? But I know it doesn't feel good right before you do it. That's because you still feel the "bad" in what you do, but you override it and do something you aren't supposed to. Maybe it's related to "habit", we do things that we are used to. But it's still wrong and a bad habit can be changed!

Another thing is the misunderstandings of others, others might judge something you do as being wrong, but did you really mean to do something wrong? What you mean is what matters, if you never meant for anything wrong to happen then you can still change, there's allways another behaviour - that is acceptable - that can replace the former behaviour to reflect what you mean in a better way. You must become you, what you mean is who you are - not what you do (but that is to become), try to find the good things to reflect the feeling of what you mean - cause no one is bad - really. Bad things are allways a path away from the truth, if you want to find the truth about yourself then you should find the good things to do what you do.

-that's what I believe anyway-


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Votorx:Oh i see. I didn't think you were basing this theory on religion. If that's the case then ur going to have to get away from the bible if you truly want to make your meaning of this theory clear. Im not going to debate on the meaning of god, christianity or any other religion.

I do agree that everything has a meaning i do not agree with your interpretation of religion into this theory.I'm not basing this theory on religion, I'm basing this theory on what I believe is the truth of how things work.

My meaning of this theory can be seen even though you don't believe in religion, but to answer a religious question requires a religious standpoint. If you are a atheist then I will answer the questions your way (or at least I will try to).


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Canute:Cyperium

You might like this.

“Plato described knowledge of the divine as being implicit in every soul, but forgotten. The soul, immortal, experiences direct and intimate contact with the eternal realities prior to birth, but the postnatal human condition of bodily imprisonment causes the soul to forget the true state of affairs. The goal of philosophy is to free the soul from this deluded condition in which it is deceived by the finite imitation and veiling of the eternal. The philosopher’s task is to ‘recollect’ the transcendent ideas, to recover a direct knowledge of the true causes and sources of all things.”

Richard Tarnas, 'The Passion of the Western Mind' Pimlico, London 1996 p10 (Imo one of the best books on philosophy ever)I liked it very much :), I also think that the soul get's confused by all the different interpretations that people have (the soul which is used to one truth) and the different interpretations within the body (that everything must be dual and so on...), and that the soul tries to stick to the original truth but is...well in some sense divided through the different truths, and now has to find the best interpretation of each one.

When I think about it this way, it seems that the soul really didn't want to be in a body in the first place, but was somehow caught into the body by the brain.


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Nasor:But this is already explained by thermodynamics and other branches of science. For that matter, the theories that already exist allow us to explain such things quantitatively. Your theory doesn't seem to offer any such explanations.It doesn't explain how it works (I get the feeling that it's some kind of tension though) it explains why it happens in the first place. Thermodynamics is much about balance, and this is what my theory is about also, that if the balance in the whole meaning is lost then it compensates for the loss to achieve balance again. But the bit that was lost now has a balance that is TOTALLY out. So it has to compensate even more to achieve the same meaning (so that each balance match and it can become a part of the big meaning again), so why was the balance lost for the small part in the first place? Maybe because it wasn't a perfect part of the total meaning and it had to, to become perfect - or some parts maybe never was a part of the total meaning but were a "would-be" part, each part has it's time and place to achieve it's purpouse.

Maybe I missed something earlier on but can you explain to me why you refer to this theory as "Mirror Theory"?

It's because the lesser meaning tries to mimic the bigger. Thus the smaller part becomes the bigger parts equivalent (allthough they don't look the same, they reflect eachothers meaning). Thus the meaning of the bigger part can be more clearly seen in the smaller one. But the smaller one will allways be less complete than the bigger meaning unless it becomes a part of it (and since the part is taken away from a specific point, then each smaller part will allways show a different angle of the truth - the bigger meaning (which in itself isn't complete without the smaller meaning - but is complete in a way - since it was meant to happen). I understand why this may not be all that clear, but it isn't because it's wrong, it's because I explain it badly.

(actually they look the same also...but since one of them is smaller the "look" looks different, you could say they look the same in meaning - when they are equivalent).

Could the "smaller meaning" be synonymous with "man" and the bigger meaning synonymous with "God" or am I looking too deeply?

No you aren't looking too deeply. Man is made as a reflection of God. Why would the bible state that if everyone looks different?

In my view it's because each of us is a different angle of the truth, maybe not physically, but mentally - or maybe both.

When we were children we felt more strongly connected with eachother, but then each of us started to walk at a different angle from eachother, it's because we all began from a common truth, but then each one had to find their own way to reflect that truth. God is in the beginning and the end, birth and death - or truth and truth, the middle is our way and we better be true to ourselves (and to the best ability to others) so we don't get lost.

But there's allways hope, God's sight stretches through infinity, God see both dark and light and follow both good and evil.

That's what I believe.

There's a religious explanation and a physical explanation for everything, if the physical is the surface of an egg, then meaning is what is within or the "truth". Physical science is only scratching the surface, literally.

I have just pasted a copy with ammendments just to see how it looks and I must admit I like the thinking. ( without being religious about it ) The word or title "God" could very easilly be "Universe"


It's because "man" tries to mimic God. Thus the "man" becomes "God's" equivalent (allthough they don't look the same, they reflect each others meaning). Thus the meaning of "God" can be more clearly seen in "man". But "man" will allways be less complete than "God" unless it becomes a part of it (and since the part is taken away from a specific point, then "Man" will allways show a different angle of the truth - "God" (which in itself isn't complete without "man"

Looked pretty profound when I look at it that way :)

Ha .......profound it is:)

Hehe, I guess there were more to it than I first saw :) but isn't everything?

ok, that was weird...

or maybe profound if we think of it as a arrow.

I guess some things happen that has meaning, allthough you didn't mean to, or it get's processed in a unconscious part of the brain somehow...but from what I've seen throughout my life (I don't lie) there's some kind of meaning to everything. Even though it's realized afterwards.

I feel that if you put it up on the wall, your mirror theory, and have a bit of a think about it you'll grasp your inspiration more thouroughly.

Inspiration is a funny thing. When it happens the idea is usually quite complete but immediately our minds try to fully understand it in it's completeness as it sinks in....and into the future we go attempting to incorporate the inspiration ( meaning...ahhh that word again) into our lives.

It's a bit like the initial inspiration is a Zip file and we spend the future unpacking it

Personally I think it is quite complete, just the ramifications are yet to prevail fully.

So my advise is to hang on to your seat and enjoy the ride.

I guess you are right, inspiration is amongst the greatest feelings one can have, cause you can do so much while having it. When we are inspired then we can allmost do the impossible (or so it seems). Now I'm late for class, but I'll be on the forums later on.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Cyperium
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My meaning of this theory can be seen even though you don't believe in religion, but to answer a religious question requires a religious standpoint. If you are a atheist then I will answer the questions your way (or at least I will try to).
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I don't understand. If you're not basing this theory on religion then why did you answer my previous question by interpreting the bible?

I haven't been able to follow your posts and unfortunetly i don't have the time to read all of what u and quantum have said. Can you give me a quick summary or your theory again, and any changes that may have occured in your theory?

I don't understand. If you're not basing this theory on religion then why did you answer my previous question by interpreting the bible?When it comes to questions like the meaning of death, then it becomes religious. The physical non-religious explanation may be that the meaning of death is to give room for life - if you want that kind of answer, but that's just a piece of the meaning, and is only true in certain conditions.

For example:

Why don't we live forever in our physical form? At least we don't need the process that actually kills us. Why did evolution make that one?

So if it is to make room for life then why would that be needed? When there aren't any room, the individuals that doesn't fit would die anyway.

So I guess it is because life needs food, and if we lived forever then all food would be consumed, we would destroy all life and then we would destroy ourselves because there's no food left (since food is life).

So death is also for life in general to continue.

It is somehow constructed so that everyone will have a chance to live. If we take away life of one creature then we take away food for another. So evolution is (and must be by principle) developing in a meaningful way, a way where each part depends on eachother, and as with the small meaning and big meaning, if you take away one life then there has to be change to compensate for the loss - since as I said before, then you take away food for another life, and that other life needs to adapt to find a new source for food, since the big meaning (life in general) doesn't have such great need for the "other life", the "other life" must develop much more to fit in "life in general", while "life in general" mustn't change that much to compensate for the loss of the "other life".

There is a kind of harmony in nature, that everything depends on everything else.

The theory is based on simple principles, and if we go deeper, they have - in my view - a religious cause, but the theory as it is now isn't based on religion but based on the same thing that everything seems to follow; balance (and I'm sure there are other basic principles also that it is based on).

I think that everything is constructed in such a way that it searches for meaning naturally (without the need for being conscious), but when enough meaning is achieved (as with humans) something becomes conscious, which previously were not.

However, it is my belief that nothing is completly unaware.

haven't been able to follow your posts and unfortunetly i don't have the time to read all of what u and quantum have said. Can you give me a quick summary or your theory again, and any changes that may have occured in your theory?There haven't been that much change in my theory but I can make a quick summary of what my theory is, and maybe in the process explain it from a different viewpoint.

Making a summary is somewhat what this theory is about, sure I can write a entire book on this subject to describe every single word I use and every little principle of the theory, but some meanings I assume that you know and mustn't be described, therefor I would have to go through alot of trouble writing a entire book to describe something that is obvious and what you allready know.

Instead I write the theory, using familiar words (that doesn't need to be described all that much) and familiar concepts (like balance and other concepts that we learn by just living) and write the meaning of the theory (what I want expressed).

If I take away a part of my theory, then to get my meaning through, the rest of the theory must be changed also to reflect the same meaning. If the part is to reflect the meaning of my entire theory, then that part has to change RADICALLY, and maybe describe my theory using only a few words (and these words better be very meaningful).


Now this is of course only analogies (everything is you know), the real meaning isn't made by words or letters, but still it is in some way symbolic (I think).

I hope that explains it to you.

Ok so it hasn't changed to much from when u originally post. Now you say everything has a meaning and i agree with you 100%. But how is this going to effect us in any way? How does this contribute to the meaning of life?

Ok so it hasn't changed to much from when u originally post. Now you say everything has a meaning and i agree with you 100%. But how is this going to effect us in any way? How does this contribute to the meaning of life?I assume you mean "how will the knowledge of meaning effect us?", cause meaning itself effects everything.

When you look at things with a open mind and really look for the meaning of why things happen, then you know what comes next (more or less), what to expect and you can be more prepared for situations in life. You must be careful what you base things on though, there's alot of people out there that draw faulty conclusions about things they really know nothing about. If you can't figure something out, and you can't know something, then it doesn't belong to "knowledge" - this is obvious, but where does it belong to?

What you expect is what you'll find. We allways have a "filter" in front of us, that changes our perception of things, so if you want to make someone look bad, then you will succeed (eventually) - you will find the things that makes him look bad. But what if he really isn't bad? Then you've walked away from the truth, so how you look at things and how you judge people will allways come back to you, what you do to other's will be done to you. If you manipulate other's then you manipulate yourself (cause believe it or not, but everyone you meet, every friend is a part of you - and that part of you are based on how you look at the person).

The truth is one and fixed, so when you try to bend it then you bend yourself, if you try to twist it then you twist yourself, if you turn it then you turn yourself - away from the truth. The truth is. Thus the truth is reflecting ourselves.

Belief is our primary weapon, cause belief can change, you can choose what to believe, and allways try to believe in what seems true to you, cause if you do it honestly, then the truth will come to you, since belief chooses what to believe in (allthough, you have to give it options).

You really don't have to do that much, the brain is so complex and knows so much, but what you have to do, is ask questions so the brain knows what to look for. The question is the answer to all your questions.

So how does it effect us? It effects the way we look at things, and maybe it can lead us to a better life - or at least lead us to a understanding of what our life is about, so we can fulfill our meaning - do what we think is meaningful (if you think you do that right now, then you'll find that there are things that suits you even better, so finding meaning is to find your place in life).

We wear masks. The mask tells you what you are, what role you should play, that mask can be changed so it better reflects what you want to do, what you really find meaningful. Children tests different situations and different roles constantly to try to find what's the best for them, why did we stop doing that? Why didn't we walk the path we begun? Everything is a constant change, I can't say what your meaning of life is. Cause then only one person had to find the meaning of life and everyone would know that, it would become a important step of our childhood. If there were such a knowledge that suits everyone, then it would have been found long ago, but it hasn't which tells us that each one have to walk their own path, instead of teaching the meaning of life to us, we teach the way to find the meaning of life. Cause everyone needs different things, everyone has their own reason of being in life.